Looking back, were we too harsh to DmC?

>>386579726
No it was garbage and your a retard.

I'd imagine a kid that looked like that would get his ass beat as soon as he went to county IRL.

>>386579818
>implying you were even here when dmc shitposting was a thing

Yeah but the dev/publisher brought it on themselves and the game /was/ trying too hard to be cool.

>>386579726
No, it deserved even worse.

>>386579726
Plays better than Automata, and the story is actually less obnoxious somehow.

>>386579726
No. It was worse than God of War.

Story was atricious, models were bad, game was casualized, mechanics was completely rehashed and perfectly good engine was replaced by UE. And this story happens again with MvCI

>>386579726
Go the fuck away Jim Sterling.

>>386579726
Fuck off Tameem

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FUCK

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YOU

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>>386580045
Been here atleast 10yrs

Dump faster

>>386579726
if anything we weren't harsh enough.
remember how much they directly insulted old DMC fans?

>>386579726
>shit all over the franchise you're rebooting and it's fans
>play the victim when the fans respond back in kind
>release a game inferior in every regard to the previous ones
Hell no, they deserved it and I'm glad ninja theory has been reduced to shit budget games they have to make shit up about to get any attention, fuck them

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Remember when DmC was so bad that tameem shaved his head and changed his name?

Good times

>>386579726
Solid gameplay, music and level design.
Shitty everything else.

>>386581260
>gameplay
>music

i'll give you level design.

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>>386579726
Fuck you.

Why did journalists suck this game's dick so hard?

>>386581305
Okay, maybe the music leaned towards average techno, but what do you find so radically different about the gameplay in contrast to the other games?

>>386581928
No lock on for one. Color coded enemies for another. Limited movesets for a third.

>>386581198
to be fair if I was called tameem I would change my name regardless, it's pajeet tier

>>386581564
jesus chirst, what an epic ride it was to follow the development of this game

>>386581928
You're fucking joking? The only thing they have in common is that they both belong to beat'em up genre.

>DMC style system is way different from DmC one
>DMC has no weapon-coded enemies, DmC does
>DMC is way more diffilcut than DmC

>>386579726
what is the emo faggotry of a picture
>YOU CANT CONTROL ME DAD
fucking hell i am laughing

>>386579889
>ever stepping out of capital cities
it's your fault anon for getting beat up anon, you can look like that in any first world city and you'll be fine, don't need to be a bearded trucker anywhere but hillbilly USA

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And Capcom never learned from their fuck-up if DR4 is anything to go by.

>demons masquerading as bankers and ceos

very redpill why do we hate this again?

>>386581715
Why do the journalists and FGC suck MvCI's dick so hard?

The answers are the same. Money and promises.

>>386582389
So GG did nothing basically, journalists are still scum that are easily bribed/swayed.

>>386582389
The FGC doesnt seem hype for that game though.

>>386582381
All Tameem did was rip off They Live

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it felt like a generic third person shooter, I didn't felt like replaying it more than once.

>>386579726
In retrospective, DmC was probably one of the best slasher games i've ever played. The story made sense for once and was kind of fun, edgy and obviously not to be taken seriously but still had actual plot, kind of like the Evil Dead trilogy.

The gameplay felt so fresh and new, i was so glad we got rid of those archaic bullshitty RE-scraps mechanics of ye old DMC.
The music was another thing entirely, it sounded awesome, Noisia and Combichrist did a really good job and it fit the game very well.

One thing i'd say is that obviously the original design they unveiled at E3 that prompted all the hate because "hurr durr how could dante ever smoke" was much much better than what they went with in the end, it's kind of a shame that shit-com pressured Ninja Theory to abandon their vision to appeal the fans and ended up doing neither their vision not appealing any fans and overall giving the game a bad rep which in turn caused the low sales.

>>386580045
It was garbage then, and it's still garbage now

i fucking LOVED DmC. i legitimately find the writing, graphics, "edge," and story interesting.. the environments are well done as well.. the "color coded" combat sucked, but other than that the combat felt good. i have played all the other DMCs too, but DmC is right up there with DMC4 for me.

>>386582686
Which Reddit thread did you copy this from?

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I've spent over 90 hours on this game and I feel it deserved all the hate it got. It was a disappointment in all aspect, nobody asked for this honestly.
>when you look at some of the concept art
It could've been worse.

>>386582686
The story was obviously meant to be taken seriously, not sure what you're on about.

>>386579726
That limbo dimensional fuckery was top tier, shame everything else

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>>386579726

i miss dmc shitposting

>>386579726
DMC3 > DMC4 > DmC > DMC1 > DMC2

>>386582780
>hurr they have a different opinion from me...i know....i'll just call them le roddet boogeyman!
>>386582791
Play the game again, i was confused up until Virgil shot that bitch with the baby and then it was obvious that this was all a cheesy ride with demons and shit and wasn't supposed to be serious.

>>386582579
By "FGC" I've meant "pros", sorry. Also FGC is full of Capcom shills right now.

DmC=DMC 2 > DMC4 = DMC 3 >>>>>>>>>>> DMC

>>386582960
You mistook the most serious part of the game for a joke

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>>386583043
did you get your meme arrows backwards?

>>386579818
you're

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LOL

>>386579726
Always hated this promotional art. Dante being arrested by fucking police should've been a big enough warning sign that Team Ninja had no idea what the fuck DMC actually was.

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>>386581564
>VORJILSAURUS

evry tim

>>386580293
With any luck once monster hunter world is out all capcom's new games will use that engine instead to maybe save us from shitty looking UE4 games from jap developers.

>>386583383
DANTE I CAN'T REACH MY HAT

>never played this game
>been watching some bloody palace on youtube
this seriously looks fun desu whats the catch

>>386583386
how do these absolute retards end up in vidya development? doesn't the western industry have any standards at all

>>386583457

the catch is its worse than all previous entries in the series except maybe dmc2

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>>386582529
>that last line
>developers shouldn't listen to criticism from the people they want to but their games
really roasts my chestnuts

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>>386583657
The sad part is is that it's still the best western made action game.

The game's still better than DMC2.
Prove me wrong.
You can't.

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>>386583383
It was a magical time.

Do i need to play other DMC's to play DmC?
I tried to play the first one but the Nightmare blob thingy was literally impossible.

>>386583862
DMC2 is so bad it starts being funny, DmC never gets there

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>>386583998

>>386583862
DMC2 is still better, for visual design

>>386583386
i pretty much agree with this
>>386583328
they have every idea of what DMC is.
But they weren't making DMC, they were making DmC.
How can you be so fucking thick? It's a different game, a re-imagining. Like Silent Hill and Silent Hill Shattered Memories, a re-imagining of the same game in a totally different style both of which work very well

>>386583981
>the Nightmare blob thingy was literally impossible.
Git gud. But no, you don't need to play the ones before, it's a reboot, though I'd recommend that you do. I suggest you start with dmc3.

>>386579818
No.

>>386583981
If you want to see what kinds of things they ruined, yes

>>386583043
It couldn't be more obvious bait.

>>386583457
You know what's fun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY92XAtuMlQ

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DmC threads make me feel nistalgic.

>>386584082
Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX01OGzMjRg

>>386583386
>dante is not: a weeaboo faggot
>he is: a western faggot
ah yes, I see

>>386584173
This isn't a re-imagining, it's them thinking they're better than DMC and failing miserably

>Dinosaur Vergil

>downloaded this free from ps+ years ago
>finally get around to playing it
>triggers aren't the gun buttons
nope, meme game confirmed

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>>386583383

Those threads were beautiful. The only other fun thing about DmC was the mexican voiceover and subsequent edits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKHxbOg19s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc

>>386582686
Shit taste and confirmed for being a casual reditor.

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>I trust Capcom to DMC5 a good gam-

>DmC is FOUR (3) years old

>>386583195
>NT focused all their attention to the visuals at the expense of gameplay but struggled to understand one of the most basic principles of animation that Disney figured out a century ago
whoa...

>>386584727
it's a re-imagining. it's them thinking they're different than DmC and should try something new and being very successful at that.
>>386584961
Shit taste and confirmed for being a casual redditor.
???

>>386584967
>MvCI - Rocket Raccoon is able to shoot from Ebony and Ivory which aren't ordinary guns, they actually channel demonic energy from the user
This is how you can tell that NO ONE in MvCI's team cares about Dante

What was so bad about DMC 2 anyway, besides Dante being all serious and shit?

>>386583859
GoW2 is the best western action game. At least there the enemies have a chance to kill you and Kratos has some neat tools in his moveset

>>386585194
>cant even into meme arrows
KYS, new fag.

WHERE IS CAPCOM'S PERFECT 8TH GEN AAA DANTE MODEL!?

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>>386585307
I'm obviously referring to cuhrayzee, hack and slash, character action or whatever you want to call them to which I would say DmC is the best one a western developer has made.

>>386579889
except you can afford to be a huge faggot when you basically have superpowers

>>386581715
It was singicantly easier and let you do flashy shit to easily, to reviewers that never played real dmc beyond a single playthrough on normal which is barley playing the fucking game at most it was a huge improvement because it was a cinematic experience game with a hack and slash flavor.

>>386585285
this webm is not a joke >>386584082 and is the ideal way to fight that boss if you don't want to take any damage. What it's missing though is the tank fight that is literally impossible to get hurt in, and the helicopter boss that is just a complete train wreck of an idea, not to mention the brain dead combat against mobs and the awful OC BADASS FEMALE side character with an equally awful story.

>>386584484
>dmc had bad gameplay
https://youtu.be/7x5FGaI1fVc?t=39

>>386584927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxi3fhRmFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSgQzIs3Zk
There was also a SSShekspirian redub of the succubus scene, but I can't find it.
>>386584967
>the pants are red
>>386585007
>DMC4SE came out almost 2 years ago.

How's the new game

>>386585749
Now do that in a group of enemies who can't be hurt by half the moveset

>>386585363
what? i didn't use any meme arrows in my post you absolute mongoloid

>>386579726
I chastized the fuck out of it and its the worst like/dislike ratio on my shitty youtube channel.

Its a garbage game that redditors love for some reason.

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>>386585984
Pretty good.

It casualized the series, changed the character drastically and then they told anyone who didn't like it to fuck off, and took its own plot way too seriously considering the hilarious bullshit therein.

>>386585997
The definitive edition fixed the color coded enemies. It's not on PC though for some reason

>>386586315
Ninja Theory literally can't do anything right.

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>>386579726
I have not played DMC.
But for the few things I have seeing in cinematics and trying to deduce common sense.

This DMC Donte is suppose to start like an asshole that care about nothing and thinks is to cool for everybody, but then learn and mature so at the end of the game isnt the same kind of asshole he was at the start...
...
But I doubt he would turn into a likable asshole if the game have just one game in the series.

>>386586315
Probably because no one bought it, never heard or seen anyone care about it, same for the original though

>>386585285
Horrible and shallow level design
Uninspired enemies
Gameplay worse then the previous game
Poor execution of the almost non existent story.
Lucia's voice actress.
Underwhelming villain.
I could go on...

To top it off, the game was even worse before the director of DMC3 and 4 stepped in the last few months of the development.

>>386585448
Yeah, those are called action games. And I'm telling you that GoW2 is better than DmC. It's more cohesively designed, it's more well-constructed and polished, it's more challenging, it has much better enemy and level design, and it gives the player more interesting moves to play around with. GoW isn't amazing in these regards by any stretch, but it's at least competently put together, whereas DmC is seriously flawed and completely self-defeating in the sense that, for every good point you could find in it, there's something else in the game that runs in total opposition to it and ruins what fun could be had.

>>386579726
That was the point when I stopped listening entirely to vidya reviews. I used to live by what EGM and IGN and other review places would rate game when I was growing up, but then actually playing that game I was wondering what in the fuck they were smoking, and seeing how they just shit all over the fans of the series left a sour taste in my mouth. I still haven't bought anything from Capcom since that shit dropped.

>>386586315
The only way to "fix" the color-coded enemies would be to remove them entirely. The DE just put a band-aid over the issue by making it so that at least you don't go staggering backwards if you happen to his the "wrong" enemy.

>>386586561
Indeed, though it wouldn't surprise me that it was Capcoms decision. That company is just baffling and seem allergic to money and success
>>386586921
You just do more damage if you hit them with the "correct" weapon. At least that's what it says in the changelog
http://www.capcom-unity.com/gregaman/go/document/download/d0526eeff7499beb0202f6fde35edb89

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It was a great game and the ass-rage from the CUHRAYZEE cringe faggots on here was enough to make me buy it for PS3 and remastered on PS4 then again on PC.

I still like to search Twitter for DmC and see a shitload of faggots with anime avatars crying about "le based pizza uncle dante bawww f-fuck you tameem"

>>386579726
Why would you even look back in the first place?

>>386579726
No. It got far too many high review scores so it needed serious criticism. Very strangely liked game. Like Brad Shoemaker saying he'll play anything from ninja theory after DmC. That's retardedly high praise for what was at first a 30fps low-grade character action.

Probably didn't make enough of a fuss because Hellblade looks like high garbage and it is getting good reviews as well.

>>386583440
The only good looking UE4 JP games at the moment are Kingdom Hearts 3 and DQ11, and even then KH3 looked really rough for a good while after they switched over from Luminous which still looked better

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>>386587185
How much did it sell again?

>>386587176
>You just do more damage if you hit them with the "correct" weapon.
You also don't inflict any hitstun if you don't use the correct weapon, so if you want to do combos at all you're still limited to just the red/blue weapon types.

>>386587185
don't fall for it

>>386582339
Yeah, all those inclusive, non-violent niggers would never harm a hair on his pretty little head.

>>386579726
Only if people were saying it was the worst game in the series. It's definitely mediocre but the worst still remains 2.

>try to give Definitive Edition a chance
>hear it claims to fix all the problems of the orginal
>sure it has a lock on and you can do the normal input for Stinger
>still has the color coded enemy variety and claims that you dont need to use the Axe or Scythe to kill those enemies
>in reality Rebellion does less damage and zero hit stun

It fucking sucks

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>>386587370

>>386579889
They probably wouldn't let him smoke doobies during the photoshoot either.

god I miss 2011, I want to go back

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>>386580230
There couldn't be a less wrong statement made about this game

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I miss the DMC threads, they were fucking gold.

It was alright but nothing beyond that. It honestly felt like a different genetic game with a DMC label slapped on. It had some neat ideas (level design, angel/devil weapons) but it felt disjointed. Seriously, it felt like the level designers, monster designers, character designers and writers lived in separate realities because nothing seemed to work with anything. Why are the demons weirdo fucking dolls or wolves if they're going for "They Live"? Why is the final boss some dude in a suit if you're going for transforming, psychodelic levels?

The lack of lock-on, the average story and many other faults made this game even less enjoyable than it could be, really. It's not "OMG WORST GAME EVER REEEE" like some people think but it did put an end to DMC for a while because Capcom didn't think it through. And it's a shame because I really enjoyed DMC4 and would love to see DMC5.

Maybe they'll learn. But they're a Japanese company so I highly doubt it.

>>386579726
No. If you want to make a mediocre action game that's cool. But don't name it after arguably the greatest action game franchise of all time (I said arguably NG fans, I like NG too).

>>386583928
anon.....i really didnt want to piss myself today...

>>386579726
>Looking back, were we too harsh to DmC?

Nope. It deserved all the hate it got, NT shill.

>>386587607
Also some special actions for weapons like high-time still required a dedicated button.
>>386587908
I agree with you anon, it's a mediocre game that tried to be DMC, but fell short.
>Maybe they'll learn
Considering the quality of DMC4SE and MvCI, I'm not sure if I want a new DMC game

>>386588327
>Considering the quality of DMC4SE

Wait it was bad? I didn't play it but what exactly went wrong there, I was looking to pick it up at some point.

Also now that I think of it, what was with that weird period of Japanese companies outsourcing their games to weird western devs? Capcom did it with DMC and Konami did it with Silent Hill and it ended up being shit. You'd think they'd find better people to do it but apparently they wanted to get it done on the cheap. I bet it was to expand their market to the west but instead they got burned and will probably keep from doing this in the future. Which is a shame, I bet there are SOME potential dev/game-series matchups that could work.

>>386579726
No, it really is shit and unworthy of the brand name. Even the HD version with lock-on is awful, it's just not a good game.

>>386582653
>Literally the exact same thing except one is flashier than the other.
They even take the same time from start to finish.

>>386588757
>Also now that I think of it, what was with that weird period of Japanese companies outsourcing their games to weird western devs?

They fell for the "we want the X audience while still tricking the current fans into buying it" meme.
Every single time a series tries to change it up for no reason beyond change just to appeal to a different market that never cared for the series to begin with, the result is a trainwreck that appeals to nobody.

>>386588997
>left shows more personality and has better motion
>right is bland and just one slow motion
"literally the exact same"

>>386588757
It was less bad but more that they were adding more playable characters when two playable characters for the same ten levels was already getting old. Now you have 5 people going through the same levels, fighting the same stuff.

>>386588997
You don't understand action games or what makes a good animation vs a bad animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vCko6V4pQ

That video is short to the point and is a great starting point.

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>>386588757
https://www.polygon.com/2013/4/3/4181120/keiji-inafune-says-japanese-developers-need-to-learn-from-overseas

>>386589121

Yeah I guess that's pretty much it. And you know what's the worst thing? I felt like with the addition of Nero and some other changes the 'mainline' DMC seires was actually heading into a place where they'd come up with some new stuff.

But instead we got...a game that tries to be 'realistic' with "Demons are ENSLAVING us...with DEBT and JUNK FOOD", while the next minute you're jumping through floating landscapes and shooting baby angel-demons. It was a mess.

If it wasn't DMC related it would just be a mediocre action game with really bad writing, forgotten within a week of launch.

>>386589279
Ah I see. That kind of sucks but I guess that's what I expected when I heard 'new characters'. Are they fun to play at least?

>>386589281
Considering with what happened with Mighty No.9 I'm not sure if I want to take anything from his mouth seriously.

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>>386588757
Nah it wasn't bad really, but it had this "bootleg" feel to it, like something they quickly patched up on a low budget which was probably the case, just look at Vergil's design when compared to his dmc3 look.
I mean it's fine, but something's off. I had the same sensation from his intro sequence as well, it was a cool cutscene, but it lacked something.
Also production was outsourced to some jap studio which resulted in the pc port being lackluster with bugs that are also in console versions.
The lady's voice actress change was also disappointing, I guess the couldn't pay the original one.
It just shows how small the funding was.

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>>386579818
>no one replied Fuck You yet

>>386588757
>what exactly went wrong there
DMC4's biggest problem was always the repeated use of enemies, levels, and bosses. Dante and Nero are both fun to play as but going through the same levels fighting the same monsters over and over again gets stale. SE, rather than addressing this, just adds more characters to play as, meaning that you have to go through those same levels several times more now. It's understandable why it's like that, since SE had basically no budget and cobbling new characters together from pieces of previous games was probably the cheapest way they could add new meaningful content that fans would enjoy, but it really drives home just little content there is for you to use all those awesome mechanics on.

Also, the new characters just generally aren't very well-balanced for the enemies. They can be fun to play as, but they're also pretty overpowered with very little effort from the player, and sometimes they even feel like they'd fit more in a Musou game than a DMC game. Trish even has some moves from Sengoku Basara if I'm not mistaken.

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>>386579726
Is there a reason you're making this thread while Tameems new game has just come out, OP?

no is not an answer

>>386589602
>>386589794

Okay thanks for the input. I'll give it another look but as it stands I'll probably push it later on my list. It's a shame I actually looked forward to seeing what they did with new charaters.

>>386589794
It is a shame, but ultimately it was a pretty good end result. It was obviously a budget title, but they worked well with what they had and achieved the main objective: show Capcom there is still demand for games on the same style as the previous DMCs.

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>>386581198

>>386590008
Don't let our complaints stop you anon, the new characters are still fun to play with and new costumes are a good addition.
But it's a bit underwhelming for a special edition of a 7 years old game. Hell there isn't even any new enemies.

On an unrelated note,I wish there was a scan of the 3,1,4,2 Graphic Arts artbook that came out with english translation.
There are some very interesting things to read there from what I gathered.

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the best thing that came out of that pile of shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc

>>386579726
I'm thinking people weren't harsh enough. You still see retards once in a while making the "brave" proclamation that they liked the game, fishing for all the braindead morons who agree to give them a pat on the back for enjoying utter garbage.

>>386579726
dante looks like a twink that gets pounded to hard

>>386582773
>i have played all the other DMCs too
Sure you have Tamtam.

>>386591927
Too bad all the downloads for that are dead

>>386585281
Meh, that was always seemed like Kamiya's own half-assed excuse for infinite ammo ("It's magic, now quit tweeting me nerds"). Most stuff I've read in-game or in art books don't say anything about it, and it's not like Rocket's doing Charge Shots with E&I somehow.

>>386579726
If anything we weren't harsh enough

>>386592552
so did the original.

>>386581564
Y'know all these recaps miss the one point that I think actually fucking solidified Ninja Theory as twats and the permanent hostility between them and the DMC fanbase.

TamTam went on a tantrum blaming the Devil May Cry fanbase for causing the poor sales of Enslaved. Not that Enslaved was in any sense a critical darling that they were smashing in user reviews. Nor as if they were the target audience and failing to buy the game. But that they were 'stopping the game sales' like they were standing in front of the display shelves at GAME and slapping it out of the hands of people before they could get it to the register.

From then on he was convinced he was the victim of the mean mean fanbase.

>>386594715
>TamTam went on a tantrum blaming the Devil May Cry fanbase for causing the poor sales of Enslaved
Lmao I never saw this one. He's quite the mental gymnast. I also can't get over how he was called the 'Saviour' of DMC when the Saviour in DMC4 was a weapons-grade bullshitter. It was too fitting.