>Game is getting absolutely positively glowing previews >AM2R

>>386548505
>Why
Poorfags.

>>386548505
We can't win with Metroid fags
If they don't get a new game, they bitch and complain about how Nintendo forgot about them
If they get a new game, the majority shits on it and says it's not what they want
It's a neverending cycle of hell

Is there a more divided fan base?

they are clinging on to the little relevance their shitty romhack has left

>>386548745
Fire Emblem. There's even sparks of internal debates within IS over the franchise. Too much old and new blood mixing.

>>386548745

2D vs Primefags was bad enough, now anti-corproate AM2R fags are thrown into the mix as well. I almost hope Nintendo kills the franchise at this point.

Why can't people be happy that there are now three distinctly different versions of the same game, and Metroid as a series has been revived, with yet another game coming after this one?

Free "fan games" drive people insane, it happens all the time.

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>Game series gets a revival
>Fanbase of game series quickly reminds us all that they're terrible people who didn't deserve this good thing to happen to them
Who else besides Metroid fans?

Megaman fans complaining that the series is dead when the core megaman series alone has 10 fucking entries comes to mind instantly. But Megaman hasn't made a comeback so it doesn't totally work.

>>386548505
Because a lot of AM2R fans are retards that hate Nintendo so much that they refuse to believe they can release a good 2D Metroid game.

>>386548505
Metroidfags just like to bitch and moan and wallow in their own suffering. They don't really care about having a good game, they just want to "stick it to Nintendo" for """""Nintendo betraying them""""". The series got one bad game way back when and then suddenly that means the series can only have bad games for the rest of time, and that Nintendo is worse than Konami. Like, how does one fanbase get TWO games, (two mainline games to be exact) announced for E3 and still bitch about both of them?

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>>386548505
Metroid fan here. When /v/ shilling a game so much to the point where they unironically start citing critics, there's a red flag and a half somewhere. Try as you might, but I'm not buying this game. I rather the series finally die off than rehash old games.

>>386550072
Mega Man is a weird example, because a lot of its sub-series have their own separate fandom. Fans of the Zero games aren't necessarily fans of the Legend games, and the RPGs are in their own little bubble.

Many of those games end on cliffhangers. Legends and ZX are the two most egregious examples, with Legends being exacerbated by a final installment being confirmed then cancelled. Their frustration is understandable when multiple Mega Man projects got cancelled all at once, some being awaited for ages, followed by nothing for a solid decade.

I'm totally fine with Mega Man retiring, but not on the current terms.

>>386550423
>metroid fan
>rather the series die
How about killing yourself instead?

>>386548505
How about you let the fans decide whether Metroid deserves salvaging or not. You sound like a kid having a temper tantrum because another kid didn't compliment you on your macaroni art, whereas the adults around you did.

>>386550597
ZX fans tend to be Zero fans, and ZX story was shit so I can't really feel bad about it being left on a cliffhanger. We got 6 good games out of it, I'm not disappointed.

Legends has a real beef.

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>People will defend this

AM2R > Samus Returns
PM > Smash 4
Mother 4 > Mother 3
deal with it toddlers

>>386550654
I still have the classic games and Prime series. Nintendo has clearly run out of ideas over the years, and it's best to leave the series alone then bringing it back for sub par entries.

But if you're fine with mediocrity then be my guess. Quality of quantity I always say.

Is there a CIA leak yet? Some anon was posting screenshots of the artbook yesterday

>>386549591
You forgot the false flaggers that stir shit up from all sides.

>>386550695
>let the fans decide
lol

>>386550805
Is Mother 4 even out.

>>386550910
That's applicable to nearly everything on /v/ now, though.

>>386550805
>Mother 4
Anon, it's never coming out, they claim to be backtracking and removing all Mother references, not calling it Mother 4, etc. It's their way of saying it's not happening, they've lured you faggots on for years now, figured you'd learn by now.

>>386550717
Exactly.

I'm okay with Megaman Zero staying defunct. Same thing with BN/Starforce, because what they set out to do was done already. And yep, ZX had a forced cliffhanger on an already stupid story.

If they stay dead, the series won't be any worse than if they got a shitty sequel.

But IF they make a new game using the same gameplay, I'd be happy to have it. Mostly because, specially for battle network, that kind of gameplay is still rare.

Meanwhile metroidvanias are super common.

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>>386548505
>critics

And... You lost me OP. When has anyone on /v/ given a damn about the opinions of journalist? You fucking shill.

>people whose lively hood depend on getting previews say a game is good because they don't want to anger those who give them early access

>>386548871

I've never heard of this. The only disputes going on pertained to FE Warriors, that I've heard of. They were quite dedicated and cohesive for Echoes' development, given how emotionally driven they all were for the game.

>>386548505
>"reviews matter whenever i want"
-/v/
Remember that next time TB has a valid point and you start losing your shit because you hate him (or whoever else whos a critic) and can't accept hes right.
>>386548642
tripfag cancer get the fuck out

>>386551613
The biggest red flag in the OP. Nintendo games usually don't need critics to reaffirm that its good, the game play should speak for itself, and so far it hasn't. When people begin falling back on word of mouth from journalist as opposed to eyeing the product itself, then there's obvious problems OP is trying to hide.

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>mfw I liked Other M
>favorite metroid is the Nes original even though I didn't play it til after I played Prime

>>386552125
None of the other games follow in the footsteps of the first game desu. It's the only game where you're just dropped in a maze and left to figure out the rest.

The amount of falseflagging since the 2Big days has gotten out of fucking control. I hate you people with a passion, you ruin everything. You know who you are and what you've done. Fuck you.

It's hilarious how Metroid fans will throw raging shitfits over a new game in a series having a new mechanic because anything new is evil and horrible and demand that every Metroid game be a carbon copy of either Super or Prime. Mario has games in every single genre in existence and his fans love it but Metroid can't even add a new power-up or ability without its fans screaming about everything being ruined and they want the series killed and never mentioned again.

>>386550741
there is literally nothing wrong with this

>>386550741
>I'll post this in every single Metroid thread and cry like a bitch

Seven years, ACfag. SEVEN NONSTOP YEARS.

>>386552423
The Metroid series is full of variety. People liked Hunters and that was nothing like any of the others. There hasn't been a carbon copy of Super or Prime yet. You're talking shit.

>>386551384
>When has anyone on /v/ given a damn about the opinions of journalist?
Whenever they praise their favourite developer.

>>386548703
>If they get a new game, the majority shits on it and says it's not what they want

Why not just listen to the complaints and requests, then?

>>386552193
You should probably play Super Metroid, it's pretty good.

>>386548642
Poorfags can still get the game tho

>>386552553

>using a gun to punch things

That's retarded and you know it.

>>386552735
Super Metroid has a route. As much as you can sequence break, there are still limits.
Metroid is literally pick a direction and go. There's no guidance in any sense. It's quite different.

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>>386550741
>people will defend a good game mechanic.
I don't see the issue, there.

>>386552813
It's called a pistol whip, you fuck.

>>386552830
It's also a much larger game and there is zero explicit guidance in SM, the player has to figure out everything.

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>>386548505
>Why
Poorfags that play on PC only;
Americucks jealous about the european legacy edition;
/v/ being contrarian as always;
bad taste;
trolls;
falseflagging;

>>386552952
The game still directs you by way of its level design and your powerups. Metroid's level design is completely flat, outside of having the bombs and missiles there's very little keeping you from going to a particular place.

>>386550423
found the faggot.
fuck off

>>386552952
Super Metroid doesn't need guidance because throughout most of the game you're being funneled down one back with one way rooms gating you off from going the wrong direction.

>>386552813
Nothing retarded in using a blunt object to punch things.

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>>386552730
Yes, because listening to the autists like you is how we get SFV

>>386553032
>The game still directs you by way of its level design and your powerups.
Which is still up to the player to figure out.

>>386548505
Metroidfags don't actually like Metroid. They just like their idealized concept of Metroid from playing Super and Prime. It's a similar situation to their perception of Samus's character, where they made a bunch of stuff up and when it didn't match their collective headcanon they threw a hissyfit and called her a whore. That's how they see the entire franchise.

>>386548505
>wah I can't grasp shitposting
There's your why.Right fucking there.

>>386552654
>The Metroid series is full of variety
The farthest Metroid has strayed from the normal is Pinabll, and even that was just a retelling of Prime in pinball format.

>People liked Hunters and that was nothing like any of the others
Wrong, it was just like the Prime games lacking only Metroids and letting you play as other bounty hunters with the same basic abilities as Samus.

>There hasn't been a carbon copy of Super or Prime yet
I didn't say there has been try reading better, I said that Metroid fans demand carbon copies of those two.

>You're talking shit
I'm stating what's happened in every Metroid thread for the last few months.

>>386550879
Seriously, how about you killing yourself?

>>386553298
>Prime was just like Hunters
confirmed for never having played it.

>>386548505
>absolutely positively glowing previews

Which previews were these? Everything I've seen paints it as an ugly but otherwise unremarkable exercise in modernization.

>AM2R cocksuckers

Wasn't impressed by it, either, I'm afraid.

>>386553240
While that's true, it's still a different style.

>>386550072
Metroid fans are the worst imo, they have a huge victim complex and think Nintendo is out to kill their series.

But Fire Emblem fans are pretty terrible, they bitch and complain nonstop about how nu-fire emblem ruined the series by focusing on waifus instead of gameplay. Completely ignoring the fact that Fire Emblem has never been a hardcore strategy series

Also Melee fans deserve an honorable mention for complaining about every not Melee aspect of smash and being deluded enough to think Nintendo should make a melee hd. Luckily their game is dying out though.

>>386553298
>People liked Hunters and that was nothing like any of the others
Wrong, it was just like the Prime games lacking only Metroids and letting you play as other bounty hunters with the same basic abilities as Samus.
Lol, outing yourself like the retard you are

>>386552730
Because the Metroid base (like the Sonic base) is splintered in such a way that no faction has a majority but each is sizeable enough to seem like a large number of complaints. Make a 2D game and some say "why not FPS?". Make an FPS and people say "why not 2D?". Make a 3rd person 3D and some say "why not another Prime?". Make something completely new and a large portion of people say "why not more of the same?". The problem is, unlike the Sonic base, the Metroid base is so small you can't make a successful game pandering to just one faction. In order for the game to get an appreciable amount of sales it has to be good enough that most buy it. There's really no winning this battle without expanding the Metroid base.

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>>386552850
"""Boss fight""".

>>386553445
>>386553346
>go to different areas
>collect powerups from defeated enemies
>shoot things until they explode

Sounds like Metroid to me. What exactly makes it the absolute not-Metroid game you claim it is?

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>people will take shitposting in this hell hole as proof of horrible fanbase
Come out of here, see people still excited as a majority.

>>386553445
Hunters plays more like fucking Quake than Prime

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>>386553004
>>386552786
>>386552631
>>386552423
>>386552320
The only people fucking up Metroid threads are you autistic fucks. So much in fighting between you faggots day in and day out instead of appreciating the fact that you're getting your series back. Is there a more shitty fan base than Metroid as a whole?

>>386553610
Congratulations, you just described almost every game that has existed and will exist, stop fucking breathing

>>386553610
The fact that the focus is on arena FPS multiplayer and the adventure is a complete afterthought?
Ask yourself this; in which Metroid game is exploration an afterthought?

>>386553684
Fire Emblem

>>386552938
>It's called a pistol whip, you fuck.

I'm well aware of what it's called. There's no point in adding it.

>>386553113
>Nothing retarded in using a blunt object to punch things.

It is if your gun has unlimited ammunition. Using it to beat things instead of shooting them is far less productive in the goal of "kill the thing attacking me".

>>386553174
>Yes, because listening to the autists like you is how we get SFV

Nintendo isn't Capcom, so I'm sure they'd do better than they did.

>>386553684
I swear I see more people complaining about Metroid fans than Metroid fans whining about SR.

>>386549591

Problem was Prime was legitimately good and revived the ever living hell out of the franchise.

>>386553668
>caring about what non-/v/irgins think

We despise both Samus Returns and Metroid Prime 4, therefore they are horrible games destroying everything we love and hold dear.

>>386553905
Stop, you'll trigger the 2d only fags.

>>386553868
>Nintendo isn't Capcom, so I'm sure they'd do better than they did.
No, it isn't about which developer is better, if they listen to the autistic fans we ALWAYS get a shit result, I can't remember the last time a dev listened exclusively to the fans and delivered a good product

>>386553868
So the expertly trained intergalatic bounty hunter has no melee training at all? Not at all? See how stupid you sound

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Reminder to boycott until they announce Dread.

>>386553684
>Is there a more shitty fan base than Metroid as a whole?
YOU are the problem. Anybody who says this shit are the falseflaggers mentioned. It's fucking sickening who low some people will go to hate something for seemingly no reason whatsoever.

>>386553435
Forgot to add metroid fans shitting up any discussion of the DKCR series with their whining that retro should be making metroid games.

>>386553587
Yes, this a boss fight. Parry require perfect timing and you are rewarded with a special attack.

Nice gameplay.

>>386553951
>caring about what non-/v/irgins think
Just saying man, people try to paint a brush on the fanbase as a whole than saying on /v/, and end but just joining the endless wave of bitching about x thing in metroid, whether it's 2D, 3D, M:OM, Fed force, AM2R DMCA and now "fans are terrible".
God damn even here before the Amiibo shit started people were interested in E3 instead of biting the hand, and that gets ignored.

>>386553513

I see your point, except the only two versions of Metroid that should be given priority at this point are 2D sprite Metroid, and Prime. Every other version of Metroid outside of these two versions have be abject failures by how poorly received they were by fans.

>>386553587
>>386554160
I noticed how the webm conveniently cuts out the parts where you have to actual dodge and shoot and are unable to parry spam

>>386548505
>Game is getting absolutely positively glowing previews
>doesnt provide any source
>attacks reals fans of the series

>>386554065
The last time we got melee in Metroid it was Other M. Why do you want MOM 2 so badly? And people desperately claim they hated MOM and Sakamoto while being fine with Samus punching things in SR.

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>>386554160
>Enemies clearly telegraph their attacks by glowing red
>Parry window is huge
>Game automatically aims for you after a successful parry
>Cinematic takedown

>Nice gameplay

>>386554065

>What is a gun for?

Metroid is run n shoot gameplay. No need to add a punch mechanic.

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>>386553263
This. They're comparable to Andrew Dobson any other tumblr blogger. They don't care jack shit abut the series or the games, but the IDEA of Samus. /v/ will say they care nothing about stronk females in video games, yet advocate for Samus for essentially being a stronk female character. It's all headcanons, and waifufagging, sex, etc. When all is said and done I bet you not even a fraction of the people fighting for Metroid in this thread will even buy the game come September. This is what the 'fandom' has been like for over a decade now.

>>386554370
>maximum projection

>>386554258
Because none of that fucking matters, YOU ARE PUNCHING THINGS IN METROID FOR FUCK'S SAKE IT WAS BAD ENOUGH SAKURAI MADE HER PUNCH AND KICK THINGS IN SMASH BROS NOW YOU PEOPLE WANT EVERY METROID GAME TO BE OTHER M 2.

>>386554328
This. If they wanted to deepen the mechanics in a Metroid game, do something with the shooting, like maybe consistently getting perfect aim increases your combo score, meaning your shots do more damage that way, rewarding good aim.

Not this melee counter bullshit. I'm still buying the game but I hope for Metroid 5, they get rid of the mechanic.

>>386554276
Why do people try to go for muh "realz fan" arguement.
If you enjoy games in the series you're a fan. Doesn't matter what ones, we can argue about questionable choices but does it matter in the general sense of things?
>>386554445
This entire thread is general projection. It's sad.

>>386550741
What's the problem here?

>>386554258
Well then make your own webms faggot

>>386550879

>Quality of Quantity

Found the uneducated nigger.

>>386554446
yeah dude god forbid any game adds new mechanics or tries new things

>>386554446
>Other M 2
This is Other M 2. It's a prequel.

>>386548505
>Game is getting absolutely positively glowing previews
Where?

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>>386554784
Cinematic trash where the player presses a button to play out a flashy sequence in which they have no control over has no place in Metroid. Trying new things is fine but when the end result is empirically bad then it should be scrapped in lieu of something actually fitting for the series.

>>386554749
Oops, typo. I meant quality over quantity.

>>386554784
When they run counter to everything the series has been they're bad. Period. Why not put AK-47s in Mario and a B-52 Stratofortress in Zelda while we're making Samus punch and kick?

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>mfw not even does the Sonic fandom act as rabidly retarded like the Metroid fans

>>386554370
>They don't care jack shit abut the series or the games, but the IDEA of Samus.

Younglet newfag spotted.

If you actually enjoyed the gameplay of Metroid at all (up until Other M of course), you know damn well that it's the gameplay and atmosphere that keep the player completely engaged. And considering the first couple of games were her isolated in space vs tons of space monsters meant that her needing a voice was completely unnecessary. Fuck, even in Metroid Fusion the 'idea of samus' got fucked with because they gave her text dialogue, changing the atmosphere of the game from "you are in full control of the action, all alone, focusing on the mission" to "this is a retelling of this mission from reading from her personal datalogs." It breaks the immersion of what the original games were.

>>386555029
whatever you say autismo

>>386554949
Samus having a close quarters attack runs counter to everything Metroid has established over the years?

I guess Metal Slug is also irredeemable shit for having the audacity to include a knife in a run n gun.

>>386550072
>fire emblem image

>>386555195
>series about shooting things
>hurr they totally need to melee as well

This is why everything good dies. Faggots like you wanthing the core aspects changed and removed. Why can't you listen to >>386554926
once in a while?

>>386555362
I just REALLY like that image.

I haven't even played the one that guys in.

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>>386554926
>timing a button press to parry an enemy attack and getting a split second animation of that happening is "cinematic trash"

>>386554784
>yeah dude god forbid any game adds new mechanics or tries new things

Adding this sort of mechanic is one step short of putting quick time events into a Metroid game.

I'm sure everyone agrees that QTE's are trash, and games that heavily focus on them suffer, because of them.

I'm all for letting the character to quite intricate and complicated looking maneuvers, but I would rather actually be in full control of doing them myself. Putting the game in temporary auto-pilot simply to get that "epic cinematic gameplay" means that I'm spending a majority of the game waiting for animations to end, removing the games engagement altogether.

>>386555604
Sure you havnt, fuck off faggot

>>386554926
Is hitting a button at the right time to do the projectile launch thing in Ori also cinematic trash?

>>386555420
Metroid has already undermined the need to shoot basic enemies in every game with the Screw Attack and Charge Attack. Your basic beam is the least effective method of killing anything in practically entry of the series.

Unless somersaulting doesn't count because the games you like had it.

>>386550741

man those 3d models must've cost pennies compared to hiring actually good artists

>>386555726
Dumb nu/v/ poster

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>>386548505
Well it's 2.5D , so it automatically looks fucking hideous like all 2.5D games. I never even played AM2R, but the few screenshots I've seen here look alright/good. Glad that guy got hired, to. Too bad Nintendo was too stupid to do it.

>>386555818
Somersaulting doesn't slow down time and take control away from the player to show a cool animation every time you jump into something.

>>386553004
This is the only thing I'm mad about regarding this game

>>386555818

>add a punch
>momentarily stop moving to execute said punch

>screw attack
>charge attack
>two attacks that facilitate movement from point a to point b while decimating enemies without stopping

Do you see why this is an issue yet?

>>386555670
This. Removing control from the player for ANY reason turns video games into movies, if you people don't want to play games then go watch movies. All of you faggots praising this removal of player input need to leave video games and stop ruining everything for the rest of us.

>>386555818
Screw Attack is a melee attack, if you can't see how it's retarded shit for a shooting game then you're way too far gone in Nintendo's pocket.

>>386548505
I've got £30 of Amazon credit but apparently that's not enough.

When did 3DS games get so expensive?

>>386548505
I'm going to buy the game but that doesn't mean I have to pretend it's going to be absolute perfection. Only drones have a problem with legitimate criticism. And yes, there is a very clear difference between shitposters and critics.

>>386556076
That's because the parry isn't an offensive move. It's a defensive move. You're not supposed to be running up to things and punching the shit out of them, it's a way to smack them away if they get to close.

>>386556283
I dont think posting
>this sucks amr2 is better
Is legitimate criticism

>complain that hard mode is locked behind amiibo
>complain that easy mode locked behind amiibo

gamers are cancer.

>>386555991
*guy uses external spriters and makes slight changes to a map and one giant open air spacr with a 5 screen linear ship*
HE'S A LEVEL DESIGN GENIUS.

Metroid: SR already, from the 2 areas we've seen has more unique elements than the entirety of AM2R

>>386556076
The benefit of the pistol whip counter is that in confined rooms like the Metroid encounters where there's not much space to move around it gives you a way to create space between you and the enemy again. Enemies in Metroid 2 are generally way more aggressive about charging at the player than enemies in Super Metroid, and the claustrophobic design of the game actually did make dealing with said enemies a pain in the ass on the Gameboy since you ended up trading hits half the time.

You'd have an argument if it was your primary method of attack, but it's not. It's a supplemental defensive move, with the risk coming from having to stop in your tracks and time the counter instead of just dodging.

>>386556392
Like I said
>there is a very clear difference between shitposters and critics
If you weren't so eager to generalize everyone you'd understand that. For the record I'm going to stop replying now because if this conversation continues it won't go any place good.

Did anyone download the AM2R rom before Ninty sent them the cease?

>>386556558
I downloaded it yesterday. Nintendo didn't stop anything. It's on the net forever now, people, stop acting like AM2R was totally destroyed and erased forever and ever.

>>386554304
This is ACfag. He is for brutally mocking, not actually engaging in discussion

>>386556365

That's what the arm cannon is for. You shoot them from afar so they can't get close to you.

If you let them get close to you while you have a fucking cannon strapped to your arm means you failed to keep them away, and you deserve the damage you take.

Plus, as was stated earlier, triggering a parry mechanic that you are stuck waiting to end if successful means that, while you've avioded damage from that enemy, you are left fucking vulnerable to attack from behind while the animation is going.

I'd rather remove the mechanic altogether and rely on my twichy reactions to avoid and shoot all enemies around me. At least that way, the fault of damage is on me, not some shit animation that shouldn't have been included to begin with.

>>386555029
The only thing Metroid fanbase is missing is creating their own self-inserts

>>386550423
>I rather the series finally die off than rehash old games.
What makes you think they'll do that beyond this game? OG Metroid was remade 13 years ago to match Super and Fusion, which are fine appearance-wise for at least another 10 years, and the Prime series just needs a HD model and texture update for the first game. II was the only Metroid game that needed an update, and we're getting it. Any games from here on out should be 100% new.

>>386556414
>complain that mode is locked behind amiibo
It's almost as if people don't like missing out on part of a game's content unless they shell out for an additional figure or two.

It wouldn't be as bad if they actually followed the model they advertised it with, where you could get bonuses across multiple games for having the same figure. But they've started making new figures of the exact same characters for each new game, and gave them DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. So even if you already had a Kirby or a Samus amiibo you still won't get jack shit unless you get this NEW Kirby or Samus amiibo made specifically for this game.

>>386557283
Implying super wont get a remake eventually

>>386550423
Maybe you should just stop playing them, asshole.

>>386555991
Funny, because he didn't create fucking anything on his on and just stole already existing things along with layout

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>>386553587
>first metroid type in the game
>dropping morph ball bombs
HURR WHY IS IT SO EASYYYYYYY

>>386556468

That also means that, for certain enemies, the weak point will not be available to do damage to UNTIL you manage to successfully land a parry.

That's not good game design. That's game design specifically to artificially extend game length, and it inflate "difficulty".

I'd rather be in constant panic mode as the boss and I trade hits, seeing who can last longer, versus just standing in one spot, bored to tears as I "parry, shoot, repeat for 10 minutes until boss dies". That shit WILL drive people away from playing, or at least disincentivize people from playing the game again in the future.

AM2R metroid fights were awful and not fun in any way

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>>386557549
>It's ok for a boss to be easy because it's the first one
>It's ok for a boss to be beaten entirely spamming cinematic takedowns

>didnt care about fan game
>see this game
>wow this artstyle looks boring and unappealing

>>386556909
>Go out of your way to use an attack that has a cooldown before you can move again
>Get hit because you're spamming it in situations where its vulnerability window makes it dangerous to use
>This is somehow the games fault

>>386557553
I actually agree with you here. I really hope there aren't any bosses that require you to stand around and fight with the parry. At that point it'll start feeling like a Zelda boss, and I don't think 2D Metroid is really suited for that.

Luckily all the ones we've seen in the demo can be fought normally without relying on the parry, treating it more as a secondary strategy than a way to reveal the weak point. As long as the games consistent with that approach it shouldn't be a problem.

>>386557730
Care to show me it being defeated by "entirely spamming cinematic takedowns"? Because all it shows is her hitting it away from here and then shooting normally

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>>386557782
The art style combined with the 2.5D polygons is an atrocity.

>>386550741
>>386553587
>>386554304
>>386554926
Holy shit will you fuck off? You've been posting the same trash opinions with the same cherrypicked webms and gmod heavy face for three days in a row. AT LEAST three days in a row. You're a broken record.

>>386557415
>17
They'd fuck it up.

>>386558002
It's ACfag, he's been a broken record for the last seven years.

>>386550741
>>386553587
>>386554304
>>386554926
You HAVE to have autism. I literally see you in every Metroid thread.

>>386557946
See >>386553587

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>>386558259
Shooting your arm cannon is cinematic now?

I have played every Metroid game, including AM2R and a few hacks, except for M2, Pinball, Other M, and Fed Force.

I'm pretty hyped for this, I just hope they do it right. Level design, art direction, difficulty...there is a lot they could fuck up.

>>386550879
Quantity leads to quality, you faggot. Super Metroid (your favorite game) couldn't have existed if it wasn't for all the other shitty games nintendo had produced back then. By not supporting Metroid 2, which is for once, a return to fucking form for Metroid, you're literally saying you don't want a good quality metroid game. Some "fan."

>>386558259
Half of the webm is it flying back and forth dropping projectiles while Samus shoots at it normally.

>>386548703
Metroid fans arent bitching

We are being raided by shitposters.

>>386548703
Its literally one guy having an aneurysm daily.

>>386558553
>public backlash
>REEEEEEEE RAIDING

>>386558553
Silly anon, Metroidfags ARE shitposters

>>386557953
Maybe my taste is just shit but I like the 3D models and animations in 3DS games like this one, FE Echoes and EO. I'm not sure how to explain it properly but there's a certain charm to them.

It's not Metroid fans you weenies, it's ACcag. Ignore him and just talk about Metroid for fuck's sake

>>386558434
When control is stripped from the player by a simple button press to shove flashy cinematics down your throat at every turn, yes, that is a cinematic experience. It's no different from trash like Uncharted or Bayonetta.

>>386558642
>public backlash
Do you think a few dozen shitposters on /v/ represent everyone else? Did you mother try a delayed abortion using a mallet on you only damaged your brain?

>>386557553
Eh timing counters is more interesting than tanking hits and missile dumping IMO.

Of course GOAT design is a challenging enemy that you have to learn to dodge and understand to defeat. See: early Golden Torizo in Hyper Metroid

>>386558553

Pretty much. Best way to actually discuss the game is to just not feed fisherman

>>386558881
Care to show me the control of firing and walking being taken away from the player in that webm after hitting it away from her?

>>386557837
>>Go out of your way to use an attack that has a cooldown before you can move again

Here is the problem. No Metroid game prior to this has ever had an attack that needed a 'cooldown', further proving that this sort of attack is alien and unnecessary. Ammo based weapons and movement based attacks are what help shape the Metroid experience. To add melee attacks is, quite factually, incorrect and wrong when you compare it to all previous Metroid games (inb4 Other M reference. that game got panned up and down for thism and it's shit story).

>Get hit because you're spamming it in situations where its vulnerability window makes it dangerous to use
>This is somehow the games fault

Tell me: have you never played a game where you've accidentally performed move Y when you meant to perform move X, and taken heavy damage/died because of it? Including this sort of mechanic will (with high probability) cause this sort of hangup a lot, especially considering the game's reputation for having creatures surround you constantly.

>Luckily all the ones we've seen in the demo can be fought normally without relying on the parry
>As long as the games consistent with that approach it shouldn't be a problem.

Well if it's a move that can be completely ignored, what is the purpose of having it when a gun arm is perfectly capable of getting the job done?

I know it's seems like this conversation can just go around in circles, but if you agree that the potential for inflated difficulty is not ideal, then removing the mechanic altogether IS the ideal situation to avoid frustrating the players.

I'd say it has to do with the devs track record.

>>386558457

Quality leads to quality. People buy quality.

Quantity leads to failure if nothing is bought in high enough numbers.

>>386559003
The first few seconds, after Samus does a parry it shows this absurd sequence of her jumping on top of the Metroid and shooting in which the player has no control and is forced to watch.

>>386558751
Do me a favor after this game flops. Reassure me that the entirety of the Metroid fandom will go and blame the AC boogeyman once the game sells less than 300K. It'll obviously not be the fans' fault who keep screeching like retards for new games but never buy them.

I can't wait until this game fails.

>>386559395
So much this.

>>386559392
The player is literally choosing to engage and attack though. It also consumes missiles.

For example here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=503&v=T_KUIwN48ck

At 8:20, it doesnt autmoatically strip you of your control as after performing the counter the player runs into the metroid.

>>386559392
How do you know it's automated?

>>386558974
>Eh timing counters is more interesting than tanking hits and missile dumping IMO.

For all of the talk of people trying to "make games more accessible", this seems like a recipe to drive new players away instantly, because expecting a brand new Metroid player to perfect some abstract timing with cause them to ragequit.

Alternatively, veterans to Metroid will see timing encounters as frustrating and annoying for the simple fact of "this is taking far longer than is necessary."

>>386554258
>and are unable to parry spam
You are. You get punished if you miss the Parry.
This short video is about the Amiibo, but at 0:25, it show what happens if you miss the parry. it can't be spammed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOS2PaLVGaU
>>386554304
>>Parry window is huge
It's not. confirmed at 1:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOvD1-DJ_Y
>it require near perfect timing.
>>Cinematic takedown
You keep memeing that word as if it magically allowed you to win arguments.

>>386559739
*press button as soon as they attack*

I'm sure the mainstream game audience has NEVER had a timed button press in any AAA game, except, you know, all of them.

>>386548703
Sounds like the Sonic fans of a few years ago. Remember when they made a petition to cancel Sonic 4?

>>386559828
Any amount of taking control from the player makes a game a movie. Go watch a movie if you want cintematic experiences.

>>386559003

Not that anon, but you notice how in that Webm where Samus is riding on the back of the boss shooting it after the parry move?

20 to 1 that's a cinematic event, and I can bet that you WILL have to plow through that animation CONSTANTLY, doing fixed amounts of damage each time, slowing down gameplay instead of simply letting the player spam the fire button or using another weapon with higher damage to take it out faster.

It LITERALLY slows down overall gameplay.

That's bad.

>>386560050
Or, you know. NOT parry and beat him the normal way with missles on his underside.

>>386560050
You do realize that as soon as you stop firing the animation is canceled?

>>386559924
see my post here >>386555670

>>386559642
My problem is with what occurs at 8:24, what purpose does that serve? 2D Metroid have always had a brisk pace with the player being in 100% control for practically the entirety of the game, these unnecessary cinematics only hinder the flow of the game.

>>386560126
Why have the cinematic experience move in the game at all if you can choose not to use it?

>>386560170
Not a QTE, you don't have to press it, and even if you do, there's no requirement to actually riposte.

>>386560172
Except, you know, Super Metroid, Zero Mission, and Fusion, 3/5 of the game

>>386560126

They why include the option if no one is going to use it? It's long, arduous,annoying, and above all, a waste of time.

>>386560161

And the backflip where you have no control over her for a brief period. How does this refute the 'taking control away from the player is bad' dicussion that's been put forward?

>>386560172
What, the dynamic camera angle? Does it really bother you that much? I would maybe understand you if you were referring to soley the Zeta's counter animation, but this is literally samus just shooting the metoroid at an angle.

>>386560016
Remember when it sucked?

>>386560410
Super Metroid only had two cinematic segments where your controls lock up at the end of the game. ZM and Fusion had none of that.

>>386560603
Fusion has when the Omega Metroid bitch-slaps you and you have to watch it walk toward you, SA-X appear and shoot at it, then Omega bitch-slapping it too.

>>386560720
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Again, that was the very end of the game.

>>386556125
Please define a Quick Time Event.

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>>386560476
ACfag thinks the two second transition in Zelda dungeons are too much.

>>386560047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWkcZv9DEac

I didn't realize Metroid Prime was a movie.

>>386560763
Zero Mission has actual cutscenes.

>>386559073
>No Metroid game prior to this has ever had an attack that needed a 'cooldown', further proving that this sort of attack is alien and unnecessary
No Metroid game prior to Samus Returns has featured combat and gunplay as such a prominent feature, with the exception of the Metroid II.

If you're building the game around the premise of hunting down 40 different minibosses you're going to need to expand on the basic combat mechanics. Metroids combat is suited for maneuvering around a labyrinth and giant monsters, not frequent 1v1 battles. A different game structure requires rethinking core mechanics to suit it. Other M is an example of a game that did it extremely poorly, but one bad attempt does not mean it cannot be done. It's worked for other franchises in the past and Metroid isn't an exception.

>Including this sort of mechanic will (with high probability) cause this sort of hangup a lot
Not if they're smart about it.
Enemies telegraph the counter, you need to stand in place to activate it, and there's a limited amount of frames where you can do it. It doesn't come across as the type of thing you'll accidentally trigger a lot to me.

>Well if it's a move that can be completely ignored, what is the purpose of having it when a gun arm is perfectly capable of getting the job done?
Why include the charge beam and super missiles if they serve the same purpose as basic missiles? Why include all the optional power bomb triggered abilities like the Crystal Flash in Super Metroid if they're worthless, or the beam combos in the Prime series?
Flexibility and diversity is a good thing. It lets you play to suit your own playstyle and experiment with things you might not normally try. I've replayed a lot of Castlevania games specifically to dick around with weapon types or magic abilities I've never used before, it's the same idea here.

>>386560780
Please don't try to argue with ACfag.

>>386560847
>Boss transition cutscenes = qtes

>>386560410

Super Metroid had few cinematics at all, and none of them triggered mid-fight.

Fusion's storytelling was a mess that forced you to literally stop at a computer terminal every few minutes so the game could tell you where to go, preventing actual exploration unless an area was 'granted' to you. You couldn't natrually get there and explore of your own accord.

Which negates what you are trying to prove here.

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>>386554926
>Cinematic trash where the player presses a button to play out a flashy sequence
>>386556076
>This. Removing control from the player for ANY reason turns video games into movies
Factually wrong. In a movie you have zero inputs.
>>386556076
>>momentarily stop moving to execute said punch

ITT, people complaining that A Special move is more spectacular than a normal move.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This has been part of video game since special moves have existed. But at some point, because there was abuse of cut-scenes, people started to complain about game being to cinematic and you developed a Pavlovian reaction that make you hate anything you identify as cinematic, whther it is or not and induce displeasure in you, whether or not it's actually good.

Also, it only trigger special move agaisnt bosses. Against normal enemies, it is just a normal attack.

here is Golden Axe, a true Oldchool great video, look out this is actually a movie just pretending to be a game because there are special attack where you don't absolutely control everything. Turns out it was a shit game all along.

>>386548745
You fags keep saying "Oh, Metroid is so divided"
Not outside of /v/. And if you use /v/ for a basis on a fanbase's views you're fucking retarded

>>386560929
Read what I'm responding to.

>>386560440
I'm using it, my friend isn't. OPTIONS.

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>>386560047
>Any amount of taking control from the player makes a game a movie.
Factually false statement.

also, the parry doesn't trigger any special attack agaisnt normal enemies.

>>386557439
no

>>386560934
>Super Metroid had few cinematics at all, and none of them triggered mid-fight.

*FIght mother brain for 2 minutes, 2 minute long cutscene midfight, fight her for 30 seconds"
NEVER during mid fight
>Fusion's storytelling was a mess that forced you to literally stop at a computer terminal every few minutes so the game could tell you where to go, preventing actual exploration unless an area was 'granted' to you. You couldn't natrually get there and explore of your own accord.
So AM2R and Metroid 2

Reminder Samus Returns is confirmed to be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOvD1-DJ_Y

>>386560929
It's good thing the Parry move aren't qte either.

Also, one would think that someone who hate so much whenever he isn't in control would actually prefer special moves where you have some inputs to cucene where you have absolutely no control at all.

>>386560509
Yeah
Still pretty pathetic, remember that there was almost no footage of the game and they were basing this tantrum off of a single trailer because they wanted a remake.

>>386549591
Halo has the same problem, you just have to ignore the faggots, and talk about the games.

>>386550423
>I rather the series finally die off than rehash old games.
I rather you die off than rehash the same old ass argument every day.

>>386561726
This.

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>>386551130
true. I just wished more people were intelligent enough to use the "sage" option on obvious bait thread.

>>386548505
>Listening to (((game reviewers)))
This is a shill thread.

>>386560876
>No Metroid game prior to Samus Returns has featured combat and gunplay as such a prominent feature

.....except every game prior. You have a gun. You shoot things. That's the core mechanic, aside from jumping, and exploring. There was not actual 'combat' (ie grappling, kicking, blocking, etc), and the game that DID have that was mocked and shunned.

>If you're building the game around the premise of hunting down 40 different minibosses you're going to need to expand on the basic combat mechanics

>What are armor upgrades
>What are beam upgrades

Adding a punch feature to fight creatures that can sometimes deflect your bullets outright seems fucking absurd, EVEN for a game with a part-bird bounty hunter set in space fighting overgrown alien ticks.

>Not if they're smart about it. Enemies telegraph the counter

Stop you there. There is no reason to stop mid fight and wait to be attacked.

>Why include the charge beam and super missiles if they serve the same purpose as basic missiles? Why include all the optional power bomb triggered abilities like the Crystal Flash in Super Metroid if they're worthless, or the beam combos in the Prime series?

Because they are more POWERFUL options to your arm cannon, which turns into a literal pea-shooter if you don't upgrade.

If you are suggesting that a PUNCH is more powerful than a BULLET, at any point in the game, then why have the arm cannon, a STAPLE of the fucking character? Why not just punch your way to Mother Brain?

Because punching does not a Metroid game make, that's why.

>>386550741
ACfag, did Other M nuke your brain that much? Even after that awesome Gamexplain gameplay playthrough, you still keep posting the same shit, every single day.

>>386554067
It's coming out next after Samus Returns you dumbfuck.

>>386560943
>here is Golden Axe, a true Oldchool great video, look out this is actually a movie just pretending to be a game because there are special attack where you don't absolutely control everything. Turns out it was a shit game all along.

Terrible example. It essentially relied on ammo, did huge amounts of damage, and all you had to do was press a button to activate it, regardless of enemy situation.

Comparing it to a move where you have to hit telegraphed timing, and it only does as much damage as regular attacks is quite wrong.

>>386550423
>When /v/ shilling a game so much to the point where they unironically start citing critics
How long have you been here.
basicaly EVERY FUCKING GAME, being hyped or liked on /v// will have posters bringing positive review when they come out. ALWAYS. FOR EVERY FUCKING game.

It's even more so when people want a game to fail and they start posting all negative review when they start to pop up.

There is nothing different, there.

>>386561832
Everyone forgot that sage exists once they made it invisible. Fuck, I never even cared that people were using it wrong, at least off topic threads were less likely to get bumped. I miss sage being visible.

>>386562253
>>386562058
you can at least post a native res screenshot if you're gonna bait people come the fuck on

Here's your (You) spend it wisely

Cause am2r was great and nintendo killed it. They still mad. I love am2r and this game is also gonna be great.

>>386561948
You seem less upset about the mechanic itself and more up in arms about Samus being allowed to make any physical contact with the enemy. If it was fucking identical to what's already in the game but contextualized as a shot gun instead of a slap we wouldn't even be having this argument.

Im gonna stop posting here because you're so against the very concept of melee, even though plenty of shooters and run n guns have them, that there's no discussion to be had. We're just gonna keep going in circles and I have better things to do with my time.

Also, combat just means a fight between two combatants. That includes armed fights with guns.

>>386561258
>So AM2R and Metroid 2

Fair point. But neither had dialogue that said you weren't 'allowed' to continue forward, because reasons. The danger of being burned by the lava was enough to dissuade you from jumping head first to your goal. It may have been a shit mechanic, but story wise it made more sense given the environment.

>>386561987
Yes, MOM really did damage him this badly. You forget he's done this exact same thing every single day for the last SEVEN YEARS. He still insists the entire planet loves MOM and he's the only person who hates it.

>>386560943
Golden Axe specials are just a Panic button where you can only use once until you find more of those little guys.

I want /v/ to add IDs, most autists at least put on names for easy filtering

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>>386562285
That was my point. People are complaining about the Parry attack, crying about how "cinematic" defacto ruin the gameplay and it's the modern plague of videogame, whereas it's actually way more tame than a game that is almost universally liked was actually doing.

People who complain that parry triggering special move (only when you fight against bosses, btw) simply developped a pavlovian reaction to cinematic and are unable of rational thinking.

They can't bed their mind over the fact that Parry require skill and reward you for successful attack and this is actually good game design.

>>386561114

>My friend isn't.

.....until the game makes him use it, that is. You don't include a mechanic like this and then just leave it as a secondary combat 'option', especially if it does only as much damage as your original attack.

>>386562753
And Parry require good timing, otherwise you are fucked.

Its still doesn't change the fact that there is nothing wrong with special attacks and memeing "movie" over and over doesn't magically make you right.

This thread is more proof than ever before that Nintenbros will eat shit and enjoy it if massa says to. Autism is a helluva thing.

>>386562885
So far it seems that that's exactly what they did though.

>>386562737
This guy needs to seek mental help, stat.

>>386560440
>It's long, arduous,annoying, and above all, a waste of time.
You haven't played the game.

>>386561267

>press button at specific frame to activate sequence

Sounds like a QTE to me.

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>Series has traditionally used sprites and looked amazing
>Reboot uses 2.5D
Hmm...

>>386562885
>You don't include a mechanic like this and then just leave it as a secondary combat 'option', especially if it does only as much damage as your original attack.
>He say about a game where part of the fun for many players is to skip as much item as possible.
If anything, Metroid is the perfect game to do that.

I haven't played it but this game looks atrocious visually. And I know the 3DS can do better than that especially in 2017. On top of that, this entire melee mechanic is going to be shit and we all know it.

inb4 u dunt have 2 use it!!!11

>>386562962
I'm not against the Parry. If anything I'm against the aiming and that green thing that looks like invincibility.

>>386563056
>Sounds like a QTE to me.
No? Not at all. QTE is a Dance Dance revolution minigame.

Pushing one button with the good timing is a contextual action. Not the same thing.

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Why are Nintendo fans so insecure?

>>386563259
>>386562885
STOP THE FUCKING ARGUING.

Watch this actual gameplay video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_KUIwN48ck
then you can come back complain agaisnt something actually substantial.

>>386562992

And it suffers for it. Have you not been paying attention to the people who are arguing against it in this thread?

It's a terrible addition. You can defend it all you want but there is factually zero reason to include it.

>>386563046
>You haven't played the game
You can tell how much of your time it is wasting from the videos posted above. Making a player wait for any reason mid-attack is bad for engagement.

>>386562986
Mad sonyfag in yet another Nintendo thread. Literally obsessed with it's games.

>>386563445
uuuh? how does your question relate to the pic you posted exactly?

>>386563328
>QTE is a Dance Dance revolution minigame.

ROFL oh my fucking god you have never played a game in your life have you?

>>386563469

How can this look like this in 2017? The 3DS has been putting out pretty decent looking games for the entirety of its lifespan, I just don't get it. As for the quality of the game itself, who knows. Metroid games a very feel based like Mario. World design is also hugely important and that one looks like it is not going to be achieved from the trailers.

>>386563445
>why am I so assblasted and insecure
ftfy

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>>386563694
Looks good to me.

>>386563469
honestly the monsters ALL constantly coming at you makes it impossible to play the game the traditional way. They areas are small and cramping and with EVERY monster bum rushing you it looks like they WANT you to use the counter. Not sure if I like that

Enjoying the sound effects/music though they got that down for sure

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>>386563946

>>386563469
>then you can come back complain agaisnt something actually substantial.

We have been.

Now stop shilling these vids. We've already established the 'parry' is a shit addition.

>>386563175
>>He say about a game where part of the fun for many players is to skip as much item as possible.
>If anything, Metroid is the perfect game to do that

If you are suggesting people will use this for speedruns: terrible news for you, the amount of non-controlable downtime will cause highly skilled people to skip this move altogether for all of the time it wastes.

>>386563561
Fans are using previews as proof that an unreleased game will be fine. Same shit happened with Star Fox Zero.

>>386563469
>4:52
How could you tell that this shit is breakable?

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>>386563473
>You can tell how much of your time it is wasting from the videos posted above.
WRONG MOTHER FUCKER.. Not at all. Against normal enemies, you parry and continue the action with no interruption.

And even against bosses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_KUIwN48ck
At 8:20
-Successful parry
-player is not licked at all and can still move right after it (even if it is to bump against the beta).

NOW LISTEN TO ME AND REPEAT:
PARRY DO NOT LOCK YOU UP IN ANIMATION
ASSHOLE

SO STOP YOU MOTHER FUCKING RANTING AND RANTING AND RANTING AND COMPLAINING AND WHINING BECAUSE YOU ARE A MORRON WHO IS UNABLE TO WAIT TO AHVE A GAME IN HIS FUCKING HAND BEFORE UTTERING COMPLAIN AS IF THEY WERE FACT.

Asshole.

>>386563570
Plenty. And I know the differnece between qte and special actions.

>>386564086
>We've already established the 'parry' is a shit addition.

Who's "we", ACfag? Don't try to speak for me. And we've established that you're a brain-damaged idiot seven years ago.

>>386564194
you cant

Metroid games are full of dumb shit like this and people always praise it for "good" level/puzzle design

You literally cannot tell youre supposed to bomb that. Like not even the slightest fucking hunt

>>386563952
>honestly the monsters ALL constantly coming at you makes it impossible to play the game the traditional way

>playthrough almost only show game being played traditional
>hey guys, it look like it's impossible to play it traditionally.
How far up your ass your head is?

>>386564086
>We've
There's no we in (You), ACfag.

>>386564194
Just going off the original Metroid II, plenty of Chozo Statue rooms had holes in the same spot. The rooms all look the same otherwise so it caught my interest when I first played the game.

>>386564086
>If you are suggesting people will use this for speedruns
No, I am saying that a game where there are items you and attack you can skip, inlcuding attacks you don't need to use make sense.

> the amount of non-controlable downtime will cause highly skilled people to skip this move altogether
Except
1. you can still play during parry action
2. special attacks only happens for bosses
3. it allow you to kill enemies faster so it might actually be used.

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>>386564478
>playthrough almost only show game being played traditional
>>hey guys, it look like it's impossible to play it traditionally.
Did we watch the same video? Literally every enemy was bumrushing her and she was taking damage. She couldn't jumped around it like a traditional metroid game because the areas were too small so she took the damage. The game wants you to fucking use the counter

Why are you even defending this shit?

>>386548505
When is this coming out?

Who here is actually gonna buy this game? Like be honest.

>>386564741
Why do you defend the very existence of Metroid Prime, which is full of cinematic experiences and isn't even a real Metroid game?

>>386564275

You seem upset.

>you parry and continue the action with no interruption.

>successful parry
>arms raised
>feet off ground
>mid-air spin
>2 full seconds of non-controllable vulnerability

Or

>successful parry
>auto-pilot
>press button to shoot
>back exposed to enemies/projectiles from behind
>backflip
>full second of non-controllable descent onto waiting enemies.

You don't have to be 'locked' to have control taken away from you at key points.

>STOP UTTERING COMPLAIN AS IF THEY WERE FACT.

Simply making observations here, friendo.

>Asshole.

Well that was uncalled for.

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>>386553587
but the metroid fights in the original and AM2R are both pretty lame though

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>>386564852
Why are you flipping the conversation? I only play the 2D games havent touched the Prime ones and thats beside the point? We literally have video evidence that if you dont want to take damage you have to use the counter because areas are too small and you flip to "hur hur well u liekd prime XDD"

>>386564834
>MercurySteam
Not me, I'm waiting for Sakamoto to make Metroid 5.

>>386565021
Not sure if I like it or not.

>>386564834
I will, but I'm spoofing all of the amiibo stuff because it's nonsense that any of it is locked behind a paywall. The DS Castlevania games had all those features included in the base game and those happened about a decade ago.

>>386565021
where'd you get it from? Is there footage of it?

>>386565021
neat

now if only I could find the new Metroid amiibo. they are fucking sold out everywhere

>>386565021
Looks pretty cool, I like it.

>>386550741
So correct me if I am wrong, the guy that keep posting the webms is call ACfag, and he has mental issues, and we should ignore him so our Metroid threads are less shitty?

>>386564947
>>2 full seconds of non-controllable vulnerability
The dfuck are you on. this is like that every time, there is no "non controllable" anything, there.

>You don't have to be 'locked' to have control taken away from you at key points.
Except in the first case, no control was taken from you.

Also, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being able to do a special attack.

>>386564372
>>386564548

No idea who you are referring to, but it sounds like you've had similar arguments to what I've put forth before.

Guess you were wrong then too.

>>386564720
So you are conceding that the only reason this is getting included is to make the game artificially longer? That's the only logical reason to include it, unless:

>3. it allow you to kill enemies faster so it might actually be used.

....meaning we are dragging Metroid into the realm of God Of War with it's "hit this QTE to kill enemies faster" schtick.

Yea, no. That's terrible.

>>386554446
Jesus the level of autism is WAY too high, this is the ACfag if I am correct?

>>386564741
>Literally every enemy was bumrushing her and she was taking damage
And that still doens't force to use parry.

>She couldn't jumped around it like a traditional metroid game because the areas were too small
It's no smaller than in other 2D metroid games.

and you can actually jump around.

>>386564194
>>386564448
You had jsut gotten the bomb upgrade in that room and the door is locked.

Maybe put two and two together? Jeez no wonder they have to pander to casuals.

>>386565842
>And that still doens't force to use parry.
Uh... you take damage if you dont? Do I really have to webm shit for you because your blind ass to see it?

>>386565716
>Also, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being able to do a special attack.

If it isn't a weapon attack, like a Super Missle or Power Bomb, or a charged shot, it doesn't fit. Period.

>>386565768
>So you are conceding that the only reason this is getting included is to make the game artificially longer?
I did not admit such thing. I actually said the opposite, as using counter allow you to defeat enemies faster.

What I did said is that the metroid franchise is known fo being able to skip item. in Zerro Mission, you odn't actually need the Screw attack or the Power bombs to finish the game.

>"hit this QTE to kill enemies faster" schtick.
This isn't QTE. Videogames have always got special attacks and there is nothing wrong with that.

>That's terrible.
Not really, you have spouted buzzwords that are not even accurate and fail to demonstrate how this isn't nice to play.

>>386565042
Super Metroid has cinematic experiences as well but you love it.

>>386565935
Not him but the player couldve easily just dodged or shot the enemy from afar, and the player did succeed in doing that several times.

Its also only the bats that did that. The other enemies are much easier to hit with your gun, even when theyre chrarging.

>>386548703
Stop falling for the falseflagging faggot shitposting, the contrarians don't like games period

>>386565935
>Uh... you take damage if you dont?
There is a thing called dodging. Or tanking through it.
> Do I really have to webm shit for you because your blind ass to see it?
how about you watch this >>386552850 instead?

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>yfw you enjoyed AM2R and will enjoy this one too

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>>386566813

>>386566896
I wish missles still had that effect where it sounds like a bomb exploding. When she used the missles and i didnt hear the sound I got sad

>>386566091

1) 2.5D is terrible. Should have gone full sprites.
2) Being able to skip items has nothing to do with the fact that you will be forced to use a gimmicky mechanic that will only lengthen the time spent on bosses, even if you manage to avoid using the gimmick during regular play. Potentially, this means that boss battle could be between 5 minutes and 30 minutes, depending on how successfully you can trigger the 'special move'. Being forced in a boss fight for that long will prevent people from wanting to play the game more than once.
3) Unless the 'special attack' can do some MASSIVE damage, there is no point in using it over beams/missles. And even then, punching things over shooting them is fucking absurd.
>but it's defensive
A block button/push back mechanic would make a fuckload more sense, not this 'gun uppercut' nonsense.

>you fail to demonstrate how this isn't nice to play

Having attacks and situations mid combat where time is wasted and control is removed from the player...demonstrates the games focus is more on the cinematic aspect versus classic, twitchy gameplay. That is never a good thing for a game when it is classically known to let the player be in full control at all times.

>inb4 Prime existing negates this argument

I'm speaking to this as it pertains to the 2D games. Prime it it's own thing. Not applicable here, or at least it SHOULDN'T be, if you get what I'm driving at.

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>>386567184
>2.5D is terrible.

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>>386548505
>>Game is getting absolutely positively glowing previews

>Trusting reviewers.

>>386566896
>alpha

Thats a beta anon

>>386567408

Right is objectively better. Got a lot more going on, and is nicer to look at.

>>386567547
>my opinions are objective

>>386548745
Obviously Sonic.

>>386567513
Who should we trust? People who've played the game or shitposters on /v/?

Id rather trust myself and form my own opinion thanks.

>>386567603

Not my fault you are wrong.

>>386550741
That one ground creature looked like it had armor on it and then she just punches it in the face.

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>>386567603

>absolutely positively
Slow your roll little orphan Annie
Game looks like ass btw, and I couldn't care less about Metroid, just a salty 3DS owner mad about every game produced by Nintendo looking like the inside of my anus despite the hardware actually being able to handle some decent graphics, also that spammable counter lmao

>>386568049
What 3DS games have decent graphics? Show example screenshots or something as well.

>>386568214
Ironfall and Resident Evil Revelations are really decent looking 3DS games. And Kid Icarus/Smash Bros i guess.

The simpler looking games like Kirby and Mario look good too.

AlphaDream makes some really nice looking sprites for the Mario and Luigi games.

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>>386568214
Of course it's not all about hyperrealism, but SR's art design is lacking detail.

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>>386568532
Not only detail but what's there just looks awful, each copy sold is pretty much a message to Nintendo saying 'I'm ok with you dropping sprites with the series.'

>>386548505
>30fps
>Still looks like a fresh steaming pile of cow shit

Sasuga Nintendo

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>>386568449
What do you think of Ocarina of Time 3DS and Majora's Mask 3DS?

>>386568654
Reminds me of Megaman Legends, without the good writing.

>>386568856
They look pretty good too. I know some people say they ruined the lighting or whatever but i thought it was a massive imporvement. The dramatically improved framerate helped too.

>>386568794
What does fps have anything to do with the graphics?

>>386548505
>/v/ hating on a game
That's normal.

>>386569059
>/v/ hates on a game that looks to be a steaming pile of fecal matter
That's normal.

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>>386568856
Not him but it looks pretty gud. Wish they would've made a new game with thosr graphics and art style, instead of pic related. Shit looks like Oceanhorn except worse.

>>386569102
Thanks for proving my point.

>>386569102
This game will get a 87+ on metacritic, sell a million copies and theres nothing you can do about it ACfag.

>>386548703
Fuck you. I'm fucking excited for Samus Returns.

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>>386569106
Is Nintendo straight up done with sprites for Zelda and Metroid?

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>>386569186
>This game will get a 87+ on metacritic
I don't doubt it.

>>386568949
I'd be more willing to forgive the shitty graphics if the game ran at 60fps.

>>386569284
Probably. If you want sprites for anything in the future it might pay to start spamming Konami about the topic before they begin serious development of the next Castlevania.

>>386550897

This. I'm ready to play this shit, fuck the drama. I loved AM2R and I'm sure I'll love this.

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>Get an insanely good fan made remake of Metroid 2
>Get an insanely good official remake of Metroid 2

>All you have to do is play the one you like better, or enjoy both

>Prime 4 on the way

>Series was never even dead

>STILL shitposting and arguing about what's better instead of just talking about video games reasonably

I swear to God, Metroid fags are some of the most spoiled pieces of shit out there.