Has a series ever jumped the shark THIS hard?

Sonic and Paper Mario come to mind.

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>>386539364

>>386539364
Sonic
Ninja Gaiden

>>386539479
Good answer.

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>>386539364

SHUT UP IT'S NOT PART OF THE SERIES
REALLY IT'S NOT

>>386539479
wat game

>>386539364
Only Sega can fuck up an IP, then recover it, only to then completely crash it and burn it to the fucking ground.

Probably but I can't think of any examples right now. First game is good and is practically a cult classic. Everything after that is a disgrace. They're on hat trick shit streak.

>>386542003
3 was actually good though.

>>386542112
Yeah, and so were 2 and Revolution if we're placing the standards that low. Fuck off and don't reply to me ever again with your dogshit opinions.

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>tfw nobody cares about best girl or best game

>>386542197
I'm not the fucking retard comparing 3 to 2 and this turd, so go fuck yourself.

>>386542197
stay mad fucboi

>>386539479

Winner.

>>386542368
Going to PSP killed VC harder than anything else. But VC2 pandering hard to Japan's anime tastes didn't help either.

>>386543175
Maybe in burgerland. In Japan, VC3 was the most popular game in the series.

I can't even finish the game. Both the story and combat is just boring.

>>386543175

2 and 3 both sold better than 1 though and 3 was actually good in terms of gameplay.

Going to handhelds didn't kill the series, Sega just had no idea how to handle it. They could have developed another one in the same lines as the original for consoles but they decided to reskin a Shining game and slap the VC name on it instead.

VC was a fluke. Only the first game is worth playing. Yes, 3 is shit too, fuck that noise.

>>386543428
Sega of Japan's fucking stupid. They could've even done what they did later and just released PS3 versions like they do with PS4/Vita games.

They saw the sales of VC1 in America and Europe and didn't give a shit because it didn't happen immediately, and happened elsewhere. They wanted it to sell well there more than anything else, so they pushed it on PSP because it was big at the time.

Then again, considering how the followup to 3 was, IIRC, a mobile phone game, yeah, I think >>386543571 has the right of it. They have no idea what to do with the series, and want to do something now that they see it sold really well on PC for a cheap port job.

>>386543484

I think the story itself is way more interested than the original which just had cliches out the ass and downright bad writing (Isara's death, Faldio's betrayal) for the sake of moving the plot along. None of the villains were very engaging either.

Azure goes a lot more in-depth with the setting and character development and you see every faucet and viewpoint of the story from multiple viewpoints so nothing feels left out. All of the characters contribute to the scenes in some way too and get development outside of the main story as well. It's just that the narrative is presented in an extremely dull manner where you're sitting through 20-30 minutes of cutscenes on a regular basis.

>>386543686
>They have no idea what to do with the series

There never were any plans beyond 3 games at most. After 3, the developer team outright said that if there'll ever be another Valkyria game, it'll be something completely different. Because they felt they had done all they wanted with the previous setting and mechanics.

>>386543745
Long cutscenes could be fine - entire games are built as cutscenes these days. But that total lack of animation, the boring easy uninspired musou-light gameplay you're heading towards, the sheer ugly cheapness of everything, it's unpleasant to look at and you do a fuckload of staring at it.

>>386543916
I have no idea why they haven't just done a Valkyria Chronicles 2/3 Remastered.

Hell, slap the two of them together and release it that way, I doubt most people would buy VC2 by itself.

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>>386539364

>>386543923

Yeah, another thing is the combat. It could have really benefited from a hard mode or just some slight tweaks to make it flow better. They give you a lot of customization options to build your characters and different items and tactics to use, but at the end of the day you don't need half of them because just running up to things and smacking them with basic attacks works fine for 90% of the encounters. If they sped up the pace some and leaned more towards the real-time side battles could have been a lot more engaging.

Azure has a lot of ideas that are actually ok in theory but just handled terribly. Like if they disassociated it with the VC name and fixed the combat a bit it could have easily been a 7/10 or 8/10 game.

>>386544049

Seeing how they remastered the original out of nowhere, I'm not sure the possibility is entirely ruled out yet.

Well, after VR, it probably is.

>>386539434
That was a steady decline, with Sonic at least, I never got into PM. Valkyria Chronicles 1 was great and then immediately went to shit and just kept getting worse because nips hate when games do better in the west than their home country.

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>Mind Hack
>Time Travel
>Cheesy Cutscenes
>"Complex Motives"

What happened?

It could have been good. The devs seems like they honestly wanted to try something with this game, but they couldn't into real time combat at all, resulting in shit. Because that's the real issue of this game, the shit gameplay and clunky tech, not MUH SWORDS

>>386544049
>Valkyria Chronicles 2/3 Remastered.
They're working on it.

>>386541649
Valis was a side scrolling action-platformer in the late 80's to early 90's. It has devolved to being a hentai game series.

>>386539479

>have Valis SD for the genesis
>it's a fun action platformer
>played other entries in the series, all fun
>THIS

What the ever loving fuck were they thinking

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>>386539364

>>386544589

Did anyone play the demo before they made changes? Was it better or worse?

>>386544519
I couldn't deal with the shitty animations, it fucking baffles me, zero escape 1 had the best art and animations, VLR was sometimes stiff, but good

>>386544343
They didn't even do that.

The remaster was just the PC port released on PS4 because Sega of Japan is so ass-backwards they refuse to release their games on PC there. Japanese players were complaining about it when it came out here.

The executives in that shithole are killing Sega.

>>386544589
The good news is that it might be a legitimate remake. I've not played VC3 but I hear the small map sizes really kept the gameplay improvements from shining as much as they could.

>>386544519
Ravenous fans I think, personally he should have just gone on to write a different game entirely

>>386542978

What exactly is wrong with this game and why does everyone shit on it?

I've played the original two but never touched this one.

>>386539364
What?

Valkyria Chronicles was the game to jump the shark. It jumped the shark the moment you realized that the only way to get an S rank was to ignore all the enemies in a map and capture the flag as fast as you could - rendering every bit of gameplay, character interaction and strategy irrelevant.

>>386544519
The cinematic presentation, it wasn't at all worth it. Even if the animations and models were good it still wouldn't have been worth it.

>>386544709
>gameplay improvements
That's a funny way of spelling "gimmicks".

>>386544589
It could be better, but I find it rather quirky. Like a weird mesh of FF 4-9 mixed with Tales of with a little bit of Dynasty Warriors thrown on top.

>>386544709
I actually think the smaller maps give for better class balance or is everyone forgetting that the optimal way to play VC1 was just to scout rush?

>>386544796
how come the developers didn't even think that the players would exploit that? you could put a "clear all the enemies, or a certain % of them before picking the flag" and that's it, did nobody playtest that shit?

>>386544686
It was worse, but the gameplay system made more sense in general. There wasn't any awkward time stop for one.
They should just have polished that version and fixed it, but the nips kicked Sega's balls so hard they changed everything

>>386544907

It wasn't even a matter of exploiting it. If you wanted to clear most maps in a reasonable time frame and get a decent ranking, Scouts were your only choice because they were the only class that could make progress across the field without taking 20 years to do so.

1 was an unbalanced mess even without cheesing it. I won't say 2 or 3 perfected the formula, but they at least tried to spice it up by giving classes more variety and uses.

>>386539364
bioshock infinite
Lords of Shadow 2
The Wii U animal Crossing
uncharted 2

>>386544794
The gameplay itself was pretty good and fairly innovative, though not without problems. The problem was that it ignored the plot from 1 and 2 though that's nothing new in the series since 2 ignored 1's blatant sequel hook and completely changed the setting, lore, tone, gameplay, characterization, plot, and just about everything else. Imagine if you played Resident Evil 1, then 2, then 5 and you're pretty close.

>>386544709
VC3 was fantastic. I don't think the smaller maps were bad. Taking over bases by spawing behind the empire idiots by taking a route they didn't expect was great

>>386539479
Where can i get it ?

>>386544907
I have no idea. It ruined the game for me the moment I realized that was what they wanted people to do. Before that, I was going through methodically, working out where I wanted my squad, what directions to go, how to set them up, etc, etc, and kept wondering why I was only getting B or C ratings - then found out that S ranks also gave you incredible loot for their levels.

>>386545116
I really don't know what they were thinking with 1.

>jumped the shark
I never understood how that became a thing. Our ratings were the highest they have ever been when we shot that episode.

>>386546239
Didn't the speed ranking thing not even change that much in VC2 and 3? It's just that the maps are small enough that scout-rushing isn't the be-all end-all strategy?

>>386546409

It was more of the other classes not having the same utility as Scouts because they were so goddamn slow. You had to waste turns moving Shock/Snipers/Lancers forward just to keep up with Scouts which ended in maps taking longer overall if you tried to incorporate them into any strategy. So to clear maps quickly you had to rely on Scouts.

2/3 remedied this by buffing old classes and giving them more utility to get around while introducing new classes that could actually keep pace as well so you could actually move forward at a faster pace with things other than Scouts.

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Metal Gear Solid

Final Fantasy

Mass Effect

Dead Space

Yes, I am still mad.

>>386546409
Pretty much. Especially once you unlock some of the higher classes in VC2, mainly the Commandos.

While I haven't finished VC3 or played it in a while (though I do plan on finishing it), I have played enough of it to know that rushing the objective is suicide since interception fire hurts like a bitch.

>>386544654
>It has EVOLVED to being a hentai game series.
FTFY

>>386546679
>Final Fantasy
>literally every game after 6 is jumping the shark

Does it really matter if 15 is that different if they are all.

>>386546657
Basing rankings off speed alone was a mistake.

Advance Wars did it right, a balance between speed, effectiveness, and destruction.

>>386546745

This too. If you try to Scout rush in 3 you will get shot the fuck up.

>>386544682
Fuck man, don't remind me.

>Yeah dinos are cool, space is cool, so dinos + space = awesome, right guys? Right?

>>386539364
I just started this yesterday. The gameplay to story ratio feels MGS4. Are the VC games the same? I'm not really hating it so far, though.

>>386547193
No.

>>386546367
>Our ratings
go home old man

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>>386546759
Well XIII was so bad that video game version of this trope should be called jumping the Lightning. Also FFX-2,5 added in the remaster basically raped X so hard it's almost incomprehensible.

>>386547193

Thats why I dropped the first game, so I presume so. I actually liked the game, but the rest of it is so cringey, looooong unskippable filled cutscenes with childish anime tropes

I'll never understand how the first game, with its mediocre gameplay was loved so much. I tried to like it, I love strategy games but god damn it was a boring piece of shit.
>Make your scout get to the end in 2 turns
>A++ strategy!
>Leveling up is completely useless until you get to level 10 and 20 for the upgrades
>You have a ton of characters but only 4-5 actually do anything, the rest might as well be faceless grunts
>The only customization worth a shit is the one done to the tank
I remember getting bad scores even if I kept my damage to a minimum, flanked, and all that shit. Once I rushed to the end, I realized how much they had fucked up.

>>386546367
because it was super corny even for a super corny show like happy days. should have stopped when he jumped those trash cans

>>386547018

it was the turning point for CAPCOM, after that everything has been hit or miss for them

>>386547193

The cutscenes in Azure are more long-winded but there's about the same amount of playable stages between the two. Azure has more if you count in the free DLC stages.

The story in Azure is more interesting though, so that might make you tolerate the cutscenes better. Not saying it's a masterpiece but compared to the writing in VC1 there's a lot more to look forward to.

>>386544682
DC2 was worse than 3.

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>>386539364
>subtle John Hein thread

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>>386544519
>"I had the story for ZTD already done before the game was in production so I got bored and rewrote the story"

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Reminder VC3 is the best game and jew merchant is best girl.

>>386539364
>Console exclusive
>turns to shit

>>386544796
>that the only way to get an S rank was to ignore all the enemies in a map

You can't autistically clean up every map of enemy units, yes. But don't act like abusing game mechanics was the only way, because you can S-rank everything with--indeed--strategy and normal gameplay.