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So? Did someone already play this? Is it worth?

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So? Did someone already play this? Is it worth?
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Boring
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>>386538290

>asking /v/
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>>386538363

A played a lot of good games because of /v/ recommendations.
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>permadeath

interest went up atleast 30%
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>>386538415
Yeah but you're bound to uselget replies like >>386538324

and worse
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>>386538420
How much you wanna bet they'll patch in an easy mode?
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>>386538290
5/10, 6 if you like cinematic games.
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>>386538456
It is boring though
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Isn't this game basically a walking simulator with the occasional babby-tier melee combat?

Why would anyone play this?
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>>386538509
>they'll patch in an easy mode?
They'll patch in an option to disable it.
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OP here, what about this one?
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>>386538558
Normies love cinematic experiences.

Hell, I like games like TLoU myself but the general consensus on /v/ is that shit like that needs to stop.
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>>386538687
op there
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>>386538290
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>>386539146
I fucking keep misremembering his last name. And everytime I look at it it looks different.

wtf
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>>386538290
youtube game, wait a couple of days and watch a playthrough
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>>386538558
Funny thing is, if it were a walking sim, id buy it, but the babby tier combat makes me avoid it.
Sometimes i dont want intense experience, just chill puzzle solving or enjoying a scenery and atmosphere of the game. Walking sims arent bad, they just target another audience. I dont understand all the hate these kind of games get.
If you want intense gameplay obviously walking sims are out of the question, but hating them is like hating on a car racer game for not being an rpg
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>>386538290
If the astronomical levels of pretentiousness didnt tell you what you needed to know then the only solution for you is having it shoved down your throat i guess.
With that said, go ahead, its probably worth it.
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It's a walking simulator but with a twist: you're consistently being annoyed
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>>386538456
Fuck of Tameem.

>>386538558
Cause it has le permadeath. I swear to God people will actually buy the game because of it, took em like 30 minutes to add into the game and they don't even need to include challenging combat. Maybe Tameem is a genius after all.
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>>386538882
Tower, let's go!
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>>386539392
if you're solving puzzles then its not a walking sim, its a puzzle game. Just because its first person and has no combat doesn't mean its a walking sim.
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>>386538290
I really liked it, very well made and interesting experience
>>386538509
It's not a hard game, you'd really have to be shit at videogames for that to happen
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>>386538687
Looks cool, I haven't played it yet though. Give it a whirl and share your opinion.
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>>386538290
notice how a lot of the steam reviews have less than an hour?
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>>386539597
Woah, now I just HAVE to buy it!
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>>386539146
This fucking guy, man.
I work in the Cambridge game industry, and whenever there's some sort of local event, he always rocks up and has to be 'that guy'.
I met up with him for coffee once, his pretentiousness was insane. He has toned it down, though.
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>>386538558
it's because it focuses on le deep pretentious story xD
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>>386538290
If this game does well will they port Heavenly sword to PC?
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>>386539901
Ask Sony. Blocked
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>>386538290
Currently playing through it. The gameplay consists of pretty simple combat and running around matching runes to objects. Other than that the schizo/psycho thing is pretty cool, the lore and story is amazing if you're into norse stuff, the music and sound is top notch.

If you play it for the gameplay it's pretty fucking meh.

If you play it for everything else it's pretty good, especially if you are into norse mythology and lore.
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Can you name a game more cinematic than this garbage? I fucking doubt.
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nobody ITT has played it
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>>386539970
Last of Us
Metal Gear Solid 4
Max Payne 3
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>>386539931
I certainly hope you pirated it, anon. Games with mediocre gameplay don't deserve your money. You're propping up the ''''cinematic'''' games industry singlehandedly. If they want to make a Soulsborne clone, let them make a Soulsborne clone instead of this half baked terrible effort of trying to tie Dear Esther and DaS together.
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>>386539970
Remember me
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Sound like a fun game.
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Would reviewers even care if the protag was male?
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>>386539931
>Other than that the schizo/psycho thing is pretty cool, the lore and story is amazing
Yes, I bet it's absolutely Shakespearian.
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>>386540123
>>386540135
Well will you gamergaters fuck off already?
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>>386540057
>I certainly hope you pirated it, anon.
I did.
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>>386539230
I could have sworn that tameem's last name was antoniades
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>>386540162
dude Hamlet is a FUCK compared to this
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>>386540198
Antonidas
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It's absolute shit, the combat is garbage and the last boss is one of those cinematic
>Beat these simple enemies you've already beaten before in waves as we narrate epic dialogue this is so cool and w o W
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>>386539931

>playing a Ninja Theory game for the lore

Oh yes, Ninja Theory games have the best writing and the deepest lore.
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>>386540268
>>386539146
The Meem Antonidas.
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>>386540162
The whole game literally revolves around classic norse mythology. Are you implying that norse mythology and lore isn't amazing?
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>>386539858
>I work in the game industry
I would love to work in video games, can you get in me in somehow?
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>>386540329
It was, when it wasn't so overdone.
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>>386540170

>Go stand under a bee hive
>"Will you bees fuck off already?"

And why would we do that when we won?
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>>386540372
YOU READY FOR GOD OF WAR, SON???
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Downloading on PS4 now. Looks like it has PS4 Pro enhancements so that's good at least.
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>>386540416
>we won
lol you goobers accomplished nothing
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>>386540294
Bigger dick, bitch
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>>386540294
DmC has better story than 4.
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>>386540461
no it doesn't
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>>386540294
Is it Tameme's fault for agreeing to make a new DMC or Capcom's fault for pushing an important IP on a mediocre dev?
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>9/10 from IGN
And once again /v/ is WRONG.
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>>386540461
It honestly doesn't. Even DMC2 has a better story.
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>>386540461
Better story?
Sure.
Better writing?
Nah.
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>>386540329

Oh of course, you're right. Any piece of media based on Norse mythology is automatically good, regardless of the quality of the writing and other core aspects of the given media.

But remember, you're supposed to be over 18 to post here.
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>>386540490
They wanted to sell DMC's story for some retarded reason and sought out a western dev known for writing good stories.

Except NT literally hired ghost writers for all their games. THis is a fact. DmC is the first game that was directly written by Tam Tam. Can you tell?
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>>386540170
My girl friend andd all of her femal friends thinks is stupid and thier first thought was they put the femal protag tag there for lonely nerdvirgins to spank too. Its fucking retarded and assaults any normal persons rationale.
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>>386540294

FUCK YOU's aside, the writing is pretty good from what I've played so far.
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>>386540441

>literally spawned the alt-right

top kek
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>>386540606
Stop making stuff up dude, it's sad. You don't need to lie to us about having a girlfriend and friends.
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>>386540606
Well, too bad, she's butt ugly.
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>>386538290
Great game. sound deign is amazing.
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>>386540686
>great "game"
>the noises it makes are nice
lel
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>>386540606
Don't listen to the other responses, anon, they're all ''lonely nerdvirgins'', as you put it.
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>female main character
dropped
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>>386540686
>>386540703
>damage control
Hello, Tam Tam.
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>>386540490

Capcom's fault for wanted to do an edgy western reboot in the first place in stead of just making DMC5. Ninja Theory was just doing the job they were hired to do. And if you look at DmC in a vacuum, it's actually a decent game, it's only hated because it fucked up an established series.
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I miss DmC threads
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>>386540613

>Hi everyone, I enjoy eating shit
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>>386540709
>hast played the game
>meme arrows means its bad
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>>386540771

I think you misinterpreted my post young anon
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Why couldn't the Horizon chick look like that?
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>>386540737
who? fuck off with your e-celeb bullshit
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Imagine if you actually had to play a game to discuss it once is out.
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>>386540851

>Hi everyone, I enjoy the writing of this game with objectively terrible writing! I have shit taste in video games!

Better?
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>>386540885
He's talking about you, Tameem.
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>>386540416
>We did it le gamerboys xD
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>>386540938
Sounds horrible.
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>>386540938
>play
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>>386540981
you mean (you)
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>>386540549
I think you're misunderstanding. The majority of the things in the game are just straight up copy/paste of actual real norse mythology, both very well known stuff and also slightly more obsure stuff and then there's the baseline story of "muh husband" thing tacked on, which I admit is not that good.

What I'm saying is that the majority of it is not actual writing done by the developers, but real norse lore.
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>>386540885

>game developers are e-celebs

Kill yourself.
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>>386538290
It looks okay but I wanna know what it's actually like. Like, how is the game set up? How linear is it? Is there any replay value? Is it Souls-ish with a world to explore and items to find? Or is it just a linear "cinematic" story game where you will play once and enjoy it, but then never play it again?
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>>386540517
You're a fucking retard if you seriously think that.
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>>386540938

This is /v/ you dummy, let us shitpost about the new vidya while it's fresh, then you can talk about it in a week or two.
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>>386541143
say what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0otXs1LGcp4
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>>386541159

This I would like to know. I'd also like to know if there are plans for DLC and addons and so on. I'll get it now if I can know if it's a full product right now.
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>>386540329
It gets boring when everyone does it and no variation.
Give me Celtic/scottish/Irish mythos game already
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>>386540975

Nope, I only referred to DMC for the memes, but it seems you would rather be a sperg. Whatever competeition you think you're in you won! Great job!
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Ninja Theory has been fucking terrible for awhile.
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>>386538290
Ninja Theory never made a good game. If we were a music board and some shitty band released a new shit album every time would you still listen to them?
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>>386538415
name 1 (one)
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>>386540656
>>386540662
>>386540713
>having a gf is too unrealistic for these anons
Jesus christ.
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>>386538290
It's made by the devs who made Vergil shoot a pregnant woman in her stomach.

I don't think it's good.
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>>386538415
Yeah, but you probably missed some great games
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>>386541510
There's bits of stuff like that in this game too. I don't know too much about it, but there was something about Tuatha De Danann.
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>>386538420
>>386539731
>game has permadeath
>but is not hard
then...why?
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>>386541918
Permadeath? From what I read
>"the more Senua dies, the more corrupted she becomes, eventually leading to a full-restart game over."
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>>386542126
That's some way to stretch the play time.
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>>386542306
It seems to be plot related. It would not be the worst thing done to pan it out if that is the intent.
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>games are so fucking easy and casual now!
>here is a challenging game with perma death!
>wtf artificial difficulty bs!

Never change retards.
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>>386540294
DmC is the best western character action game and this can't be disproven
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>>386540294
Enslaved was underrated.
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>>386541918
Dunno lad
>>386542126
Yep that's right, if the corruption reaches her head she'll permadie
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Tbh, /v/ hating on anything without playing it makes me want to play it.
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>>386542662
That just makes it depressing
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>>386542716
Can you bring the corruption down?
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I first thought its a cheap Horizon Zero Dawn clone, but it looks like its far worse.
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>>386542739
game's on GOG, day one cracker.
The art direction is certainly interest, if the plot is good then it just might sort itself out, heck the first Nier is praised so much by fans that admit the gameplay being crap.

Given they actually collaborated with neuroscientists, people in the field and also suffering from these same problems there seems to be an effort to make it respectable and interesting and not just a gimmick, so who knows.
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Slightly interested, even if just for the fucked up atmosphere. I'm into that shit.

However if the ending is basically just "it was all just a dream and you were in your bed the whole time", then fuck it.
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>>386542897
Wouldn't a Horizon Zero Dawn clone be a post-apocalyptic game where the protagonist comes from a tribe-based prehistoric-like culture fighting mechanical creatures?

>>386543085
Well what can it be done? IRL these things are fought with medicine as far as I know.
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>>386542783
No, not to my knowledge at least
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>>386543223
>post-apocalyptic game where the protagonist comes from a tribe-based prehistoric-like culture fighting mechanical creatures?

I feel like I've seen a movie like that once.
Only that it was mutants instead of robots.
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Schizotypal here. It's representative of psychosis as much as modern Call of Duty is representative of actual war.

A real game based on psychosis would play like Metal Gear, except a bird makes eye contact with you in the beginning and triggers a 16 hour alert stage, but you cant let the game know you know about the alert stage or 500 guards will spawn and kill you.
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>>386543397
Planet of the Apes? Last man on Earth? Battlefield Earth?
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>>386543536
Damn you for making me check.
It's called "The Lost Future".
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>>386543530
They say this:

>"Through Wellcome, a global charitable foundation, we’ve worked with neuroscientists as well as people who have lived-experience of voice-hearing, visions and having unique beliefs. In particular, we've worked closely with Professor Paul Fletcher – psychiatrist and professor of health neuroscience at University of Cambridge – to understand the scientific foundations of psychosis and with a local recovery college group who have kindly told us of their experiences and helped us realise them in-game. This has done so much to not only help us make the portrayal realistic, but also rich and compelling. It would have been wrong to go into making a game like Hellblade without conducting proper research and we’re incredibly thankful to all of our collaborators in the area of mental health for the support and insight they’ve given us." https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/hellblade-ninja-theory-interview

(Why does Redbull has a game news section now anyway?)
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Just started. The fuckin binaural sound is amazing. Thisbis some impressive sound with my MDR-1A's. Also its omptimized pretty good, 30fps in 4k, everything max with gtx970 and fx8350
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i just want more playable girls so i had to buy this
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>>386544256
>30fps in 4k
why didnt you buy a console then?
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>>386544632
I have ps4 pro and xbone S though. The thing is its free on pc.
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>>386540294
that bullshit was the exception
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>>386544632

>implying consoles can even hit 4k
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>>386540725
>female main character
pre-ordered
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Senua a cute
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>>386544107
Rebull might as well make thier own AAA videogame at this point. They're in everything
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>>386545076
Did they pierce that guy through his butthole?
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>>386545076
muh dick I have a thing for white gals
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>Make a shitty walking simulator
>Call it "Hellblade" and say it has permadeath to make people think it's an action game
>Morons fall for it
Smart move.
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>>386544107
>game news section
Shit, I thought they are just about esports or sports-related games. That would've make more sense
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>>386538290
numale core
>ugly female lead
>"deep"
>"psychological"
>writing on high school student level
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>>386541651
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>>386544737
>pirating games on PC but buying them on Console

Thanks faggot
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>>386546660
>that qt3.14
>ugly
kys
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>>386546868
I buy exclusives mainly, its cool.
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is this a pc exclusive? can i make never ever threads to consolefags now?
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>>386548464
Its on ps4 too
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>>386548464
PS4 and PC. Kinda funny it's not on Xbone, Sony didn't pay for exclusivity only marketing.
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>>386541159
this
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>>386548673

Maybe it's easier to port between pc and ps4.
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>Ninja Theory


You do realize that games journalist in the West put Ninja Theory up on a pedestal everytime they release a game despite it being obvious that they put out mediocre trash.

>games have good graphics
>games have good story
>Ninja Theory is known for thinking this is all that matters when it comes to making games
>continues making action games with terrible combat instead of just becoming a failed movie studio
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>>386542662
DmC is only decent because of Capcom...Ninja Theory sucks at anything that isnt "OOO LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS!!!!"
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>>386538290
it doesn´t look much of a game.
more like a movie with a bad, pretentious story
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>>386548635
Looks like reaction image to me
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>>386538290
There's no HUD in the game. It's like a never ending cutscene. I'm autistic and it trigger me too much.
The story seems fine and I liked the girl, but there's too little gameplay. Sad.
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I was looking forward to this. I've only played the beginning, but it's been boring so far.

Other than some ASMR audio and decent graphics, not really a lot going on with it.
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>>386538290
7/10 If you like 25 degree fov and linear levels.
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>>386540938
Then there would be no discussion about this product ever.
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>>386540938
pffffft
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>>386555251
Totalbiscuit is so fucking terrible at games, his Shadow Warrior 2 review was awful, he just whined the whole time about loot and elemental damage while being terrible at the game and using the wrong weapons for the wrong enemies. No idea how someone can make a living with video games and be so terrible at them. His only positive contributions to gaming are
>whining about 30fps caps
>whining about modern military shooters
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>>386555251
why is he whining if he's already not interested and isn't going to play it? also what's with the implication that perma death is somehow anti-consumer?
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>>386538290
Yeah it might be worth watching a stream or watching it on youtube
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>>386555251
So much fucking egg on his face now, since the whole permadeath thing is a bluff.
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>>386556983
>So much fucking egg on his face now, since the whole permadeath thing is a bluff.
Eh?
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Just bought it on GOG.

>not supporting Sony
>not supporting Valve

feels fucking amazing
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>>386557046
the black stuff never reaches your brainz

>>386556398
its a person who argued chapter selection in a linear storydriven singleplayer campaign from the start is a great pro-consumer thing
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>>386557158
>supporting Poles
literally the worst Europeans
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>>386557046
The rot spreads to her head, but nothing happens no matter how many times you die.

It's all part of the psychosis, game tells you there is a mechanical threat due to failure, not actually true but many people believed it anyways.
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This game wants to preach about mental illness, so naturally the enemies give you pills that cause you to lose health (there are papers about it) and anytime you complain about this health loss you get locked up and tied to a bed.

Boring game, 0/10.
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>>386557221
Surprising
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>>386557158
>Paying for a cut scene game
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>Game releases
>The same day game "Critics" spoil the twist for a feature that the devs advertised as a trick, because they're buttblasted they outed themselves as casuals.
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>people defending ninja theory for being too lazy to implement a feature
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>>386557460
actually scratch that
>people defending ninja theory at all
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>>386538290
Depends on what are you looking. Not a bad "game", actual atmosphere, ambient, art and soundtrack are not bad. The gamplay is a little boring to be honest. Also, i don't understand how, but i manage to not die at the beginning, where you supposed to.(Cause yes, battle is THAT easy) Speaking of this... anyone else manage to survive that fight or I'm super special?
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>>386557551
>>386557460
I'll defend Ninja Theory if it means games "critics" get laughed at for getting ousted as being casual fucks that don't even play the game they "review".
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>>386555251
Permadeath probably reminds him of his impending one.
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>>386557221
so he basically planted his flag and declared that everything he likes and is convenient for him is pro-consumer and anything he dislikes is anti-consumer?
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https://www.pcgamesn.com/hellblade-senuas-sacrifice/hellblade-permadeath-bluff
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>people actually taking Ninja Theory seriously after they shit out nothing but bad games
Enslaved was fucking awful, not even the half decent story could save everything else in that turd.
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>>386557624
How did you manage to survive a fight in which you can't attack enemies? Why do you lie on the internet?
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>>386540461
DmC has probably the best story in the franchise. And the best writing. I mean... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qG4AlK1qk

Too bad that meme control the brains of sheeps. I mean... other than that magical fight, when the game tell the magic words "fuck you"? But still people... le meme
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>>386557956
I swear, i just dodged and then those smokey enemies disappeared. Is pretty strange that i can't find anything on internet... I mean, i know that i did.
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>>386540620
Isnt it the alt right that spawned gamergate
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Stop shilling your shit game Ninja Theory, no one wants to play this garbage.
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>>386558052
>start demon apocalypse where people obviously die or get hurt due to the demons going amok
>Vergil and Dante pat themselves on the back thinking they did any good

Only reason it's the best is because it's fucking retarded but not self-aware on how fucking dumb it is. It's sincere. It's something you point at and laugh.

>that one scene in DMC1 somehow represents every other moment in the numbered series' plot both sentimental or goofy fun.
>complain about DmC fuck you memers

Go kill yourself, you blockheaded cunt.
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>>386558760
I heard trump started GG to get himself in the white house
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>>386538290
Why does western devs refuse to make an attractive female protagonist?
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I watched for 10 minuets and almost puked, those fucking multiple voices are beyond uncomfortable and her face is uncanny as fuck.
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>>386540349
>wanting to work in the AAA industry
>when it's more jew-controlled, factory-like and politically-intervened now than ever before

Just get some friends and go Indie, anon. It's the closest you'll get to the AA sweet-spot.
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>>386540416
>journalist/publisher corruption still going on unscathed
>successfully diverted GG into focusing on SJW's and kids, gaining a bad name
>couldn't even stop said SJW's whom now every dev caters to

Anon I was all for GG's original purpose and even I can agree the industry has utterly destroyed you guys. You might as well be taking on Israel itself at this point.
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>>386540461
It had good ideas but the delivery was stale and tasteless.

Rare-aside, the UK just can't into Japanese-charm.
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>>386559048

They need to watch more anime.
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>>386540606
>le savage barbarian world
>le single strong female
>no good men anywhere
>le strong woman goes it alone
>*zoom in to show off facial expression*
>le strong woman is getting stronger
>*player model breathes heavily, now this is drama*
>she's celtic and gaelic and like, irish or whatever
>doesn't have an accent tho accents are creepy unless british or ebonic lolz
>also forget celtic mythos, let's jam like, Nordic shit in there, they had big wolves swallow the world or something that's metal perhaps we can all get tattoos of the wolf when we ship le game
<*protag continues making pained grimaces, we can tell she's hurting, she's persevering, even in the face of such a monstrous man world of hatred, she is bold*

So is the thought process like, "hype" the game, ship 100k units and bank on flash sales under 5 dollars in a few months? or do they just have absolutely no market data?
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Game appears to be dead on arrival.
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>>386538290
>cinematic experience
>game designed for youtubers
Watch a gameplay and call it a day. Not worth.
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>>386563997
The combat may be the worst I've ever seen. They should have just made this some kind of Until Dawn type game with smoother traversal.
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>>386556983
>Devs pretend to be retarded
>Somehow it's the fault of people calling them retarded
Yeah, They sure showed them all.
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>>386538290
It's unlikely you'll find anyone here who has played it anon.

It's sitting at a whopping 5k peak total players right now, 1k less than Yookah, and 7k below even Battleborn.

Evidently shit games don't go very far without Sony levels of advertising being tossed around.
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Just finish watching Cohh playing it.
Must admit, i would never watch/play fem prot game, but this game is just special in it's own way.
And fuck combat disscusion, it's about the story.
Deal with it.
*Flies away*
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>>386564712
HE'S TRYING TO ESCAPE

SHOOT HIM
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>>386563997
It's on the Steam top sellers list.
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>>386538290

Oh my God, this was not a good game. It was really, REALLY not a good game at all.

It's not like Dark Souls, not remotely. At most, it's like Amnesia with very, very rudimentary sword-fighting thrown in: there's a very small variety of enemies, and they don't really attack you in interesting ways. (Combat feels very floaty to me, but there you go.) Your main method of overcoming swarms of enemies - and there *are* swarms of enemies - is that after a certain number of parries, you can slow down / stop time, then you can run around doing tremendous damage to your opponents.

But let me get to the my main beef with the story. And it's a major one.

The ENTIRE adventure takes place in the heroine's head. That's it. That's the big twist. Nothing is real, and the heroine is simply crazy. To elaborate - She is completely delusional. You can basically ignore the entire plot until the end, where Senua's basically in Hell battling the final enemy: At this point, she's *aware* that she's delusional, which means that the final boss isn't especially representative of anything - It's sort of a metaphor for her myriad of problems.

Also, the battle is unwinnable. Effectively, you fight endless hordes of the same enemy types, and you keep fighting until you fall. After that, the final boss chokes Senua to death, and impales her on the Hellblade, 'killing' her. But as it turns out, the Senua you've been playing as is the deluded one: the final boss morphs into Senua's form, and discards her lover's head. Her entire journey has no mystical elements - She's simply coming to terms with her grief.

It's an extended metaphor. Also, the permadeath? It's a lie, the way the entire story is a lie. Senua's not infected with Helrot, she's crazy.
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Is there any rape scenes in this game? (particularly https://youtu.be/iAvgHU2lu80?t=241 as I can't tell).

Not trying to spark an SJW argument, just want to know ahead of time (in particular, because my wife wants to watch)
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>>386565362

Not that I know of, no.
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>>386564869
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>>386564582
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>>386565362
The monster's doing >imblied motions behind a struggling Senua who's laying on the ground.
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For anyone who doesn't know already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3sxy21j3k
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