How do you even defeat him early on?

NG+.

>>386486374
So how do speedruns work? Do they successfully challenge Lavos at the first possible opportunity?

>>386486504
In NG+ there's a sparkle on one of the teleporters at the fair. Touching it sends you to the fight with Lavos, which is winnable.

Any other various times you fight Lavos in the game can also be beaten, like when Chrono gets rekt by Lavos.

>>386486703
Should be noted, taking the sparkle with just chrono or beating lavos when he's summoned at Zeal leads to the dev room. Both are considered the hardest possible encounters.

>>386486504
They set up their team to be as strong as needed to take him on from from the bucket (while still underleveled), using a lot of rng manipulation. Depends on the category when and where it's done in the story

>>386487023
>>386486087
Just made me realize I've never actually watched a CT speedrun. Time to spend the next (?) hours doing that.

spikeman

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>>386486087
Use Yosho.

i prefer yosho

>>386486087
Reminder that Lavos did nothing wrong. He's a lifeform beyond human comprehension who uses a planet as food, spawns offspring, and sends them off to space. over the course of 65million+ years.

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two sides of the same coin

>>386487692
You now realize that CT was always a Lovecraftian Horror game.

spikeman

>>386487692
The people killing him did nothing wrong either.

>>386487692
>did nothing wrong
>emerges just to pelt the planet with laser fire
Stop being contrarian, dickweed.

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>>386487807
Humans treat Lavos pretty poorly.
>One civilization discovers him and uses him like some kind of magic battery till he finally gets fed up and destroys them.
>Magus summons him with intent to kill him for previous lashing out.
>Crono and crew find a time portal and discover Lavos does destroy the world...sort of. Death Peak is the final 'elder' stage of Lavos and the spawn would eventually leave the planet. It's assumed the planet would recover after but we never see if that's true or not.
>Crono and company go time hopping to disrupt timelines and make multiple attempts at Lavos's life. He kills Crono, only to have him brought back by more time meddling.
>A time machine is crashed into his face.
>You go inside him and kill him
>He becomes lost in the darkness beyond time and possessed by Schala or something.

>>386487994
Can someone post the wobbly .gif of the black chicken, please?

>>386487993
This morning you woke up and likely murdered thousands of dustmites when you walked around. If they were alive, wouldn't you be Lavos to them?

underflow his health

>>386486087
Yosho

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>>386487439
>head transforms into adult yoshi's

>>386487993
>>emerges just to pelt the planet with laser fire

Uh no, he sacrifices himself to help shoot his seed off into space

Whatever doesn't make it out of the atmosphere crashes back onto earth.

>>386488158
>Crashing the Epoch

You dun fucked up!

>>386486087
Knowing he's the thing on the left and not the alien in the middle helps I imagine.

>playing Chrono Trigger for the first time
>about 10 hours in
>get too busy to play it for a few weeks
>come back and I can't remember anything I was doing
>can't just restart because I don't want to sit through ten hours of dialogue I've already seen
FUck this

>>386490350
I played it when I was a kid and skipped a bit of dialogue that told me to got visit melchior. I traveled the entire world several times over before I just happened to go talk to him to buy an item i think.

>>386490350
Where are you? CT is a pretty linear game, we can probably get you back on the rails. What era, for starts?

>>386490350
just look it up. If you're only ten hours in you're probably still in the linear part of the game where you go wherever the portals take you and get stuck there.

>>386490587
>>386490518
yeah but I have autism and I want to appreciate it as a whole experience, now it's going to feel disjointed so I'll wait a year until I've forgotten most of what I already know

>>386490704
Youtube is your friend for this sort of thing. Watch one of the dozen letsplays out there and when it starts making sense again turn it off.

>>386490704
did you even go to ten million BC yet?
if not the story outside of the part in the future where you find out everything is fucked is just "let's beat up some monsters, guys"

>>386491242
....they do?

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>>386486824
>tfw I did it on PS1 years and years ago
It's still the only alternate ending I've seen to the game. I never had the gumption to get the others.

>>386492559
Only in his final form.

>>386493130
Oh right when he changes the background? I thought you meant like his actual starting encounter. I usually beat him through the 12000BC black omen and it dawned on me I never did it any other way.

>>386493360
From the wiki:

65,000,000 Prehistoric (Grassy ): Grandstone / Ultimate attack. This can do over 1,000 HP damage, enough to kill characters with low physical defense like Lucca and Marle, if unprepared.

12,000 B.C. Antiquity (Mammon Machine): Unholy Light / Slow: Does mediocre damage, but will inflict slow to those without or removed immunity from Lavos Pod. Do not take this lightly as the center pod can use Heavenly Tears and physical attacks more commonly.

600 A.D. Middle Ages (Magus's Castle): Game Over: A devastating attack that combines both physical and magical power. It can deal up to 1000 HP to everyone and ultimately wipe your entire party in one move.

1000 A.D. Present (Leene Square): Diabolic Whisper / Inflicts random status. Does very little damage, but can cause a lot of trouble to characters who lost their immunity from the Lavos Pod.

2300 A.D. Future (Ruined Site): Dreamreaver / Ultimate magic. This can do over 1,000 HP damage, enough to kill characters with low magical defense like Ayla, if unprepared.

>interested on Chrono Trigger
>hate replaying games back to back

>>386490492
When I was a kid, I didn't realize how to save the game. Spent days just replaying the fair and early bits of 600AD before I found out.

>>386493775
you could just play through and not fight Lavos until the end, and not do it again.

I've never played in as far as possible before fighting Lavos and always used the bucket at some point. I'm thinking I might do it after reading this thread.

>tfw didn't get NG+ after killing lavos the first time because the time seer's last hint was too vague and killed lavos by traveling to 1999

How was I supposed to know "one of you knows someone in danger" meant "go to black omen asshole"

>>386486087
PRAISE SPIKEMAN

>>386487692

Just like the people he kills, who also did nothing wrong.

Sometimes you gotta kill to survive.

nothin personnel, kid

>>386488257
Humans are selfish and think too highly of themselves. What else is new?

>>386488158
>It's assumed the planet would recover after but we never see if that's true or not.

That's not true. People in the future after the day of lavos are waiting for their deaths, basically.

>>386497449
The storyline in the future is literally about giving the survivors the ability to start restoring the environment and raising crops instead of living on ancient preserved food.

>>386497449
See >>386497729
The plant was growing. And if you happen to pop back into Tran(?) dome, you find one of the survivors ran across the lab 16 area to bring another seedline with him.

>>386497729
So Lavos didn't really destroy the planet then, just a large populace?

>>386493629
>65 bc

What? How can you fight him in 65 BC? I don't remember having a chance to fight him that early.

>>386486824
You can actually reach the dev room if you take the sparkle teleporter right after you and Marle return to the present. It only locks you out of that ending once you return her to the castle and start the trial.

>>386486087
That's a Lavos spawn tho. Just spam a single enemy double tech on the head and have the other heal.
t. I literally just went through this part five minutes ago because I'm replaying for the tenth time.

>>386488158
>one civilization discovers him
Actually, Lavos tempted Zeal subtly (mind tricks) so he could jump-start evolution again.

>>386489861
No, his final stage is that astronaut (or the left bit, if you're being technical). Lavos himself would leave the planet after that.

>>386490350
Look at the name on your save, it should tell you at what part of the story you're at.

>>386497449
That's only 300 years in the future.

>>386498157
He devastated the surface of the planet.

>>386498387
The Black Omen appears on every time period.

>>386498157
Lavos turned the planet into a broodfactory after it wiped out the surface. It did a lot of fucked up shit to the world when it surfaced. Including restructuring the tectonic plates (note how 2300 AD looks vastly different from the other eras that aren't 65mil BC) in a short amount of time. What wasn't destroyed outright in 1999 was leveled by earthquakes and other phenomena.

But, Lavos as we know him throughout the game, is either dead or gone at this point. Death Peak is what's left of his main body, the shell is massive now like a tumor on the planet and his spawn are growing to eventually leave.

My point was that it's implied by the game the planet would slowly recover and so long as humans held it together, the world would be OK again (also assuming you kill the mother brain thing so the machines don't go apeship on you) and population would have recovered. Killing Lavos realistically had no effect on anyone involved except maybe Robo.

tl;dr: You created a shithole world (Chrono Cross) trying to do the right thing.

>>386498983
Damn I don't remember this. I was pretty sure the Black Omen only went as far back as the magic nation.

>>386498983
*The Black Omen appears on every time period.
The Black Omen only appeared in 12000 BC. The part about the 65million BC "attack" refers to each time period you've passed - the more time periods, the more attacks Lavos has.

tl;dr Lavos will always have Grandstone, but not Dreamweaver.

>>386498983
>The Black Omen appears on every time period.
No it doesn't. The post you're replying to was refering to the final battle when Lavos shifts time periods.

>>386499152
It does. That list of attacks is based on how many time periods already passed - if you fight him in 12000BC, he'll only have two attacks, while if you fight him in 2300 AD, he'll have all.

>>386499139
No the shit developers created a shit game that made zero sense and that we pretend doesn't exist because of how badly it fucks up everything.

>>386499139
Lucca mentions in her diary "what if those people from deleted timelines came back for revenge" or something. I guess she knew they were doing someone bad.

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>>386499352
While the game was awful, the underlying premise (that every timeline you 'fixed' caused countless souls to be banished to a dimension so they can't create a paradox) was creepy with Lavos rightfully furious at the core of it, possessed by an equally angry spirit of someone you gleefully forget about during the game, despite all she did for you.

>>386499516
>It is true that, thanks to our altering the flow of history, we were
able to save so many lives and prevent so much sadness and suffering... But when you
think of it, we also caused the deaths of so many that were meant to have come into
existence in the time line we destroyed, and also caused new sadness and suffering
further along in the new future we created... That is why I worry that someone
might seek revenge on us for what we did. I have had a constant dread in my heart that
someone in our new future will travel back in time, just like we did, and try and kill
or capture my friends and me.

>>386499550
>possessed by an equally angry spirit of someone you gleefully forget about during the game, despite all she did for you.
She's the major driving motivation of one of the party members and you all blast off to the past to find her at the end of the game

>>386499714
No you don't. If you don't spare Magus there's no mention of her again. If you do he goes to look for her without a word (and this is what leads to the bonus content on the DS version, where Magus gets his memory erased and supposedly becomes Guile, but they cut that out of CC)
The gang goes back in time to look for Crono's mom when she chases a cat into the portal.

>>386499949
There's more content with Magus if you get him in the DS version? I might try to play it more this time then. I always started, and get to the future and get burnt out. I played the SNES version so many times,

>>386500119
Yea, it leads to a fight with the Dream Devourer, which is the protoform of the final boss from CC (Time Devourer.....or maybe I have those backwards. Doesn't really matter)
Save yourself some time and watch it on youtube, it's really only a bonus fight and some dialog that connects CC better...10 years after the fact.

>>386500119
Not just Magus. There's a whole new section that further ties CT to CC.
tl;dr The shadow that appears during that small cutscene in the PSX version ending is Dalton, he helped Porre defeat Guardia. An alternative version of Magus loses his memory and becomes Guile from CC.

>>386487692
he is a literal parasite leaching off the planets life force leavening it a husk of what it once was

>>386486504
you can skip lavos shell boss rush if you're not a pussy. You can kill his next 2 forms with a health over flow glitch but you need green dream.

>>386499295
You cant fight him in 2300. He's dead and Zeal doesn't allow you into the Black Omen.

>>386500728
If he were alive he'd literally be as massive as Death Peak. I wouldn't want to fight that Lavos.

>>386500910
So that mountain is his husk or soil that covered the husk? Is he that big when you fight him and we just see it's mouth?

What happened to the black omen in the regular timeline? It doesn't appear until you go back in time and, well, do nothing to alter the course of history.

>>386501149
The mountain is his husk post-resurfacing. It continued to grow and warp the planet for 400 or so years.

>>386501301
But they do alter history - several times. Originally Lavos must have just killed everyone and sent Janus to 600AD, and the Ocean Palace just never resurfaced.

>>386501687
HAHAHAHA, SUCK IT ZEAL

NOT SO SUPERIOR NOW, ARE YOU

>>386501301
In the pre-Crono team fucking with it timeline, the three sages, Janus, and Schala activated the Mammon machine in the Ocean Palace, which drew a bunch of power from Lavos and flung them all over time. The Ocean Palace never got transformed into the Black Omen because the party never powered up the Mammon Machine with Marle's pendant.

>>386502056
Oh and also to mention later fucking up the machine with the ruby knife.

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I claim this thread in the name of my Queen, Ayla

>>386503761
OOGA BOOGA, ME IQ OF A 2-YEAR OLD CHIMP

>>386503761
I ditched her the second i was able to choose other characters. Why would i want a shitter with no magic?

>>386504251
Because she's stronk.

>>386504251
End game golden studs.

>>386503761
When your great great...(this goes on for a while)...great great grandmother is hotter than you.

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>>386504251
>strongest character in the game
>is the only character that steals items from the enemies in the game
Bend the knee and propose marriage to your queen.

>>386504405
What level does she get them at?

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>>386503886
Silence, Marle.

You do not deserve Chrono as you are a betafemale.

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>>386504491
Not him but what if I'd rather fuck Robo?

>>386504604
Black Omen if you steal from the eye creatures. I think you can get steal some silver studs early on but I cant remember from which enemy.

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>>386504698

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>>386487692

Also, I forgot but, didn't humanity prospered and evolved thanks to Lavos?

Hell, it's a plot point in Cross I think, that there is an alternate universe where the Dinosaurs weren't cucked and now rule the Earth, right?

>>386503761
How does Crono blasting his beans in Ayla kill Marles future again? Because that wimpy kid needed to get dommed?

>>386504948
Ayla is Marle's great x2000 grandmother.

>>386490350
That's literally all RPGs Anon. Don't leave them once you start them.

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They're probably never going to remake this game, are they?

>>386500439
He was the reason humans stopped being apes and built civilizations

>>386504868
Yep. Humans owe everything, probably their survival in the future as well for Lavos helping them reach the techno-age, to Lavos. Without him, Lizards end up ruling everything.
Ungrateful fucks.

>>386505306
3rd party tried, Square shut it down for the shitty DS release.

>>>386488158
>he dindu nuffin, he's a good galactic parasite just bein oppressed by them damn humans

t. Lavos

>>386487692
>did nothing wrong
>murderers everyone living on the surface for no apparent reason

uhh

>>386505484
I'm glad you agree. I've always preferred the SNES version. The anime cutscenes in DS sucked.

>>386503761
>claimed a strong mate she rightly deserved
>stopped a weaker, undeserving beta female from spreading her genes
>actually cucked from life
>Ayla took and is wearing Marle's pendant while consummating her and Chrono's marriage
why is this scenario so hot

>>386505924
The DS had slowdowns and the extra content was pretty meh.

>>386506304
Because Crono is a mute so he can't consent so it's also rape.

>>386504251
>needing crutches instead of pure brawn

I bet you hated robo too.

>>386505746
>no apparent reason
It's feeding you retard

>>386506759
He was too slow

>>386486087
What a cute little porcupine.

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>>386506872
>he's a dex > strength guy

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>>386506969
If I'm fast i can do more attacks, meaning the enemy dies faster. My logic is flawless, doubly so since Magus had ** speed

>>386506872
>Hanging onto your speed tabs till you forget about them.

Ayla and Robo are god tier.

>>386507103
it was also a blind playthrough so i knew nothing about those two. Last time i used Robo was when i was doing all that shit for Chrono

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>>386499516
multiverse time travel theory is a bitch, only lucca had the brains to understand the ramifications of their adventures.

same shit happens in ecco the dolphin.

>>386500119
in the ds version they added a bunch of bullshit so chrono cross would make more sense.

>>386507495
CC definitely needs help making sense.

>>386507542
CC needs to be thrown out and remade. Who the fuck thought having over 9000 playable characters was a good idea?

>>386504948
because magically all the important rulers in chrono trigger were descended from/are ancestors of marle, including ayla. 65 million years of unbroken monarchy.

>>386507587
I'd appreciate a remake, just make sure the Music is properly handled. It was the best part of the game for me.
It did look phenomenal in 1999. Friend came back from Thailand with a Goldfinger and ton of pirated discs.

>>386507294
didn't she willingly sacrifice herself to stop the mammon machine? why would she be butt hurt about it?

>>386507587
>Who the fuck thought having over 9000 playable characters was a good idea?

it was a good idea, but they didnt make the characters mean anything or even have any meaningful gimmicks. just remember, if cross was made today, those 9000 characters would be p2w dlc.

what's up with the ayy lmao inside of the shell? Is that supposed to be the real Lavos or something?

>>386508331
yep lavos shell is a biological space vessel

Time Travel and omnipotent parasites are dumb plot lines

I haven't played in months and I'm completely lost I have 7 portals unlocked

truce canyon 600 ad
medina village 1000 ad
guardia forest 1000 ad
proto dome 2300 ad
bangor dome 2300 ad
mystic mountains 65m bc
leene square 1000 ad

>>386505924
Weren't the anime cutscenes from the PSOne version anyway?

Is the iOS port worth getting? I'm never on my computer nearly as much as I am on my phone and I don't feel like getting another DS

>>386510521
Talk to the guy in the End of Time if you're totally lost. What's your team so far? I'd guess you need to do 600AD, but i can't be sure

>>386500439
is it okay for me to kill you if I give you a thousand dollars first?

>>386499949
>and this is what leads to the bonus content on the DS version, where Magus gets his memory erased and supposedly becomes Guile, but they cut that out of CC
so they set up a plot that was cut from a game eight years after it was cut - what the fuck were they thinking?

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>That fucking ending where schala is mind raped for eternity and everyone forgets about her

Fucking square just had to ruin a good thing

>>386486087
lavos looks like a big hedgehog

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>>386488158
The sperm whale on Earth devours millions of cuttlefish as it roams the oceans. It is not evil; it is feeding. The same may be true of Lavos.
I would argue that Lavos has as much right to be here as we do.

>>386511616
>TFW you're a clone created solely to die in the place of someone else

fucked up

>>386511089
yeah it was 600 AD I just found the bridge with the hungry troops

>>386511769
if you were one of those millions of fish and had the opportunity to kill the sperm whale you'd damn well kill the sperm whale

>>386511769
He lost that "right to life" when he shot needle missles throught the world killing all life

>>386511703
that's his home

>>386493043
>I beat a snes game on the ps1

You're not special.

>played the game countless times since release
>completely sucking ass this playthrough
What the fuck. Is it because I'm forcing Crono, Lucca, Marle party this time? I almost always go with Crono, Ayla, Robo, which I guess was basically easy mode. And of course as a kid, I was a shitter who rented the game and just played NG+ off other people's saves

>>386511769
It's a parasite, foreign to the host. Lavos has as much right to be here as a virus does in your body.

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>>386488251
it's all yours my friend :^)

>>386488257
>>386511769
>m-muh scale
>h-humans are like ants if you really think about it
Fuck off retard. An atom is not the same thing as a quark, no matter how much bigger you are. Things are different, and although relativity and scale are useful tools understanding the world around us you cannot use them to pretend that two things of differing kinds are the same. Even if you could somehow put "advancement" on to some sort of actual scale and see if lavos is to humans as humans are to dust mintes (clearly not since a couple humans kill him). Such a shit meme.

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>>386507294
Chrono Cross is really asking the player to swallow a lot to believe this is Schala

Anyone else think it's awesome how you get introduced to the end dungeon halfway through the game.

>>386504671
Not just marle, but all of the zeal royalty wouldn't exist either. That means killing best girl, and best boy, so fuck off with your gay cuck shit.

>>386486087
Cheats

>>386512061
Crono/Lucca/Marle is hard, but not as hard as Crono/Marle/Frog.

>2 elements.
>1 combat neutral character.

Every fight is a chore. Plenty of heal but no fucking damage.

>>386511769
Difference being that the Sperm Whale isn't destroying it's habitat in the process.

>>386505306
>that stupid fucking face on Chrono

>>386512224
flube

Could a fully realized Lavos defeat Cell?

>>386513134
Both are planet breakers but I think Cell's regeneration is far superior.

>>386513134
Depends on the parameters of the fight.

I wonder if Cell could even penetrate Lavos' outer shell.

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>>386513321
>fly a makeshift time machine/airplane straight through it
>"I wonder if Cell could manage to break though this thing"

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>ywn date Queen Samele Creojeanne Zeal, marry and become Schala's and Janus' stepfather

>>386513438
In that case Lavos could be defeated with a mere cruise missile.

Also you are forgetting the nature of his magical defense. His abilities are more in line with Majin Buu than they are the physical capabilities of the Androids.

>>386513134
Cell is significantly stronger than a planet buster who is significantly stronger than a planet buster who is significantly stronger than a planet buster who is significantly stronger than a planet buster. His power level simply makes no sense.

>>386513581
And yet Cell would be unable to defeat Buu.

>>386513748
Since Super is canon, none of Dragon Ball power levels will ever make any sense. 17 is now stronger than Super Buu because fuck you, that's why.

>>386486087
>tfw pixel art is a lost art nowadays
It's gone the way of Japanese woodprinting.

>>386513837
Buu shitting on power levels made sense because his power is derived from magically-altered Ki, much like how Gohan's was when he completed his Mystic training. Goku was only able to keep up because his strength far outstripped even that of Majin Vegeta, which was roughly the power level that Majin Buu had before being magically-altered.

Mystic > Majin > SSJ2.

Simple. People who complain about power levels are retarded babbies who cannot appreciate what was actually going on in that arc.

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rate my wife

>>386514417
You know flea is a man right?

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>>386514567
flea is a beautiful feminine girl (fleamale)

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>>386514567

>>386486087
Yosho must travel back in time to 1999 to stop the spikeman.

>>386511616
Square ruined it by making CC be fucking tied to CT. I would be fine with CC being its own separate game

It makes as much sense as it being revealed that the resident evil series is the prequel to final fantasy

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>>386503761
Jesus christ

>>386513134
Here's a hint: If you have to ask/wonder if someone can beat a DBZ character or not, they can't.

Only literal god-level comic book and VN fuckheads can beat DBZ characters.