Let us talk about the worst healing system of all time.

>>386377003
Demon's Souls is worse because you can stack 99 of every type of grass

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Let us talk about the worst heating system of all time

>>386377185
>objectively more convenient
>worse

>>386378307
>easier means better

>>386377003
how was that garbage even allowed? why ruin the estus flask system?

>>386377003
Witcher 2

>>386377003
>use item
>recover health
What's wrong with it?

>>386378517
>die to a boss
>you now have to farm the healing items before attempting again

>>386377003
>get hit
>can get health back by playing aggressively
Nah, you just bad if you keep poppin' vials till you don't have enough.

>>386378764
That was only an issue on the first few bosses. After that, you'll have more healing items than you'll ever use just by exploring (as long as you're not a shitter). I assume you're still at the beginning?

>>386378764
>dying to a boss

>>386378908
yeah I'm at gascunt

>>386377003
>of all time
Far from the worst of all time, there's barely even negative status effects to worry about. I can't even tell if you mean it's bad because there's too many health items and you can use them quickly when needed or if you're a scrub who keeps running out. In the end, if healing is bothering you, consider not getting hit in the first place next time. If you want to know what true suffering is try an older dnd/wizardy game. Souls games are atleast nice enough to give you a healthy stock of healing items early.

>>386378764
>have to farm healing items
You don't need them if you don't get hit, just run past everything and fight the boss until you're good enough to beat him that way. Souls bosses are easy if you just learn their moves, how to avoid them, and when to attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOh5vyBvffw

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>>386378764
>He had to farm for blood vials

t.Turtling Dark Souls shitter

The game gives you multiple ways to regain health and/or vials without having to actually spend blood echos on them. You're shit at the game. Go back to wearing full Havel's and chugging through hits like a bitch.

>>386377003
Why did they make this game only 10 days?

>>386378968
Yeah, I figured. The first few bosses are pretty close to each other, so you don't have much area to explore and don't have many healing items yet. But after that, the bosses get a lot more spread apart, so you're going to be spending a lot more time fighting normal enemies, most of which drop one or two healing items. Some even drop more. Just keep playing.

>>386379394
Yeah, I'm not gonna quit on anything, but the extremely short distance between Cleric Beast/Gascoigne is very weird. Did an entire area get cut or something? What the hell happened?

>>386378307
You're practically invincible with 99 Dark moon grass

>>386378908
In that case, what's the point of making them finite? Is it purely for making the early game more difficult? It might as well work like Estus.

>>386378764
>shitter being shit at the game

>>386380560
>i completed a souls game without ever dying to a boss on my first run
said no one
ever

If anything, the fact that it was basically an instant heal was the worst part about it. I don't recall ever getting punished using a blood vial like you could with the estus flask.

>>386380773
you can get your blood vial heals parried

>>386378517
Blood Vials aren't bad. Its just Estus was a great healing system

>>386379565
Cleric Beast is an optional boss and the first area is a dense city, so naturally things are closer together.

>>386380437
>Is it purely for making the early game more difficult?
Looking at this thread, it seems like it worked. The first area of Bloodborne incl. Father Gascoigne is a pretty good casual filter.

>>386377003
You're the worst healing system of all time

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>he still isn't gud at souls games after DeS, DS1 and 2
>he doesn't know you can just load a cloud save to avoid refarming

The only hard bosses in the game is Martyr Logarius and the macaroni monster

>>386378968
>Casual filter makes casuals complain

>>386379565
The door behind Cleric Beast was supposed to leas to lead to the next area but they didn't do it. Maybe technical issues.

>>386382041
FRC HMPH is probably the hardest.

>>386378307
Something tells me you think dark souls 2 is the best in the series

>>386382041
>save scummer talking about gitting gud

>point out a flaw in bloodborne
>"w-well if you follow a guide you dont even need to heal LOL geet gud!"
do you fags think this invalidates the shit design somehow?

>>386381810
absolute madman

>>386382365
that doesn't really work here in a game that autosaves every second and still requires getting gud to progress

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>Bloodborne
>Paleblood
>Old blood
>Vileblood
>Blood echoes
>Blood vials
>Blood bullets
>Blood gems
>Blood shards
>Blood stones
>Blood rocks
>Beast blood pellets
>Cold blood
>Ritual blood

>>386382510
fucking this

every soulsfag always uses a guide or video

>>386380667
Died a fair few times to certain bosses like BSB on my first run, never ran out of blood vials though

>complete first area without killing the boss
>30+ vials
>complete boss, level up and buy vials with leftover souls
>complete old yharnam and boss
>already up to 60+ vials because every enemy drops them and multiple world loots give 5+

wew, hard right

>>386377003
Will PeeCucks EVER recover from Bloodborne rofl?

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Why is BB's healing bad when it's an incentive to give it your all each time to prevent loss while DS just has infinite healing?

>>386377003
Objectively wrong

>>386382510
You just need to stop dying. Even if you'd have infinite vials shitters would farm to level up.

>>386382643
>Everyone who isn't as bad as me uses guides! Or cheats in another way!

>>386382564
>Blood dregs
>Bloodlevel
>Bloodletter
>Blood starved Beast

>>386382946
Shitters complain because they need to farm, gud players and PvP players complain because the heal is almost instant and allows errors.

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>>386378764
>"Why can't the game give me all my healing items for free?"

It's called punishing you for being shit. They don't even take long to farm or cost much to buy.

If you're complaining about that, then maybe you should play an easy game.

Like Dark Souls.

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>>386377003
Oh hey are you that same guy that whined about vials a couple weeks ago. Then when people said they finished the game blind with like 200-ish vials, you called them liars, and said it was literally impossible to have bloodvials left over.
Because you remind me of him.

>>386383231
>>386383194
>"git gud!"
literally not an argument
got anything to add that actually has value and meat to it?

>>386383265
No I just wanted to have a Bloodborne thread.

>>386378307
I think you you're mixing up convenient with unnecessary.

Bloodborne is fast paced and so is the healing system. If you die continuously then you can go and buy some vials from the vendor and they are also very quick to farm. I've never understood this complaint. It's upkeep, just like in lots of other games.

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>>386383265
>>386383231
>>386379170
>>386378827
y-yeah, well try to DEFEND THIS, PS4 drones!!!
actually I still really like BB anyway

>>386383624
SPOOKED

>>386378517
This. It's the same bog standard mechanic used in almost every game featuring healing items and you guys are retarded.

>>386378764
You can store 99 blood vials and they're dropped commonly by most enemies. How often do you die to bosses m8?

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>>386383310
>telling people to practice and get better isn't an argument
Would you like me to coach you step by step on how to play the game? List all the shortcuts, and tell you the move sets of all the enemies? Because me and everyone else in this thread played the game one their own, and turned out fine. Why can't you?

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>>386383310
Sure.

Read: "It's called punishing you for being shit. They don't even take long to farm or cost much to buy."

You're complaining about a menial task meant to frustrate you when the simple method of buying vials cheap as dirt exists so you'll play badly and end up using more.

The game rewards skillful gameplay that results in the use of fewer vials.

Literally anyone that complains about the vial system is bad at the game and theres nothing you can say that will dispute this.

Fite me.

>>386383938
>99
You mean 600 right?

>>386383310
Try to remember enemy movesets. Use the items the game gives you (throwing knifes and pebbles to lure instead of fighting 1v20). Read item desciptions they often give tips ( beasts, who are the most early game enemies, are weak to fire and serrated weapons ). Explore the areas there is an item in Yharnam that makes Gascoigne way easier . Use rallying. Learn to parry, maybe train with weaker enemies. Don't be shy to upgrade your weapons (a mistake I did), all the weapons you find are viable and you will find many upgrade materials.
I hope this helps.

>>386383624
>Bloodborne isn't flawless
We know. There are also plenty of errors of this kind in other Souls games.

>>386383938
I'm pretty sure it's 600, not 99.

I like the vial system a lot, if only because it encourages going forward instead of backtracking if you're good enough.
In Bloodborne, you start an area, kill the mobs, gather the vial loots spread around the map, open a shortcut near the end and get to the boss arena with full vials, so you go ahead for a try.
In Dark Souls, by the time you get to the boss you have no estus left so you have to go back to the bonfire, then dodge all the mobs on the way to the boss, which kills the tempo of the game.

>>386384090
wtf there was a spoiler on the beasts weakness info

Did they patch the game or something? Since when can you put more than 20 vials in storage?

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>>386384081
Haven't played Bloodborne in a while my bad. Still validates my point.

The only time vials are a problem is in the early game where not many enemies consistently drop them and you don't get many echoes to buy them. Only time I had to farm was when I got my shit kicked in by the Cleric Beast and Vicar Amelia. After that I never ran out, and I usually had enough leftover echoes from leveling to keep on stockpiling.

>>386384165
but if you are good enough you wont be using all your estus when by the time you get to the boss.

>>386377003
Farming Blood Vials for an hour everytime you play, die to bosses or face a tough level is abhorrent design.

>>386383938
*600 not 99 sorry

>>386379570
>practically
You ARE invencible having that many, no enemy or player can outpace your healing, they can only fuck up and then get punished for it or nothing at all will happen if both have it

>>386377003
If you honestly believe the Estus system would've been functional in any way whatsoever for Bloodborne then you are definitely a DS hide-behind-shield-shitter that could never adapt to the more aggressive style of BB combat.

>>386384375
Going into a boss with 2 estus is retarded. If you had estus reloads at bonfires + estus pickups I would find it perfect, like in Nioh.

>>386384284
20 on your person. There is a box in dreamland that holds the extras you pick up, and you can put up to 600. Also whenever you leave the dream zone your character auto fills up on vials/bullets. I didn't know there was a box until NG4 of my first play through.

>>386382041
>logarius
>hard

you literally just kite him around the fucking pillars, how is that hard?

>>386383231
The games punishment for being bad is dying.

>>386384764
You can die 100,000 times in a soulborne game and still complete it.

It's not a punishment at all.

>>386383231
the punishment should be resetting your progress via death (and consequent respawn at the nearest bonfire/lamp)

>>386384397

>Farming blood vials
I am still amazed every time I see this complaint.

Do people actually perform so poorly that they 'run out' of blood vials after the very early stage of the game? It chucks so many blood vials at you that it's insane. You should be sitting on literally hundreds of them by the time you're in the midgame.

Do you just chug 20 every attempt at anything? Are you tanking hits and not even bothering to even try to learn movesets at all?

Really though; I think I 'farmed' maybe 10-20 blood vials pre-FatherG on my first blind playthrough from the werewolves on the bridge just because I liked fighting them.

The only time I ran 'dry' on vials was somewhere in the later chalices (FRC maybe?).

I just can't fathom how incompetent you have to be to run into the need to "Farm" Blood Vials. Blows my fucking mind.

BOTW's healing is much worse

>>386384593
i mean, if you arent bad you would be getting to the boss with a majority of your estus still there because you arent getting hit often

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>>386384919
It does that? What are you talking about? Do you mean like picking up items, and shortcuts resetting? Because that would be shitty, and not fun.

>>386384917
You die and start over that is the punishment, forcing you to farm easy mobs, is a time waste and does not teach you how to proceed, which is a flawed system, which is what this thread is about.

That you want a pointless time waste as a punishment is irrelevent.

>>386385220
No retard, like Dark Souls does it. Losing healing items and forcing you to grind monsters to get them back is just tedious punishment on top of regular punishment.

>>386384965

There are only really 2 sections where you have to farm vials: the blood-starved beast and orphan of kos.

>>386385220
The boss resets, you start from scratch at that particular sequence(the boss).

>>386384965
Not all of us are perfect le epic memesters. People die and the game forces you to farm, which as I said is abhorrent. Dark Souls was objectively a masterpiece and then they fuck up one of it's core tenents in a mediocre exclusive. Terrible.

>>386385280
>forcing you to get better (I'm not saying git gud because it would hurt your feefees) is bad
I know already that you will either not complete chalice dungeons or summon for them if you keep that attitude.

>>386384965
You have to be fucking stupid to be unable to imagine people faring worse than you.

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>>386385280
>>386385307

It teaches you to try harder so you don't have to do it again.

It's literally the definition of a punishment.

If you want the game to hold your hand by giving you your healing items for free then you're literally saying the game should be easier and if you want the game to be easier, it means you find it difficult.

Ergo: Git gud.

>>386384354
yeah once I realized there was a storage, I spend any blood echoes i had leftover from levelling on stockpiling vials, just because I never wanted to attempt a boss fight with spare Souls that weren't from that attempt

>>386385307
If you ever run out of vials you are absolute shit at the game. We've already established that in this thread.
I bet you think we shouldn't have shoelaces because some people have trouble with them.

>>386384682
the fuck? I platted the game and I didn't know that

>>386385280
>forcing you to get better
Farming blood vials does not make you better at a boss fight.
It's like you fail a math quiz, and you're forced to hammer nails in a wooden board as a punishment before you can go back to studying.

>>386378215
Underrated post.

>>386385938
>>386385567
>>386385670

>>386377003
If you completely run out of vials and die, you should automatically be given 10 instead of having to farm more. Problem solved.

>>386384589
How does reducing potential farming hamper Bloodbornes's aggressive gameplay?

You do not have to farm blood vials at any point in the game and I will not hear otherwise

>>386378476
At least is not full of casual shit like W3

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>>386383231
>It's called punishing you for being shit. They don't even take long to farm or cost much to buy.
That kind of punishment is bad. It doesn't encourage the player to try again and overcome the challenge. In fact, the game makes the player do boring and repetitive tasks to be able to try again, and this can led to make the player drop the game due to boredom.
Needing to farm to retry shouldn't be defended ever. In fact, the only ''argument'' you guys use is telling the ones who complain to fuck off because in your eyes they must be bad.
Shame on you for trying to feel superior by defending a flawed mechanic

tfw i didnt realize there was a storage system so i always topped my vials off at 20 every time

It's because bloodborne doesn't have as much things to spend your souls on so they needed something to make souls still valuable outside of leveling.

>>386386121
>DS hide-behind-shield-shitter
He's calling you a pussy anon.
You don't need to farm in the first place if you sack up, and fight the enemies aggressively. You know, like a "hunter".

>>386385832
If you die or go back to the hunters dream it will fill up automatically if you have vials left. I also realised it pretty late that there is a storage.
I remember being pissed off when I got vials instead of bullets when I already had 20 vials and had less than 20 bullets, vecause I thought I'd just get nothing then.

>>386386352
Same here

>>386386121
The ganme wants you to rally your hp back instead of chugging vials what you do.

>>386386406
Real hunters wait for their prey and are cautious.

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This is the shittiest bait thread Ive seen today

Congrats, you shit flinging apes, I take break from you

>>386385481
>>386385620

That's the thing; I performed mediocre. Competent, but not amazing; clearing bosses on the 3rd or 4th try, just going in blind, learning movesets. I never ran out of vials. How is it possible that people felt some grim need to farm huge amounts of recovery items???

Just learn the boss movesets and kill them without blowing 20 vials per attempt? I don't get it.

The game doesn't "Force you" to farm anything. There's no need for blood vials at all really, most bosses die very quickly once you understand them and their moves.

>>386386331
By your logic all games should be able to be beaten by 2 year old children, because "sometimes the really retarded 1% has difficulty. So we should give the game an unnecessary safety net to help them out."
No. If the game had the same estus system as DS then it would be ridiculously easy, and the 99% of regular players would hate it.
Next you'll tell me that everyone in a competition should get the same trophy, because it's unfair for that little fat kid who barely tried.

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>>386386352
>mfw I played for 40 hours before I realized there was a box inside inside the house of the hunters dream

>getting 6 (potential) vials takes maybe 2 minutes if you do it right and perfectly visceral the big guys near the lantern
>dying to a boss
>with 20 vials
>not leveling VIT for the first 20 levels
I'm glad people like you aren't shitting up /bbg/ and are shitting up /v/

>>386387012
You missed the point. What I defend is that the game should let you try again everytime you want to overcome the challenge. Not having to farm healing items doesn't make the game easier, it just makes it less annoying. The boss is exactly the same and the difficulty doesn't change. You still must beat it by learning how to play correctly in order to progress.

>>386387696
I never leveled VIT early game. Mostly built up STR and SKL to 50 each and still got through the game with no issue while leveling up Stamina, HP, Bloodtinge, and Arcane every now and then.

>>386378827
>play like a retard
>game rewards you by giving health back

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>Bloodborne could easily be a full scale franchise on it's own
>forever a oneoff spinoff
I know people say "It's not fair" for a lot of things but this really warrants a It's Not Fair

>>386378764
>dying

>>386387829
But by doing that you lose any stakes, or risks in the game. The game has no impact if the only punishment is you reset a boss. Part of the fun of BB is that you're always on your toes, and you know you can't just fuck around and eventually win. The game tell's you "get gud, and learn how to fight, or sit there and grind like an idiot." Its similar to hollowing or embers in DS. If you suck ass at the game, and don't get better then you don't have the privilege of that bit of bonus health.

>>386388154
I'd rather have it as a one off than see it be run into the ground by tryhards.

>>386388675
What the fuck are you gibbering about. BB literally encourages you to fuck around if you lose boss fights because who would go into a boss that beat them with no healing items?

>>386387829
The problem is that you play it like a souls game. Learn to use the raly system instead of backing up to heal every time you get hit. You're supposed to be aggresive in this game, since you are the hunter, not the prey.

>>386389379
Maybe it is for the best

>>386378764
>being so fucking bad that you had to farm blood vials
how is that possible lmao

>>386389948
>look mommy I can read a guide/walkthrough so I can tell people on the internet how good I am!

>>386389758
>>The game has no impact if the only punishment is you reset a boss.
>encourages you to fuck around if you lose
>if
>i
>f
Try reading my post again. You must have missed a bit.

>>386389379
>implying it isn't run into the ground by tryhards and the autistic sony fanboys

>>386390137
>implying you need to read a guide to know that hey, maybe you should buy some blood vials every now and then instead of spending all of your echos on leveling up constantly because blood gems make a noticeable difference to your offensive power
hurr

>>386390219
>my only defense for a downgraded system from older system is to just play the game perfectly the first time so you never have to engage with it

>>386390137
>game gives you 20 blood vials
>20
>blood vials
>you somehow manage to die
>you don't even need a guide to learn how to dodge and bait obvious attacks and learn patterns
>complain on the internet for free (yous) and the attention of being called garbage which you are

>>386390137

>look mommy i'm dogshit and anyone who isn't dogshit is cheating!!11`1`1`11``112`11`1`1

>>386390227
The core game can't be run into the ground with changes due to youtuber and tryhard complaints and suggestions because no one had played the game at that point.

It's why DaS3 was so bad.

>>386390274
>>386390358
>>386390492
t. triggered retards that had guides open the entire time or played the game once when it had the memory leak that turned the game into easy mode

>>386390353
>Nice English btw senpai
Also I did, and still do die all the time in BB, but I have never run out of vials. You need to be ridiculously bad at the game to run out. I died like 50 time to Ludwig and still never came close to running out.
Just stop spamming them every time you get hit like a retard, and you won't run out. It's not the same as Estus, so stop treating it the same.

>>386390810
I played 100% blind on my first playthrough and didn't even own the game until about 3 months after The Old Hunters came out.
What's your next line? I'm running out of charity (You)s to give.

>>386390810
>needing a guide when you have 20 vials
what's your excuse you fucking scrub?
That the game didn't hold your hand?
That you got fucked by flailing at a boss's feet like a retard?
That the game was "too hard" because you have to take a few minutes to reflect on why you died instead of running straight back to the fog?

>>386388675
There is impact. You lose your progress and your currency (this one is good because it tries to avoid overleveling), but neither of those things makes you do boring secondary tasks if you fuck up.
Also your comparative is bad, because hollowing and embers are in no way as essential as healing. Making the player grind while they are learning for a basic game mechanic is bullshit.
If you like so much risks, why shouldn't the game incorporate a mechanic where you lose levels and items if you die? What if the game deletes your last save if you fail? All these are obviously terrible ideas, but somehow farming vials not. Where do you draw the line?

>>386388154
>wanting a repeat of DS2 in BB

>>386378968
after you kill him

use the souls to buy blood vials as opposed to leveling

you should be set for the rest of the game because those vials will give you a ton of cushion room

>>386382905
the irony being that if they actually had a chance to play it they'd find out that its not what sonybros hype it up to be.

>fight boss with 20 vials
>get fucked up because fuck it I got 20 vials
>fight boss with 4 vials
>become an untouchable god because I know I have no safety net

>>386377003
>finish level
>cash in your echos on levels
>buy bullets and vials with leftovers
>by end game you should have 200 vials stored
Its your fault you didnt do this. Vials are much better system than estus because it both adds tension to the game with non renewable supplies and also allows you to continue to play without resting

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>>386377185
If you're getting ganked by enemies, those 99 grasses won't do much good

>Invade world with 2 flasks
>Host and summons have a total of 8 flasks on top of healing miracles

5 games in and they still didn't get it right.

>>386390810

t. Person who legitimately believes everyone is like them; either blatantly incompetent and inept with no hand-eye coordination whatsoever, or cheating and looking everything up as they play

You should realize a lot of people just aren't garbage like you are. Souls games are absolutely ruined by looking things up, but they're also ruined by summoning help, and plenty of other choices you can make.

You seem like the kind of retard that slaps on the heaviest armor possible, chugs OJ every 5 seconds and just absorbs every hit throwing a tantrum and your controller when you die, rather than just putting in some attempts and learning a boss.

Go back to WoW you fucking retard.

>can literally recover health by hitting the enemy

Bad kiddies general?

>>386378764
The only time this will happen is if you're trying to play the game like Dark Souls and back off after every hit or if you're at the very beginning getting your shit pushed in by Gascoigne or Blood Starved Beast.

>>386391060
>implying you'll die if you flail at a boss when the game gives you health back for mashing R1

>>386391161
Vials aren't technically necessary either. Just use the rallying system if you're so inclined. Where do you draw the line at something that is 'necessary'?
Also if you ever took the time to look at this thread the majority of people find blood vials to be fair, and fine. A game gets "too hard" when the community as a whole decides it is.

>>386377003
It's only bad in the beginning, once you can get souls out the ass it's easy to get, but it is one of the reasons I don't replay the game.

>All these Souls fags actually defending this shit

Go suck Miyazakis dick some more you cancerous faggots

Unless this is your first "Souls" game I don't get how you'd be bad enough to hate the healing system or need to farm when you can stack 20+ 40% heals on top of runes that also heal you for set amounts during viscerals AND rallying.

>>386391797
>This retard thinks that being decent at a video game and adapting means we suck the developer's dick
How about you try getting better at the game before whining like a little bitch, anon?

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>>386391797
>Go into a BB thread
>See tons of people talking about how much they love BB
>Get mad about it
Why do people like you even come to this site?

Inb4 b-but you're mad tooo

>>386392000
>git gud

All you fucks can respond with is memes. If someone doesn't love your precious shit games it's just "dude git gud lol". Fucking kill yourselves. All of you.

>>386392170
>being this angry at video games

>>386391797
Has anyone ever been so bad at a game that they just disregard replying to people and start shitposting lmoa

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>>386392170
(you) seem upset sir

>>386392170
We respond with memes because you don't listen to critical advice and instead bitch and whine that the system is dumb when in fact, you are.

>>386392154
>make a thread about how a part of BB is worse than the same part of another game
>no one has a real argument
>just "WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH UR JUS BAD"

>>386382564
Imagine if every other item in DaS had the word "Soul' in it. That's what BB's naming convention is like.

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IM NEVER GOING TO BEAT BLOOD STARVED BEAST

>used up all my vials
>don't want to fucking farm for more because I'll waste them anyways
>out of antidotes
>don't want to farm for more
>try to just beat him with no consumables
>breaking my spirit even more

FUUUUUUUUCK THIS GAME IVE BEEN AT IT FOR MONTHS

>>386382717
>Died a fair few times to certain bosses like BSB
How to people die to BSB? I killed it first try and I'm shit at Bloodborne.

>>386392473
>dodge to his left
>hit him
wow, tough boss, anon

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>>386392364
>Inb4 b-but you're mad tooo
Like origami

Disagreeing with someone isn't the same as throwing your little baby boy shitposts

>>386378215
DELETE THIS

>>386392473

Parry him. Almost everything he does is parryable. Just shoot at him a lot when he's lunging at you. Don't backstep, walk directly towards/away from him, or strafe right.

Just kinda... walk to the left, stab him to death, shoot some bullets when he charges around, and uh, stab him some more.

He'll die.

>>386392415
I'm surprised there hasn't been a "Soul Starved Beast" boss yet

>>386378764
>farming at all
>nu/v/

>>386392527
>second portion of fight
>dodge to his left
>hit him
>poison builds up at lightning speed
>die of poison

yeah no. I cant even count how many times I've gotten ridiculously close to killing him but then die of poison

Fuck this game, not even demon's souls gave me this much fucking trouble

>>386392686
I'm out of bullets too

>>386392756
>dying to poison
Dude, come on, that shit depletes your health so slowly you can take at least 2-3 full bars of poison before you fucking die
All you have to do is dodge left and a bit into him and fucking hit him. It's not hard anon.
try doing it with a tricked chikage, then talk to me about depleting health

>>386392849
How the fuck are you this bad at the game?

>>386382319
Not him but DaS2 is the best in the series.

>>386392914
>>386392914
>>386392914
>>386392914
>>386392914
Simple, they're not willing to learn how to play, would rather bitch at 4chan for (you)s than listen to advice

>>386392567
>n-n-n-no one can reply to me because le meme text

>>386391739
>Just use the rallying system if you're so inclined
I agree in part that the rallying system works fine with smaller enemies, but not with bosses. Most of them attack with long attack chains so it's very unlikely you'll be able to recover your health just by hitting him back, you'll probably need to dodge leaving you with a small chance of health recovery. That's why vials are necessary.
>Also if you ever took the time to look at this thread the majority of people find blood vials to be fair, and fine. A game gets "too hard" when the community as a whole decides it is.
First of all there isn't a huge majority.
Second, I don't consider that the system doesn't make the game too hard, just boring at times if you need to farm
Third, people should be able to question things whether the community shares that opinion or not. That was the point of this thread, shitposting aside
Fourth, you know perfectly that the souls fanbase are overdefensive with their games and accept very little criticism.

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There was maybe 2 or 3 times in the game where I actually ran into sub-20 vials (this was when the box cap was at 99 too) and yet didn't have to go and farm any. How? By not fucking spamming them when I knew I couldn't afford it and saving all the coldbloods for situations like these instead of popping them like heroin the moment I got one.

In short; get some insight you beastly retard.

>>386393031
>I have no argument and must shitpost
Someone ban this (you) starved beast

>>386391291
That wouldn't be so bad.

>>386378764
The bloodvials come back after death you fucking retard. If you run out and need to farm for them then the game is telling you to put the controller down and play something else that's easier.

>>386392912

>implying tricked chikage doesnt outright decimate everything in the game; Chikage build run i did was by far the most op PVE run i can imagine

Chikage edgesword is easily the best pve weapon. 50 BT chikage draw-attacks, CRF ogres and amygdalas don't know what to do

>>386393172
dude i can do it at bl20 and maybe 5 vials down
why can't he with 20+

>>386393302

Its' just movesets and practice. People don't do either, they just farm (You)'s on /v/ because they dont want to play the game, they just want to bitch about it

i am too lazy to read so i'll post my opinion and get lost.

first, i am not casul(sounds like smt a casul says) but you need to keep this in mind for the following post.

so, if we look objectively, there are places for farming, just soul farming and buying works too. and while i was playing, including the dlc and bullshit of kos, worst enemy of camera if you play locked, i didn't run out of vials. does this make the system good? nope, its stil shit.

estus had a system. you have x flask, you need to go this long. make that long with that estus. repeat till boss. in bossfight, you need to use limited estus for a bossfight. simple. instead of re-skining this shit, they made it drops. it has a limit so it isn't that bad, but still, for the sake of "originality", is it worth it? no, in my opinion. just add the fucking blood flask mate. re-skin it somehow, you have that creativity. casul or not, estus was an ok system

>>386393075
>doesn't make
*makes

>>386393546
what the fuck are you trying to say

did you have a hemorrhage before writing this post?

>>386393546
>in bossfight, you need to use limited estus for a bossfight
Every single fucking person on the planet just rushed to the boss with full estus if they didn't beat it on first try.

>>386377003

I personally preferred Blood Vials to Estus. The reasoning is that I felt a bit more of an RPG vibe from it; you had an inventory to manage, bullets, vials, and other items to deal with.

I don't dislike inventory management and some sense of farm; whereas in Souls you just always have your handy healing right there, despite everything else. DS1 had a bit heftier inventory management with various demontites and colored shards, but I feel generally that 'streamlining' is bad. Complexity is good; inventory management is good. Learning what enemies drop useful quantities of items is good. Having to kill those enemies to make fights easier (see: fighting with 20 vials instead of 0, or 5, or 10) is good. You give players flexibility.

Good players can kill every boss with no vials.
Somewhat good players might need a vial here or there.
Mediocres can get it done with the 20 vial max, and they can farm these and still get where good players get through diligent inventory management.
Shitheads will be playing hello kitty.

>>386393954
Is that not what we are fucking supposed to do in both souls and bloodborne?

All these armchair game designers giving their opinions make me cringe. It's a good system on a masterful videogame, which at WORST (if you suck mad dick at the game) takes 2 extra minutes off of your life. 2 minutes you would have otherwise spent sucking dick at the game (hence why you needed to go farming in the first place)

Farming vials is ok in your first playthrough, once or twice, for the major bosses, but seriously, if you have to do it more than 3 times it's just you sucking dick.

>>386378215
oh god anon... i think im gonna hurl... thats to brutal

>>386377003

Just buy the fucking things on the regular and you'll never run out. Got souls left over after leveling up? Dump them into vials. Running a little low in general? Skip a level or two (one or two points in a stat doesn't mean shit anyway) and buy a few dozen of the things. Ran out of all of them, got your shit pushed in, and have no blood echos at all? Time to dust off those blood echo items. Don't have any of those either? Revisit the beginning of the game where every second enemy drops like 3 of them.

The game gives you so many fucking chances here, it's pretty stupid how often people bitch about running out. Heaven forbid you use those "souls" on anything other than level ups.

>>386392705
The shitty pink hollows are pretty much soul starved beasts.

>>386393546
> i didn't run out of vials. does this make the system good? nope, its stil shit
Finally someone who understands.

>>386393962
Inventory management in BB is a huge nuisance, mostly due to the long loading times.

The blood vial acquisition feels more like useless padding rather than a meaningful mechanic

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>>386386682
This desu

>>386378764
You can kill almost anything that's not a boss without using a vial because of the rally mechanic, if you are not a fucking retard you'll learn pretty fast that the vials shouldn't be used as Estus

Here's how to git gud at this game.
It's how I got gud.

>play and defeat Cleric
>defeat Gascoine
>defeat BSB
>right after you beat BSB get chalice
>start chalice dungeons all day long
Literally that's how you do it. You'll not only boost your levels fairly quickly, but also boost your skills. Hell, there's a specific dungeon where the aliens are. It's the one where you'll have to fight Ebetrias. You can do nothing but farm blood and echoes there. Literally about 150k or so echoes in just the first part doing nothing but killing aliens and two werewolves. They take like two hits to kill, too.
It's literally that easy.

Even after doing this the game is still somewhat tough in certain parts, but you can floor through it fairly quickly. All you have to do is try.

>>386377003
Dude just don't get hit

>>386391582
They did get invasions right.
They just slowly stopped getting them right.

Dark Souls 2 and 3 got upset that people invade ever so they tried to balance it, when they really shouldn't have.

>>386385337
>le orphan of kos is tough meme

kys

>>386395196
Do the Chalice Dungeons get more fun the more variants and depths you unlock? I just killed the Pthumerian Descendent in one of the developer dungeons and I'm not enjoying them as much as the basic game, boss battles aside.

>>386395641

No they don't really get 'better', but they are the real end-game. FRC Amygdala and Pupper are the actual 'hardest bosses in the game', by a long stretch.

Depth 5 chalices are on level-par with NG+.

>>386395808
Fair enough. I was planning to slog through them for the gems anyway, so fuck it.

>>386388102
If you play like a retard you either don't notice your health returning, miss the opportunity, or die before you even got that chance

>>386396487

Yeah. Chalices exist for challenge and for gems. There's a unique boss at the end too that is considered story-related. So there's that.

But yeah FRC Depth5 is "Endgame" Bloodborne.

>>386391582
Hey buddy, you got all the npc enemies and any other invaders on your side; it's not even the point of the game, it's just a bonus feature.

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so my history is
>play through half of demons souls
>play through half of Dark Souls
>play all of bloodborne
>play all of Dark Souls 2

i gotta say, as a fan of action games, Bloodborne was definitly the best.
i consider the orphan of Kos fight the best fight in the entire series because it requires you to take advantage of all the things you have learned throughout the game
>parrying well
>back visceral attack
>dodgin
>rallying
>timing, attacking
i fucking loved that fight, granted other fights are also really good due to athmosphere and visuals.

also bloodborne only had like 3 bad bosses (excluding chalice dungeons) wich were Celestial Emissary and Living Failures (wich dont really count cause they are followed by another boss right away) and The One Reborn (too easy and forgettable)

i didnt like Dark Souls 1, i did somewhat enjoy Demon Souls but didnt have the appreciation / understanding back then on how to play these games.
Dark Souls 2 i finished because it was pretty easy goin and kind of an okay RPG with lots of content (only the DLC was challenging, wich was also the best part of the game)
making parrying fun and rewarding and removing the easy backstabs is what made Bloodbornes gameplay so much better than the souls games.

>>386384354
I spent days collecting vials in the town (and when I got confident enough got several from those ogres surrounding central). It was mostly me leveling up at the start of the game but I steadily built that shit up. There were sometimes in that very beginning where I had less than 20 while collecting echoes but by the time I reached Cleric Beast and when I fought him later after dying I never had a vial issue

>>386395641
The developer dungeons are incredibly awful and samey despite being developer dungeons. Then again nearly all chalice dungeons are awful and samey. Remember, that besides the Beast Claws, there's nearly no worthwhile loot in the developer dungeons and you should pretty much lookup some guides on how to get through that crap as quickly as possible once you start getting bored.

If you do go through the full slog and aren't incredibly sick of it after your blood gem farming, consider looking up the few interesting chalice dungeons for special challenges. Like challenging the wandering pupper in the oil lake or a dungeon full of various hunters.

>>386378215
Looks like a pipe organ