heroes of the storm

>actually playing Little Tykes My First Dota

>>386376823
>DoTA
>Good
At least shill something respectable like LoL if you're going to shit up other peoples threads.
>>386376737
Quickmatch is kinda shit desu

>>386377081
>LoL
>respectable
Here's your pity reply

>>386377081
LoL has no purpose.
if you want an engaging, complex game, you play Dota.
if you just want to waste 20 minutes, you play HotS.

>>386377920
>best moba in the genre
>most popular game ever created
>best characters

>>386378506
>best moba in the genre
Opinion
>most popular game ever created
Stats don't exist to prove this
>best characters
Opinion

>>386379030
Not an argument.
The facts speak for themselves. Your opinion doesn't invalidate those facts.

>>386379816
How is telling you you haven't provided an argument not an argument?
>Your opinion doesn't invalidate those facts.
What facts? All you've done is cry "wahhh I like it and it's popular so it's automatically good"

>>386380016
>League isn't a popular game because I said so!!!
Are you delusional or just stupid?

>>386380107
When your argument is "League is a popular game because I said so!!!" you can't expect anything greater in response
On top of that, popularity does not equal quality

>>386380294
>popularity does not equal quality
>It's not a quality game because I said so
Amazing.

>>386377081
>>386377920
>>386378081
>>386378506
>>386379030
>>386379816
>>386380016
>>386380107
>>386380294
>>386381931
>try to have a Hots thread
>Dota and league shitters argue about who is the best at a shit genre

EL oh EL

>>386381931
>Meta so forced it's literally built into the matchmaking, only one lane layout and team comp strategy allowed
>Samey cookie cutter champs designed to plug into specific roles
>Have to unlock characters, characters have to be samey and streamlined for this to not make it pay to win
>Snowbally as hell due to everything having damage scales, CC being weak, and items having reverse slot efficiency

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>>386376823
Dota's shit.
It's dated and bloated now.
That's why they keep cutting features.
That's why it's mostly Russians, BRs, and trailer park trash now.

HotS is at least moving the genre in new directions. Trying new things.

No more 20 minute farm phase where you play footsies trying to last hit.
No more supports falling behind and carries getting all the exp and loot so they can go supercarry.
No more playing the same map 10,000 times.
No more tedious item shop. Now you get talents to spend that typically offer meaningful buffs to a hero's unique abilities instead of boring "+10 agility" style buffs for all.

Everything about HotS is better than Dota at this point.

>>386376737
Play Unranked Draft

>HotS is just Dota without all the boring shit /v/ dislikes about Dota clones
>still hate on it
Really scratches the noodle.

Only casuals like this game. When you start trying to play this game in a competitive setting you see how shit and unbalanced it is.

>>386383336
The only thing I hate in HotS is that you can't solo carry, if your team is shit you'll be shit because of the shared exp system

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>>386383336
>Only casuals like this game
Is that supposed to mean anything?
>Oh no, please don't think I'm a -casual- /v/! I promise I'm hardcore! I'm really hardcore! ;_;

>>386376737

I feel you but we'll probably timezone clash anyway.

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>>386376737
>2017
>still playing mobas like HoTS, Dota, LoL, and others, where a single retard on your team can cause you to lose, effectively wasting your and your teammates' time because the only thing you can "learn" from that kind of loss is to stop playing these kinds of games.

I don't understand why people would play this shit over Smite or Dota.

>>386383660
If you're not playing to win you're a casual. If you try to win in this game you see how unbalanced it is

>>386382995
The problem isn't that HotS moved the genre in new directions, it's that it also butchered all the depth and interest out of the game in addition. If there was an assfaggot that lots of maps and took emphasis off of farming but actually still had deep combat and actual solid strategy to its play, I'd be all over it. Unfortunately HotS wanted to move in new directions but also appeal to the mainstream. Blizzard literally markets it as a casual pick up and play game, so this really can't be argued.

>>386383056
Are you high? HotS is everything /v/ hates about video games. It's an existing game concept but streamlined, simplified, made to appeal to the masses, casualized on every front. It's basically the PC equivalent of normie-trash mobile games.

>>386384403
>my choice of shit game of a shit genre is better than yours!!!

>>386384395
I play HoTS because it's not LoL and i don't feel the pressure of "We must win this game or else" from playing lool of leyends.

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>>386383548
>>386383336
I made GM a few seasons back solo carrying on specialists.
Just split pushing all day, unless the enemies send someone to block me, then I went to the objective or ganked another lane.

As soon as enemies have to leave one back to stop a push you could snowball to victory.

My best Hero was Abathur because you could locust one lane, hat another, and spam mines around a teamfight to fuck over enemy ganks and escapes. Plus you could ult in and initiate for free because your clone isn't a real kill.

By halfway through the game, the enemy team would have to have someone on 24/7 locust extermination duty or else risk their forts dying left and right. But they can't catch you, because you've mined every approach to your nest and you just burrow to a new position when anyone gets near. While they're cleaning up the lane, you're pushing in a new one.

And when the next objective spawns and two of them are defending your push, you're free to ultimate evolution into the 4v3 to make it a 5v3.

Repeat.

I had a 70% or so winrate on my trip to GM on Abathur, but I liked Azmodan more. Just keep Generals up in empty lanes and harass with talented SlamJam to keep the enemy distracted and fighting for the objective as your buffed minion waves take a fort.

>>386384483
>If you're not playing to win you're a casual
You still haven't established what that actually means or why anyone should give a shit if you call them a casual.

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>>386378081
>if you want an engaging, complex game, you play Dota.

>>386384563
>I can't accept that my game is objectively terrible so I'm deflecting!

>>386384575
Are you OP? OP was complaining about retard teammates, so he obviously wants to win.

>>386384661
Try reading past the first sentence in that post

HOTS and Smite are objectively the best MOBAs

Which isn't saying much, I know

>>386384694
What game? I told you all mobas are shit. Learn to read you fucking idiot.

>>386384784
I read the post, I'm not disputing the imbalances in the game, all these games in the genre have shit balance. You still haven't explained what calling someone casual has to do with anything discussed in the thread.

>>386384887
>Learn to read you fucking idiot.
How about you learn to read and see that I'm calling you out on your bullshit

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>>386384690
>Oops! I don't like that objective, undeniable fact so I'll reply to it with le epik reaction image because it's physically impossible for me to actually dispute it!

>>386384978
>I'm calling you out on your bullshit
How'd you call me out when I don't like a single moba at all? lmao you're a fucking retard
>>386384694
>>I can't accept that my game is objectively terrible so I'm deflecting!

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>>386384507
What can be argued is the usefulness, the validity, of the "complexity" in Dota and its clones.

A lot of them originated as bugs fans came to exploit too much to risk removing.

Some mechanics originated as little tricks for the no-lifers who had 1,000+ hours played who needed new shit to do in Dota 1.

A lot of tedious shit like pulling camps to lane and courier micro are gone, but I don't think it makes the game any worse.
I think the gameplay is actually almost as complex, but just more accessible, so players can learn the tricks intuitively, instead of only after reading a guide.

Additionally, many complexity mechanics are talents, meaning the unskilled player can pick a different talent and lose some complexity but still gain some power in some area.

HotS has entire heroes designed for the "complexity" player, and heroes for the 8 year old.

Someone who likes complexity can play Alarak and force shove themselves around and bully in lane and combo his ults, etc. Someone who cannot handle that can play Lili or Valla or something and still be competent in their job, even if their hero has a lower skill ceiling.

Because not everyone plays at the skill ceiling.

>>386384936
>all these games in the genre have shit balance.
Not an argument. That doesn't mean HotS's balance can't be even worse.

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>>386385089
>triggered Dotard is triggered

>>386385119
>How'd you call me out when I don't like a single moba at all?
Do you not know what the word "bullshit" means?

>>386384832
>*points fingers authoritatively*
>THESE pieces of shit are better than AAALLLLL the other pieces of shit!

>>386385232
Good one, mate, you sure showed him ;-)

>>386376737
If you play this instead of Dota 2 you don't belong here. Reddit is more your speed I think.

>>386385308
A solid, healthy turd is better than runny diarrhea but ultimately still shit

>>386385204
>deflecting
>calls a non argument a non argument
Okay?

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>>386385232
>still no argument

>>386385303
So what did I say that's bullshit? Nothing I said is untrue
If you can't answer me, you just proved 100% you're a retard.

>>386385436
>So what did I say that's bullshit? Nothing I said is untrue
Continuing you have no idea what "bullshit" means
Why would you be in this thread if you didn't have one of these games to defend?

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>>386385409
Dota is trash that only neckbeards and South Americans play

There's your argument m8

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>>386385824
Fuck yeah, gonna be fun

>>386385534
>Why would you be in this thread if you didn't have one of these games to defend?
To shit on mobas or did you not read my first reply, hmmm?

>>386385824
No. His kit is fucktarded.

>>386385824
Boring toolkit. You can tell they put all their dev time into the Overwatch heroes and everything else is just a half baked mess tossed off the line so they can pretend they don't favor OW.

>>386385575
>Dota 2 has 800k players daily
>Blizzjew won't even post their numbers for any game
Neckbeards and South Americans are better than literally nobody.

I love Hots not bc its a good game or i even play it. Its a good containment game.

>>386385929
>or did you not read my first reply
You're not a very bright guy, are you?
I don't understand how this is such a hard concept for you to grasp

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>>386386081
>If I call my competitors jews, then I win the argument

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>>386377081
>LoL
>respectable
This is legitimately funny to read.

>>386386105
The only guy who isn't bright here is you, seeing as how you I set you off. LOL seeya bitch

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Boy howdy I sure do love Heroes of the Storm right fellas?

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>>386386212
>still hasn't come up with an argument to why dota is bad

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>>386385824
>excited
>for a blizzard game
They don't know how to balance for shit, the character will either have 100% pick rate or he will have less than 45% win rate.

>>386386298
>oops I was wrong, better say something snarky and leave the thread
nice

>>386386212
>Pay for heroes
>No jewish

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>>386386363
>slow
>clunky
>half the characters are edgy demons from the tryhard dimension
>game is visually a clusterfuck
>game literally replicates engine limitations from WC3 to appease neckbeard fanbase

It's a bloated mess, and now it's trying to rip off HOTS talent system, very poorly I might add

>>386387114
The HOTS talent system is trash to be honest, I like Dotas spin on it much more.

>>386387114
>HotS invented talent trees

>>386387317
Dota invented grappling hooks and empty bottles

>>386387114
>slow
wrong
>clunky
As much as every game in the genre
>>half the characters are edgy demons from the tryhard dimension
Such as Riki? Or Juggernaut? Oh right you must surely be talking about techies.
>game is visually a clusterfuck
As bad as every other game in the genre
>engine limitations
it's called balancing

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Heroes of the Storm needs yordles

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>>386387657
>slow
>wrong

But it's super slow

>>386387861
Yordles belong in the trash.

>>386387861
old poppy had a better personality, new poppy is a shitty moeblob

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>>386387861
We have a qt gnome

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>>386388209
I don't even play the game

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How insecure are Dotards and Lolbabs?
Jesus Christ.

Abathur is surprisingly a ton of fun.

>>386388412
>combing furshit with midgets
absolutely haram

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>>386382995
agreed. i have 5k hours in dota and i moved to hots. my biggest gripe about the game is that it's on battle.net and not on steam...

>>386387864
Fix your shitty ping

>>386377081
Dota's the better game, I play LoL because it's more arcady and at 24 I'm not looking for too much depth to a game unless I have time to get good at it

>>386376823
Dota is little Tikes RTS, but blame others when you lose:Faggot edition

Thanks for making comeback mechanics a main thing you stupid useless bitch

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>>386388538
I'm ok with fur too

>>386387398
what are you getting at

>>386388898
>every game that isn't an RTS is shit because it isn't an RTS
love this meme

>>386388958
Blizzard literally invented talent trees

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>>386389031
don't worry, every rts that isn't broodwar is shit because it isn't broodwar too, so we have arrived at the proper conclusion: everyone NOT playing broodwar is a casual and you can all stop arguing

I'm amazing with some characters, but I'm pretty sure it's just those heroes being overpowered and not my skill.

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>>386386029
And I can tell that you're completely full of shit
>everything else is just a half baked mess tossed off the line
Oh so Malthael who was so broken that he can be in a 5v1 scenario and survive is just a half baked mess tossed off the line? Go be full of shit in another thread

>>386387114
>slow
The game has the fastest kill speeds in the genre and TP scrolls make it fast and mobile
>clunky
Opinion
>half the characters are edgy demons from the tryhard dimension
Meanwhile half of LoL's characters are edgy Sasuke-wannabe assassins or generic boobie monsters
Cosmetic character design isn't a factor of gameplay quality
>game is visually a clusterfuck
Any game you're not familiar with is visually a clusterfuck to you
>game literally replicates engine limitations from WC3 to appease neckbeard fanbase
Incorrect

>>386376737
>getting paired with tards
you are the only constant bro

>>386389430
>The game has the fastest kill speeds in the genre

lol no it doesn't

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>>386389615
>has the heaviest CC
>basic abilities knock off 1/3 of a health bar in the early game
>can teleport into any fight or push and add even more to the kill counters

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because hots has the better waifus

>>386385824
im gonna be throwing shitters into the enemy team all day and theres nothing they can do to stop me

Why do people actually choose to play Blizzshit games in 2017? It's like playing anything from Tencent.

Are you poor cyber cafe dwelling asians or something?

>>386389743
It has longer CC duration because the game is slower-paced dipshit

A 2-second stun is an eternity in LoL for instance

>>386376737
try Hero League, it can sbe terrible, but that's probably still 100% better than quickmatch

>>386391348
That makes zero sense, CC duration isn't what game pace is scaled off of
The longer CC makes for higher kill potential which makes the game more aggressive and speeds it up

the only thing i miss about dota are a lot of humorous builds like dagon sandking, and fun items like force staff.


also probably match making too, qp can be really fucking dumb but at least the games are usually 16-20min

>>386392038
oh yeah ranked is so fucked up too, im pretty sure it has a grand total of 500 players, all my placements are usually 7 game losing streaks. it's very streaky, no idea how people grind to masters.

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>>386385824
Fuck him

Still watining for a decent Gul'dan skin.

Everyone has been asking for a WoD one ever since he was launched but knowing blizz we will get a clown skin instead.

Either that or that shit from hearthstone (pic related), would be ok actually.

I'm nearly level 100 and all I do is play beginner mode solo vs bots.

>>386385204
>That doesn't mean HotS's balance can't be even worse
But that's wrong. LoL has infinitely worse balance that has been shit since season 3 and rather than try and change it they've said that the shit balance is the way its supposed to be and kept piling more shit on top of it.

>>386386029
>Boring toolkit
And its still super fucking good for a tank. And the OW team is different from the HotS team and it shows since balance changes actually happen somewhat frequently and you can see more than six heroes in ranked.

>>386376737
I'm good at it but I uninstalled because it suffers from the overwatch syndrome. You can do so much to put your team in a better position to win the game but still lose because your team is brain dead

>>386384632
Rick James?

I've got hundreds of hours in dota and lol, picked up hots recently and I'm never going back.

All the other mobas are about building characters over 45 minutes through a bunch of complicated item/levelling systems just to have a few team fights. Hots skips all that shit and is just about team fights. Frankly, It's the most fun I've had in a moba

>>386394236
Now if only the teamfighting was actually deep or enjoyable

>>386394305
>deep
How is it any less deep than other mobas? If anything there's more character variation and spells that move your enemies than the other mobas so fights are better.

>>386391768
The longer CC is to compensate for the overall slower pace of the game

>>386394649
No it isn't. A two second stun feels long in LoL because it's longer than the game's average stun, not because all the other mechanics surrounding it are faster.

>>386394236
I feel there is more consistent fun in HoTS, but there is definitely more fun in an evenly matched dota match. The meme that all you do is build characters in dota is ridiculous. You could easily get a fight every 1 and a half to 2 minutes.

DoTA even took a page out of HOTS and added 'hot spots' besides runes for people to congregate and fight over.

>>386394583
>How is it any less deep than other mobas?
It's mainly due to how much survivability there is. The game doesn't have as much for nukes and burst and the CC feels even weaker than in LoL.

>If anything there's more character variation and spells that move your enemies than the other mobas so fights are better.
This leads me to believe a lot more of those hundreds of hours were spent in LoL than in Dota

>>386392735
>Still watining for a decent Gul'dan skin.
What's wrong with the Heroic Spider Skin?

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>>386395217
Looks dumb, his legs still poke out, doesn't fit his character.

I want pic related, preferably with the staff too.

>>386389396
*SLAP*
Terminated.

>>386394767
No, it's because you die in half the time, so having 4-second CCs would be ridiculous in a game as fast-paced as LoL or HOTS or Smite

>>386394936
>This leads me to believe a lot more of those hundreds of hours were spent in LoL than in Dota

You're correct.

>It's mainly due to how much survivability there is. The game doesn't have as much for nukes and burst and the CC feels even weaker than in LoL.

This is true, but I don't think that makes the team fights any less deep/fun, The CC is great though as half of the heroes have some sort of physical environmental CC like a wall instead of just flat stuns and slows like in lol.

>>386395557
>No, it's because you die in half the time
But you don't. Have you never played a single game of dota in your life? Dota has faster kill times because there's heavier burst and more nukes in the early/mid game, and carries can easily one shot people in the late game.
You have no clue what you're talking about

>>386395834
>Have you never played a single game of dota in your life?

Of course I have, that's how I know that it's so slow

The old "criticizing Dota means you haven't played it" non-argument again

>>386396051
If you're wrong about an objective fact, it's pretty safe to assume you haven't played it, yeah. You can go look at the dota wiki and check ability base damages in contrast to hero HP pools at the same levels and clearly see that you're wrong. Dota's base damage numbers are around the same as LoL's damage numbers with 3/4th build and the HP pools are lower than LoL's in that phase too.

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>>386392735
How would you feel if they added how he looks during his fight in Nighthold?

>>386395834
>Dota has faster kill times because there's heavier burst and more nukes in the early/mid game, and carries can easily one shot people in the late game.

No one has higher burst potential than a fed Nasus or Veigar, and you still die to base-damage nukes in LoL if you get focused early game

>Garrosh announced
>Looks like an improved Diablo, my main jam, with none of his flaws
>Tfw hate orc faggots
I'll stick to Diablo unless Garrosh gets a skin that looks good.

>>386396339
Different anon here, fuck that. Everything about his transformations was just dumb. Bigger spikes, flames, and dragon hands? That's so bad. They could've made him look like a menacing demon/orc hybrid, but nope. We just got giant spiky flaming Gul'dan with skull anal beads.

>>386396335
>If you're wrong about an objective fact, it's pretty safe to assume you haven't played it, yeah.

But I'm not

Why are Dota elitists so fucktistic? This is why no one plays your game

>>386388308
Part of the reason why I hate blizzard games, the same devs who think she's ok with huge damage, instakill ult, escape and gigantic range nerf the likes of tychus, tyrande, lucio and nova to the ground.

They don't know how to balance it ain't even worth touching their games.

>>386396419
>No one has higher burst potential than a fed Nasus or Veigar
You're looking at two cherrypicked examples and only their late game. Way more Dota heroes burst just as hard as that in the late game, and my point is across more of the game (especially the early game) Dota has far higher burst and faster kill times. LoL doesn't even have anything like Dagon anymore.

>and you still die to base-damage nukes in LoL if you get focused early game
What are you even trying to reply to here? Nobody said you can't die at all, just that it's a lot slower and more forgiving than it is in Dota.

>>386396506
I have numerical proof as my argument, yours is "I'm right because I say so"
Hmmm

delet gengi

>>386396878
>LoL doesn't even have anything like Dagon anymore.

That's not a spell, that's an item, and it exists because half the heroes need it to supplement their damage

So really it's not that "Dota has more burst" at all, they just need Dagon as a crutch

I used to roll as a 5-stack and we'd all get Dagon 5 and just insta-fuck someone out of a fight, but that has nothing to do with actual abilities, very little in Dota scales with anything

Lol and Smite solved that problem

>>386397132
>That's not a spell, that's an item, and it exists because half the heroes need it to supplement their damage
>So really it's not that "Dota has more burst" at all, they just need Dagon as a crutch
What is your point? Cry about it all you want, it's in the game and it gives the game more burst. Dagon is just icing on the cake anyways, even without it the early/mid damage on raw ability sets is astronomically higher.

>dota doesn't have more burst
>yes it does because this
>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A CRUTCH
Unbelievable

2.0 ruined this game.

>>386395557
I played all 4 and dota is by far the fastest combat. Maybe you should just git gud? just because your incapable of doing more than 2 things at a time doesn't mean others aren't.

>>386397449
Cause you don't have to spend money like a whale to get shit now?

>>386397418
>What is your point?
That you're being disingenuous and also accusing me of never playing this game even though I used to play WC3 Dota back in the day

>>386397629
Blizzard got lazy with skins, they used to have unique ability effects and shit and now they don't do anything.

>>386397653
Dagon is in the game whether you like it or not, and even without it the burst is still higher.
Feel free to actually provide an argument, any time you're ready

>>386376823
I used to play dota and actually switched to hots. Farming creeps and jungling for 20 minutes shouldn't be part of multilayer games

>>386397905
see
>>386384507

>>386397848
>Dagon is in the game whether you like it or not

I like it, but it's just disingenuous to lump it in with actual abilities that heroes have

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>>386389430
>half the characters are edgy demons from the tryhard dimension
good giggle

>>386398063
Why? Why would items not be included a discussion of the game's overall kill speed? You're just making up bullshit mental gymnastic rules now.
If you want to take items out of the picture, then the difference in kill speed gets even wider because all of LoL's damage comes from ability scale stats.

But either way, you're still ignoring the fact that the game still has more burst and faster kills even if you take Dagon out of the equation so you nitpicking it couldn't be any more pointless.

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>>386396339
That would be a No.

If they could just add him the way he was in WoD i would be more than happy, if they kept his robes fully intact it would be even better.

I really liked all those demonic runes on his shoulders / robe.

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>>386385369
>poop poop nasty smelly turd
You need to stop arguing like a child.