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Monolith Confirms Shadow of War Requires Internet Connection

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http://wccftech.com/monolith-shadow-of-war-requires-internet/
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>>386376112
It just gets worse. I liked Shadow of Mordor but I will never buy this game now
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>how do you boil a frog?
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>>386376112
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
It supposed to be my own goty, but now WTF!
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>>386376112
yeah. im so shocked by this.
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>>386376112
wew
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>>386376112
>always-online DRM
>in-game cash shops so you can pay2win a singleplayer game
>four versions of the game for sale
FUCK JEWS
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>>386376112
Heh it just keeps getting better.

I hope this piece of shit flops hard.
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>>386376112
>wccftech
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how the mighty have fallen
I want the monolith from 15 years ago back
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>always online
>microtransactions in SP

Just when I thought it couldn't get worse
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>>386376112
Well this was to be expected considering one of the first posts I read on the subject was about cheating themselves lootboxes.
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>>386376112
Congratulations, I thought shadow of mordor was fun but now i'm not buying this piece of shit. Congratulations, monolith, you fucking greedy jews.
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Can't say I'm surprised. the micro transaction shit has proven to work in so many other games, of course the greedy Jews would jump at the chance to work it into a single player game.
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good thing the first game was trash so I don't care
sorry for all you annons who were looking forward to the game, though
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>>386376112
I've pirated the 1st game then bought it later. If I can't pirate this one I will enver buy it.
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Feels nice to not live in a third world country with shit internet so this is a non issue.
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>>386376112
Dropped.
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>>386378524
have fun replaying the game in a few years, oh wait...
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>SINGLEPLAYER GAME
>LOOTBOXES
>ALWAYS ONLINE DRM
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>>386376112
>Singleplayer
>Always online
kek
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>>386378524
Just wait till your internet goes down fag, it all does one time or another, then you wont be so smug.
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I bought the first one on summer sale to get ready for the second one and this happens!
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>Always online DRM
>loot boxes
>Pre-order DLC
>DLC
>Season Passes
And the list goes on i fucking hate modern gaming.
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>first game is shit
>second game is shit
>WTF OMG I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING HOW THE FUCK DID THIS HAPPEN OMGGG
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shadow of mordor was an alight first try of a game (lore rape aside). they should have expanded the namesis system a bit more but now they making the entire core of the game into PTW. fuck having to explore and learn to play the game to gain better gear and exp, just buy it for real money instead.
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>Shadow of War requires an Internet connection for the time being, which is probably not going to sit well with some fans.
>probably not going to sit well with some fans
>probably
>some fans

Yeah its probably not going to sit well with the fans who are stupid enough to buy the game in light of this news. I've seriously never seen any article try so hard to deliver bad news without trashing someone for making an unarguably shitty decision.

>the point of the Market system is to provide a faster alternative in building Talion’s army for those who don’t want to spend a lot of time in the game doing that activity.
>don't want to spend a lot of time
>playing the game

Well then what the fuck is the point of getting the game in the first place?

>The game is balanced so you can play the game without using the Market.
>The drop rate of common/epic/legendary orcs has nothing to do with the market. We balanced SoW first, so the drop rates there is set for what our designers and research has shown to be the most interesting.
So I'm supposed to expect a Jew dev who pulled a fucking jew move not to do something totally fucking Jewish? Kiss my dick.

>Shadow of War requires an Internet connection for the time being, which is probably not going to sit well with some fans. Considering that the game doesn’t feature any true multiplayer features per se, this was likely done to prevent hackers from boosting their own premium currency in the game without actually paying anything.
And there it is. Supposedly the game is balanced without the market. Meaning you don't need the microtransactions at all to progress. But you need to have an internet connection. So that you can't boost the currency that you supposedly don't need.

Holy shit there are no words to express my REEEEEEEEEE over this. I was really really looking forward to this game. I almost never get emotional over shitty dev decisions but this. THIS. This is awful.

Into the fucking trash it goes. What a waste.
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Will be pirating.
Won't even play it, probably.
Will be pirating out of spite. Might even mail them a screenshot of my torrent.

Rub their shit in their own noses until it stops.
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>>386378618
I don't think I would ever replay it. So many games come out, I don't even have time to finish all of them.
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Surprised you guys didn't see the jews coming when we got a look at a black man in a lord of the rings game in the first trailer.
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>people will still unironically defend this turd
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>>386376112
They know the game isn't even worth pirating and are slapping on this dumb shit onto it just to fuck over people stupid enough to buy it.
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>>386376387
I never intended to buy it, reducing the game to a bunch of separate maps just ruins the fun that came from the nemesis system
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>>386376112
Why didn't the Fellowship just use the Elvish riches to buy loot boxes and XP boosts so that they would be strong enough to defeat Sauron on their own?
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>>386376112
my god what's happening with this game
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>Gold exists for users who want to speed up their army building process. There are people who appreciate having the option. We don’t want to restrict any players from playing our game. So we have the option for those that want a speedy option, and for those that choose to avoid it can do so without any negative impact on their game.

>The game is balanced so you can play the game without using the Market.
As you play the game you’ll have excess Mirian, this gives you an option to use that excess Mirian if you like. Or you can let that Mirian build up as high as you want.

>Getting and Orc from a warchest is the same as dominating one in the game. So if you want a legendary orc in the game, you can go find one or you can go through the market. It’s there as an option for players. Feel free to play as you decide!

>Epic and Rare weapons drop with relative frequency, and DON’T need an epic orc to drop. Though as you level up, your common weapons will become more powerful and you’ll switch to your higher level commons.

>Legendary ORCS are more rare. However, the number of legendary orcs you meet increases as you play through the game.

>The drop rate of common/epic/legendary orcs has nothing to do with the market. We balanced SoW first, so the drop rates there is set for what our designers and research has shown to be the most interesting.

>So if you just do the normal game, the game will be balanced for that
That alleviates the majority of my fears. Still keeping my preorder
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I still want to get it because the game looks like fun. Maybe the online thing is for the store only.
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>>386376387
Yep, 4 dollars in two years buy confirmed.
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>>386376112
I'm not planning on buying this game on any platform, but out of curiosity, do the console versions also require an internet connection to play?
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>>386379102
The only reason the first game was even successful was because it dropped to $15 a week after it came out

If they kept it at $40 it would have been a massive failure
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>>386378926

Well that didn't take long: >>386379042

>>386378837
This nigger fucking gets it.
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It amazes me how little shit Warner Brothers gets for their corporate bullshit.

They have some of the most aggressive anti-consumer approaches out there.
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>>386378054
>Can't say I'm surprised. the micro transaction shit has proven to work in so many other games, of course the greedy Jews would jump at the chance to work it into a single player game.
Single player microtransactions, often with always online, is the rule in mobege shit, particularly anything involving gacha. It's fucking horrible but apparently profitable too. They're trying to bring it to the PC yet again is all.

The fundamental problem (and HOPE) though for those greedy shits is that unlike mobile the PC is a pretty open platform, so it's massively harder to actually make this work. They can try various tricks, but at the end of the day all the keys and shit are all there in memory and available to be modified. It can be run in a VM, it can be decompiled. They can only delay things. And
>"delay things"
even can make some sense when it's purely about piracy. A lot of these games have very frontloaded sales, just like big movies, so if they launch with some DRM that gets cracked in 4 weeks that actually might still be worth it because the kind of normies who rush to play will not wait but just plonk down. They'll take it if it's free and convenient but they're too lazy and impatient if it ISN'T convenient.

But I don't think this single player DRM will work so well on the PC, because unlike box sales it's directly about the long term. So just making the DRM last a few weeks or months isn't good enough, but that's about all the PC can do.
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Haven't these people learned anything in the past few years?
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>>386379042
>pre ordering
Yeah im sure they will run out of that digital product.
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>>386379042
>Microtransactions in a predominantly single player game
Now what game and what publisher does that remind me of?
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>>386379042
I can deal with an in-game market if it has in- game currency, but I don't have a ps plus sub because my internet is hot shit
If the game is online only I literally cannot play it
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>>386379697
Didn't Mankind Divided also do that shit?
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>>386379743
Why the fuck would you play it on consoles?
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>>386376112
kek, niggas got RAPED!

fucking dumb ass dev team
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>>386379061
It's a fucking BamHam/AssCreed knockoff. Maybe you should spend your money on acquiring some taste instead.
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>>386376112
>single player game
>with lootbox microtransactions, Day 1 DLC, and an always-online DRM
I wonder who could be behind this. Really makes me ponder....
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>>386379743
>>386379797
It's online only on PC with checks weekly for the DRM
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I was honestly prepared to forgive the microtransactions as long as it's balanced properly, had a long ass discussion about it with several anons in another thread. And now this shit? Fucking hell man, way to kill absolutely all hype I had in a single day. Fuck this shit.
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Whelp theyve fucked themselves now.
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>>386379061
Same, we can still dream anon
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>>386379997
Microtransactions will never be balanced otherwise there would be no incentive to buy them.
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>>386378837
Wow you're sure gonna show them
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>>386380095
there are several boards worse than /v/
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>>386379997
>Fair microtransactions
You're assuming the devs aren't trying to make as much money as possible here, why else would they introduce microtransactions
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>>386379896
I thought SoM was pretty fun when I got it last summer. I'm into SoW because I like that it's SoM but bigger things to do like the fortress fights, as well as having Orc Followers and friends instead of mind controlled orcs.
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>>386379979
Consoles still get the Micro transitions faggot, you know the main thing everyone is triggered about?
Have fun with 900p 40fps on Nier Tomato while i play it at 4K 60fps
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>>386379382
They're probably going to barely support the PC release because they know pirates are gonna do what they do best. The real cash cows are always on console, and they'll eat this up like it was their last meal before they get the chair.
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>>386376112
i think its time to just laydown arms here. this is the new standard for gaming and video gamers need to accept that modern titles require this kind of technology to deliver the experience they want and pay for

but no sereiously, shut the fuck up, this isn't new, stop whining about every game that has you do X you aren't comfortable with but you already do all day passively anyway, dry your fucking bitch tears, jesus
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Ok, I'll just pirate it then.
Way to lose a paying customers retards.
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Reminder not to buy Western video games.
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>>386380079
Thanks, at least I don't feel alone in this feeling.

I will say right now though I'm not going to pre-order the game anymore, BUT I will keep an eye on it post release to see how it does before I consider buying it.
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>>386379697
Had a buddy lift a physical copy from walmart for me back then. Thanks Joey
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>>386379979
Steamretards already have built-in always-online drm.
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>>386379997
The nemesis system really did have promise. I mean, sure it sucks a little if you were a fan. But you gotta admit, the corporate fuckery is hilarious, and the dev team. (This is the best part) signed with such a shit publisher and probably knew this would occur. Just shows you what tier they are in the industry, Low rung as fuck.
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I actually read what the devs said instead of throwing a fit on /v/. Online only is the only issue. The microtransactions seem pretty fucking worthless and you'd have to be an idiot to drop money on them instead of playing the game
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>>386380253
Consoles still get the microshit fag and to buy that microshit you have to give them your info too, but you also imply i have my real anything on steam.
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I think it's pretty obvious that the standard $60 is not enough anymore and hasn't been for a long time now. But is it just pure greed or is it necessary to keep the publisher and developer afloat? Is it either this or raising the price for the base game?
Is the publisher greedy or are gamers cheap?
Let's just make some rough calculation. Let's take Battlefield 1 for instance.
DICE is located in Stockholm Sweden. As of 2016 they had 640 employees. (http://www.allabolag.se/5567106520/ea-digital-illusions-ce-ab). Now of course not everybody worked on b1, also a lot of people comes and goes to, so let's say half of them did, so 320 people. (probably more towards the end of the development and probably less in the beginning)
The average salary in Stockholm Sweden is 24 600SEK.That's around $3000 plus employee fees and taxes that's around 33 100SEK ($4000)
Total cost for one staff member in a year is $48,000. Multiplied by 320 is $15 million dollars in a year.
For 4 years that's $60 million dollars.
No if we add marketing cost, location cost, software, equipment etc i don't think that $100 million dollars is that far by 100 Million
...that's an absurd amount of money.
So how many copies do they need to sell to break even?
well they don't get $60 even if the customer pays $60, distribution cost and taxes they will probably not get more than $40 per sold copy, tops (we ignore sales for now)
So that means $100 million/$40 = 2,500,000 copies just to break even. If they want to sell enough to fund the next game with the same budget, they need to sell double so 5 million copies. If they want to make a profit even more.
As of now, Battlefield 1 has sold around 4 million copies.
If you consider the fact that not all of the sales above were purchased for the full price. That means they broke even but barley funded the next one. And they certainly didn't make a huge profit. The only way for them to turn a profit would be with dlc and season pass.
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>>386380301
>it's okay because it "isn't new"

Honestly kill yourself, you animeposting retard.
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>>386380301
>i'm a retard sheep that loves getting fucked in the ass stop resisting it feels so good i'm such a little sissy faggot for huge corporations MMM JEW NOSE YUMMY
kys
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>>386380364
DO5 has 1000 dollars in clothing DLC
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>>386379042
>So if you want a legendary orc in the game, you can go find one.
>Legendary ORCS are more rare.

Search an overpowerd orc for 1 hour or buy him immediately.

Great job Monolith.
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>people trying to convince Warner Bros./Monolith to drop always online for single player
>they simply replied "We require internet connection''
https://community.wbgames.com/t5/General/The-Market-Thread/m-p/1611280#M10912
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>>386380253
>be consolefag
>spend 400 dollars on a console that a 10-year old pc can do better
>pay 59.99 to access online features
>agree with sony/microsoft policy or lose your access to online and most games
>security system so bad your credit card info can be leaked easily
>got breached 4 times last 8 years
>consoles popularized microtransactions and paid mods
>giving your personal credit card info to sony and microsoft

see, i can strawman too
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>>386380483
Nobody ever said steam wasn't pc gaming dumbed down for consolefag.
>but you also imply i have my real anything on steam.
Inb4 you've never bought anything on steam, otherwise it has billing info.
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>>386380087
>>386380256
Benefit of the doubt, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'm against the addition of microtransactions in any way but I would, maybe, bear with it being present if the game really is truly balanced so your frustrations aren't monetised via the cash shop and that's a big fucking maybe. But it's all moot now, always-online DRM is fucking trash and there's absolutely no way for it to be made fair for the player.
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>>386378798
My thoughts exactly.

I was excited for this but then they go and deliver what is inarguably the most unforgivable shit for me.

This is LITERALLY A GATCHA IN A $60 + TIP AAA TITLE! THATS ALWAYS ONLINE!

WHAT THE FUCK?
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>>386380585
>However, the number of legendary orcs you meet increases as you play through the game.
So pay to be OP now or actually progress and become OP later. What's the issue?
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>>386376112
>another always online drm
>everyone gets mad
>game comes out
>no one gives a shit anymore and plays it
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>>386380646
What are steam cards that I bought from gamestop, cry more consolefag.
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>>386376112
>he lives in a shithole 3rd world country where he isn't always connected to the internet
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>>386380591
>At the moment, we require an internet connection.

okay but why lol

what a scumfuck
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>>386376112
Everyone is busy throwing Monolith under the bus for this when you have to remember one thing: WB GAMES IS A SCOURGE UPON THE GAMING INDUSTRY AND MUST BE PURGED. Seriously one of the worst publishers out there.
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>>386380728
>>no one gives a shit anymore and plays it

wishful thinking there, Mr.shill
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>>386380786
>Publisher servers go down
>Well I guess you can't play the game you bought
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>>386376112
>mfw this news
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>>386380683
>literally gatcha
But it isn't. In gatcha games, spending currency to roll for characters/ items is the only way to get them. The items in the chest are the same ones that orcs drop on kills and the orcs in the chests are the same ones you can fight and brand on the field. Nothing is locked behind chests
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KEEP FUCKING BUYING IT GOY
CMON, IT LOOKS GOOD, OPEN YOUR STUPID WALLET, I NEED THAT NEW LAMBO
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>>386380785
You can't authenticate those cards to your account if it doesn't have a name and email address.
And if they're fake valve can lock your account, so why take the risk?
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>>386380728
Literally when have people ever been ok with this even after a game releases?

The closest people have ever come to "forgiving" this is with hitman and still that game underperformed so hard squeenix just gave up the rights to it.
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>>386380786
>he defends shitty practices when they are also not necessary in any way or beneficial to anyone except the pirate who will still play the game and without the internet requirement and all the DLC
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>>386379000
They had not internet so always online DRM kept them from doing so.
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>>386380301
>stop whining about every game that has you do X you aren't comfortable with but you already do all day passively anyway
I don't though. I avoid games with microtransactions and bad DLC like the plague. The last time I bought a game that had microtransactions I genuinely didn't know because they were so poorly tacked on most people weren't even aware of them.
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>>386380786
Why are you so retarded?
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>>386376112
Oh no guess I'll have to not buy this game the same way I did not buy the first one.

And half of /v/ will still buy it because you are all retards.
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>>386376112
And any interest I have in playing it is fucking gone
I'm still waiting for offline diablo 3 for PC if anyone's interested.
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>>386380915
That's exactly how gatcha works though, they bait you in with free rolls then once you run out of in-game currency without getting what you want, you start paying to roll even more
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>>386380809
This. They're the reason FEAR 3 was such a piece of shit.
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>>386380924
Yeah im sure valve is gonna worry about me using a fake name, ill just wait for it to happen because im sure they care senpai. Why don't you go mosey on over there and tell on me lol.
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>>386380728
>no one gives a shit anymore and pirates* it

shit, they may not even care enough to do that.
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>>386380915
Speaking as someone who plays a lot of gatcha games, it isn't.

In Monster Super League for example, all characters are earned through eggs you can find. You can probably find like 2 a day if you're lucky. Even the rarest units in the game can come from these eggs. However the odds of getting these units from eggs you don't buy from the store are a bit lower, and it takes a lot of grinding to get the eggs.

Basically every gatcha game that does well lets players earn premium currency or rare units just by playing the game.
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>>386380631
>pay 59.99 to access online features
>he believes console gamers play online garbage
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>>386381159
FEAR was dead by the 2nd game anyways
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>>386380786
>router/service provider fucks up
>Well no game for you!
>Servers go down
>Well no game for you!
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>>386381316
ALWAYS ONLINE MEANS ALWAYS TRACKING
GOOD GOY
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>>386381241
>>he believes console gamers play online garbage

50+ million players per month on CoD and FIFA while all popular games on PC reach 500K per month at most
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>>386381241
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I love that image of sonyfags shitting on xbox for paying for online and saying how horrible it is then we come to today
L O L
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>>386376112
if I was invested in this in any way I would have dropped it now
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Honestly always online doesn't bother me, since my ISP isn't capped or shit.
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>>386381397
Normalfags are the reason why on consoles we can buy a disc and play offline while on Steam the Valve servers will forever own your games and bundle with a DRM client.
God bless normalfags.
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>>386380487
The thing about modern DLC is that there is a tasteful and tactful way to market it so you don't treat your customers like brainless morons who'll gobble up any shit you put in front of them. Offer something the customer would love to pay for and you'll have no problem getting their money. Monolith seems to just say "nah fuck that shit bruh pay us real monies for fucking upgrades and other shit because we a Skinner Box mobile game now lol".
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>>386381532
>All PC games are online
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>>386381507
The principle of the practice obviously doesn't bother you either. Should also probably mention that, as it is the more important piece of information.
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>>386381241
>he believes console gamers play online garbage
I'm going to destroy your sissy boy asshole with one image here we go.
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>>386381156
Are you illiterate? You do not need to roll chests to get any of the items or characters in the game. They are all on the field. You can get them all without ever opening a chest. There is no timer or cap to them. When you kill an orc, another takes his place. That's how the nemesis system works.
>>386381236
Your example is the complete opposite of this game though. They throw hundreds of orcs at you to kill or capture. It's an unlimited amount of randomly generated orcs and loot. There's nothing that halts or slows your progression because the basis of the nemesis system
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>>386376112
day one pirate
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Piratefags B T F O!
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>>386381762
always online+denuvo
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>pay to get gear and orc ssooner than if you were to play the game normally
Why do people do this? Why play a game if you don't have time to play it?
You can spend way less money on games you could enjoy in LESS time.
I can bet you will get advertisements to use that cash store at least once in the game, to let you know you could get sick orcs and weapons to "enhance your gaming experience" or "to strengthen your army for the game to come"
This is freemium WITHOUT THE NEED to be freemim.
Are they really that desperate to make the game accessable by letting people skip gameplay?
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>>386381815
So give or take two weeks i guess.
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>>386381690
The thing is they have far more motivation to fuck up that system in order to force you to buy their lootcrates than they do for keeping it good. The instant any game adds in something like this, you need to start assuming that they've sabotaged the game to try manipulating you into paying them.

Also GTFO WB shill. I cannot believe there would actually be someone retarded enough to defend introducing a literal gatcha into a full priced game.
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>>386381690
>Defending microtransactions this desperately
How much are WB paying you anon
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I am actually fucking sad about this. I was so excited for the game and then this happens. One of, if not THE absolute worst business decision I have seen
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>>386381860
See, you're believing the motivations they're giving you.

Actually, they just want as much money as possible and want to get in on that sweet, sweet mobile whale milking action while still charging full price.
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>>386381815
That shit get cracked all the time, just pretend like it ain't out till you see a group release. If you're particularly apathetic towards pre-order/first quarter game buying. It may not even effect you.
>>386381762
Doubt it'll be day one, but yeah.
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>>386376112
>lets keep pushing the "drm is boss" and "le open world meme with preorder cancer" instead of making good games
this fucking industry needs to get nuked somehow
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>>386380728
Remember when the xb1 got away with always online drm for single player games? Me neither.
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I'll just pirate it until the dev goes bankrupt and then I'll pirate even more so they never get out of debt for the rest of lives :0).
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>>386381860
Back in the day we called em cheat codes.
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>>386381663
>>386381678
>implying there is a reason to own PC other than online or piracy
I'll play all those games in ~2 years when someone release a crack
Not going to give money to WB or Valve
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>>386380487
Games don't need budgets of $100m+ to be good. When Western AAA devs took over in the 7th gen it was a race towards the bottom to reach the highest graphical fidelity possible to reach the lowest common denominator of casuals and normies. This fucking shot game budgets through the roof, and now we're at this point.

Think of it like this: With these astronomical budgets leading towards higher graphics, are we even getting better games compared to previous generations? That's a hard fucking no in my book. Most Battlefield fans would say Bad Company 2 is a significantly better game than BF4 or any other modern Battlefield. Guess which one didn't cost $100m+ to make and have 4+ years of development time? Another example: compare the PS2's output to the PS4 (pic related), it's not even fucking close.

This race towards the bottom has resulted in less games getting made because of prolonged development cycles, absolutely fucking killed AA/middileware games, and popularized so many Jewish and cancerous practices such as DLC, Microtransactions, lootboxes, service games, etc.
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>>386381939
They've already stated that the game was balanced without the cash shop in mind, You can be a pessimist and believe that they're lying but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The gameplay itself prevents them from incentivizing the cash shop anyways. If all the strong orcs are locked in the lootboxes, that means you only fight weak orcs and there's no reason to buy a box. If all the orcs are extremely strong, there's no reason to try and get gear from the lootbox because you can just brand orcs. I don't see a way for them to ruin the game to favor cash shops, the nemesis system stops it.
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>>386382620
t. WB employee
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Man...

FUCK

GAMING

It's just a fucking jewish cash grab now.
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>>386382705
Great meme my friend
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>>386382620
Microtransactions are fucking cancer. Stop defending them.
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>>386382620
If you were a real person this is what I'd ask you:

How are you this dense. The nemisis system won't stop them because they can change it however they want to make the game more lucrative.

This is a publisher who has explicitly forbidden devs from fixing gamebreaking bugs and making more DLC instead.

Nobody is dumb enough to trust them.
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>>386382620
>You can be a pessimist and believe that they're lying but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Why on earth would you believe anything these people say? They don't care about you. They don't care about the game. They only care about squeezing as much money from you as they can.
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>>386382731
Great post my shill
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The article is BS.

Read the linked forum thread, the actual question the community manager answers was "Is the whole market only available with internet or can a part be accessed offline" - i.e. the microtransaction part is always online (which is obvious, how else would they process CC info). This says nothing about DRM.
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>>386382731
It's because you're cash register keyboardist.
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>>386378682
>>386378621
So they just need to announce the launch is actually Early Access and we've hit peak scumminess?
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>>386382620
If they balanced the game there is no reason to ever buy anything hence eliminating the need for a fucking shop altogether

How blind can you be? Also always online so you cant cheat all that gold that you supposedly dont need. What a fucking joke these greedy cunts. Day 1 pirate
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>>386376112
Well I wasn't planning on paying for it in the first place. If I didn't pay for Shadow of Mordor why would I pay for this?
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>>386376112
think ill settle for the original i paid 4 bux for on the sale, fuck this game
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>>386382172
Don't buy the game, let retards eat shit. Support what you like.
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>>386376112
Oh no. I dont give a shit since i have wifi, are you fuckers so poor you cant afford wifi?
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>>386382926
That would make this situation so much less hostile and more amusing.
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>>386380591
>Almost all the responses are positive and are in favor of the microtransactions

At this point i just hope Monolith bleeds them dry, fucking retards.
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>>386382926
>we've almost hit peak jew
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>>386383008
>using wifi
Pffffffft
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>>386382620
>trusting a coprate jew
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>>386376112
Microtransactions in a full priced game are bad enough but that combined with this always online shit for singleplayer is a guaranteed no buy.

Nice damage control in this thread though.
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>>386383051
Barely any of these responses are in favor of the cash shop, read the before you post turbo nerd.
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>>386382620
>I don't see a way for them to ruin the game to favor cash shops, the nemesis system stops it.
By making Legendary drops have a .00000001% drop rate of course. And since Mirian can only be used to purchase Silver chests that can only have items up to Epic rarity, be prepared to spend the rest of your life grinding for Legendary drops. Or use the cash shop.

Until they decide and elaborate on how much Gold we can earn through 'normal gameplay' as well as how often the drop rates are, there's reason to be pessimistic and worried.
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>>386383008
I believe you should use a cable instead.
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>>386376387
>playing or buying any game with a Batman arkham gameplay (or assassins creed/far cry)
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>single player game
>has always be connected and has loot crates

Literally fucking why? Makes no sense. Shame because I was kind of looking forward to this. The first one was mediocre as fuck, but I really like the nemesis system.
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>>386383327
>Literally fucking why?
Money.
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>>386376112
Man what a bunch of fucking idiots

Hope that suit is happy he gets a little extra money from the 6 people who will buy this trash, so disappointing
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That sucks, my house has a very unstable connection that likes to drop for 0.5 of a second and ruin big downloads so I can't imagine how frustrating it'll be to be kicked to the title screen everytime my internet goes for a half second.
Oh well, lost interest in the first one once I got to the second map so fuck this shit.
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>>386382795
You can say that all day long, but neither you nor anyone else in the thread has given an example of how the devs would make the game worse to incentivize the purchase of a lootbox.

>>386382803
The basis of the nemesis system which they advertise heavily is that there is an endless amount of orcs. An endless amount of orcs to kill and brand. Give me a plausible example of how you can force people to buy lootcrates with this system in place.

>>386383209
First, they've already confirmed that Silver Chests contain every orc and item that gold chest do. Second, why do you need a legendary anything? You get a legendary item at level 5 and it's outclassed by a normal item at level 10. If I can complete the game and have fun without a legendary item, why do I care about the drop rate?
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>>386376112
>Single player AAA game
>Microtransactions

Burn it to the ground.
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Name a worse current anti-consumer practice than Always-Online DRM.

I'll wait
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>>386383327
>Literally fucking why?
Because people are willing to pay for it.
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>>386383482
So, now I have to also force myself to not care about the Legendary items too? What other content must I not care about so that the in-game cash shop won't become a problem? Also, they've confirmed that Silver chest only contain up to Epic rarity items while Gold and Mithril contain up to Legendary.
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>>386376112
ORCMODE WHEN?!?!
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>>386383327
Because there are still plenty of fucking retards who will buy the game regardless. Look no further than this thread.
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>POST YFW YOU'RE PIRATING THIS SHIT
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>>386383771
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>>386383482
Simple. Make it take 20 hours to actually find a good orc to conquer.

Introduce DLC that requires a shitload of orcs at a higher level than you can find in the wild.

Orcs from the shop have a much higher chance of getting some special ability that is basically necessary than orcs in the wild.

Orcs from the shop are just flat out better than orcs in the wild.

Orcs from the wild now have a chance to die permanently.

I could literally think up ways to abuse the system to force people to monetize for hours, and I GUARANTEE you WB hired someone to do exactly that.
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>>386383721
If you want a legendary item, you grind for it just like any RPG without a cash shop. Low drop rates aren't something that came about because of DLC
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Shadow of Mordor and Mirror's Edge Catalyst are the only AAA games I enjoyed this gen. Why does everything turn to shit in life?
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>>386383771
You can't pirate online anon

We'll have to wait for a mod
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>>386383839
But they just might get 100% lower BECAUSE of DLC you shill.
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>>386383771
Filename not related
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>>386383721
>>386383482
This nigga is dumb as shit, obviously they're going to hide the better items and more interesting orcs behind a ridiculously long grind. Barely anyone likes grinding for hours upon hours just to get shit in an MMO, let alone a fucking single player game.
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>>386379770
Yeah but you it was definitly an after thought forced by Square. You get flooded with praxis kit ingame and by the half point of ng+ you have everything unlocked
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>>386383771
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>>386383317
first game at least tried to do something different with the nemesis system
shame that the game is even easier than batman if you can believe that
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>>386383482
I have to prove that the company spent money implementing microtransactions but doesn't want to make any money out of it?
Also the game is always online, wich means you can't cheat to get more stuff, they really want you to pay for shortcuts.
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>>386383839
I used to have to grind for a few hours for highest tier shit to drop. That's reasonable. What's the guarantee here that I won't have to spend 50 years grinding to get Legendary items through 'normal gameplay'?
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Single player AAA "games as a service" is officially now.
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>>386383191
>https://community.wbgames.com/t5/General/The-Market-Thread/m-p/1611280#M10912

I just did, a lot of the responses were either people having questions about the system or defending it/not minding it's implementation.

Retard.
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>>386383838
Once again, if the orcs in the wild are weak, why do you need strong orcs? You can just kill them by yourself. Orcs had permadeath in the first game to, but the nemesis system replaces them with another orc. Locking away strong orcs makes the game easy and makes the player less likely to buy a lootbox. Having orcs be both ally and enemy stops the gating of high level orcs
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>>386383849
This, just pretend like the game doesn't exist till you see a group release. If you aren't a faggot (pre-order/first quarter buyer) You won't even notice the DRM, Cash shops. You've essentially cut out the fat.
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>>386384000
>approach enemy
>is a nemesis so let's roll the cinema
>kill nemesis, let's roll out the replacement sequence
>every fucking time
You know, mini bosses aren't a new thing
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>>386383839
But they lower the drop rates to increase cash. Look at Destiny and it's Eververse boxes, the old one from TTK had decent chances of getting Taken armor but the newest one for Age of Triumph has such a low chance of getting the Triumph armor that it is necessary to buy to get the full set by D2 release. They decreased the drop rate because they figured out it made money and once people had the full taken set they stopped buying.
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>>386384213
How fucking dense are you?

If you didn't need good orcs they wouldn't have bothered with their lie that this was for people who wanted to progress through the game faster because you wouldn't need good orcs to progress.

Also there's obviously gonna be some enemy type that you can't recruit.
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>>386384213
So, we need to ignore highest tier gear and also strong orc followers now? Jesus Christ, I'll just go ahead and ignore the whole game.
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>>386376112
>implying this won't be cracked/modded out within days of release
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>>386384184
Many of them are probably shills though.
You understimate how easy is to make a bunch of fake accounts and upboat shit. It's cheap too, viral marketing is the future.
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>>386382525
Are you seriously expecting people who only play movie games anymore to go out and buy something that was made by like 20 people with a tiny budget?
You know, no perfect motion captured movement for literally every muscle twitch, no fucking hair physics, maybe a lack of voice acting, a smaller game world...
These days, who cares if a game has a soul if the gameplay trailer gets crucified immediately because it couldn't compare to the 5 million dollar premade cinematics and scripted bullshit trailers with symphonic soundtrack and the 50 million dollars of fake marketing hype of whatever else got shat out by tripple A that month?
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>>386384509
Now you're just pretending to be retarded.
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It will sell enough to show devs this is acceptable behaviour because so few "gamers" have any self-control or principles, they just see a new AAA game and have to buy it no matter what. I suppose that's what happens if the majority of your market are literal children and emotionally stunted "men".
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>>386376112
kek

so what made them go full retard?
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>>386383482
>You can say that all day long, but neither you nor anyone else in the thread has given an example of how the devs would make the game worse to incentivize the purchase of a lootbox.
Okay.
>Lock rare weapon behind a fucking GAMBLING SYSTEM
>Have to grind to get a lootbox. I.e. You have to grind to even get the chance to get that rare weapon
>Droprates will be low, it'll be nigh impossible to get that rare weapon you want unless you open a bunch of lootboxes
>Because grinding for a chance at the gambling system takes so long, you'll have to spend hundreds of hours playing just to get that weapon you want. Or you could just pay $5.99 and get a bunch of lootboxes to open, goyim
>Also there's always online DRM so if your internet goes out or if you want to play the game in 10 years you're out of luck :^)

As opposed to how it fucking should be:
>Find a secret in the world
>Get a rare weapon

>"B-B-B-BUT IT'LL BE BALANCED! THE DEVS SAID SO! ALSO THEY'RE OPTIONAL COSMETICS/WEAPONS, YOU DON'T NEED THEM TO PLAY THE GAME!!!"
Fuck off, there is no reasonable defense for this horseshit. Microtransactions, (99% of) DLC, lootboxes, Games-As-A-Service, and Always Online DRM in ANY incarnation are absolute fucking cancerous practices that's killing this industry. If you defend and support any of them you're part of the problem and you should fucking kill yourself.
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>>386384573
Official forums tend to be filled with dicksuckers.

People who don't suck cock trend to find the END OF RINE

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RINE ENDS HERE
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>>386384685
It's just the same as any other medium. Whatever has the highest marketing budget ends up becoming popular. Most people aren't serious hobbyists.
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>>386384683
Just repeating what you said, anon. The cash shop isn't a problem because why do we need Legendary items? Why do we need strong orcs?
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>>386384587
>These days, who cares if a game has a soul if the gameplay trailer gets crucified immediately because it couldn't compare to the 5 million dollar premade cinematics and scripted bullshit trailers with symphonic soundtrack and the 50 million dollars of fake marketing hype of whatever else got shat out by tripple A that month?
people crucify trailers for being exactly that. trailers specifically are why destiny bombed so hard. activision released a shitty generic AAA trailer for it, customers got mad, bungie got mad and said it didn't represent the game, activision got mad and started firing a shitload of people which forced whoever was left to drastically cut down the game and rewrite almost all of it.
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>>386384895
You can keep pretending to be retarded, or you can explain why a player needs an ally or item labeled "legendary" if there's no purpose for them in the first place. What is the point of the "legendary" if nothing in the game requires it?
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was fucking shadow of mordor even that big of a hit that they felt the need to do a sequel with absurd amounts of jewery?
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>>386379743
That's not what always online means, are sonybros this stupid? It doesn't require PS+ or XBL, but any game that's always online on consoles will require an active internet connection at all times. It's probably not always online for consoles but if it is, it doesn't mean you need to buy the jewgold to play the game
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>>386385126
>destiny bombed
Unfortunately Destiny is one of the most successful games this generation. It's babies first MMO and has ushered in a era of jewish, Always-Online Service games. And the real reason it's popular is because kiddies need an excuse to hang out with their friends. It's the same reason shitheaps like The Division and Wildlands sell gangbusters too.
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>>386385197
And what if I want it? Because similarly, it can be argued that the game doesn't need a cash shop if everything can be earned through normal gameplay. Since nothing requires it, why is it there? Because some players want it. And when I buy a game, I don't just play it to get to the end. I want to experience everything I can out of it and that includes getting the highest tier gear and followers. Now, explain to me, why do I have to ignore these desires in a game I've already paid full price for?
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>>386385325
Your post would've been find without the last line retard. You can make fun of reddit PC kiddies without instigating console war faggotry.
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>>386376387
>I liked shadow of Mordor
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>>386383825
what's going on here?
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>>386385260
Does it matter?
Homefront sold like crap, the sequel still had a high as fuck budget.
Mafia 2 was a relatively unknown game by a small studio, someone still bought the rights and did a high budget sequel that needed to sell like 8 million copies.
What are corporations even doing nowdays?
I'd say at least nips are doing ok but they invented this gacha crap in the first place.
Are slavs the last based devs in the world?
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>>386385325
You can replace steam with Sony and Nvidia with ps4 pro + Online subscription and it's be the exact same fucking post
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>>386385479
You don't. you play the game and you get the items. there is nothing stopping you from getting these items other than your own skill and dedication to the game. You're straying from the point. Weak enemies in the wild do not incentive lootbox purchases for most players. If there's no reason to use a "legendary", most players are not going to buy a legendary lootbox.
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>>386384357
Coincidentally neither is NPCs that can aquire gear.
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>>386376112
>always online game
>single player
>also availible on console
please tell me this is just on pc right?

>The game is balanced so you can play the game without using the market

yeah and the pc version of diablo 3 when it launched it totally didn't have drop rates skewed for a much lower chances and the console versions that didn't have the system in place to buy gear also had higher gear as well
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>>386385479
The game doesn't need a cash shop. It is there for the idiots who like to waste their money. /v/ being autistic as usual has to overblow everything
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>>386385724
>I'd say at least nips are doing ok
That's only because they're all moving to gacha mobile games and making a killing.
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>>386385932
But playing on consoles is cancer. It's the exact same issues on steam but on bottlenecked and locked down hardware. Stop pretending that the better way to play is worse because you don't wanna spend the money on it. That's what instigating a console war means
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>>386383105
>early access is the peak
>not digital only/only availble by streaming
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>>386385756
>>386385829
And you can confirm that the drop rates for these Legendary items and orcs are not made absurdly low to a point of frustrating the players enough to force them to go through the cash shop? All I'm hearing from the devs are vague "We've balanced it well, you can trust us!" without any proper statistics. Having no reason to use a Legendary doesn't mean all players are going to ignore it. Some people, like myself, would want to max out their character with the best shit. At the same time, I don't want to have to spend an eternity grinding to do so where the only alternative is paying real money to circumvent that shit. That's ridiculous.

Also, always-online is debunked: http://steamcommunity.com/app/356190/discussions/0/1471967615853490645/?ctp=2
So at least there's that.
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>>386386059
>implying having physical discs and being able to play with internet off is not always better than DRM and online authentication on Valve™ servers
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>>386386079
>only available by streaming

That's the day I just fucking quit and start speedrunning old games until I can 100% them in under an hour. I will literally never pay money for that.
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>>386383848
>Mirrors Edge Catalyst

how can anyone walk away from this game after beating it and say they had a good experience
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>>386386216
>implying having physical trash around your house and a machine that is effectively a childs toy isn't superior

it isn't. Your discs are worthless. You can't play the game without internet for ANY game now, becuase your system has to update.
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>>386386517
If I turn off my internet right now every disc will play. Even if 2018~2019 games require system update I can download and put the file on a USB drive and install without using my PS4 internet :)
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>>386377494
>cash shop in sp
wait what?
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>>386386216
Yeah bub I don't have a single game that is online only. I also have all of the consoles but they're worse ways to play objectively. It's not even a contest
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>>386386462
Publisher response to piracy and the adoption of casino techniques are what killed games.
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>/v/ falls for clickbait again
Never change, morons. The game isn't always online
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>>386386854
...because pc gamers accept whatever policy they come up
Tomorrow if Gaben says the min price of paid mods are 20 bucks everyone will start using in less than 2 minutes
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>>386386462
You forgot about the fact that every single video game in that post actually rules and that steam replaced securom and cd checks.
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>>386382926
early access is already on consoles
xbox does it
I remember sony saying they won't do it
but i go check and fucking ark avilible to buy even though its still early access on pc
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>>386376112
I guess I'll just play the cracked version that won't.
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>>386386462
Why do you keep posting this picture lol ?
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>>386387031
He says this after paid mods being revoked due to severe user backlash by PC gamers. He says this after severe user backlash by PC gamers made Rockstar revoke their cease and desist on the OpenIV mod tool.
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>>386387116
>actually rules
please be bait
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>>386387189
>He says this after paid mods being revoked due to severe user backlash by PC gamers.
Gaben said in a interview this February that it's only a matter of timing before he introduces paid mods. he believes everyone right now is angry but eventually they will accept the idea.
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So let me get this straight, you idiots were perfectly fine paying for a blacked LOTR game, but always online is where you draw the line? Now you are going to call them Jews? You deserve everything that's wrong with this industry.
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>>386387031
I would say a majority of gamers don't have any self-control or respect. Enthusiasts fight back against bad business practices, but they can't stop the flood of "idiots" that will buy anything put on the market.
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>>386380719
Oh gee I wonder what's the issue with having to wait several hours or buying it automatically in a game you already bought.
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>>386387281
He can believe whatever he wants. Fact is, paid mods is only being celebrated on consoles via the Creation Club shit that Hines is peddling.
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>>386387282

What?
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>>386386804
Not just any cash shop, a GATCHAPON cash shop where you roll for random orcs.
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>>386387282
>implying I bought the first game
>implying I haven't boycotted all games with jewish practices
The majority of the games I've refused to buy because of their Jewish practices have also been primarily AAA Western ones. Really activates my almonds................
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>>386387338
steam with their facebook 2.0 is a percet place for brainwashed and braindead europeans and canadians
Steam is a cancer to video games like Hollywood is a cancer to movies
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>>386378882
At least this guy gets it.
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>>386376112

Mordor on suicide watch
>>
Welp, yet another game I will no longer be purchasing.
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>>386376112
JUST
U
S
T
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>>386387282
I like it when artist but their own spin on already existing franchises. It creates new, fun perspectives. I dislike jew practices. Go figure.
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>>386380301
neck yourself jew apologist
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>shit like this is considered a reasonable standard for the industry
>moralfags on /v/ still say piracy is bad
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>>386379042
>Hey guys it's totally optional XD
>You just gotta mindlessly grind to get it or get worn down by the grind/RNG until you eventually pay for it

Don't fall for their fucking bullshit. These cash shops make them turn games inherently more grindy and frustrating so you give them more money.

The cash shops benefits nobody in the longrun except them
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I hope the servers are fucked on launch and it gets flooded with terrible reviews
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>>386387610
Well you can just play games and don't use the social stuff.
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MonolithJared just clarified on the game’s Discord channel that the Internet connection is only required to access the Market.

I Repeat MonolithJared just clarified on the game’s Discord channel that the Internet connection is only required to access the Market.
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>MonolithJared just clarified on the game’s Discord channel that the Internet connection is only required to access the Market.

/v/: Not reading links since 2004
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>>386378971
how is it "reducing"? there's several maps and they're all individually bigger than the two pretty small ones from the last game.
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>>386383771
>>386383849
>WB says game is impossible to play without being online
>"Hackers remove online only component only days after launch!"
>"Hackers unlock all items in the cashshop and let players get all DLC for free!"
>"Why always online is good for single players games"
>"Gaming entitlement. Why are gamers so entitled?!"
>"WB closes Mordor studio following low sales. Blames hackers"
>"Wow, thanks gamers for not liking getting fucked in the ass by shitty practices!"
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>>386387568
>Even SP games will be filled with casinos now
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>>386385549
I like you as well
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>>386388086
the cancer that use the social steam already destroyed video games
Early access DLC
always online single player
microtransactions
For Honor (P2P 59,99 multiplayer garbage)

It's not happening, it's over.
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>>386388075
>reviews
>post launch
I point to Diablo 3 reviews. Simshitty had enough other stuff going on to mar review scores and cause retractions. Steam reviews don't stop impulse purchases, either.
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>>386388163
>entitled

I fucking hate what that word has become. Now it is just used to mindlessly defend money grabbing publishers
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>>386386193
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>>386380256
saying it's the devs is the most retarded thing ever. WB has been doing this shit for ALL their games ever since 2015. it was barely even a thing, if it was at all, in the years before.
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>>386388125
>>386388134
WB shills plz leave
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>>386388163
I'd actually love if they stopped raping Tolkien's legacy.
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>>386388305
>you will need to be online so that steam can verify your install+license
Steam users already accepted the online authentication meme on top of Denuvo ''''''anti-tamper''''''
That's depressing.
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>>386388249
Don't buy shitty games, support the ones you like instead.
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>>386388305
I will wait!
I have a gold edition on preorder, so I'm hoping this is just a case of /V/ reeeeing over nothing.
But it does seem like dark day's ahead for vidya.

I hope there won't be another gaming crash, but it might be for the best.
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>>386376112
>So Denuvo is cracked huh?
>Ok, we're gonna make it worse for everybody
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>>386388461
I know, anon. I'm just here to clarify the always-online shit, that's all.
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>>386388516
>/V/
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>>386388469
this is not enough I have to show everyone where is the cancer so perhaps one day after the western market crash people will know why it happened
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>>386388207
You gotta get these kids addicted to gambling at a young age.
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>always online

More like always on the store shelf
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In my opinion they will force always online for single player games
Online authentication + steam verification is not enough
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>>386388639
You gain nothing from doing that unless you enjoy being angry or something.
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ITT: 3rd word poorfaggots with no internet
Fucking pathetic desu.
Get a job.
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>>386388906
there is nothing else to do after something collapse
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>>386388970
it's not about the internet, it's about the principle. just sell the game instead of trying to license it as a service.
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>>386388571
We should have a thread where we give them ideas.
May you volunteer?
Anyway here is one:
>embedded biometric authentication into amiibo-like/content-unlocking gaming devices, mice for example
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>>386388970
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>>386379697
Hey at least in Dead Space 3 you could exploit the hell out of the system with farming for FREE SHIT
It's too bad mark V parts were horribly ugly.
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>>386376112
That's Ok, I have internet.
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>>386385730
>sony
> drm
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>>386389042
>JUST GIVE ME FREE SHIT HURRDURRR
FUCK PAYING FOR THINGS
And this is why nobody takes you PC tards seriously.
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>>386388970
>First they came for...
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>>386376112
>http://wccftech.com/monolith-shadow-of-war-requires-internet/
>MonolithJared just clarified on the game’s Discord channel that the Internet connection is only required to access the Market.

it's still a jewy thing to do (having a market at all is a huge red flag) but pls don't post fake news
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>>386376112
Ppppffffttttttt hahahahahahahahaha why do this? no one is going to buy this shit
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>>386389173
Now you're just baiting, unless you're born in the 00's or something.
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>>386389173
uh what? I said sell the game not give it away
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>tfw i will pirate it and get all boxes for free
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>>386387031
>because pc gamers
you realize the main audience for AAA games is consoles, right?
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>>386386664
If I turn off my internet right now all of my steam games will also play.
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>>386389265
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE FRIES I ALREADY PAID FOR THE STAKE GIVE ME MUH FRIES FOR FREE YOU FUCKING JEW KIKES REEEEEEEEEEE
Pathetic.
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>>386389201
It only just updated with that anon.
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>>386376905
this image made me go XD jajajajaja
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>>386389373
>talk about always online DRM
>suddenly anon loses his shit over piracy
This is some good shit.
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>>386389347
but CoD and Fifa don't kill video games
What kill video games is: early access, early access DLC, always online, DRM, ironic weebs, facebook 2.0, cam whoring in exchange of steam gifts, online shooters, ironic weeb games...
pic related
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>>386378971
did you even play the first one?
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>>386376112
So we got microtranscations for the nemesis system and now drm as well? What else did I miss /v/bros?
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>still unironically playing westcuck games
>2017
Feels fucking good being a part of WeebGods MasterRace.
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>>386376112
>can't even use a fucking trainer now
>forced to shekel it to get through the fucking game

Dropped. What the fuck were they thinking?
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>>386389162
How is console hardware any different than software DRM? It's a physical manifestation of DRM
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>>386378971
The first game's system was split between two maps too so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. You're getting the same shit, just with more maps.
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>>386389502
you can't say something killed video games when the vast majority of games are released with consoles as a primary audience. And weebs are like a minority of a minority. the postergame for ironic weebs is neptunia, and that shit doesn't even break a million sales, despite being on both consoles and pc.
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>>386376112
>single player game
>can't do whatever the fuck I want with it
Fuck this cancer.
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>>386389769
See >>386388305
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>>386388370
This.
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>>386389841
because CoD and Fifa don't kill video games. They are popular since forever
What kill video games are e-celebs and social ironic weeb garbage because they destroy everything about video games
Consoles are now importing MMO garbage and early access DLC thanks to Steam
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>>386390008
it doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same thing, you still haven't explained how a minority (pc gamers) and a minority of a minority (pc gamers who are also ironic weebs) managed to kill an industry that sells millions more on consoles.

See if you just say "steam and ironic weebs killed pc gaming" I'd agree, but pc gaming ain't all of gaming.
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>>386390183
>and a minority of a minority (pc gamers who are also ironic weebs) managed to kill an industry that sells millions more on consoles.
that's easy
Millions of users watch youtube and spread the garbage
Where do they spread the garbage? steam.
Most steam people don't even play games, as you can see 99% of their games are CS:GO and Ubisoft online garbage
Companies need to market.. for instance Nier is 100% directed at youtuber/reddit ironic weeb garbage and they gather on steam.
Now that Nier sold a lot they will continue to make ironic weeb garbage and waifu pandering ass to those low lives.
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>singleplayer game needs online connection
>we need microtransactions to skip that boring videogamey stuff so you can beat the game faster

Might as well add in Microtransactions to skip levels in Mario. Or better yet, hide the golden suit behind a 4.99 paywall. Don't want to actually play the game? Don't worry, you can skip it all for no reason.
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>>386388305
>Everybody in this thread now
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>>386390449
nier sold more on consoles though
almost 4 times more in fact.
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>>386376112
the other game had even more simplified bamham combat, how can anyone even like this games
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>>386390552
that clarification was made after the initial "always online" announcement
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>>386390575
exactly but they don't have a place in Sony to spread the garbage.
Sony is allowing youtube integration which is a disaster because those low lives are uploading shit directly from their PS4
On steam it's worse because they have an entire community to talk about the cancer instead of this staying on youtube only

If nier discussing was contained in small forums and devianart we wouldn't have the waifu pandering clickbait we have now
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>>386390630
Uhmm yeah, that's the point, the game isn't always only, what are you implying?
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>>386376112
I think I will enjoy watching this fail
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>>386390840
online*
Fucking mobile phones
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>>386390587
>first game is notoriously easy
>WB's answer to this is to have players give them money to make the game easier
The fuck is wrong with these people?
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>>386390840
people were pissed off because at first it seemed like the game would be always online, only later did they clarify that the it was only the market you (obviously) needed a connection for.
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>>386390783
desu senpai I'm not sure what exactly is your complaint.
Social features have been a thing on consoles since xboxlive. Then ps+. Consoles fucking pay to play online. And they have their own forums too. ps4 has a fucking share button.
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>>386390840
That when the thread was created, that clarification wasn't given yet. No one was pretending to be retarded, they were merely responding to what the clickbait article claimed to be true.
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>>386389751
>supporting gachapan games
part of the problem
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>>386389751
>being a platform/company/hemisphere loyalist when you can just do your research and decide whether or not you'll like individual games or not
come on now
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>>386390993
anon, it's a fact that social network makes internet worse
Steam is promoting social networking
It's amplyfing youtube and devian art garbage
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SquishyButtsHQ

Less people having access to this kind of social stuff = better for everyone
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>>386388370
>Tolkien's legacy
Do you actually think Shadow of Mordor could be significantly improved by adhering to Tolkien's lore more closely? Are you just upset that people aren't treating your stupid nerd books with the same blind worship you are?
It's just a fantasy setting. It really doesn't matter what specific year Sauron's forces retook the Black Gate.
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>>386391286
true, but my point is everyone is doing it.
See splatoon, they have the little "draw shitty mspaint art here and show it to others in-game" and now it's filled with furries.

Social networking cancer is everywhere. Steam is just following the trend. When it started it didn't have all that shit.
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>>386380268
>I thought SoM was pretty fun when I got it last summer
Was it your first video game or something?
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>>386391484
splatoon shit still less garbage but Switch has more social garbage so it's becoming worse than wii u
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>>386380301
Kill yourself kike.
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>>386376112
Literally no one is suprised by this. thankfully the first game was good, just play that.
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Wii U had all the autism contained in the Miiverse/Nintendo network
Now Switch is promoting integration with smartphones
It will bring more degeneracy to video games

I want at this point that apple and google die already
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/
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>>386376112
>microtransactions in a full priced AAA game
>loot boxes
>always online
>Shelob is now an epic hawt human woman
>sequel to game you could literally play with your monitor off
Can't wait for the usual circlejerk defense force.
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>>386380268
I liked it too. The nemesis system was fun and I hope other games will copy it.
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>>386376112

Thats disappointing and its pretty disrespectful to fans that buy the game. I hope there's enough backlash and preorder cancels that the devs pitch the whole business model. If they don't, fuck this game.
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>>386392234
In the lore wouldnt shelob just be a spider that could talk if she HAS to talk? they could have made her a drider at the very least.
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>>386380268
Its the best of the Batman arkam style games, especially the nemesis system.
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>>386392312
one of the WB guys confirmed it isn't always online, still bad enough they're keeping the microtransactions though
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>>386392234
DELETE THIS
MICROTRANSACTIONS ARE GOOD FOR THE GOYIM
THEY LOVE IT
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You buncha fucking clowns
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>>386382439
what bird
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Aaaand dropped I can survive with the shitty cash shop contaminating it but did they not fucking see how much fucking hate that sims city game got for doing the same exact thing?
>>
I was considering picking up Shadow of War and finally getting around to playing Shadow of Mordor, but everything that has sprung up the last day has more or less killed my interest.
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>>386392709
Watch most of the game count as an "online feature" but technically you can open up the main menu while being offline.
>>
You think the finance guys there or w/e would punch the numbers and see that nickle-diming this hard is long-term losing them more product sales profit than they'd be making via these practices.
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>>386393312
It's already been confirmed that the game isn't always-online. You're a fag for tolerating the cash shop though.
>>
1983 please come back again
>>
Why would anyone buy this piece of shit when it's going to be the same boring bamham/asscreed garbage as the first one with prettier visuals? I bought the shit for five dollars and had fun for like an hour before I realized the entire game was gonna be that repetitive crap the entire time. Might as well just replay Arkham City.
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>>386393493
They don't give a shit. The investors want their money now, so that means short term profits over long term success.
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>>386376686
Slowly, gently... this is how a life is taken.
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>>386390449
CSGO has better gameplay than any console shooter
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>>386393493
Board of Directors don't care, they want more money NOW goddammit. They figure if they pillage as much as they can now it doesn't matter if eventually they have to sell their stocks because the company folds, they've still made their profit.

Finance guy don't care. He's just a cog in a machine and assuming the company doesn't flat out go under it's not up to him to argue with his boss.

CEO don't care. They probably don't know a goddamned thing about the industry and have a golden parachute waiting no matter what happens.


Basically everyone is beholden to a bunch of greedy asshats who don't know or care about games and don't really care about the long term health of the company as long as they make a profit now.
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