Thoughts?

What games are in the lower left corner?

>>386326320
made me reply, 2/10

This picture is retarded bait and doesn't even get actual facts right before trying to trigger people. League of Legends has 30+ million unique players a month but is below Hearthstone?

You're fooling yourself if you think Dota 2 had a larger playerbase than LoL at its height.

>>386326320
Game popularity at its highest peak is retarded. Doesn't take in to account that games in general are a lot more popular today than they were when games like quake or Warcraft were released.

>>386327886
suck my fucking cock faggot, hearthstone might be RNG but League of Virgins is beyond saving.

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>Dota 2
>Highest skill by far

>>386326976
brood wars

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>>386326320
>CS:GO Low skill ceiling
Fucking lel

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>>386326320
IIT: people falling for bait..

The objectively wrong and borderline delusional placement of CSGO always makes me think that was the whole point of this bait image.

I dont think anybody ever hit the skill ceiling in Starcraft, Wacraft 3 or Quake 3. Assfagets and Hearthstone are a joke

>>386329068
It's not bait, OP is just that retarded.

>>386329254

Quake 3/Live is a solved game at this point, has been stale for years.

>>386326320
literally everything about this pic is wrong though

>>386326320
Why are dotatard so insecure about their game that they have to create bait images like this?

>>386328371
Underrated

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>>386326320
I know it's a bait image, but I have a correct chart saved.

What do you think?

>>386329254
No one ever hit the skill ceiling in Dota 2 as well. Even the best players make mistakes all the time.

>>386326320
dota 2 is shit because it's a team game
I just want a fucking one on one game with a high skill ceiling that isn't Starcraft II or a fighting game

>>386326320
(You)

>>386330192
warcraft 3 is more difficult than SC

>>386330353
Why do you think so?

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>>386330192
>SC2 was ever as popular as BW, let alone more
what

>>386330353

>I maek orc chief
>I smash workers.
>I make magician, i maek water elemetal.

Literally the only two strats in WC3.

>>386330192
I don't think that mastering WC3 takes same skill as League of Legends. I mean, LoL has (or had, haven't played in years) rigid meta and monotonous playstyle without deviations. And WC3 is harder than StarCraft.

>>386329045
speaking of csgo, every time I've ever seen this image I immediately think it's get_right, it looks exactly like him

I know it's not him though because he's never shown any emotion in his life

>>386330452
tons of games deviate from this

>>386330451
Yes it was. Literally every normie has played the first campaign. But popularity has faded away.

>>386330452
maybe in low rankings, anon

at the top level the only two strats were spamming night elf archers or making a blade master and hoping claws of attack dropped from the first orange camp

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>>386330192
>league and dota having different skill ceilings
questionable

>>386330524

And once you deviated from that game plan (Like undead death knight with anything but coil level 1) you were fucked.

>>386330628
>questionable
Why? I've played both games extensively and Dota 2 simply has more mechanics to take advantage of.

>>386328350
i don't give a fuck, it's literally the most popular game in the world even if you realize how shit it is

>>386330258
>skill ceiling in Dota 2
You mean pressing the ult button?

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>>386326320
fixed it for you

>>386326320
>two assfaggots on opposite ends of the chart
either the scale is 0 to 0.1 or your brain's scale is instead.

>>386330740
It's all about strategy rather than tactics. Every retard can execute basic combos, but 95% of players don't know which hero to pick to counter enemy team the hardest.

>>386326320
Some shitty bait. Probably fished off of somewhere on Reddit or something.

>>386330192
Move LoL left toward street fighter

>Any moba
>by design simlpified RTS
>somehow harder than RTS

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>>386330789
>Fukken rocket league hiding on the edge of the skill cieling

>>386333167
just because it uses the same camera angle doesnt mean its the same genre but simplified

>>386333621
Oh i forgot its summer again. How about go read up how mobas became a thing.

>>386333670
>everything that was made in w3/sc editor is rts
sure thing buddy

>>386326320
>Thoughts

A decent bait.

>>386333718
I never said that. I said the design of a moba is basically the same as RTS, but very much simplified. I'll explain since it seems to be too hard for you to undrestand

>[insert any RTS]
>remove base building
>remove unit management
>remove resource management
>add hero units
>you are only allowed to have 1 hero unit

and that's how RTS becomes a moba

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MOBAS aren't hard. Just stupid design choices which create artifical difficulty and some abilities where there is percentages involved to make the hero function (PA , Chaos Knight)

Engine errors from WC3 that are present in Dota 2 for no apparent reason except for: -

>muh legacy

MOBAs are good for casuals (I personally hate playing the game now as everyone takes it far to seriously even on unranked games)

Fighting games is the true thinking mans game.

>>386333902
You forgot to add the part where:
>Make said hero units much more complex than their original counterparts

It's not that they're simplified, it's that MOBAs focus and elaborate on one aspect of the game. You wouldn't say that Diablo is a simplified RTS, now would you?

>>386326320
Destiny claims rts is a simple genre once past the initial execution

Is that the general consensus here?

>>386334105
Fighting games are much easier than MOBAs, especially 2d ones. It really boils down to who has memorized the elaborate flowchart better and is able to pull out the correct move faster in one of the few dozen different situations there can happen in a matchup.

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>>386330192
SC2 doesn't deserve to be that far to the right. It's much easier to master than broodwar ever was, not as popular either. It had flash in the pan popularity, that's why it's basically dead these days.

>>386334161
>much more complex
Well, i'd argue against you, but it would be hard for me to prove anything since i haven't played a RTS made on this side of 2010 and had hero units. I'd imagine they would be nearly as complex, but not as powerful as in mobas, because that would hurt the games design too much. The argument with diablo is retarded as because no sane person would claim that diablo is harder than RTS and therefor VERY unrelated to our discussion.

>>386334270
That would be a valid argument if there weren't A LOT of people who have "mastered the flowchart".

>>386326320
>League is easy.
Don't worry boy someday you'll get out of gold.

>>386334347
> haven't played a RTS made on this side of 2010 and had hero units.
Just look at WC3 then. Every hero has only a few tools at their disposal and can use them only a couple of times in an average situation. This means that the decision making behind stunning a ghoul or the enemy hero is not really a decision at all.

>>386334421
Yeah, two masters are just playing elaborate scissors paper rock desu

>>386334421
>people who have "mastered the flowchart".
They just add 50/50s to make it look like an outplay, whereas in reality it's just a guessing game on top of the flowchart.

>>386333902
>[insert any RTS]
>remove base building
>remove unit management
>remove resource management
>add hero units
>you are only allowed to have 1 hero unit
>add gun
>change camera to first person

and thats how RTS becomes an FPS

>>386334478
WC3 is not really a valid example in this case, because it's over a decade old and therefor has very outdated mechanics, but as i said it's pointless for me to argue about that as all i can do is speculate "what could be".
>>386334590
>fps
>with rts engine
That could be interesting...

>>386330789
When the fuck will someone hit rl's skill ceiling? People keep coming up with new shit we have to learn it's not fair

>>386330628
League of Legends is basically forced to have less mechanics. If there were too many unique characters that can excel in some situations while the other ones can't, it would be unbalanced due to the fact that it's hard to acquire champions. Meanwhile, in Dota you have every hero given to you at the beginning of the game, and so you can always pick the character you need.

>>386334660
>has very outdated mechanics
It really doesn't matter. DotA 2 still has some abilities which are quite similar to WC3 abilities.

>>386334660
everything is on unity anyway

>>386334775
It really does matter. Mobas have years of development on top of the wc3 dota which has lead to more complex characters, but RTS' dropped the hero characters as far as i know so the comparison is not very fair.

>>386334660
>that could be interesting...
swear thats already a thing in starcraft 2

>>386334270
That's still harder than mobas though.

>>386326320
i cant comment on much here, but SFIV should not be anywhere near that high up on difficulty. It doesn't include most of the example factors listed, it's just reflexes and memorisation, maybe a little planning.

>>386335868
How is it harder? Fighting games have only a few dozen different situations in any given matchup, while MOBAs not only have almost infinite amount of matchups, but exponentially more possible situations, which makes finding the correct course of action much more difficult.

>all these ASSFAGGOTS in this thread
Fucking lel. Even shmups require more skill than your dumb-downed RTS's.

>>386326320
>csgo is apparently incredibly easy
>but css is somehow leagues more difficult
How? Is there some incredibly large drastic difference in gameplay between css and csgo? Or are you just a bandwagoning loser that dislikes whatever /v/ tells you to dislike?

>>386338090
CSS isn't on that list, kid.