MIDDLE EARTH: SHADOW OF WAR

>>386307141
https://community.wbgames.com/t5/Official-Announcements/Introducing-the-Market/m-p/1611183

>Through the Market, players can purchase Loot Chests, War Chests, XP Boosts and Bundles (accessed only with an internet connection).

LOOT CHESTS IN A SINGLEPLAYER GAME

HOLY SHIT

>>386307141
Ironically, I've been playing Team Fortress

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>>386307220
You're the scum that is killing video games.

Its fine still going to be a fun game

>>386307215
it's the end of the world

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FUCKING PUBLISHERS REEEEEEE

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>>386307141
sure thats cucky but to be fair, in this specific case i dont think it'll matter too much

>To purchase these items, players can spend Mirian or Gold throughout the game as one progresses. Mirian is a type of in-game currency that can be acquired by:
>Defeating Treasure Orcs
>Destroying Gear for Mirian
>Destroying Orc followers for Gear (which can be destroyed for Mirian)
>Finding Mirian stashes throughout the game

>Please note: No content in the game is gated by Gold. All content can be acquired naturally through normal gameplay.

Oh wow it's fucking nothing. If you really care, you can just use cheat engine.

>>386307312
Because I actually play games, instead of masturbating to degeneracy on 4chan?

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>>386307141
>first game was casual shit
>second game is cancerous casual shit

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>>386307215
>The only way to save gaming is for these loot chest systems to be labeled as gambling.

I can't think of any other way to make these companies stop doing it. Unless the government forcefully makes them stop for under age gambling.

I mean I think we all saw this coming with how much money mobile games are making from doing this shit.

>>386307215
>previous game is notoriously easy
>add paid XP Boosts for the sequel
Are these people just oblivious of the outside world?

>excited as fuck for this game
>no doubt will be getting it on release
>suddenly this announcement
I dunno, it really sours the deal. I don't care that all the content isn't gated by the microtransacs, just the fact that it's there is a huge red flag. Scummy as fuck.

>>386307803
Because it's NOT FUCKING GAMBLING because you always get something

This is no more gambling than opening a pack of baseball cards or a booster pack of Magic cards.

It's not gambling until there's a chance you get actual nothing

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>>386307617
anon, it's the setting of the precedent that is the problem. Yes this game it's small no big deal. Just baby steps, and then WHAM few years down the road EVERY game is doing it, and if you want to finish the game you're gonna need to pay $5 for this key to open up the door to the big bads room, sure you could collect 500 key fragments scattered across the 300 kilometer open world of nothingness and open the door that way too.

>>386307953
I don't really see the issue. Mirian was worthless once you got your upgrades in Shadow of Mordor. Now you always have something to spend it on. Nothing is being locked. There's an endless amount of orc generals to kill for miriam

>>386308019
Enjoy your slippery slope doomsday prophecy

>>386307141
Well looks like I'm waiting three years to get the GOTY edition for $5 like I did with the first.

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>>386307983
>the slot machine gave me stickers that are useless
>A-at least it's better than nothing h-ha ha!

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>>386308123
remember DLC?

>>386308179
Don't give them ideas, anon.

>>386307850
>easy money retards will pay them
>doesn't affect me
Honestly it's shitty but pretty smart.

>>386307215

I knew shit like this was bound to happen. It's a slippery slope, folks

>>386308179
I don't know what you're implying by your greentext but yes, that makes it not gambling

I don't know if you're trying to imply I'm defending crates but if they say GET ONE OF THESE ITEMS IN A CRATE! and you open that crate and get one of those items, you haven't gambled

>>386308223
What about it? There will always be varying degrees of DLC. Hell, there was disc locked content in arcade machines made in the 90s.

>>386307983
>This is no more gambling than opening a pack of baseball cards or a booster pack of Magic cards.
opening magic boosters is gambling though

wizards has even gotten into legal trouble over this in the past, and has to put all kinds of disclaimers on shit

>>386307141
jesus christ people focus on EA, Ubisoft, Square-Enix, etc (for good reason) but Warner Bros is a fucking atrocious publisher in their own right. There's no way the developer came up with this themselves. This is clearly a way for Warner Bros to make even more money without effort or risk.

why are poorfags so triggered over this?

>>386307983
>Because it's NOT FUCKING GAMBLING because you always get something
>This is no more gambling than opening a pack of baseball cards or a booster pack of Magic cards.
>It's not gambling until there's a chance you get actual nothing

It's based on variance of monetary value.

This is the reason Wizards go out of their way to never mention the very concept that some Magic cards might be worth more than others.

>>386308019
The precedent's been set. They're in full stride now.

I hope they don't pull that shit in the next Bamham.

>>386308123
>I don't really see the issue.
Because you're ignoring the part that I have an issue with: microtransacs. The way they implement the Mirian and Gold you collect is fine, basic in-game currency shit that's been around for decades. But I get cautious whenever there's a cashshop involved, especially for a singleplayer game. There's always the danger of the pub/dev building the game around it, forcing you to go through the cashshop to avoid an insane amount of grind.

Plus, >>386308019 has a point. The whole 'it's fucking nothing' argument is literally, word for word, similar to how people reacted to the horse armor DLC in Oblivion and even season passes when they were first announced. These days, we've been through DLC cheats with EA, entire endings being gated by DLC like in Asura's Wrath, season passes that mean jackshit like in Bioshock Infinite, etc. A cashshop in a singleplayer game sets a really bad precedent and who the fuck knows how much lower we can go from here.

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>Single-player 'optional' micro-transactions

>>386308019
This game isn't even the one that set the precedent, it was all those multiplayer games like Call of Duty, Overwatch, etc. Shadow of War is just the first big single-player game to do it.

This is no longer a "slippery slope", this is the world we live in now. Unless Shadow of War is a major flop, you can expect way more single-player games to start having this shit.

>>386307141
aw man i really liked the first one too
lore raping aside i was looking forward to the sequel
i can hope that this microtransaction shit is just cosmetic and has no real affect on the game
but ive learned not to hope
why cant devs into sequels right anymore?

>>386308608
Oh god that was so bad I forgot it was a thing, thanks EA.

>>386308019
Didn't they do this in dead space 3 with ration seals?

I knew they would start doing this the second they added microtransactions to single player games. They want big budget games to have the same systems shitty phone games do. If you wanna play this best to just pirate it.

Lol, and the fucks who play FGO or FEH actually defend gacha.

Good job making those games financially successful dudes.

What's next? Gachapon based education? Medicine? Even fucking groceries?

>>386308608
this kills the game

>>386307141
And people expect me to actually pay for games and not pirate them

>>386308689
>i can hope that this microtransaction shit is just cosmetic and has no real affect on the game
>Loot Chests contain gear, meaning weapons and armor.
>Silver Loot Chests cost 500 Mirian, and contain two items, with at least one of "rare" value.
>Gold Loot Chests - Price and contents unknown, will cost Gold.
>Mithril Loot Chests - Price and contents unknown, will cost Gold.
It's not all cosmetic only.

>>386308349
>disc-locked content on arcade machines
They were machines designed for you to spend money on to beat. I don't remember any kind of DLC during or before the PS2 era. Only thing close to DLC was the occasional expansion pack on PC games. People need to put their foot down through their wallet when it comes to DLC.

>>386308348
I'm saying that it's a loophole that they're abusing.

You're paying money to spin the slot machine.

getting the shitty gear is basically the same as getting nothing. You aren't going to use those shitty items, and you can't use those shitty items to make better items.

You spin the slot to "WIN BIG" and get that item you actually want but is a low % chance to get.

I get it, you want to play word games, and side step the obvious connection.

Yes "technically" it would not fall under you're definition of what gambling is.

I'm repeating myself but I guess I have to.

Slot machine->put money into it->chance to get a desired result

loot crate->buy it with money->chance to get desired result.

And yes I do consider booster packs to be a form of gambling, people have wasted hundreds to thousands of dollars on "bad packs" trying to get cards they want.

Are loot boxes officially the biggest cancer to be introduced to gaming? They're like microtransactions except you don't know what you're paying for.

>>386308123
>IMPLYING HORSE ARMOR DIDN'T RUIN GAMING
FUCKING CHILDREN, I SWEAR
YES I AM ANGRY

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>>386308789
>What's next? Gachapon based education? Medicine? Even fucking groceries?

Don't jinx it, I can see that happening. Oh fuck it's gonna happen I can feel it.

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>>386308608
They can't keep getting away with it!

>>386308457
that she blows! whale spotted!

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>>386308789
>defend gacha

No they don't.

>>386307983
That's not true. It depends on the country definition of gambling.

China and Japan have already started to move on gacha/loot crate systems

>>386309034
ww3 will happen before that and kill us all off
please, jesus

>>386308879
I'm talking about the owner of the arcade machine having to pay to unlock more content in the arcade game. The example is Konami's DDR cabinets. You had to pay Konami for a code that would unlock additional songs in the game. This was in the late 90s to early 2000s. Predates horse armor by a few years

>>386309007
It's funny to think horse armor is pretty tame by today's standards.

>>386308948

Well blame Japan for that. The ideal of spending money to get random crate based loot was thing over there for a long time now.

And with the massive success of mobage in terms of microtransactions, western devs have realized that DLC isnt just cutting it anymore.

Welcome to future, lads. It's about gambling now.

>>386308123
>slippery slope
>yet more and more singleplayer and multiplayer games are doing it
I can't believe how narrow minded some people are. That's how you get shit like COD remastered

CheatEngine

>>386309147
if the songs are licensed, that make sense
you have to do that with jukeboxes too

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>>386309154
>inb4 "it's not gambling guys"

>pay2cheat

Okay so don't do it.

>it's le principle!

We're past that. Deal with it or take up another hobby.

>>386308457
Seriously we're not. We were going to pirate this game anyways

>>386309251
They weren't, they were Konami originals. Either way, it's not the same as a jukebox because you aren't adding anything to the machine. The songs were already on the disc.

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Is there a single AAA publisher that actually releases games as full packages anymore? Fucking EVERY SINGLE big game has some microtransaction or pre-order bullshit now. Games aren't games anymore, they're platforms designed to drain retards of their money.

>>386309440
Nothing in this game is held back by microtransactions

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>>386307141

I'm not defending the microtransaction or whatever is they want to implement but to be fair while the first game was very good once you collected everything and played all the side quests (couldn't fuckin re-do the weapon quests, seriously they could've have just made it so they give you money once) there really wasn't anything else to do other than the nemesis system

So maybe this is their way of curving that?

Speaking as a person who played the first game. I'm indifferent to the micro stuff if you can just farm money in various ways like here:

>>386307617


So...maybe its not as bad as it sounds?

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>>386309301
>defending positions of corporations who will happily nickle and dime you
>just lay down and accept it

>>386308789
>Gacha based education and medicine
This already happened decades ago. You rolled lottery to get into a good public school. Some 50 slot for 2000 applicant. If you fail then good luck learning anything from those nigger-infested hellholes. Same with medicine, transplant, clinical trials, etc. They all rolled dice on you. Don't think there is one thing in your life that you can control

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>>386307141
>what is cheat engine
if its online it will be ripped eventually. Even denuvo is not what it used to be

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>2017
>still playing western games

>>386309173
>COD remastered
Wasn't it good? I wasn't following it, but it's pretty hard to fuck up MW1

>>386308464
When you reply to someone you don't have to paste their whole post you fucking redit loving cunt get the fuck outta here

>>386308179
>粉砕する
落ち着け

>>386309664
>the biggest market in Japanese gaming is skinner boxes for phones
It's only a matter of time before it hits their console games

>>386309517
are there a limited number of treasure orcs?
are there a limited number of in-game currency to collect?
how long will it take to collect enough in-game currency to get a loot box?
What is the chance of the loot box giving you an actual useful item?
will you get duplicates from the loot box?
can you turn items you don't want/need into items you want need from loot box items?

There may not be physical barriers preventing content from being accessed in-game but their could be insane time sinks and RNG limiting access making it undesirable to grind over just putting down cash to progress.

>>386309664

This shit started in the east, you fuck. Look at your phone now.

The west are just better businessmen so they're applying eastern gambling techniques to make more money.

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>>386309664
>Western devs literally copying money making ideas from nip devs

I don't understand you're post, the nips are even worse when it comes to nickle and diming the consumer.

>>386309664

As if japanese ones were better. Even Nintendo makes DLC and paid online now.

>>386309836
>are there a limited number of treasure orcs?
nope
>are there a limited number of in-game currency to collect?
nope
>how long will it take to collect enough in-game currency to get a loot box?
no idea. Opening cheat engine and changing an int value.
>What is the chance of the loot box giving you an actual useful item?
Since loot appears to scale according to your level, it might be a good chance.
>will you get duplicates from the loot box?
Yeah it looks like it.
>can you turn items you don't want/need into items you want need from loot box items?
I think I heard you can "sell" it to get some gold back.

>>386309836
I feel like most people didn't play the first game. Potential followers are endless and pop up 2 to 4 at a time. You can just go into a strong hold and brand 20+ followers just by sounding the alarm and staying there. Mirian was absolutely worthless, especially in the other campaigns that maxed out your abilities from the start. Unless they're going to dramatically changed the core aspect of the game, which I highly doubt, miriam will be easy to come by. You can't have the nemesis system work if you don't have a high volume of orc generals to fight.

>>386309523
I don't think anyone has a problem with the game implementing gear or even loot boxes via in-game currency like a regular RPG. The red flag comes when they announce there's a cashshop being implemented to bypass gaining the in-game currency to unlock the gear and loot boxes. What guarantee is there that the devs won't build the game to necessitate an insane amount of grind to get the items if you don't want to go through the cashshop? A cashshop that allows you to bypass playing aspects of the game mean that the devs are incentivized to make the game more tedious than it needs to be.

>>386309301
>I like being fucked by greedy publishers
Fucking pathetic

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>>386309517
See even if we ignore this latest phenomena I already know you're a bullshitting shill, Shadow of Mordor was shoved full of DLC. Even a simple Google search tells me that Shadow of War has Silver, Gold, and Mithril editions being sold by different retails, as well as additional separate pre-order bonuses. So regardless of this new atrocity, Shadow of War is not a complete experience out of the box.

I just want a GAME. Whatever up-front cost it may be, $60, anything, I just want to pay one price and be safe in the fact that the game is a complete experience with no outside bullshit interfering with the experience. But the AAA video game industry won't let me do that, they want to nickel and dime the consumer until they're dry. They want to exploit every single possible source of revenue, preferably ones that require as little effort or risk as possible. And a lot of consumers still eat it up. Rational actor theory is bullshit.

>>386309950

>30 bucks to roll 10 times
>BLACK KEYS
>that one jap who spent thousands of dollars on Nero and didnt even get her

When it comes to jewery, Japs got the west beat by a longshot. At least with DLC you get stuff labeled on the box (usually anyway), but with gacha? Haha, not in a life time sucker.

>>386310124
I didn't say anything about pre orders, I said that that nothing was locked by microtransactions

>>386310180
Then don't reply to my fucking post because I was clearly casting a much wider net than that.

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>>386310125
>>386309950
>>386309664

Behold, the Moon Jew final form

>>386310221
Not my fault you're retarded

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>>386310125
>This anon spent $1200 on trying to get Gilgamesh
>TWELEVE HUNDRED
>Only Evil Cats

>>386307312
You can play TF2 without paying any attention to the crates and mannconomy. Hell the modding and mapping are why I go back.

>>386307803
>government
>stopping profit

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH whew boy you memeing

>>386310271
>this lack of self-awareness

>>386310490
>this lack of reading comprehension

>>386307472
I feel fine.

>>386310295
>1200$
Anon, people got their house forclosed because of this game

>>386310528
seriously literally everything you're saying applies to yourself, fucking comical

feel free to get in the last word friendo

>>386310601
>being this autistic
>being this mad

>>386309664
Because if i just played jap games i will be a fking weeb.

>>386310564
oh I know it's small time.

Gacha is just a literal replacement for gambling for nips sense so-called "real gambling" is illegal so they go all in for waifus.

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I wonder if in the future, even buying games will be loot crate based as well

>OH BOY I HOPE I GET BLOODBORNE 2
>*fork over 60 bucks on game gacha*
>ROLLAN
>KA-CHINK
>"BATTLEBORN 2"

>>386308123
These kinds of paid content tend to use stagnated in-game progress to entice players to spend more money. They'll claim that everything's available through gameplay, but the time and effort needed to get the same content inevitably becomes vastly disproportionate compared to just throwing money at them.

>buy game
>pay to start the game
>pay to move your chracter
>pay to battle
>pay to save the game
This is the future of game industry if people keep accepting this shit.

>>386309767
they introduced microtransactions shortly after release and they're reselling remastered DLC from the original game while charging $5 more than the DLC cost 10 years ago

>>386310917
Anon shut the fuck up don't give them ideas.

Key selling sites could see this and start implementing it right now, and it would be your fault, could you live with that?

>>386310917
Didn't greenmangaming or one of those third party key sites do an offer like that? Spend $5 and get a random Steam key.

I think I'm just plain done at this point. I can't deal with this shit anymore. Loot boxes in every game, DLC, microtransactions are all commonplace. This is absolute shit.

>>386307312
is that a bear or a dog.

>>386311093
>Key selling sites could see this and start implementing it right now
It's already a thing, anon.

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>>386309767
Oh Lord, you didn't hear? About the new guns? And reduced tickrate? And fucked up spawns? And the lootcrates?

>>386311093
I'm pretty sure g2a does this already

>>386311093
Some keyselling sites already implement it. I know for a fact G2A does.

>>386311190
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>>386311202
Oh my fucking god

How did it come to this

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>>386307215

>>386311019
>>386311192
>loot crates in old COD

Please tell me you're joking.

>>386310993
That's usually the case for f2p games, but we already know the how Shadow of War works. The nemesis system does not work without a vast amount of orcs in it. You can create orcs letting time pass or letting a grunt kill you. All of these orcs can be turned into cash to buy boxes OR you could just use those orcs instead of pulling them from boxes. There's no cap or timer or any limiting factor to the acquisition of in game currency like a shitty f2p game.

>>386307215
I love how they somehow thought of a way to Jew up dlc into s bigger moneygrab

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>>386310917
>go to CasinoStop
>pay the mandatory $5 door fee
>go to the cashiers counter to get my gaming chips
>deposit $100 for some gaming chips
>remember I'm a platinum CasinoStop card holder and have them give me credit for my chip purchase
>head over to the new releases
>put in $50 for the first spin
>damn only got half of the DLC for the game I wanted
>put the rest in for the second spin
>damn got the same DLC again.
>Swipe my CasinoStop card on the machine
>well at least I got enough credits for food at CasinoMart.
>Hopefully I don't just get nilla wafers again.

>>386311418
Wish I was. Loot crates in a remastered game that didn't have loot crates.

>>386307803
>for these loot chest systems to be labeled as gambling.
This. Fuck that loot shit.

>>386310472
Some governments ARE this retarded, i.e: gambling is illegal in most regions of Russia

I wish I had infinite money so I could make bad economic decisions, like wasting $$$ on gacha, being a f2p player is suffering

>>386311154
just go full /vr/ with a flashcart or emulators, there's gotta be tons of amazing retro games you haven't played yet

>>386311509
So what's left if you like FPS games but don't want to deal with this cancer?

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>>386308019
>and if you want to finish the game you're gonna need to pay $5 for this key to open up the door to the big bads room
oh my sweet summer child
they did this 5 years ago

>>386311581
There's always school shooting

>>386311576
I've tried that and had fun for the most part but it felt like something was missing.

>>386311571
sadly I do too anon.

I wish I could be a whale.

>>386311710
Well, yeah, there's always that.

Games with lootboxes microtransactions should be banned in countries where gambling is banned.

>>386311418
Why do they have the nerve to call them "Loot Crates" in games. Loot is shit I get for killing and playing the game. If I buy it from some fucking kike/tenchink it's just a fucking crate with bullshit in it.

>>386311173
it's a bog

>>386307215
>>386307472
>>386307850
>>386308331
>>386311361
>>386311424
Did all you retards literally forget Ubisoft exists?

I haven't bought a Ubisoft game in at least 10 years, let alone give them much attention and even I know they've been doing this exact shit. Pretty sure it was with Assassin's Creed too, a game Shadow of Mordor was already aping.

>>386308019
ON THE BONE MEAT

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>>386311940
AC Unity but those had microtransacs for definite items. This is microtransacs for loot boxes that may or may not contain items you want.

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>>386307141
This kind of shit already happened in Darksiders 2 except you also had to spend a limited collectable to buy them.

>>386307141
This game was dead on arrival when it had batman combat.

>>386307141
When are you idiots going to learn? Greedy publishers aren't ruining gaming. You idiots BUYING them is what is ruining games.

Japan does it worse. Have you seen some japanese ports on steam? Their DLC's are overpriced. They go up to 25 dollars just for skins.

>>386312226
Did it have microtransactions? I don't remember it having a cashshop at all.

>>386311685
To be fair, this was supposed to be a sequel until the game bombed and they rushed to finish the story.

>>386312350

>The poison from the king kobra isn't what's killing you, your dumbass walking on the hiking trail is what's making you die.
>When are you idiots going to learn?

>>386311423
Dead Space had a perfectly functional upgrade system too, but that didn't stop producers making them from fuck it up in a sequel in favor of their real money marketplace.

>>386311940
Hello retard

>>386307141
as long as dumb fucks keep buying it they will keep doing this shit. same reason so many shitty free to play games are just rolling in cash

>>386312535
Thank you for proving my point even further

>>386312535
Exactly. Don't mess with the snake and you won't get bitten in the first place

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>>386312605
Off course, that's what best friends are for.

>>386312350
I have never paid money for a lootbox, xp bonus, or special game currency. What else am I supposed to do to stop this shit but complain?

>>386312351
I still have no clue who would pay $90 for one Gal Gun extra.

>>386312226
I hate Diablo loot so fucking much.

>>386312156
Not to defend it but the first game did the same shit on pure RNG. I wouldn't ever have said "hey I'd sure pay for a rune" but there's probably a good number of retards who would.

Ill still play it and wont give a fuck about that part. Thats all

>>386307141
I don't really care. I only buy games used at least a year after they come out and I don't give a fuck about multiplayer. The most exciting part of my weekend was that I got a physical copy of a hack n slash game from 2009.

>>386312891
>$90 for X-ray goggles
I really hope it's just a joke and anyone who buys it is immediately refunded

I don't give a shit about lootboxes and how it's the herald of gaming apocalypse. I'm more concerned about the climax of this game being a massive boner killer with not only lacking a true final boss fight but ending on a damn qte like last time. Or shelob and 60 percent of the game being wasted potential.

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>>386307215
Oh for fuck's sake I loved the first one

I should've known WB would jew up the second when they realized they had a hit on their hands like they did with Bam Ham

This is indefensible

>>386313142
>optional microtransactions in a single player game that can be purchased with regular and easily obtainable currency is indefensible

>>386307215
>Use cheat engine for unlimited boxes
Thanks

>>386312950
It wasn't actually pure RNG, believe it or not. You can influence the system to give you a type of rune based on which weapon you used to kill your target, whether you triggered his hatred or fear, whether you killed him with a mount and whether you used his weakness against him. Regardless, the red flag that's gotten everyone worried here is the fact that they're implementing a cash shop. It incentivizes the devs to make it harder for the players to get the loot they want so they will go through the cash shop. No one will know how true this is until the game is released and we can see for ourselves how severe an influence the cash shop and microtransacs play on the whole thing but people have cause to be worried.

>>386313073
I'd keep the money and deliver an atomic wedgie right to their house or place of business/worship.

>>386312226
tfw I just cheat engined that shit and bought everything.

If it's not Online protected, I'm going to CE it. Same with Shadow of War.

I don't understand why they are doing this in the first place. They are selling the game at full price, $60. And they will no doubt have paid dlc. So what's the fucking point of having lootboxes? It's completely nonsensical.

>>386313387
If people want to pay you additional money for things that they can get for free, why stop them?

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>>386313387
>It's completely nonsensical.
60 dollars + DLC isn't enough you fucking consumer cattle

Calling it now, this game will get a PVP siege announcement soon. Have fun having to re-buy your orcs after XxSephirothxX brands your army while you're offline.

>>386308123
>slippery slope doomsday policy.
You fucking faggot it all started with fucking HORSE ARMOR and nowadays people don't even bat an eye on cosmetic microtransactions.

>>386313427
I guess it's just shitty because at least most companies will fucking release free dlc when they implement shit like this.

>>386313387

Because it works. You have people who actually want the lootbox system of injustice 2 in SFV and other fighters instead of Fight money, unlocking or dlc.

>>386309301
>I love big thick cocks in my ass

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>>386313663
Pretty sure this predated horse armor, you child. Rebuying the whole game for an update was much worse.

>>386313981
Fucking Capcom.

>>386313981
We're not talking about that you retard. Horse armor made it popular and paved the way for what we have now.

On the other hand, I still can't believe how successful the anti paid mod sentiment is. Which how things are going, you'd think that it will pass without any strong backlashes.

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>>386309301
I know this is bait, but if anyone seriously defends this shitty system then they need to find another hobby.

I fucking hate how Jewish modern video game companies, and quite frankly most companies have gotten these days.

>>386314386
Just because you shitposted about it on /v/ doesn't mean that horse armor popularized dlc

My favorite Jew trick of the last decade was changing Heroes of the Storm. The original model was gaining gold from games to buy things with or you could buy it with real money like any other ftp game, once you bought a skin or mount you got all of the shades of it and it was done. The new system is loot boxes with loads of useless things thrown in like sprays, banners, and announcers but the real kicker is you have to buy the shade rather than buy the item and get all the shades so if you want multiple you have to pay for it twice or hope for them in loot boxes. And the best part is the HotS crowd ate it up like it was Christ's second coming. Never would I have thought I'd see people cheering for a jewed system, if you guys think it's some slippy slope conspiracy I can assure you're we're halfway down that slope.

>>386307215
Gaming in 2k17
We need a new angry joe who will project our anger in a video.
Bonus points for naming the jew.

>>386314467
Name another DLC that had such an impact around the time Horse Armor was released.

>>386309523
>there really wasn't anything else to do other than the nemesis system
I think the problem was that there wasn't anything to do WITH the nemesis system. Sure, you could still fuck around, hand selecting orcs and then grooming them to be warchiefs or bodyguards (which I did a bunch of post game because I don't know, it was fun) but there was nothing to do with your warchiefs. Even during the main campaign, the nemesis system barely had any impact on the campaign itself seeing as how you only ever actually used your warchiefs in one mission and then it was over. It was a really neat system but it did little for the game besides making the enemies you fought potentially more interesting.

That's why I'm actually pretty excited for SoW because it actually ties the system into the actual campaign and has more chances to actually use your followers for something. This loot system shit is worrysome though. Even if you don't have to spend real money to use it, I'm still worried about it containing actual rewards that can't be obtained just by playing normally or if it turns out to be the primary way of getting shit like gear and training orders. If the market only serves as a way to suppliment what you'll already be gaining through standard play, then fine, whatever, this becomes barely any different to when they pulled this shit with item/XP packs for games the Tales series. However, if the random loot market is the only way to get certain things and/or the intended way for you to get the bulk of gear/items/training orders, then it will be a massive problem, especially if they pull the general loot box practice of making the f2p method extremely grindy.

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>>386308019
>sure you could collect 500 key fragments scattered across the 300 kilometer open world of nothingness and open the door that way too.
that sounds like my kind of padding
then again i AM a self hating masochist

>>386308179
feels so good if you win though

>>386314916
I imagine there'll probably be "guaranteed" packs for $19.99 or some shit that offer set 100% chance runes, like the preorder for mordor.

>>386314916
The post literally says that everything in boxes can be obtained through normal gameplay

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>>386309950
This
2 nukes were not enough

>>386311472
kek

>>386307141
I'm still buying this game. I just won't buy the paid shit because I don't care so much as to buy extra xp.

>>386315190
It states that nothing is gated by GOLD, which potentially changes what they define as "normal gameplay". This means they could define "normal gameplay" as collecting Mirian to buy the loot boxes.

Until they clarify or the game comes out and we find a definitive answer on our own, this still has the potential to be a problem.

Name one game released today which is free from both of the following:

-Any kind of paid DLC
-Some form of DRM

>>386308879
Too late for putting anything down.

>it will be for skins and gear
>and not for buying cool looking orcs from other players
DROPPED
THE
BALL

>>386316047
Fire Pro Wrestling World

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>>386315635
Technically, they've already stated how Gold and Mirian can be gained via playing the game. That said, there's still the potential for it to be a problem because they haven't specified or shown an example of how much Gold or Mirian you gain via these gameplay methods. If a chest costs 500 Gold but you gain 10 Gold per community event that happens once a month, then it'll be tedious as fuck to grind for gold through 'normal gameplay'. Like you said, until they clarify or we find out for ourselves when the game releases, this has the potential to be a problem and we have cause to be worried.

>>386315220
The beginning of that gif makes it look like the semi is moving maybe 2mph and the douche on the bike is going maybe 5mph so why is the part from the biker's perspective suddenly showing him and the semi going significantly faster?

Also, is the truck fucking CG?

Jesus, and people claim SoA is a well made show. Looks like schlock worse than even Walking Dead.

>>386316047
I don't think there any games releasing today

>>386316047
Slime rancher just got released
There's Subnautica too, or do you mean AAA stuff.
Does ARMS have amiibo support?

>>386316403
>Subnautica
>released
No anon.

>>386316047
Prey
Wolfenstein games and Doom, though they're a few years old

>>386316212
>Awarded in small amounts at specific milestones.
In other words, you'll get 10G during the tutorial to buy a hat and then hit an immediate drought while everything else in the shop is priced over 1000G

>>386316506
>prey
because they scrapped all the DLC for it due to extremely poor critical reception.
doom has paid DLC dunno what you're smoking
wolfenstein has an expansion pack which is just paid dlc

>>386307141
>WB continues to be some of the biggest jews in the industry
And the grass is green

Kind of a shame I really liked the first game.

>>386312564
At first I wondered why you announced yourself after "hello" without any punctuation, but then I remembered you're a retard.

So yes, hello, retard.

>>386316504
It's pretty far along by now isn't it? I know they put out the sea emperor area and that's probably the last main gameplay area

>>386316569
>standalone expansion is paid DLC
????

>>386316569
>doom has paid DLC
It's multiplayer only and was made free some time ago.
Wolfenstein TNO and TOB don't have DLCs

>>386311125
I actually did this. It was $5 for 2 games. Got Mass Effect 2 and Black Ops 3. Decided to quit while I was ahead.

>>386307215
Can't help it desu. "People" love the thrill of opening random loot. If there's a demand for it, the market will adjust to supply it to those idiots.

>>386316531
Exactly. And how is it distributed even? Is the Gold on a per account basis or per playthrough basis? Are the pre-order bonus chests a one time use thing like in DXMD or will they be replenished for every playthrough?

>>386316691
Pretty far along but it's not out of EA yet. There should be another story update either next month or October that completes the story.

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>>386316667
nice one!!!!!!!! sick burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>386316823
The irony is palpable.

>>386311154
I'm not done completely, I plan on playing Nier Automata and at least renting Red Dead 2 but for the most part I'm plowing through the PS2 and N64 libraries thanks to OSD mod and Flashcart.

>>386310917
That's the second I quit modern gaming. Not-Gambling is already enough to make me avoid a lot of games.

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>forcing diversity,microtransaction and political correctness wasn't a good idea

Gee,who would've thought that pissing off 95% of gamers just to please a vocal minority wasn't a good business model.

>>386317328
Then why is it working? The game sold big, even retards here defend it.

>>386317393
This game is out already?

>>386317393
You mean shills and neogaf/reddit refugee.

>DLC is bad meme
Dumbfucks. Content stripped from the base game and sold later as DLC is bad. There is literally nothing wrong with content made post launch and released as DLC. You "people" are fucking mongoloids.

>>386318253
t. anonstein

>>386318764
t. nigger

You're not entitled to free shit, nobody owes you anything. If you want content, you'll have to pay for it.

>>386307617
Same with every MOBA and MMO
>lol you can get every item in the game, you dont need to buy silly!
>in order to get one item you have to grind for 100 hours
Yeah, no thanks.

Doesn't surprise me anymore, crates in almost every triple a game that comes out, yeah it sucks but fuck it's not like it's going to stop anytime soon. Probably will still buy this if not just for the nemesis system

I was pretty put off by this but then I remembered that I bought:
>>386309083 on release

I guess I have standards as long as they don't interfere with games I really want

>>386316569
>extremely poor critical reception.

are we changing history to fit our narrative now?

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>>386307393

>>386307215
If you didn't see this coming after the widescale acceptance of DLC you're blind

>>386319232
Why should i spend more money on the game i already own? Kill yourself.

>>386321153
>on the game i already own?
You don't own shit. Kill yourself, nigger. If you don't want to pay for content, nobody is going to give it to you for free. Go back to stealing cars and getting raped in jail.

>>386321153
>i already own
You do know that you don't actually own it, right anon?

I made a thread about this yesterday, i got 3 replies.
Just don't buy the game

>>386321153
>>386321529

What a bunch of fucking cucks.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi7jt-RvbBM
It didn't look that good in the first place
Just replay the first one

>>386321759
>I made a thread about this yesterday, i got 3 replies.
>Just don't buy the game
I'm playing the first one and is pretty fun albeit too easy. It's sad to see this happening to a sequel that looked promising, but I'll go with this, just don't buy the game and ignore it

>LOOT CHESTS IN A SINGLEPLAYER GAME
LOL

>>386321380
That's why Evolve became so successful, right, you braindead shit?

>>386321872
Are you retarded? You don't actually own the games, you own the right to play a copy of the game

That's a fucking shame. I really enjoyed the first game.

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Gacha is a cancer on video games. Japan is responsible for this cancer.

>>386316237
thats the point and actually how it was filmed. the had the semi moving at 2mph with the guy barely moving, then cut

>People were hyped for this piece of turd
Hahahahahahahaha

>>386312226
It was all bough by in-game currencies

I still don't get what's wrong with selling stuff to people who want it faster, if you can still obtain the same stuff playing normally.

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>including microtransactions in a single player game
>devs have already outlined all the DLC that will be coming thanks to the super ultra premium edition of the game
>no further content will be added despite microtransactions being included in the game

They can go fuck themselves. I can understand the need for microtransactions in multiplayer games as splitting up the player base through paid DLC ends up killing your game faster but at least that is being put towards new content for the game. What the hell is the purpose of having microtransactions/loot boxes in a single player only game when it's obvious you're trying to fleece your players for more money by either making the game grindy to entice players to drop money on these boxes or by constantly shoving it in their faces?

This industry needs to experience another crash to deflate the bloated corpse its become.

>>386322191
>thats the point
The point is to look stupid?
>and actually how it was filmed. the had the semi moving at 2mph with the guy barely moving, then cut
Which would be a clever trick if it actually worked and gave the illusion of everything moving faster than it is but it doesn't. It looks obvious and the cut to something drastically different is just jarring and looks awful.

>>386322591
>They can go fuck themselves. I can understand the need for microtransactions in multiplayer games as splitting up the player base through paid DLC ends up killing your game faster but at least that is being put towards new content for the game. What the hell is the purpose of having microtransactions/loot boxes in a single player only game when it's obvious you're trying to fleece your players for more money by either making the game grindy to entice players to drop money on these boxes or by constantly shoving it in their faces?
>what is Kangzfield 1
worst thing they ever done desu, shits dead af right now

Fair play to them. Customers will still buy it, they've probably only lost about 12 sales overall and they'll gain back thousands of dollars from the new system.

Reminder that this is the game that has blacks in it for no reason, and you dickheads were still hyped (probably even got off on it, losers).

>>386307215
I'll pirate this shit and probably uninstall after a few hours

>>386322595
Just to jump in real quick, I believe he's saying it was posted as an example of western schlock. You guys are in agreement.

>>386322869
The first game was already deviantart tier fanfiction whose only rediming factor was the nemesis system, no one is surprised anymore.

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And to think that I was actually going to play this. What a shame.

I ain't buying this shit now

niggers are not part of middle earth
fuck americans and their diversity bullshit

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>>386307141
>>386307215
I dont understand how is it bad? Its just cosmetics right? The game itself wont change, its just for people who are really into it so they can pay more for what they like.

>>386311901
What is a bog? Could I get a quick rundown?

>>386307141
>lootboxes

lmao wut, why are they necessary at all in a single player game. Fuck off WB, I hope you get shat on

>>386322884
good luck, it'll be 90 gigabytes

Based blizzard speeding up the crash of the industry with their lootbox system
Are they /our/ jews?

Just wait until it makes a billion dollars. It won't matter how much of an outcry there was, it'll become common practice. Just like horse armor.

>>386322585
Yeah same, i love grinding so much, i wish i could farm 100 hours for a loot box.

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>>386321990
>Evolve
Who cares about that trash, you braindead shit? Here, let me tell you a secret: if a game is good, people will buy it and if the game has good DLC, people will buy it too and there's nothing wrong with it, because people pay money for additional content that was not cut out of the game. Meanwhile, niggers like you whine about how entitled they are to free shit, they whine and whine how they should be getting DLC for free even when that content has been made post launch. You are walking trash worse than piratecucks, because the priatecucks at the very least don't whine like beaten bitches.

>>386307141
>>386307215
Didn't Deus Ex pull the same shit with their latest game? And the game ended up as a flop and killed the series.

>>386307141
Kill yourself

>>386307215
We already had paid loot chests in breath of the wild.

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>>386307141
Loot crates in a single player game, you say

>>386323393
Yep and everyone lapped it up and bought it even knowing that. They clearly liked the system hence they bought the game.

>>386323426
how does cheat engine even work? it seems like literal magic every time someone talks about it

>>386323320
>Deus Ex is arguably the best game ever made.
>Sequel kills the series by being consolized trash.
>Prequel almost a decade later does well even though the plot is nowhere near the level of the first 2 games and is consolized trash too.
>Sequel to the prequel is unfinished and published by Squeenix jews so it sells like crap and kills the series for the second time.
Sadness.

>>386323652
It plays around with the memory. The game thinks it has 4 of something, you change that value to 9. Game now thinks it has 9 of something.

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>instead of finding carefully placed loot throughout the game, everything is replaced with random loot crates

>>386323248
>i love grinding so much

This isn't a Korean MMO, why would you ever need to grind?

>>386307141
Wish more stores than Bundlestars would start lowballing the price on WB games close to release.

If they're gonna nickel and dime the fuck out of people, the base game should at least be half price or less from the start.

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>>386323787
....so I have to ask. what's in the basket?

>>386323787
>fine a hidden path
>follow it
>fight special enemies
>even a hidden boss
>find the secret chest after loads of time and effort
>open it
>30 minute coupon for 10% off a loot crate

>>386324168
Many publishers know that but their high as fuck production and marketing costs prevent them from lowering the price, thats why most AAA games are on sale just a few weeks after release, they just don't meet sale numbers without a discount anymore.
It's a vicious cycle at this point, it's destined to fail.

>>386307312
OwO

What's this?

>>386324441
Yeah, and when it fails and publishesrs will see that their profits can't keep up with the production and marketing costs, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think the publishers are going to cut marketing costs? LMAO. They're going to cut production costs by outsorcing even more shit to pajeets and leaving Western studios without jobs.

>>386311173
>>386324619
Akita puppy
best breed

>>386307215
This is the future of gaming you chose.
Next Assassin's Creed also has single player loot crates.

>>386323670
They never reached the heights of the first but the subsequent games were all still enjoyable.

>>386307312
omg that looks like a tiny bear. So cute

>>386307141
>MICROTRANSACTIONS, LOOTBOXES AND CRATES LITERALLY KILLED GAMING
I don't see any of these in games by good directors. I've been playing Vanquish, Bayonetta and Dark Souls, and it's perfectly fine. Your problem is playing hideous shit like this garbage.

>>386309440
>Is there a single AAA publisher that actually releases games as full packages anymore?
Just stop playing AAAs. You dumb shit.

>>386308612
>first singleplayer game to do it
What about Desu Ex Mankind Divided?

>>386325505
Not enjoyable enough no not kill the series.

>>386307141
>DOA
Yeah right. I fucking hate microtransactions but normalfags eat this shit up.

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>>386307215

>>386326546
Anon... Those games came out 6-7 years ago.

>people are dumb and love to pay for skins and shit
>dumb people love to open random boxes
>add loot box in every game
>make tons of money
>people that dont want to pay (less dumb) get fucked
>only dumb people play videogames in the future

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>>386307141
>Get the foot in the door with the first game, buy GOTY awards to establish the series as a hyped product
>Squeeze the players for all they're worth with the second.

Anyone who buys this game is a boiling frog.

>>386325498
>.1% chance to get loot crate containing hidden blade

>>386307312
>You're the scum that is killing video games.

No, those are the people that play PlayerUnknown and Fortnite.
>paid beta
>microtransactions

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>>386307141
blame the pubgfags and csgofags for defending and accepting this shit.

>>386325498

Unity already had them, Syndicate had them, and somehow, no one's life was permanently ruined

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>>386307141
>>386307215
>everybody love it
>hundreds of thousands watch chest opening videos on twitch for hours
>peopel spend billions of $ on it

NO
STOP HAVING FUN REEEEEE

Why is /v/ so autistic again? Sure i or you might not like it, but literally everybody love it and think its the best thing since sliced bread.
We all know that some will grumble, but in teh end people will buy those loot crates, no matter if its single or multiplayer, and they will keep buying it and it will become even bigger part of games.
Its the same shit as horse armor dlc back 10 years ago, at first some raged, and now buying skins and gimmicks is the norm.

>>386328904

It's objectively shit though and people have known it for well over a decade with F2P MMOs and F2P incarnations. The game developers will tune the game in a way to pressure players to spend on microtransactions.

Horse armour DLC might make the game fun for some idiot who buys but it doesn't make the core system worse. This fucks with standard play progression in order to squeeze more money out of people willing to pay, the way of obtaining the same things ingame without using real money will end up like a Korean MMO grind.

>>386307141
>WB games
Good, can´t wait to buy it on a keysite for $10 one month after release

>>386307215
Fuck this, was gonna buy the game but this killed it.

>>386307983
>Because it's NOT FUCKING GAMBLING
Yes, it is gambling. You are after specific items, these items hold more monetary value than others, not getting these valued items will cause those with low self-control to keep spending money. It is literally the definition of gambling.

>>386307141
They're literally trading in hardcore fans for people with a gambling problem. That's literally what this is, it's a choice made by the publisher.

>>386307141
having a 100 eruo season pass was enough for me to kill it.

day one pirate.

>>386307141
Buying shit like this should be a punishable offense

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>>386307141
>>386307215
what do expect from wander AKA (((Wonskolaser))) brothers?

jews got to jew.

>>386323104
it would have been better if they rewarded you these items for playing the game a certin way. this is just Jewish behavior in its finest.

>>386329916
>gambling 'problem'
lol

>>386307141
now i can kill some orcs with my ugly neon colored "retro night" sword

>>386327921
Neither of those games had buyable loot boxes anon. It had microtransactions for the gear and weapons but they weren't in loot boxes. Neither are good though since the core issue is with the microtransactions, not the fact that loot boxes exist at all.

>>386309301
>enjoy getting that dick up your ass or leave.

why the fuck are you defending corporations? they dont give a shit about you.

>>386307141
Welp, I guess Monolith is now on my boycott list. Bye bye, retards!

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>>386323104
>>386323104
>I dont understand how is it bad? Its just cosmetics right?

No it's literally anything and everything to do with equipment, EXP and even Orcs. So essentially every aspect of progressing in the gameplay has been tainted by this:

>Loot Chests contain Gear (weapons and armor) of varying rarity. Equipping and upgrading these weapons and armor enhance Talion’s character abilities. Loot Chests can also contain XP Boosts that help level up Talion faster.
>• War Chests provide Orc followers of varying rarity to help forge a strong army. They can also contain Training Orders to level up and customize Orc followers.
>• XP Boosts are consumables that help level up Talion faster.
>• Bundles package up Loot Chests, War Chests and Boosts together at a great value.

So if you're dumb enough to buy the game and you feel you're levelling up too slowly, that you're not finding much rare equipment or all the Orcs in your army are shit you can thank the microtransactions.