How did Miyazaki manage to fuck up harder than the B team?

>>386283442
>it's another DS2 vs DS3 bait thread

Can't you guys talk about the actual merits of the game and it's individual gameplay instead of arguing all about about which one is better?

Miyazaki didn't touch this game, Bamco just slapped his name in the credits because he's a big boy in the industry now.

>>386283645
Duck you

>>386283442
DS3 was a game Miyazaki didnt even want to make so he sabotaged it with leftover scraps that didnt make it into bloodborne

>>386283442
He didn't.

>>386283706
This. Bamco treated DS3 like most LN adaptations are handled in anime. The first season is very good but lots of room for improvement. All the sequels are rushed and most labor is farmed out to the chinese or some other lesser gook country.

source : DS3 credits

Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2

The game was really, really good. If the world had more connectivity it would be 10/10 gotyay

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>>386285541
>Dark Souls
>Higher than Bloodborne

>>386285541
God tier taste anon.

>>386285656
Yes. In bloodborne they went back to a worse healing system, less viable stats for your build (just dump everything into the same shit), no real choices when it comes to armor and you use the same weapon through the entire game.

>>386285541
Played Dark Souls to death. Haven't touched any of the other games but watched every Vaati video about them and I agree on this list.

the only good souls games are the ones that sony codeveloped (demon's, bloodborne). The first half of DaS is a fluke and is based off DeS anyway, burg/parish is boletaria and depths/blight is valley of defilement. Sens is straight up removed sixth archstone stuff

>>386286598
Oh I guess I should also mention Painted world is also really good which is the most "demon's souls" level in the game

>>386286405
>Haven't touched any of the other games but watched every Vaati video about them and I agree on this list.

Oh no.
It's retarded.

>>386285564
Unironically this.

Some minor stuff could be said about making rolls cost more stamina, making all spells holdable and some true combos being too overpowered in pvp. Aside from that it's the best Souls, /v/ are just being the usual edgy contrarians.

>>386286598
Demon's Souls' poor healing system was easily abusable (grass)
Item burden was retarded.
Tendency was a good idea but poorly implemented.
Magic was the most OP than in any other
And yes, while DaS had a poor second half, DeS has 4-2 with no shortcut to the boss, 5-1 and 5-2.

It's a good game, but not that good.

>>386283442

DeS>BB>DaSII>DaS>>>>>DaSIII

>>386287102
Oh shit nigger what are you doing

>>386287102
Such bad taste.

>>386286945
>Demon's Souls' poor healing system was easily abusable (grass)
much better than estus/bonfire system where you never run out and are encouraged to rush to the next bonfire with no consequences

>Item burden
won't deny, fuck this

>tendency was a good idea but poorly implemented
only thing that was bad was that it went to a global average after you exit the game and come back, but that's mitigated by playing in offline mode

>magic was the most OP than in any other
I have to disagree, the magic is DaS1/DaS2 is fucking ridiculous. It's unlimited in DeS but the spells are far less strong, you can kill any boss with the base uses in das1/2.

>DeS has 4-2 with no shortcut to the boss, 5-1 and 5-2.
don't need a shortcut to the boss, git gud

>>386286945
Also most of the bosses are gimmicks like Fool's Idol and Dragon God.

>>386287261
>much better than estus/bonfire system where you never run out and are encouraged to rush to the next bonfire with no consequences
In Demon's Souls you are encouraged to grind and therefore never run out too. Through most of DS you only have 5 estus between bonfires.

>>386287261
>much better than estus/bonfire system where you never run out and are encouraged to rush to the next bonfire with no consequences
I can't believe you're even trying to argue that grass is better than estus.

>only thing that was bad was that it went to a global average after you exit the game and come back, but that's mitigated by playing in offline mode
The problem with this is it lessened the online activity. People would either A) play offline to negate changes between play sessions or B) kill themselves in the nexus after every boss. Either way it meant less activity, so it was poorly implemented.

>I have to disagree, the magic is DaS1/DaS2 is fucking ridiculous. It's unlimited in DeS but the spells are far less strong, you can kill any boss with the base uses in das1/2.
This is just wrong.

>don't need a shortcut to the boss, git gud
Yes, yes. "git gud" etc.. very nice. That's no excuse for poor level design.

>>386287293
which are good for the most part, dragon god sucks but i'll fight him any day over BoC

>>386287426
>In Demon's Souls you are encouraged to grind and therefore never run out too
you arn't encouraged to do shit, grinding out because you can't win is your doing

>Through most of DS you only have 5 estus between bonfires.
If you played on console in the first two weeks of release I'd agree, but since then humanity is so goddamn plentiful you have no reason not to kindle. This is of course optional, but you're treating grass like you have to grind it out so I'll treat bonfires as perma kindled

>>386283442
I'm barely at Cathedral of the Deep, but I like it so far.

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>>386287574
>>386287426
>not encouraged to grind grass
>but encouraged to rush to the next bonfire in DaS
m8, you're an idiot

>>386287732
This is where I realized DaS3 was going down the DaS2 path

>>386287893
you progress through the game by getting to new bonfires, you don't by grinding out grass

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>Dark Souls III is ba-

>>386288018
I remember being jumpscared by that huge crocodile thing

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>>386285541

I havent played Demon Souls or DaS 3

Dark souls is one of my favorite games of all time. I did multiple playthroughs of it on both xbox 360 and PC.

How is the magic bar compared to how DaS1 did with magic where they gave you a set number of spell use instead? Which do you guys like better and why? Did the magic bar regenerate over time on its own like stamina?

>>386287985
Yes, but you're not encouraged to rush from bonfire to bonfire like you're suggesting. You can hold 99 grass, so doing that would make the game much easier. I see that as more encouragement to grind grass than to rush to the next bonfire for the majority of players.

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>DaS2 is a very good game
>People meme'd it so hard that it's bad that the rep is done for
>DaS3 is for real mediocre and bland
>Now Miyazaki is exposed and the "B" team is rectified

Like how it should be.

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>>386287818
>DkS
the worst thing about that picture

>>386287902
How so?

>>386287818
Day of the rake when?

>>386288093
>grinding grass
>game comes to a halting screech

>rushing bonfires
>unlock new areas/progress throughout the game

hmmm

>>386288070
In demon's souls you can use items to replenish MP and each spell uses a certain amount of MP. Certain gear regens MP.

In dark souls 3, you have a pool that both spells and special weapon attacks use. You can split your estus between 2 types, 1 to heal HP like normal and 1 to regen MP (so if you have 9 estus, you can have say 6 healing and 3 magic estus if you want)

>>386288187
everything felt samey, there are like 3 cathedrals at that point. While the enemies look different unlike the guys in suits in 2, they all fight the same. Wait for an attack, roll back twice to avoid the 3-4 hit combo and counterattack. I also feel like DaS3 is even easier than das2 which was even easier than DeS/DaS

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>>386288117

>>386288117
Too bad DSII will always be seen as the worst Souls game.

Like how it should be.

>>386283442
I like Dark Souls 3 better than Dark Souls.

>>386288226
>grinding grass
>makes game, and exploration easier for people who struggle or want an easier time

>rushing bonfires
>not even playing the game, just running past everything. Will get smashed when you run in to a boss and can't do it.

Hmmm

>>386288361
DaSIII is easily worse by a lot
I enjoyed a run but will never touch it again, sadly.

>>386288117
actual answer: both DaS2 and DaS3 are mediocre

Even Matthewmatosis didn't do a video on this tripe.

>>386288117
It's basically the same thing that happened to the Star Wars prequels
>obviously not as good as the original but still decent
>memed on for years
>the newest installment couldn't possibly be seen as worse no matter how bad it is because nostalgiafags

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>>386286945

>>386288697
Kinda, yes

TFA was insulting to varying levels. It's the worst case scenario for the SW franchise: Now it's run by propagandistic jews.

>>386285541
DS1 and BB are like 1a/1b. BB's pvp was nonexistant really but the game as a whole was a step above DS1

>>386288924
>BB's pvp was nonexistant really but the game as a whole was a step above DS1
My response: >>386285843

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>>386288924
>Didn't have an interconnected world like Dark Souls
>Inferior healing system
>Less build variety

>Step above

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I liked DS2 and DS3.

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>>386288393
>grinding grass
>makes game, and exploration easier for people who struggle or want an easier time

so tl;dr, git gud

>>386286678
The Painted world isn't anything like DeS since it's actually good.

>>386289435
(you)

>>386289526
DeS has good level design but it anything compare to the other Souls games even DaS2.

>>386285541
BB > SotFS = DaS1 > DeS >>> DaS3 >>> DaS2

Felt to me like he didn't really want to work on it, but had to because of the bamco contract.

>>386288018
DaS3 looks like trash.

This one fucking screen is commonly posted simply because it's the only fucking vista in the entire game that isn't fecal brown, vomit green, or gears of war grey, and likely because it comes right after one of the visually ugliest and laziest areas in the game, Carthus.

Even then, once you actually get into Irithyll the city turns to the same garbage pallet as everywhere else, just with a desaturated blue light cast on it.

>>386290276
DAS3 looks good.

you have to be a dumbass to like 2 more than 3
im not even gonna bother giving points cause if youre too inept to see the problems in 2 and improvements in 3 then youre so far off the spectrum there is no hope

you have to be a dumbass to like 3 more than 2
im not even gonna bother giving points cause if youre too inept to see the problems in 3 and improvements in 2 then youre so far off the spectrum there is no hope

>>386290767
>>386290832
you could say that again.

He didn't? Dark Souls 3 plays better than any of the games in the series from a PVE perspective. It certainly feels a little bit tired, but any game based in the same universe(stupid thing for them to do in the first place) would, which is why they had the good sense to end it.

It's a fun, functionally great game, but not a classic like the other three games he did. Not worth freaking out about.

>>386291216
>He didn't? Dark Souls 3 plays better than any of the games in the series from a PVE perspective.
No. Enemies are way too aggressive to be challenging. The only reason anyone ever dies in DaS3 is because enemies will inevitably score a multi-hit and instantly kill the player. Other than that the A.I. is so fucking retarded that they can be baited into doing the dumbest fucking shit, like running off ledges, into traps, or sent swinging off into the horizon with their overly long combo chains while you just go about the area unchallenged.

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>>386290276
>DaS3 looks like trash.

>>386291631
>This game looks like shit, therefor this other game looks good.
Nah.

Reminder that everyone only likes demons souls cause it started the whole thing

>>386292138
reminder that you are wrong

>>386292138
For sure. It's innovative game in the series and the first one I experienced, that has a lot of weight.

>>386283645
no, because DaS2 was never given that kind of consideration

>>386283645
Whenever anyone talks about the merits of DaS2, it just causes /v/ to chimp out.

Which is why it's so great to talk about DaS2.

>>386283442
Because Dark Souls 1 was a happy accident and they'll never be able tomrecrwate such a masterpiece again. It really was unbelievable for its time.

>>386292510
>It really was unbelievable for its time.
I couldn't believe how awful Lost Izalith was either.

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>>386292510
*ahem*

Excuse me, you beastly idiot, what did you just said?

>>386292425
this

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>>386293113

>>386288068
Fun Fact: If you riposte those things by hitting them on the head and they live, they begin to pray/beg for mercy

>>386294145
Creepy as fuck, to be honest.

>>386289070
The interconnected world meme needs to die.

That's not DS2

>>386292510
>demon's souls
>bloodborne
It wasn't a fluke, the other souls games are just cash grabs. FromSoft sold out.

>>386295601
It's not a meme, but it really takes a while to become actually non-linear unless you start with the master key or know exactly what you are doing. Until you can access Darkroot the game heavily railroads you and DaS2 is strictly more non-linear overall even if DaS1 does more interesting things with its non-linearity.

DaS3 was the best Souls game until Irythill, the Boreal Valley with its shitty enemy placement and awful slogs of combat. There were a few bright spots afterwards, the Irithyll Dungeon and the Lothric Castle areas especially, but the terrible DLCs really ran this game into the ground.

Shame because DaS3 has my favorite bosses in the series.
>OOOOOCELLLLOOOOOTE