So, which was superior for leveling?

>>386246671
Eastern Kingdom 100%. Plus, it has Booty Bay. Who the fuck doesn't like Booty Bay?

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Kalimdor. Nothing beats the Barrens, Ashenvale, Winterspring and Thousand Needles.

Elywnn Forest > Durotar though

How many of us still gets the itch to play wow again?

>>386246671
eastern kingdom = Comfyness
Kalimdor= efficiency

nothing beats the comfyness of gnome/dwarves leveling path

>>386247352
I do. I recently quit in March because of school and I didn't feel like paying every month if I was barely going to play it.

>>386247352
Literally have it right now. Quit again a few weeks into 7.2

I don't even know what I want out of the game, but I feel like I should still be playing. Probably because I've been playing since 2007

>>386247352
I do really bad, I can buy it again right now and I just want to so bad.

>>386246671
You really needed to mix the two for optimal leveling, but Kalimdor was more unfinished than EK.
>>386247352
I spent 250 hours on Elysium in January getting to 60, ran Strat once and then quit. I think I finally got my last fill of WoW. I'll probably resub for a month when the game is going to shut down just to revisit all my memories and characters one last time.

>>386247352
Yea, but I know it's not he same game anymore.

>>386246671
I mean in vanilla you kinda had to switch between both places because you didnt have enough quests for 1-60 on one side.

>>386247352
That is why I play private, it scratches the itch and I don't have to invest.

barrens was the best 10-20 zone
having to walk for 2 hours to finish a quest was part of the fun

>>386247352
I played start of legion.

Just isn't the same game whatsoever. They even did another big ability pruning pass over of the classes again to simplify it even more.

Even MoP felt more like actual WoW than legion.

if you get the itch, instead of giving your money to blizzard, just play a normal rates private server.

Undead zones are toppest tier.

>>386247846
mop is literally the best expansion.

>>386247905
I personally prefer wrath, but I did enjoy pandashit.

>>386246671
Can you even compare them? 30-40 you go to STV, 40-45 you go to Tanaris. Restricting yourself to one continent seems silly, and I don't even know if it's feasible.

>>386248025
wrath wouldve been sick if it was actually finished.

>>386247905
Fuck off.
TBC > Vanilla > Early Cata > Wotlk >= MoP > Legion > Late Cata > WoD

>>386247576
>getting ahead of the 11k queue because of a server restart multiple days in a row
>racing to stay ahead of the massive pack of players all fighting for quests
>that amazing feeling when you finally left the Barrens and entered a zone with only a dozen or so players in it to compete with
it might have been a corrupt piece of shit, but it was a damn fun time. too bad all the upcoming private servers are hosted in America and doomed to fail

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>>386248118
why fucktards fellate TBC is absolutely beyond me.
fucking cancer expansion.

>>386247352
I don't have that anymore. I tried playing on private servers but it was just too shitty.

>>386248204
Please enlighten as to why it's "cancer". As opposed to MoP with it's homogenization of all the classes for "MUH BALANCE" despite cata solving the issue already. Or Wrath with RDF and Heirlooms completely killing the MMO aspect of the game.

>>386247352
I do but I just can't get in to modern WoW, my brother bought me some game time. It was just depressing.

>>386247352
I played from release to 2012, I've felt the itch grow slowly since around 2015 or so, I just wouldn't know where to start nowadays.

>>386248204

What did you dislike so much about it?

>>386247352
I still play, but it's on Moon Guard.

>>386247352
Played on a private server as a druid. I got to 40 and realised that I don't want to spend all my time raiding again, but I don't want to play PvP either.

for Horde, Kalimdor easily if we're sticking to only one continent.

Modern WoW is fun for like 15% of the game, being the raids and pvp. But for 95% it's just instance simulator, first for 830 in normals, then 840 in heroics, then 850 in mythics, etc, then your artifact, etc.... People complaning about grinding in vanilla but jesus christ, Legion is literally nothing but grinding.

>>386247352
I did. Resubbed and played for 2 days before quitting.

I'm finally free.

>>386248204
t. angry blizzard dev. Go away jeff.

>>386247576
>I spent 250 hours on Elysium in January getting to 60, ran Strat once and then quit. I think I finally got my last fill of WoW. I'll probably resub for a month when the game is going to shut down just to revisit all my memories and characters one last time.

exactly same happened to me and my 4 irl friends.

we ran dungeons all the time while leveling, and as soon as everyone dinged 60 we pretty much stopped playing, ran lbrs once and that's it.

>>386248380
>Please enlighten as to why it's "cancer".
Easy.
>arena faggotry with a gay esports push
>every dungeon literally a fucking hallway
>dungeons reusing assets like mad fuck
>flying trivializing travel and world pvp
>advent of dailies
>advent of daily dungeon gating
>start of welfare gear on the sunwell isle
>terrible non Warcraft aesthetics
>every single thing about caverns of time
>worst lore rape the franchise ever experienced
Pretty much every single thing people dislike about modern WoW started in TBC.

>mop
>homogenization of all classes
LMAO

>want to play with /v/
>they only roll on the most overpopulated shitscript servers
>they only play alliance

Both sucked.

Every zone after the initial first 2 starting areas forced you to venture off midway through until you were high enough to continue the 2nd half of the quests.

>>386248773
I think you've just described Wotlk instead of TBC.
Wotlk is the worst thing that ever happened to wow and ive been playing since beta.

>>386248773
There was plenty of good to come with the bad, enough to find it enjoyable, but it really was the beginning of the end. You also forgot about 2.3 nerfing and streamlining most of the old world.

>>386248987
No those things I have listed all started in TBC.
WOTLK didnt do much but solidify what TBC set in motion.

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>>386248821
>People playing on servers other than Illidan

>>386248380
>>386248469

Not them, but half of the zones were barren and empty. Gear was a slew of rainbow colored mess. Classes still only had 1 maybe 2 viable specs up until the very end.

WotLK was the true apex of the game in terms of class quality, world design, aesthetic, dungeons, raid accessibility, etc until 3.2 landed and sent the MMO into it's downward spiral. Even PvP in WotLK was better.

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>>386248821
>want to play with /v/

>>386248821
>want to play with /vg/
>realize what kind of mistake I am about to do
>don't want to play with /vg/

>>386246671
Eastern Kingdoms.
If you choose kalimdor you're a horde degenerate.

>>386247352
I still play. I've been playing since vanilla.

>>386246671
Kalimdor had the best zones, though they were both required to get 60 back in the day.

1- 60 questing is still the best this game has to offer. It's all downhill afterwards.

>>386248773
I agree with most of this but why do you hate CoT? Didn't you think the 5 mans were cool at least? I mean I'm an RP fag, I hated the lore being bastardized but Durnholde Keep gave me shivers.

>>386248773
this
TBC set up the framework for all the cancer that would kill WoW and basically killed off world content. Battlegrounds became obsolete with AV being ruined in particular, endgame just became purely about raiding. Dailies weren't even around until 2.1, there was literally fucking nothing to do but sit in Shattrath finding heroic groups

>>386248380
MoP was still good.
Gameplay wise
pandas were in the lore since warcraft 3 but should never have been a playable race.
Still I really enjoyed pandaland pvp
played all day everyday
WoD made me unironically want to kill myself and legion is the same.

>>386249120
Wrath only achieved class equality through homogenization. TBC had specs that were weaker and less desirable, but you could very well still find a raidslot as them if you were dedicated. Nothing would ever be like Vanilla Prot Paladins.

>>386246671
Depending on what you mean by "superior for leveling", Kalimdor had more enjoyable zones but Eastern Kingdoms was faster overall for leveling.

The one big exception was STV, which was a It A'int Me-tier warzone that was fun as fuck to play in, but slow to level up through.

>>386249305
they made it way too quick now. By doing a handful of quests you outlevel the other quests and never really complete full quest chains before you have to move on to the next

>>386249392
I think Caverns of Time are a great idea as a concept but a terrible thing to set up as a dungeon.

Its lore heavy and really nice to replay those events, but its only really nice once.
CoT1 and 2 had heroic versions you had to grind for rep and loot, so you had to deal with the RP over and over and over again.

Caverns of Time shouldve been a questing zone, or maybe handled like the scenarios in MoP. A thing you do once or twice and then move on.

>>386249305
Vanilla was the only one that nailed the slow feeling of progression, multiple inter-weaving storylines that go on across several zones, and actual difficulty. I gained a serious appreciation for it playing on Nost.
BC just sucks in comparison despite not changing much. So many "kill 30 guys" quests, gathering 20 items off the ground, and the only innovation was bombing run quests.

>>386247352
just grab two months out of the blue a couple days back. been away for a bit but it's satisfying to dip bck in now and again and dick around in azeroth

>>386248654
I resubbed for a week and quit too anon. I still feel as if I want to play another MMO though.

Vashj'ir was the best zone in any expansion

>>386248773
And yet none of that is worse than the addition of Heirlooms and random dungeon finder, or the complete butchering of any class variety in MoP. People like to shit on Cata all the time, yet the classes still felt different in that.

>>386249824
>And yet none of that is worse than the addition of Heirlooms and random dungeon finder
yes it is. fuck off.

>>386249639

>grinding for pets on the Hyjal raid

Just kill me now

>>386249895
>yes it is. fuck off.

>completely killing off the MMO aspect of a MMO , or completely killing off any sort of class variety in order to appease balance faggots is better than giving arena some light

Why not just play a fucking MOBA then, seems like all you want to do is sit in que for an instance all day.

>first mmo is conquer online
>move to wow as soon as it launches
>music blows me away
>open up the map and get scared because of how big the world is
>grind up level 15 because I had no idea what quests are

Outland was a fucking slog to level through even when it was current content. Thank fuck for WotLK

>>386250021
Epin strawmen right there, exactly the type of retard response I expect from a TBC dicksucker.

Off yourself

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>>386246671

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>>386250064
They literally thought that opening up an expansion with Hellfire Peninsula was a good idea.

If it wasnt the first expansion for WoW and if hype levels werent off the charts people wouldve shat on it so hard.

>>386248773
Fucking this. Plus raising the level cap in the first place was a terrible idea because it made all of Vanilla irrelevant.

>>386247352

I don't. Cataclysm was a disappointment. Warlords of Draenor was a disappointment. Legion was a disappointment.

I literally don't care about World of Warcraft anymore.

>>386247352

I'd like to play TBC again. Outside of Gummy (RIP), is there any good server alive and kicking with decent pop? EU btw.

>>386250048
>>grind up level 15 because I had no idea what quests are
how on earth did could you have managed to not figure out what quests are? the game tells you about quests the moment you start your first character. you would have had to deliberately not read the tooltip, close it, and then go into settings to turn off hints. also, you start facing a character with a big yellow exclamation mark over their head. how did that not get your attention?

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I actually think that Legion is pretty dope in many ways, its just that it requires me to play the game too much and I honestly cannot be assed to play a game that old for ten hours a day at least.

So I quit.

>>386250326
Sadly not.

Reminder that if you picked Borean Tundra over Howling Fjord you're a faggot with shit taste and no loyalty to his Dark Lady

>>386248821

Is /v/ predominantly Alliance? I thought faction-related bitching was more balanced.

>>386250326
>EU btw.
Maybe try Hellground but be aware it's like 90% Polish/Finnish. That's really all there is

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>>386247352
I still want to go back.
I have been playing FFXIV Stormblood and thinking of going back into GW2 with the new expansion.
Nothing will scratch the itch that WoW Vanilla-WotlK had.
Fuck I will never relive those memories.

All I know is Stranglethorn was the fucking shit.

Kalimdor post TBC since you can level in just one continent there and most quests don't have you doing errands from side to side.
Tauren and 50 leatherworking, kill kodos get literal free 8 slot bags. Then drop for whatever you want.
Also 4 rares that have chance to drop bags, have quest item and decent greens in them.
Lots of chest people miss or don't care about, 3-4 on gnoll camps. 3 on harpies. 2-4 on venture co. Decent mining nodes mostly herbs

>>386249639
Oh, fair enough. I was around back then but I spent most of my time.. Roleplaying. I guess its a stupid question in hindsight, Black Morass was monotonous on normal.

>>386250413
Borean Tundra was a TBC-tier eyesore anyway

>>386250448

Don't private servers exist for those expansions, though? Or are they all terrible?

>>386247352
I do, quit the game because rl stuff half way through Cataclysm and when I wanted to get in again Legion came and I didn't liked any of it.

>>386250334
I did the same thing, I was 11 when vanilla launched and I felt completely lost. You can blame my parents for coddling me.

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>>386247352
>not playing wow right now

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Kalimdor because it has Mulgore, Tanaris, Azshara
Top tier cozy leveling zones

>>386250689
Its not a mega obvious thing, many disliked CoT but not everybody could tell you absolutely why.

I think with content you are supposed to grind they should also design it in a way that you can start clearing it faster when you get better/bring better groups/have better gear.
That way you can feel that you grew as a player and you cut down on the overall time needed.

That was the case with most dungeons, except for those.
It was all scripted shit you had to wait through or enemy waves with built in timers.
WOTLK had its own Caverns of Time dungeon which had the same issue.

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>>386250689
>tfw only reason I'd resub is for RP but by the time it quit servers had gone to complete shit and everybody was trying to poorly copy GoT anyways

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>>386250706
Private servers are always infested with bad maintenance, cash shops and crooked GMs. Even if you can ignore all of that, there's always the threat of a sudden server close.

I have not seen a single exception to this in 15 years of playing on various MMORPG private servers.

>>386248987
WOTLK just made it worse, intruducing dungeon finders at its end and further casualizing the game, making leveling a fucking breeze, although Wrath had places with good design, it had everything TBC did and made it worse. TBC started it all however.

>>386250706
I used to play on private servers (something like ten years ago) and unless they've gotten better, the official servers were much better. But as a poor high school kid you took what you got, I was lucky my PC could run WoW in the first place. Private servers were filled with Brazilian HUEHUEs. So you couldn't even communicate with a lot of people. They were also filled with glitches, some of which had their own charms I guess. This meant the game wasn't as balanced as it should be, since for example I remember at one point the cooldown for Innervate was broken so a balance druid could just wreck people's shit. It all really depends on the server too, since on official WoW servers you might never see a GM. But on a private server they might have events where you could win special mounts or something.

Overall, I'd say playing on private servers was nice because I was playing with people I already knew. If I didn't know anyone I was playing with beforehand, I'd say the official servers would have been the better route.

>>386251465
They're pretty much 1:1 like retail now, with 99% of things fixed.

>>386250428

As long as English is the way to go, that doesn't scare me. I don't suppose you have a link? Googling leads me to a bunch of different sites, including some 'restarts' and I don't know which to pick.

>>386251057
>there's always the threat of a sudden server close.
This is true too. One of the private servers I played on shut down. That was a bummer, since I lost all of my characters.

>>386251539
Half of WoW is the community and I always thought people on the official servers were nicer, without getting too /pol/ about all this.

>>386251635
Depends on the timeframe of retail you're referring to. Community became absolute trash with the advent of Cataclysm. You don't need an example more obvious than the screaming about dungeons being too hard upon the release of the expansion.

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What is the current best private server in terms of community?
I don't really mind unless it is Cata or later.

>>386251007
Yeah, true enough. It was nice to be able to rape Bladefist on heroic after getting geared.
>>386251038
I'm in exactly the same boat Anon. This was my old guild. https://www.argentarchives.org/node/25464 Warcraft just isn't what it once was. What server did you play on?

>>386251765
At the moment its between Warmane (wrath) and Elysium. (Vanilla) Pick your poison.

As shameful as it may sound, I stopped playing Nost/Elysium because of the hardcore meta. AV is dying out, other BGs you get stomped by premades and raids are so stacked with 'inner circle' bullshit, there's hardly any point in applying to a good guild.

>>386252007
Nah, it's still possible to fight back. But if you want to EXCEL in PvP, not just stand a chance, yes, you have to give it all you've got.

>>386252236
>you have to give it all you've got

You mean level engineering. Hey, I'm not complaining that those guys are steamrolling through pubs. It's the fact that they're scaring away everyone else that's frustrating.

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Alliance Questing >>>>>>>>> Suicide >>>>>> Horde Questimg

>>386251853
I'm NA, I started in 2005 on Kirin Tor but RP on that server was practically dead outside of Goldshire and a couple chat channels. I moved to Moon Guard in 2008 and stayed there until 2014 when I finally unsubbed, swapping between factions every so often. Drama just really burnt out me out, especially RP-PvP events as people would just refuse to accept any outcome but total victory and whine until events ended. Once the server zeitgeit was everybody obsessed with trying to imitate GoT's political espionage I was pretty much done, as everyone got mad when their master ruses and schemes didn't pay off all the time. I'd kill for some nice military RP now.

>>386251765
Warmane TBC had a nice community, but that's personal experience. When leveling as alliance I met some nice people.

>>386251057
>Private servers are always infested with bad maintenance, cash shops and crooked GMs. Even if you can ignore all of that, there's always the threat of a sudden server close.

Just like retail.

>>386252428
We had those problems on Argent Dawn come Cataclysm and during late Wrath. It was pretty chill before the ICC patch, its a pity there isn't any legacy server up otherwise I would say we should make our own milita guild. Throw people off the Thandol Span etc. (We used to hold travelers there)

>>386252457
Me and a few friends are on that server now in alliance. It's really nice since I was expecting worse after gummy died. Only real issue is pet pathing is trash near water

>>386252419

What's so bad about Horde questing?

Dead Mines was the best early dungeon, Hell it was one of the best dungeons in the game

>>386252828
Nah Wailing is much better. Legitimately felt like a real dungeon, where you can always get lost and it was fucking MASSIVE. Deadmines was just a giant linear path.

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>>386247352
Quit in Cata and never looked back since.

>>386247352
Retail no. Started in vanilla, stopped in cata. Actually leveled my level 13 hunter that was on my account to 20 today just for the rewards in hearthstone, and I can't see how anyone would enjoy the leveling part in this game. All I did was spam arcane shot at everything, and they would either die from one or two hits. Literally nothing but running forward and pressing arcane shot. I even got halfway through WC solo before I hit 20. Why can I solo an instance at the intended level?

I'd play on legacy servers if I could. Private servers tend to be bugfests that ruin my enjoyment. The end game in vanilla is a pretty boring grind, but at least the leveling is enjoyable even though I've done it 20 times before.

>>386252634
Yeah, I'd say early Wrath was MG at its peak. Towards the end there was a big push for large server events that all crashed and burned in their own ways. The last big event I remember was a Kalimdor RP-PvP campaign in 2012, all the big Alliance guilds were in a coalition and by the end of it everybody was mad that we lost one of the battles and didn't want to acknowledge it. I don't even want to imagine what it's become now, just wish that there was a private server for us or the WC3 RP community revived.

>>386252974
I think they are both mechanically sound, if we disregard the design. Both final fights require players to know how to cc and offtank or aoe.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Falm0H7VEiQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioQWkWj5_ss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud9h8UpcC4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDl0EFMUYbo

Everything now goes against their core design philosophy, how is it possible to fuck up this much?

>>386253176
There's occasionally private projects, like years ago there was S's servers but the newer ones are pretty much invite only. Very cliquey. I heard there was some RP on Elysium but when I got there it was just tavern RP, with one female character.. And many male characters orbiting.

>>386253205
I agree with this but Dead Mines was the culmination of a long central quest line(for the most part, the Defia line continued a bit but just kind of petered out and died IIRC), it had very cinematic moments like blowing up the door to find the Pirate Ship, etc, it was kind of mind blowing for a level what 15?

>>386247258
Off topic question, but I've always wondered this: How did Mountain Dew and Doritos get the reputation of being associated with gamers?

As far as I know, before the 2010s there were no huge brand deals/double exp weekends/esport sponsorship. Maybe I just didn't notice it because I was younger, but it feels like these brands just decided to play into their reputation rather than foster it from the start.

>>386247576
I'm playing on Elysium right now, 41 mage
Not sure what I want to do at 60
I don't have time to raid
Might do some pvp, but I need gear for that too
Not sure, will probably just quit once I hit level cap
Not even sure why I'm still leveling

>>386247441
I somewhat agree, although you had some really goddamn long walks. Especially the one from Ironforge's area to the wetlands(?). The music, areadesign and quests were GOAT though.

>>386250413
Howling Fjord is pretty shitty as Horde desu.

>>386252721
Shitty orc/tauren/troll mudhuts everywhere. We need more blood elf quest hubs.

>>386247441
>nothing beats the comfyness of gnome/dwarves leveling path
Avid Gnome player here, I'd say Bloodelves have it pretty damn good, especially ghostlands, also Undead is nice.

I want vanilla zones and leveling with wotlk/cataclysm gameplay and tbc/wotlk raid content

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I quit wow after burning (around 2009?)

Are my characters still there waiting for me?
Or they delete innactive acounts

Remember when the Gathering Professions gave you bonuses like increased crit for Skinning and increased Stamina for Mining? I miss that, along with a lot of other minor but fun things.

>pets having damaging abilities that also applied debuffs to targets allowing them to fill the role of a class when said class wasn't around

Really miss this for my Hunter characters.

>>386253865
Watching these videos just makes me feel depressed. Do Blizzard even realise what they've become?

>>386250212
Raising the level cap itself isn't what made old content irrelevant it was the stat expansion. When you went from having like 10000 life in maximum raid gear you ended up going to 20k in next expansion or something? Then it was 40k. Then it was 80k, etc.
This shit completely removed relevancy of old gear and content.

Meanwhile EQ which kept raising levels repeatedly DID NOT have this problem because stats were crunched so even if there was better gear, that old gear from level 50 was always valuable, sometimes without peer in higher level gear because of unique effects.

>>386258519
They don't delete anything

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>wasting your summer playing wow 10 fucking years late

why do you do this

>>386259129
At least Thunderfury was still good in TBC.

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>>386253865
One aspect is they moved a bunch of the vanilla guys over to Titan at some point during Wrath. The target demographic has also changed a ton.

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>>386258519
>havent touched wow in over 6 years
>decided to get legion
>DL wow
>tfw i look at how i left my bank

>>386247352
I miss Wrath so much.

>>386250143

>tfw they nerfed the bag and it no longer drops rare mounts/pets

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>386246671
>not traveling to the west to reach the shores on the east of eastern kingdoms

thought this was the whole world of wow

>>386259432
I gave an autistic swede the 50k gold I had when I stopped playing in cata, and made him buy some $10 game for me.

>>386253865

F

>>386259669
You can make 50k in less than 2 weeks now

>>386246671
I dont think i ever leveled in EK, the scouragelands and the areas around karzahan were really ugly and dark. Kalidomor was a lot brighter

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>MFW Arms Warrior PvP in legion right now

CAN'T STOP THE RAPE TRAIN

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>remake entire wow with new source code instead of ol' spaghetti one
>new mechanics in rune pages (yeah they are back), and skill tree
>different world than azeroth
>you can bring your old char from old wow
>everything is new and ready to be explored again

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>>386246671
I JUST WANT LEGACY SERVERS FOR FUCK SAKE BLIZZARD!

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>shaman water totem quest

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>>386254619
All it took was the loss of one man's soul.

>think about playing elysium cause bored of retail
>remember i have no friends playing it and the /vg/ thread is godawful

>>386260116

Is Arms really strong currently?

>>386260495
It's been the best/one of the best specs in PVP and PVE for about two months straight now

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>>386250852
>nostalrius
ofcourse its represented by le epic laughing reddit man of capeshit

>>386260580
>arms is so braindead fun while pulling obscene numbers but has zero personal qol utility aside from jumps
>always enjoyed paladin kit and retri flow so fucking well with me but ashbringer skill is absolute shite, damage is dumpster tier and protection is the worst tank in a game
>love all the qol utility of dk and their general fantasy, but blood is guted into unfun territory, frost forced into shitty dw and feels like shit in general and unholy is just as cancer to play as it ever was
Wanting to play as plate tank/dps is suffering.

>>386261152
Is Protection that bad right now?

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>>386247352
I do sometimes, then I remember that Tauren Paladins is a thing.

>>386261253
It easily competes with vengeance dh for the spot of the worst tank in the game

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>>386247352
I do. I miss the companionship I felt with my guild. My favorite memory is throwing paper zeppelins back and forth on Zoram strand as we all tried to outrun them, laughing over Vent. A few of us had picnic gear and brew-of-the-month drinks and we spent the evening talking about whatever was on our minds. Conversation came so easily. Warcraft provided goals, community, and a sense of accomplishment to many of us who were dissatisfied with our tedious jobs or had difficulty socializing with other people in the real world.

I miss that sense of exploration with buddies, before everything was datamined and had giant quest location markers on the world map. I miss the feeling of accomplishment after downing a giant boss, before dungeon runs became a straight line of rooms you were expected to blast through in 30 minutes or less. I miss the feeling that there is adventure out there, waiting to be found, and friends who would face it with me.

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>>386248610
>95% plus 15% equals 100% on /v/
Where's /sci/ when you need them

>>386261478
How so?

>>386259874
You can make 50k in a day if you were smart about it. Its even easier now then it was at the start of legion.

>>386261478
>vengeance dh
>bad
LMAO, self healing, mitigation, and aoe for days

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>>386253865
The current dev team should be forced to watch this entire series of videos every day.

>>386261423
And this makes you so angry that you don't want to play the game, why?

>>386261972
Where veng dh just doesn't sit well with raids as it is spiky as all hell and self healing doesn't really help you as much as in dungeons, at least it has arguably the biggest damage potential of all tanks. Prot pal just shit in all regards, it has average damage, the least hp of all tanks except veng, and while not as spiky and having decent enough cooldowns, it has negative mobility, only rivaled by dk, and struggles a lot on some of the more demanding fights, like Archimonde, where active mitigation just straight up isn't enough for claws phase for example.

>>386262250
For raiding it is, not sure about m+. Other than that veng dh is goat tier to faceroll through content.

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>>386261671

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>>386261671

>>386259239
>>386259432
>quit wow
>month later get a notice my account has been suspended for gold farming and all my items and gold taken
>email them saying my account wasn't active and I couldn't have done it
>they apologize and send me a list of all the shit they confiscated from my bank
>sent everything to me through the mail
>tell them I have no plans on resubscribing anytime soon and they need to put that shit back in my bank
>say they can't and I need to log in and get all my shit
>fuck that
>months later get a free week and decide to see if they were legit
>all the shit on my main character is gone, every other character has their gold and items still
>quit and never look back

I'm salty about my Arcanite Ripper being RIP but I'm never going back after that so whatever

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>>386248821
>want to play with /v/
>want to play on Horde
Oh shit nigger what is wrong with you?

>>386259405
imagine what could have been, instead we got overshit

>tfw love Veng DH and Shadow/Disc Priest
>tfw doing overworld content as Priest is fucking shit
>tfw if I don't feel like tanking on DH playing Havoc is terrible
it hurts.

>>386248380
noone liked tbc even when it was 3 months in.

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I'd play again if there were an official vanilla server.

>>386265280
You and me both, Anon. Is that 'Quel'thalas' the area you can get to by swimming up north of EPL?

>>386265280
>tfw I'll never get an official Cata server that doesn't get hit with the nerfbats and has all the cut content put into it and instead cuts out LFR.

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>>386263623
And here's about the most Titan info you can find.

>>386262682
A small tuft often tumbles a big load.

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>>386250418
I think it's mostly horde, but both sides can agree that Dorf is best class regardless.

>>386265460
>you'll never get carried through Cata Heroics as a shitter just to go on and carry other shitters through Cata Heroics again
Feels bad. I still remember the first Cata Heroic I tanked was Grim Batol, and I had the glyphed Turn Evil set. Smacked that on one of the Felpuppers at the patrol before the first boss and he turned, ran, and pulled both the groups on the boss' platform. Everyone dropped group after the wipe. I felt super embarrassed but it's a nice memory.

>>386265498

What could've been.

They threw it all down the drain because they saw that casual arcade fps market + tf2/csgo crate money and went with that instead.

yeah.. rip

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>>386265402
I have no idea. My guess was Arathi Highlands, in that little Alliance hole.

>>386261478
Venge DHs are actually fun to play though rather than this bubble-growth system they tacked onto prot warriors.

>>386266002
Oh, there used to be this small strip of land you could swim to along the EPL 'coast'. It does look like Arathi now you said it.

>>386265526
So, no real reason? They're only considered Paladins because of how basic the classification system is in WoW.

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Just give me back to MoP-era class design. I can forgive everything else, but not this pruning garbage.

>>386266259
Not him but I can understand why he doesn't like it, many of the lorefags quit come Cataclysm. It was the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak.

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>>386266106

>mfw Venge DH is even more OP healing wise than WoTLK Death Strike DK was
>no one realizes it

literally don't even need a healer in heroics anymore

>>386266321
>implying MoP didn't start this horrible homogenization

Gotta go with the Eastern Kingdoms. I've always found Night Elf architecture/ambiance to be pretty shit, and the Orc stuff is pretty mediocre as well.

>>386265759
Launch Cata heroics were probably the hardest dungeon content the game has had until Legion added Mythic+

>>386247352
I got it just a few weeks ago. Got in the Anathema private vanilla server and it's been fun so far. Population usually hovers around 1000, with a fairly even split between Horde and Alliance. Just enough people to get groups going and have social interaction without feeling overcrowded.

>>386266392
>homogenization

At least I had buttons m8.

>>386266358
I've never seen anything in the lore that stated the new race/class combos in Cata were absolutely positively completely impossible and could and should never ever happen. Hell, things like Night Elf Mages have been around for thousands of years.

>>386266321
>Just give me back to MoP-era class design.
kill your self pandafucker

>>386266587
This argument still makes me laugh because everyone seems to glaze over the fact that Draenei were one of the biggest lore retcons to date and it started the entire trope of Space age stuff being thrust into the Warcraft universe but Taurens worshipping the Sun is going too far.

>>386266390
>implying heroics matter
People are melting everything there as is, like holy fuck i ran the latest 7.2 heroic and people were skipping phases on all the bosses like full heirloom outfitted parties do in leveling dungeons.

>>386260580
It's not as good as Fury for PvE anymore but still decent. PvP definetly rapes ass

>>386266734
http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/

Related.

>>386266734
True post. Not everyone was happy with TBC.

http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/
>Created on: May 10th, 2006

>>386247576
I done the same

Rushed to 60 within 2 weeks on Elysium, got full pre raid bis gear + rank 9 and 100% mount in another 2 weeks and quit early Feb.

I'm ashamed I actually got addicted to WoW again, luckily there was no raid content except molten core undertuned edition and PvP was underwhelming since apparantly all the casuals went horde. There was literally one horde premade and pugs vs 5-10 alliance premades in MC gear.

I sold my account for $200, never playing wow or a private server again. I checked my character on realmplayers and it looks like the guy I sold it to played for a week or two then quit.

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>>386246671
My usual paths
>Alliance
Elwynn > Loch Modan > Wetlands > Arathi > Hinterlands > Western Plaguelands > Eastern Plaguelands > Moonglade to end of Felwood > Winterspring > Blasted Lands (if necessary)
>Horde
Eversong > Ghostlands > Hillsbrad > everything else is the same

>>386267024
>>386267093
>tfw
Also forget to mention it introduced the Naaru which turned the Light from being a NotChristianity thing into funneling power given to you by alien wind chimes.

MOP is by far the most underrated WoW expansion. The last two have been garbage and Cata ruined the classic content.

>>386248773
>arena faggotry with a gay esports push
I agree, arena was probably the worst mistake blizzard has ever made. Arena should not exist.
>every dungeon literally a fucking hallway
I mean it's the same as almost every dungeon they've ever done, a series of rooms and hallways. Stupid thing to bitch about.
>dungeons reusing assets like mad fuck
Stupid thing to bitch about, BC dungeons had a pretty different variety outside of the 'sets', obviously all HFC dungeons look the same and all auchindoun dungeons.
>flying trivializing travel and world pvp
True.
>advent of dailies
Dailies hardly existed at this point, very few for useless factions like netherwing and skyguard for mounts. Dailies really became a thing with sunwell which was the end of the expansion.
>advent of daily dungeon gating
Yeah but the dungeons were hard and rewarding so it made sense.
>start of welfare gear on the sunwell isle
True, but like i said sunwell was the end of the expansion and literally just tacked on because Wotlk wasn't ready yet.
>terrible non Warcraft aesthetics
True.
>every single thing about caverns of time
CoT is a neat concept but the BC dungeons were aids for sure.
>worst lore rape the franchise ever experienced
Not true at all, they have done far worse. Allowing tauren paladins because they "worship the sun" is more lore rape than the entirety of BC.

A lot of the problems you mention only became fully developed and became real problems in Wotlk. As i have personally said many times in my life, Wotlk was a decent expansion but definitely was the beginning of the downfall. Only really bad things that BC brought into the game was arena and flying.

>>386267024
Also, this reminds me of people saying the TBC killed world PvP, when this was a thing way before TBC.

http://lolsand.ytmnd.com/

>>386247352
I do, made TWO accounts to play before regretting and it and changing all the info so I couldn't log back on.

>>386246671
flight paths are kino

>>386267209
Why skip Westfall?

>>386267265
This. What the fuck is with the BC hate in this thread? It continued the difficulty and MMO aspects of Vanilla but added and balanced a shit ton of stuff. Karazhan is also by far the best thing ever.

>>386267746
Because it really wasn't all its cracked up to be, yet people would tell you its the best MMO ever made.

>>386266587
I find all of it egregious, Anon. As for night elf mages, those were highbourne who have been outcast from society since arcane magic almost ended the world once. Those people who tried to summon Sargeras, yes. Night elves, especially WC3 night elves literally wiped out races because they were non-elf. (although its not overly specified which) The point I'm trying to make is that they're zealouts, highbourne being accepted is an ass pull.

>>386267746
BC is my n1 xpac but the main problem beside flying mounts is the streamlining of dungeons, I really prefer the vanilla design of BRD and would love to see all dungeons being very long and asymmetrical, in bc everything was a corridor basically.

>>386267863
Still better than any other WoW expac

>>386267746
I enjoyed TBC, it doesn't mean the lore wasn't fucked in the ass terribly. No where near as bad as it is now, but still.

>tfw can't go back in time and convince WoW devs that horizontal gear progression is better than vertical progression
Legion has been the first expansion in ages that has kept old PvE content current through patch cycles.

Did anyone else during vanilla just explore the world and mostly ignore leveling? I could climb any mountain and got way outside the map once or twice.

>>386247352
If you tried legion you wouldn't feel a damn thing about it anymore.

>>386254619
Mountain Dew tried the xtreme sports youth angle in the early 2000s but I guess the burgeoning energy drink market edged them out of that. I'm not sure when but by like 2004-2007 they had begun the push for association with gaming.

>>386267746
>lowered raid requirements
>arena
>difficulty modes
>badge farming
>corridor dungeons

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>>386267298
World PvP slowly died with the introduction of battlegrounds. Dishonorable Kills also further disincentivized town raids. It only got worse over time.

>>386268348
I used to walljump a lot, the only places I never visited were GM island, Dragon Isles and the Emerald Dream.

>>386268618
And yet nothing has been harder than Sunwell or pre-nerf serpentshrine

>>386247352
I'm still subbed. I play around 6 hours a week and the $15 is still worth it.

>>386259641
>world of world of warcraft

>>386268619
It did on med/low pop servers? Blackrock temple and searing gorge were death valley on Al'akir EU.

>Quit after Helya Mythic because Guild collapsed
>Want to play again
>Afraid Im too far behind to actually raid in a decent guild
What do I do

>>386267746
There was something about TBC I disliked overall, but I can't say what it was. I stopped playing pretty early into TBC, and didn't come back until wotlk.

The zones were boring at least, and shattrath was a horrible city. Fucking draenei laughing all the time.

>>386266587
Things like human hunters, gnome hunters, blood elf warriors, are all fine. More than fine.

Night elves being mages is a fucking sin. Elves who used arcane magic are completely different than the night elves who reside in darnassus and which the player is a part of. The elves who use arcane magic were disowned and exiled. That's why the very few who still live reside in dire maul by themselves.

Tauren paladins are also beyond retarded. Yeah it makes sense for them to 'worship the sun' but that giving them holy light powers doesn't make any sense, the light is a whole different entity.

The only things worse than night elf mages and tauren paladins would be shit like orc paladins and draenei warlocks.

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>>386269085
>The zones were boring at least
Nice bait man

>>386269143
based Anon

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>>386259270
i want to run away from my obligations but they run back at me

it never ends

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>>386261671

>>386269143
>Yeah it makes sense for them to 'worship the sun' but that giving them holy light powers doesn't make any sense, the light is a whole different entity.

What part of "WoW uses basic classifications" did you not understand? What they use is different but for game mechanics it's the same thing as the Light the same way Shadow Priets are "Shadow"-class and not "Insanity"-class or "Spooky"-class from using Void darkness.

>>386269149
>hellfire
>I wonder when I'm going to see something that isn't red
>netherstorm
>I wonder when I'm going to see something that isn't purple
>terokkar
>I wonder when I'm going to see something that isn't greyish blue
They were visually pretty unappealing. I also don't remember the music for a single zone in outland.

Is their a good/decent private vanilla server up right now? I want to kill some time and honestly that's just my favorite grind in any game ever.

>>386269085
Burning Crusade was praised up and down for being one of the most visually unique games of all time when it came out. You have no ground to stand on you fucking simpleton.

Shattrath and Terrokar were the only shitty zones.

>>386269442
Anon you can't argue with lorefags who pick and choose their battles. It's not like before Sunwalkers we had
>Spacefaring Aliens who worship literal embodiments of the light that make wind chime noises
or
>Elves that steal the light but that's okay they can still use it just as any other Paladin/Priest would

>You will never glitch under Stormwind and go on half day adventures out of bounds ever again

>>386247352

I do, everytime I think of replaying an mmo its wow. Unfortunately the newer version of wow is over casuallized. Last time I play it was Panderia and I never had to rest to drink till around level 30. I want a good vanilla server that wont be shit down anytime soon

>>386269516
There's really only Elysium, they're apparentlt a little crooked but otherwise thats your best shot unfortunately.

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>>386247352
I have a really bad itch right now. I haven't played a game I like in months and I'm getting pretty desperate. I'm sure Legion would make me want to kill myself but right now it seems so tempting.

I unsubbed soon after Cata launch. Is it worth it to try playing again?

Low level, EK. High level, Kalimdor.

>>386269812
Its not, no.

>>386269812
Legion's fun, give it a try.

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>>386269516
Definitely a visually appealing zone.

Love the brown. And the brown.

>>386269897
>>386269935
What's good/bad about it compared to BC/WotLK?

>>386270032
RNG is off the charts
Classes have very few buttons compared to those times
Talents are streamlined
Dungeons are very good and Mythic+ is a fantastic system if you enjoy dungeons
Raids have been pretty good except for Emerald Nightmare
Tons of content to do (practically too much)
Classes while simple still feel fun
Questing is pretty good

>>386269964
That's cooler looking than 90% of vanilla and it's like the second worst zone in Outland.

Keep reaching you desperate cock gobbler.

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>>386269812
Set up your own server and see all the magical things Blizzard tries to keep from the public.

>>386269442
>>386269573
You are correct about blood elf paladins, they also do not make sense how they funnel the light and then can for some reason wield it.

Draenei paladins do make sense though, the naaru are literal envoys and beings of the light itself. Same as these new 'void lords' are envoys and beings of shadow. Naaru are almost just the opposite of the void lords, so yes, naaru bestowing the gift of light onto people makes perfect sense.

Also about shadow priests, blizzard seems to be making shadow priest into 'insanity' class now, which is really weird and stupid. They should just be left as harnessing powers of shadow the same as warlocks and to some extent rogues. Making priests use actual void and old god corruption type magic is retarded. Warlocks using a bit of fel and demon magic is one thing, but channeling old god magic is taking things too far.

>>386269490
As opposed to Northrend
>woah.....snow

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>Legion added the most fun thing the game had seen since Wrath in the form of the momentum specced havoc demon hunter
>Take it out before the first tier raid
Fucking kikes over at Blizzard. I'll never forgive them.

>>386270032
Well, the good is that there's plenty of content. The bad I suppose is that they've dumbed the classes down, cut a lot of abilities out and homogenized everything to the point the player models might as well be living blobs. There's honestly lots of other things but I'm, incredibly lazy. Honestly I could be here all day typing. I don't have the energy, or the care.

>>386248204
>>386248204
I'll try to explain some of the appeal:

#1: Numbers
In terms of numbers, how much "AP" you should have or "health" your tanks should have, or how much a super-high crit would be, the numbers were just right. After TBC, nobody cared about anything other than your I-level and the fucking numbers for everything were just 'too damn high.'

#2: LFR and Server Transfers
Believe it or not, 1/5th of the fun of WoW was the misery + community you felt spamming "LF Tank" in trade chat over and over.

#3: The World
TBC was new, fresh, and innovative. The patches were all MAJOR raids and expansions into new areas. Yes Northrend was incredibly exciting and the zones were just as beautiful, but after the previous expansion, the shock of it was gone, and it was more of an expectation.

#4 Classes Were Less Homogenous.
Because it was hard to change specs at will, you had to emotionally invest in your character. I was an enhancement shaman all the way up till we cleared Sunwell. I was happy being that one niche you bring to provide the windfury crits or bring into a 5 man arena. It's OK to have niche characters and specs, but Blizzard forgets this.

#5: Transmogrification
Did a lot of people look alike? Yes. But this also meant that gear had meaning and purpose, like it's supposed to. You're supposed to be intimidated or impressed that someone is using X weapon or wearing Y shoulderpads. It inspires you to play as good as they do and work as hard as they do.

TLDR: Part of it is rose-colored glasses, part of it is because they put an insane amount of effort into the expansion and did a LOT of stuff right.

>>386270287
Is there anyway to have fun with current havoc?

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>>386270165
>RNG is off the charts
"Random Number Generator is off the charts"

I traveled to whatever area was level appropriate for me. Leveling in vanilla was slow, especially as a priest, but it really felt like an adventure

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>>386270262
No snow here.

>>386270238
The idea behind Shadow Priests is just that they toe the line between funneling the powers of the Void and succumbing to them. Surrender to Madness is suppose to be crossing over the line.

There wasn't a lot of room for them to write a "Shadow Mage" while still having it feel unique and different enough from Warlocks and to an extent Mages. They are now a DoT Cleave/Execute class and fulfill a unique niche as such.

>>386270413
I left when they fucked it. They replaced momentum with legitimately straight up whack a mole. So probably not.

>>386270469
>woah....trees

>>386270165
>>386270354
>they've dumbed the classes down
>Classes have very few buttons compared to those times
This is the thing I'm most concerned about. I've been trying to play GW2 but every class seems pretty much the same and it kills any excitement I have left.

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>>386270378
>The patches were all MAJOR raids and expansions into new areas.
?

>>386270421
Semantics aside between Titanforging and Legendaries, yes gearing related RNG is off the charts.
>Do a WQ and the 850 item jumps to 890 and is now an upgrade.

>>386270589
I wouldn't say classes feel the same as much as they each have small unique identities.

>>386270589
Classes have been very samey since MoP. Not too much buttons and it's basically just waiting classes flashy proc is.

>>386270589
I would be wary of that other poster, in all honesty though Legion feels like Diablo 3 online (pre xpac and fixes) to me. WoW's been so fundamentally changed its incredibly boring, outside of Mythix raiding the game is dead.

>>386269812
>Is it worth it to try playing again?

Maybe for a month to play the content? Once you've leveled there isn't much else to do, and what's worse Blizzard's new idea of end game content isn't so much raids and world content as it is to perform repetitive tasks over and over.

>>386267746
BC had good ideas hobbled by bad execution. Raids went super hardcore, failing to realize that what made vanilla era raiding work was that the measure of a guild was how far into the content they got. A bad guild might clear MC. A decent guild will do BWL and early AQ40. Good guilds clear it all and start poking Naxx 40. Only the very best guilds could clear Naxx 40.

Instead every raid became a poopsock adventure where you had to perform anal retentive tasks over and over with near-perfect execution or else the raid would cry, pick up it's toys and go home, making you start all the fuck over again. On top of that, raids went from 40 / 20 man raids to 25 / 10 which encouraged min / maxing to a stupid degree which forced Blizzard to completely neuter every class so that none had anything truly unique. And on top of that, the entry raid everyone had to do? Yeah, Naxx was a 10 man raid. It was a great raid, last boss RNG infernal drops excluded, but the shifts were extreme and quick. Oh, and BC started the catch-up mechanic trend.

The entire idea of arenas was pretty stupid too. Having established that the game wasn't balanced around small scale encounters Blizzard made the core PVP mode built around small scale encounters. This inevitably meant that people were going to min/max the shit out of arenas to the point that almost every team had some mixture of warriors (because Mortal Strike was broke as fuck) and Paladins and then later Druids (because their healing was broke as fuck.) Which then led to the problem that because PVP and PVE had identical rule sets, PVE was going to get nerfed for the sake of PVP.

>>386270534
Shadow Priests aren't supposed to be about old god void insanity shit they're supposed to be about the duality of man and that kind of spiritual crap.

>>386270572
and skyes, and water and quest and music etc etc

I like Guild Wars 2 more.

>>386270643
>they each have small unique identities.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>386270807
Except ever since TBC the "Light" has been a fucking cosmic force that everyone is tapping into not a spiritual one.

Shadow is about being the counter of a Holy priest and Discipline is the ability to use both sides.

>>386246671
east

kalimdor's flight routes were fucking 12 minute garbage

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>>386269812
You can play for free until level 20. Get the client, make a new character and start leveling. If you don't kill yourself before you hit 20, subscribe.

>>386270778
i don't think people realize how much was sacrificed for harder raids and that it probably wasn't worth it, hard raids do not make a good game, see cata

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There was a time when I really did believe I could explore the World of Warcraft forever and not see everything. I wish there was a PC game that could give me a similar feeling.

>>386270572
You can do that with basically any zone you want. TBC zones, Nagrand excluded, were all dominated by a single color that made the zones feel bland. Sure, Zangarmarsh has mushrooms and shit, but that blue tinted fog everywhere just ruins it for me.

>>386270982
They do though, ever DPS fulfills a niche and yes it overlaps but they all have a specific thing they excel at, same with Healers and Tanks.

>>386270354
Oh please, enough with the "THEY ALL THE EXACT SAME!" horseshit, if you honestly believe a Fury Warrior and a Shadow Priest play the exact same way you're a fucking idiot.

>>386270990
>Except ever since TBC the "Light" has been a fucking cosmic force that everyone is tapping into not a spiritual one.
I'll complain about that too because it's a shit change. They had a good thing with neither light/shadow being good or bad and then they shit it up by making the light a perfect cosmic force of goodness and shadow being edgy insanity shit.

All I know is I had a lot of fun with this game until Mists of Pandaria. The timegating and ability squish made everything take longer with less variety in the way you could accomplish it. I quit during the Throne of Thunder patch. My least favorite experience of the the 4 games prior to that was TBC. Everything that wasn't hardcore (ie raids and arena) was completely unappealing, and generally had an ugly aesthetic.

>>386271110
wow should have ended in wotlk

>>386271164
Anon, they haven't been unique since TBC at the very least.

>>386271428
Ah yes, a shadow priest, a fury warrior and a ret paladin are all the same class! How could I be so blind.

>>386271484
Keep grasping at those straws. You know exactly what we're talking about. How much are you being paid?

>>386248773

>advent of dailies
To be fair, dailies in BC were fine. There was a hard limit, the rewards were completely optional, and their overt point was so that people who didn't want to work the AH and didn't have time for hard farming could make some pocket change.

>worst lore rape the franchise ever experienced
The bait and switch with Draenei becoming Broken and Russian space goats becoming Draenei still angers me.

>>386267024
http://wowayb.ytmnd.com/

This one summed up things so well.

>>386250852
>>386260642
Nostalrius is dead, it never came back. It was just a character transfer to Elysium. Then the server the characters were transferred to got ransomed by one guild refunding their donation, and while it was down they opened up a fresh start server so when it came back up the population was down to less than 1/10th of what it was on real Nost.

The whole thing was a shitshow and I regret bothering with it. They should have just let Nostalrius stay dead.

>>386247352
Haven't subbed since October, but I'm in one of those depression moods and I have a slight itch to resub and level one of my alts.

>>386271379
No argument here. I gave up a month after Cata. Glad I was able to spend some time on Gummy before it got blown off the map.

>>386270643
>>386270681
>>386270756
>>386270778
I guess I'll just try to hold out my urge to resub. It doesn't sound like they've fixed the issues I had when I unsubbed in the first place.

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I liked the Panda women, I enjoy how Blizzard made it so that all playable races are compatible with each other so you could have crossbreeds out the ass

>>386246671

I had a pretty solid path to follow in BC. I'd start in Elwynn, mix it up between Westfall and Redridge, do most of Duskwood and a few of the easier quests in Stranglethorn. That would get you to around 28-30. After that, I'd do a bit of Arathi Highlands and then swap continents. I'd go to Desolace first, then swing through Ferelas and do the few alliance quests there. Swing down to Tanaris and then Un Goro Crater. I'd usually finish off the experience in Western and Eastern Plaguelands.

It was a lot harder and slower than it is now, but it gave you a sense of adventure, exploring every nook and cranny for quests. Now it's a conveyor belt that puts you on a straight line through every quest hub in every zone. I definitely like the convenience, I'm busier than I was 10 years ago. That said, the Cata revamps really lack that special something Vanilla zones had.

>>386271428
tbc classes were fine, they started downhill with ghostcrawler shit in wrath then murderfucked in cata

>>386272512

>Filled it with unfunny 9gag memes

What were some particularly egregious ones?

>>386247352
I do pretty much once a year, every year. I give in and play it for a week before remembering why it was that I quit this game and remove it from my computer. Rinse and repeat. I spent ages 16-18 completely consumed by World of Warcraft, I can't let it take me again.

>>386247352
Still play but only at the launch and end of the expansion as I am able to do most of the content within a month.

>>386272828
Rambo in Redridge. The CSI questline in Westfall. These in particular I think were some of the worst because it was just bad knock knock joke after another.

>>386272356
>>386272512
Third time's the charm, anon. You can do it.

>>386246671
Kalimdor, obviously.

>>386272512
I really think Cataclysm is the most underrated expansion. Yeah there's definitely fuck ups in it (like Deathwing's fight, yikes) but it really did shake things up by ruining the continent and the dungeons were really well done. I thought Mount Hyjal was one of the biggest letdowns in the entirety of the game. The quests were awful there.

>>386254619
No clue, but I won't let that stop me from liking those other things

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>>386273032
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK I WANTED TO EDIT IN THE VIDEO!

>>386272973
>Rambo and CSI are 9gag memes now
fuck off

>>386273104
>The quests were awful there.

it had like four subzones and they all sucked

>>386273671
>Turning entire questlines in to shitty memes because you're too much of a hack to write a story

Really activates my almonds.

>>386248118
I haven't played mop and wod, but I top 100 nolifed during the other expansions and vanilla, and I'd rate legion far above any of the other expansions. Like all iterations of the game, it has some cancerous mechanics (how you acquire legendaries etc, dead horse) but overall it's by far the most versatile and yet refined iteration of the game. all specs feel unique and a decent chunk of them are genuinely interesting just for their gameplay, the raids are all really high quality, and m+ is probably the best addition to the game since it came out, making 5 man content actually interesting.

I'd rate vanilla a close second, but I can't accurately say how much of that is nostalgia. I played on private servers a bunch but never made it to 60 again because it got too boring.

>>386271595
Explain what you mean, then, because simply saying "They're not unique and are all the same!" doesn't mean shit because you're saying that they all do the exact same job in the exact same way solely because they can do damage.

>>386274332
0.2 cents has been deposited in to your account.

>>386247352
I've still got my old private servers files from 2 years ago sitting on my HDD

>>386273936
linear questing is shit because instead of helping nameds as the story unfolds organically you're doing busywork until the cutscene plays

>>386274332
mythic+ is the lazy garbage you get when thinking "how do we pad this content" instead of "how do we make this fun"

>>386274710
i disagree

>>386274376
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=warcraft+classes+homogenized

>>386274936
So you have no argument yourself and need to rely on other people's opinions.

Ulduar is the best raid

>>386274882
>take CMs
>add loot crate at the end for wow pixel addicts to get their hit
BEST ADDITION

>>386275297
I can't be bothered typing out an essay to explain class homogenization, yes.

>>386275612
Because it no longer exists after the Legion revamp.

>>386249824
Nothing wrong with Heirlooms.

Dungeon finder did fuck things up something fierce though.

>>386248773
Don't forget flying mounts are what killed World Pvp

>>386275345
That's not karazhan

>>386267265
Sunwalkers are not worse rape than fucking Space Goats, they're just Tauren who worship the sun.

There is literally no worse wow lore rape than Space Goats. It was completely out of nowhere and made no sense whatsoever, since Dranei were already a thing to begin with.

>>386276275
How? People being too chickenshit to actually fight each other?

>>386276258
>Nothing wrong with Heirlooms.
Yes there is. Completely makes leveling and world pvp a joke.

>>386276031
Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

I always find it astounding how the most frequent posts I see are from people who out themselves as garbage at the game. You don't need to be a mythic raider or gladiator to give your opinion on design, but try and limit your shitposting if you don't really know what you're talking about

>>386276487
Leveling is already a joke and I'm not going to spend a few months going through content I've already gone through fifteen times before just to get to the new stuff.

>>386276454
Absolutely. And there were ways to escape now

>>386273104
everyone agrees early Cata was very good.

It just went nowhere after that, and we had to deal with a mediocre Raid in Firelands, and one of the shittiest raids in Dragon Soul for over a year.

>>386276454
Its pretty obvious why


Without needing to travel on roads you would never encounter another player while going from place to place. Everybody is just zipping overhead never interacting with the opposite faction

>>386276515
Sorry you can't actually refute anything. I'll keep playing my Survival Hunter which is nothing like my Elemental Shaman.

>>386276396
You're right it's Ulduar

>>386253865
bet those people are no longer with blizz and the developers today weren't there making the original game.

>>386276669
isn't it the consensus that all legion hunter specs are absolute trash?

>>386276571
>Leveling is already a joke and I'm not going to spend a few months going through content I've already gone through fifteen times before just to get to the new stuff.
Then don't play a fucking MMO. The world is there for a reason, mobs should be atleast some sort of a threat. Cancer like you is what killed this fucking game.

>>386276585
So you're upset because you can't gank lowbies as easily now.

>>386276609
People did that back when there weren't flying mounts, too. The only place where world pvp was even a thing was Stranglethorn.

>>386276771
The mobs in the new content can be a threat. Everything before that is simply speed bumps on the way to the new content.

I liked fighting BC mobs back when BC was new. Ten years later fighting those mobs is a chore while I try to get to 100.

>>386276779
>he doesn't remember hillsbrad, arathi highlands, goldshire, barrens and capital city raids

>>386276779
>The only place where world pvp was even a thing was Stranglethorn.
...And the hinterlands, and the alterac mountains,

Starting a new character in WoW used to feel like an adventure, now its just a chore. There was still hope during MoP, but Warlords ruined this game.

I mythic raid as BM, mm is superior dps with optimal shit but I prefer utility and movement. Survival is a joke meme spec, someone doing above the norm as survival is possible, but it plays like dogshit.

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>>386278143
Sorry fucked my quote

>>386275297
>you cant use other's arguments that align with your own to prove a point
Your "College Dropout" is showing

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>>386266390
>as a prot paladin I could not only tank without a healer mythic+ at lower levels, but also keep my 4 DPSs alive
granted, some affixes would fuck everything up, but for the affixes that were reasonable we'd speed things up doing this
also I've solo'd the last boss of BRH on +9 mythic keystone because my teammates would keep dying to laser and I got pissed (it took me like half an hour, but I was that mad)

stopped playing right before 7.2 hit, for reference

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Can we all agree that blood death knights are best class/spec?

>>386280386
Not anymore, gutted the fun.
>use the modern shitty slow rune system
>no way to get them back that isn't just waiting around for them
The most retarded decision i've seen since they changed the system from WOTLKs

>>386280386
not if you're a healer, or trying to progress in raids, or trying to get into a guild that raids mythic, or if you're trying to flag carry

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>>386247352
I think about it occasionally but those thoughts are quickly snuffed out by anger and sadness on how much time I already burned on something so hollow and repetitive. It especially doesn't help that for every 1 good memory I have of WoW, I have a dozen bad ones