How do we make Tales great again?

>>386242046
They did. It's called Berseria

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Since I always play them in multiplayer I'd love an entry that embraced Co-op more desu

Stuff like combination arts that rely on players synching their timing, maybe give other players the ability to move about in the world map independant of the main player, getting to pick replies to conversations or skits on a player-by-player basis for further permutations.

They would have to re-tool the game quite a bit but at least It'd be something fresh.

>>386242046
How is Tales of Symphonia?

>>386242046
The first step would be realizing we're 2 generations removed from the ps2 now.

Remove faggots

Make a new Radiant Mythology and actually localize it.

>>386242046
Remove fucking weakness system or at least nerf it severely and rely less on soft/hard lock on.

Berseria would be way cooler if moves were good based on their properties and not just hitting the enemy weakness so you get a big damage modifier and a flow of Break Souls.

Also remove Break Souls. Or at least make them not trigger retarded things like fully invincible Velvet recovering 2 Break Souls for each activation.

>>386242046
Go back to Vesperia's linear style combat. This always free running shit with having to spam 1 button to combo artes in Berseria is lame as fuck.

What would improve Vesperia combat was if there was a option in the menu to save gearsets. You press triangle, then hold L1 and use the Dpad to swap gearsets. Being able to swap gear fast like this means that they could develop enemies that are more elementally resistant to stuff or needs different skills to be effective. This encourage the player to collect and synthesis a whole bunch of gear to be useful and punishes players that spam only 1 arte or use the same equipment all the time.

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>>386242046
How to fix Tales. More Edna. She's cute af.

>>386242771
Shit

>>386243506
You still had to buy all the weapons in Vesperia because each weapon has skills to learn. That was enough encouragement for players to actually buy from every store, collect all treasure chests, and even get material to craft them, while also doing the optional side quests that give you weapons.

>>386242046
were these games ever good, or does their enjoyment just come from being a retarded kid that believes in the power of friendship

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>the same type of gear can have different stats because lol rng
stop doing that

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Edna's the best tales character ever made. Prove me wrong. (Pro Tip: You can't)

>>386244059
The fact that she's in one of the worst games of the entire series makes it difficult to appreciate her character.

>>386243898
They had hit and miss combat systems depending on which one you play. Some like Vesperia or Symphonia are just mechanically bad and with bad enemy design. The combat starts being more interesting with Graces, then goes to Zestiria that had problems with adding stupid shit, then goes to Berseria that has problems with adding even more retarded shit.

As for story they are mostly generic with some plot twists and again hit and miss characters, and pretty different themes. Play Xillia or Berseria if you want it edgier

>>386243772
There were a lot of equipment to collect but there was no mandatory reason to collect them. There is no gear/skill wall for enemies so to say. So the average player could ignore all of it and get by just spamming 1 arte in over limit and using less than a handful of skills. Also constantly opening the menu and scrolling through dozens of equipment was tedious. If you could set at least 3 premade gearsets it would make swapping gear/skills during combat faster. If they made more enemies that had elemental strengths then collecting gear and swapping them would have a bigger incentive.

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The combat in berseria reminds me of remember me but with a bunch of gimmicks thrown on top of it.

>>386242046
Im hoping the lack of new game announcement at the Talesfest indicates them putting more effort into the new game's development. Berseria was a step in the right direction in a number of ways, but it still suffered from the "Baba-ness" that plagued the series despite him being gone.

>>386242771
Its okay, it plays a lot of it's tropes pretty straight and I personally found most of the cast, especially the MC to be pretty boring. That said, its a decently fun game and it worth pirating/buying on sale.

I would like the series to go back to directional input for attacks and shit. Holding a button for an attack chain blows. Berseria had way too much shit needed to upgrade, they need to scale that back or make a faster way to do it. Get rid of daemonblight it's fucking retarded.

>>386242046
Make all entries use the CC system, it's fucking great to work with, also gets rid of fucking TP. Would make shit characters like Sheena useful.

Make another 2D with awesome sprite work. It's 2017, we can do it.

Maybe a caster main character? Might be dumb though. I just want something new.

let it die

>>386244271
But why would you need to swap your whole gear set? I never encounter a moment where i actually had to worry about elemental adv/disadvantage to the point where i was doing no damage or was getting one shotted, more so after doing playthroughs on Unknown. The most a person would do is just swap there weapons and go back to fighting, and that isn't anything to complain about.

The only way to make players do this, is to force them by making the adv/disadvantage overboard threatening, and that's just unnecessary, it would be the same shit an MMO does.

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>>386242046
Make smaller rooms, dungeons, and the world map, everything being spaced apart makes it such a chore having to walk everywhere for backtracking and other reasons
Bring back actual puzzles, dungeons would be way more fun if I had to actually rattle my brain for a puzzle, but don't make it a trial and error backtracking puzzle, those suck
Don't make the combat too restrictive like Zestiria but also not too lenient like Berseria, Xillia 2 had a good idea but ludger was too overpowered, make the combat similar to that game and have your party members actually be useful to you
Bring back good in game costuems, everyone having no costumes like Xillia and Zestiria sucks, everyone having matching, boring black and white costumes like in Berseria sucks, BRING BACK UNIQUE COOL IN GAME COSTUMES

>>386244619
I would like to see a return of the CC system. It makes the early game combat less of a slog and it doesn't get insanely broken like AC+TP does in Xillia. Graces F is the only tales game that seems to punish spamming the same arte instead of rewarding the player like in Xillia.

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>>386244619
>Sheena
>shit
Those are fighting words as she is best girl!

>>386244717
>But why would you need to swap your whole gear set? I never encounter a moment where i actually had to worry about elemental adv/disadvantage to the point where i was doing no damage or was getting one shotted, more so after doing playthroughs on Unknown.

That's the problem. It's shit game design when the hardest difficulty setting doesn't actually challenge you or make you think about your gear choice other than "what sword has highest attack power". They could make way more interesting fights if they learn from how old school MMOs handle elemental resistances and phase change during battles.

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>>386245034
>old school MMOs
How about instead of throwing on a whole other gear set when the boss goes into another phase you just have mage-san buff your weapons with whatever element the boss is now weak to.

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>>386242046
By sucking my dick.

>>386245369
>Remove ability to give element strengths to party members
>Make SP costs for skills much higher so player can't have so many equipped at once without any equipment
>To compensate, gear has more skills added on and you can create gearsets and swap during combat by pressing triangle to open the quick menu and pressing a button combination
>Bosses can change their element weakness/strength based on different mechanics throughout the fight

>>386242046
Male protagonist again.

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The exploration has been utter shit since they started implementing the free-floating camera bullshit that doesn't belong in this type of JRPG.

All the copy pasted areas are fucking confusing and the map designs have just been soo fucking shit.

>>386242046
They were never good to begin with, mediocre at best.

>>386245928
No.

Next protag should be a spunky athletic brown girl with a ponytail.

>>386246117
No she should not. Female protagonists are shit. The protagonist should be a male with a harem of girls of different archetype so there's at least one girl you can make into your waifu.

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Tales of Graces was fucking shit, the only good thing about it was the CC system.

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>>386246117
Next Protag should be Edna

>>386242046
Make the games actually challenging. They're way too easy even on the hardest difficulty. The enemies may have tons of HP and stats but their AI is still embarrassingly dumb and it's super easy to exploit their gullibility.

>>386246117
No.

About a mahou shoujo trying to make the world happy but instead face suffering at every corner.

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>>386242046
Remove free movement. Continue to improve on Symphonia's base.

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>>386246246
>The protagonist should be a male with a harem
I don't want to self insert as some bland as shit fuccboi, I want to play a qt girl.
>b-but muh harem
She can have a dick in the doujins to fuck the other girls. Happy? Now shut up.

>>386246542
No fuck off with your shit tastes.
>>386246296
Ok you got my attention. Now that's a good protagonist. Sadly it won't happen and we'd have a shitty character like Velvet as a protagonist if it was a chick.

>>386246620
>accuses others of shit taste
>while having shit taste
wew

>>386246725
>hating on Edna
Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

>>386246813
I didn't say anything about edna, dipshit.
Do me a favor and kys.

>>386242046
Vesperia 2, set 10 years after the first game and how the world has adapted to life without blastia. There's bound to be some sort of conflict.

>>386246876

Featuring Matt Mercer as Yuri Lowell.

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>>386246250
>tfw you can't save her
>tfw you can't play as her

>>386246876
I want this just so I could see milf judith

>>386246452
this. Undoing all the progress from Symphonia was Tales' worst mistake.

>inb4 symphonia was a mistake

>>386247209
It's a fucking shame that she suddenly went full villain and died immediately after it, kind of a waste of a character

REMOVE BABA

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>>386246452
you mean continuing improving Vesperia's base.

>>386247735
He already got removed after the massive fuckup that is Zestiria

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Put in live2d and live2d Euclid.

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>>386242046
Chain Capacity and Titles system from Graces F returns but is updated and improved
character cast and plot like Vesperia/Symphonia
character designs by Kōsuke Fujishima
composed by Go Shiina
PS4/PC release

>>386246250
>the only good thing about it was the CC system.
your pic proves otherwise

>>386242046
>I haven't played Tales of Berseria

>>386248863
Berseria's combat, overworld, dungeons and music were bad.

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>unplayable forever on PS3 emulator
>never got a digital release on PSN ever

>>386249071
>unplayable forever on PS3 emulator
WHAT HAPPENED??

>>386242771
Worst tales game that nostalgiafags who only had gamecubes liked

>>386247735
He already left, went to Square Enix, and proceeded to take a jab at Berseria for its dark tone in an interview.

>>386242307
wrong

>>386249115
SPU syscalls the game requires are impossible to emulate accurately without grinding your CPU to a halt. Using dirty hacks to trade accuracy for performance breaks the game text and visuals. Vesperia is basically designed to fuck over emulators.

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More Rose, obviously!

>>386246394
Like kamen rider ryuki?

>>386249071
I've almost finished playing it through on my hacked PS3. Pretty fun game.

at what point did the tales series start pandering to women and gay people, i remember destiny being pretty hetero.

>>386242046
go back to 2D with Destiny Director's cut curayzee combos

The only one I played was Abyss, and I hated the story but liked the gameplay.
Are there any others with a better/less intrusive story, but similar gameplay?

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>>386249728
Since Abyss, but the gayness was pretty low in that game but steadily got higher as the series continued.

More bros like Eizen

>>386249841
vesperia is a direct upgrade from abyss combat. plays smoother too since it runs at 60fps more consistently than 3ds/ps2.

>>386249728
since Destiny. the game with power couple stahn and Leon

>>386242307
Fpbp

Though it still feel cheap, bamco doesn't want to give us a higher budget game.

>>386242046
It was never great, though

Graces is the worst Tales I've ever played

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>>386249131
>worst tales game
Somebody didn't play Tempest

>>386243506
This. Vesperia combat could be improved. They didn't have to scrap it entirely just like CC.

>>386250447
not a Tales game

>>386249819
curazey combos ruined the series. I want to go back to more restricted and methodical systems like in rebirth and abyss.

every game since Destiny r, except for zestiria, dumbed down the battle system to allow even mages to mash their way to 100+ hit combos.

>>386250267
It wasn't completely irredeemable, but I have never had a cast of characters ruin my experience with a game as badly as Asbel did.

>>386250267
Everything about Graces was awful except for the combat.

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>>386246296
Next protag should be pic related. If you don't agree you're disabled.

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>>386250502
So what are we actually counting, then?
It's called Tales of *whatever* and it's the same company. Are we going off the shitty nonexistent canon?

>>386250504
curazey combos is what makes the tales series fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTMcL1KJD74

>>386250776
Next protag should be Claudin

>>386250523
I liked the environments and even the characters didn't bother me that much. The story was meh and the final boss totally awful though.

The best part of Graces was the beginning when the characters are children

>>386250779
We aren't counting the games that are worse than symphonia

>>386250890
I would love that but I'd rather get a sequel instead of a prequel.

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>there are people on /v/ that actually like berseria and zestiria

>>386250856
overlimits in vesperia is boring as hell.

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>>386246394
it should involve contracts for good measure

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>>386251212
Berseria is the best tales game, get over it. Zestiria isn't good though.

Probably bait but still, take this (You).

>>386242046
bring back world maps
bring back meaningful extra content besides bonus bosses that isn't DLC
bring back actual combat depth instead of mash all the buttons to make a 2000 hit combo and mash the dodge button psuedo "depth" that plays like a shitty fighting game
actually try to make a game from a place of love instead of trying to just pander to seiiyufags, nostalgiafags and degenerates that need super jazzed up characters and constant fanservice to enjoy anything

basically just make vesperia again

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>>386251251
no

>>386251391
berseria is unironic weeb trash.
your image sums it all up

Never ever bring back CC

>>386251212
They were both ok but obviously Zestiria had better combat fuck Break Souls and fuck people bitching about Zestiria having short combos.

>>386251564
bring back rebirth combat

>>386251558
>Implying the whole franchise isn't weeb trash
Go back

>>386251396
>bring back actual combat depth instead of mash all the buttons to make a 2000 hit combo and mash the dodge button psuedo "depth" that plays like a shitty fighting game
>basically just make vesperia again
does not compute

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>>386251478
No game has topped X2 for me. Bamco needs to make another game with that system.

>>386250779
Original anon you replied to, haven't played tempest, what could possibly make it worse than symphonia?

>>386251670
berseria and zestiria take it a step further

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>yfw TGS 2017 this gets announced

>>386251792
Tempest being bad isn't just fan opinion. It was so bad they disowned it as a mainline game.

If only Berseria had a better production value, while I loved it, it still feels like an incredibly cheap game.

>>386251885
>Also for the Nintendo Switch

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>>386251885
>it's a Xillia-style remake with a revamped modern combat system

>>386251941
all tales games feel cheap. they're made with a shoestrong budget because they spend most of it on the anime cutscenes.

>>386251967
God I hope the switch niggers get a shitty port of graces.

They need to stop wasting my fucking time, Tales of games are short compared to most JRPG games but even still it feels rammed with awful padding.

Everyone talking as slowly and artificially extended as possible. The script could be tighter, the endless and I mean fucking endless levels of systems on top of systems all of which need pop up tutorials that you read once then completely ignore. Make the loot more interesting.

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they need to build on vesperia, but like soul calibur there needs to be horizontal attacks to tone down free movement.
pvp would be fun too.

>>386252128
graces would totally work on the switch. you could even do co-op easier, just hand the 2nd controller to a friend.

Replaying Abyss, what are the most important missables to keep an eye out for? I'm talking weapons, artes, other gear, etc. (Costumes are nice but not necessary.) I just took control of Asch for the first time and the only questlines I've started are for Guy's artes and the Sword Master. Also I'm not using Natalia or Anise, anything involving them is skippable.

>>386252174
there ARE mid and high attacks. Theres not any low attacks, but all of them can be blocked by simply guarding.

>>386252116
No, they spend most of it on great voice actors.
It's funny because retards who play the game dubbed are basically playing an all cheap game.

Hey all, I actually just went to Walmart last night and they had a clearance bin with brand new games for $5-$10 and they had both Tales of Xillia games, and Tales of Symphonia for the PS3.

Which one would be best to start with? I've never played a Tales of game before, do they all connect or are they all their own separate story?
Thanks in advance.

>>386242046
Played Berseria. While I'm in no rush to play the rest of the series should I play Zestiria? I hear it's bad but much better with the story context of Berseria

Vesperia Ultimate Edition
Vesperia The Fighting
Vesperia Blastia Dance Party
Vesperia 2

>>386252174
the best the dub had was troy baker

>>386252791
meant for
>>386252497

>>386252532
Tales of Xillia 2 is a direct sequel to Xillia 1. Tales games are like FF they mostly all stand alone unless its a direct sequel.

Symphonia plays more like a PS1 era game even though it came out in 2003. If you are into that, go for it, otherwise if you want something more modern, start with Xillia.

>>386252532
I'd say they're actually both good to start with. Pick whichever looks the most interesting. Do keep in mind ToS is a gamecube game, so it's a bit dated but not by any means terrible compared to ToX.

Also, ToS's sequel is shit. ToX's sequel is almost amazing, but held back by having to feature the cast from the first game in its story. Both of them are direct sequels.

Don't play the ps3 version of symphonia

>>386252532
symphonia was the entry point for a lot of people, but is also dated. you should start with it anyway: either you'll dig the characters and like it, or you'll bounce off the simplistic combat and cliche-mountain plot and move on

the ps3 comes with japanese vo, which I personally think makes the dialoge more manageable (when it only needs to be read rather than heard), but that's up to you

>>386252532
xillia 1 and 2 would be probably be best to start off with. listen to >>386253045 and stay away from symphonia on ps3, it's a terrible port.

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>>386242046

They could start by announcing a new title that isn't on mobile supported by thousands of people as opposed to millions worldwide?

REMOVE SAKURABA

>>386253281
this. that nigga is old and stale.

>>386252553
If you want to know what happens hundreds of years after Berseria then play it, don't bother playing it in higher difficulties though.

>>386253126
Why is it a terrible? Never played this port.

>>386253281
Please, make it happen, we could have a go shiina only soundtrack.

>>386242307
Berseria had the most rushed story I have never seen. Half the characters existed to move the plot along and they were all somehow conveniently all tied to the same plot.

>>386253446
They're lying

>>386242046
Hire a Western writer, like Trey Parker.

>>386253220
It was super weird they didn't announce anything at Tales con, but on the plus side, maybe this means they are spending more dev time on the next title so it won't feel so rushed like the last few titles.

>>386253638
Bait

>>386253540
Despite /v/ gushing over Berseria, I couldn't help but feel like it was a cheap 2nd rate game the entire time I was playing it.

I'm also not fond of the combat system at all.

>>386242771
The "start" of the modern tales series. It has the best story of all the games but has some of the worst dubs and suffers from some of the most corny moments in gaming. Also the main character makes the whole game worse, everything he says is corny and trivializes any sort of tension. The ending is ruined by a series of really corny saturday morning cartoon antics. It still plays great though and all the characters are interesting and have an actual purpose which is the worst part about other tales games.

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>>386253720
I loved the combat system and the game overall despite its flaws.

But the lack of game play and world interactions outside of battle, the T-poses , 70% of the soundtrack being garbage and NG+ being useless just shouldn't be allowed on a 2016 game.

>>386251734
vesperia only turns into combo video memes if you have a bunch of late game skills/items and to really get there you often need to grind arte uses

CC games become mash to win memefests from the getgo, especially the more recent ones

>>386253446
The ps3 version of symphonia looks worse and runs worse than a GameCube game. Give me one good reason why a game that runs on 60fps on a GameCube runs 30fps on a ps3

>>386254236
What about the steam port?

>>386252497
>No, they spend most of it on great voice actors.
this right here is the cancer killing not only tales but jrpgs in general

running the idolshit playbook and going "HEY OTAKU SHITEATERS, *SEIYUU WHO DID CHARACTER YOU LIKE* IS A CV IN OUR GAME, BUY NOW"

the fact that this bullshit is proven to work means that there's 0 reason to actually spend money on making the game itself good

>Different musician
>More to combat than just hitting weaknesses
>World map
>Secret side shit hidden in the world map
>FIX THE FUCKING DUNGEON DESIGNS
>Non DLC costumes

Seriously the lazy dungeon designs have finally killed my interest in the series.

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More protagonists need to suffer.

>>386254236
> Give me one good reason why a game that runs on 60fps on a GameCube runs 30fps on a ps3
It's a port of the ps2 version that ALSO ran at 30 FPS and is hardcoded to do so because of hack japanese console programming

the gamecube version only runs at 60 FPS if it has barely anything to render (so basically the solo fight against a bandit in the arena) and drops frames into either the 50's or even as low as 10-20 depending on how many things and how man spell effects are on screen, most infamously with tidal wave and cyclone making the game complete eat shit every time they're cast

you aren't wrong that they should've put in the effort to make the game run propery, but that would require way more work than the inherant cashgrab nature of an HD rerelease

>>386254314
Steam version was badly ported too. There's a mod that fixes some of the issues but I can't vouch for it. Just stick to GameCube version or emulate it, it's not demanding to run.

>>386254675
Berseria didn't give you enough of a dose?

Honestly I'd be fine with a more relaxed Kiseki-like Tales for the next one.

>>386254314
If you can play the steam version you could probably emulate the GameCube version at at least 4x resolution

>>386254768
Modders on PC were able to unlock the framerate. Why can't a company who made the game with a bigger and paid team do that same thing for PS3 or even the Steam port?

>>386254931
I just like Ludger but the only way for him to appear is for him to suffer profusely, so I just cut out the middleman and said the protags need to suffer more.

I've been trying to make my own Tales Of game but my pc literally cannot run UE4 and Visual Studio at the same time.

>>386249887

>the gayness was pretty low

I disagree. Most of the female characters in the game are literally just there to keep things from going full homo. There was no real chemistry at all between the guys and girls. Also Dist in general.

>>386255096
Suffering trope can become tiring in itself if done repeatedly is all I'm saying. I like it too but switching it up makes it even sweeter when the trope reappears.

What order am I supposed to play these in, assuming I don't speak Nipponese or own consoles?
All I see is Symphonia -> Zestiria -> Beseria.

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>>386255509
The only hetero character in Abyss was asche.

Jade was gay for dist, Guy was afraid of girls so probably gay for Luke that's why he's a "bro" character, and Luke was just abstinent because replica.

>>386255765
Phantasia GBA>Destiny>Eternia Dubbed

>>386246250
>>386247209

Probably the hottest chick to come out of Tales, and she was basically a throw away shitter.

Wtf, Namco.

>>386255765
Berseria is Zestiria's prequel. Most other titles in the series are self-contained, no particular order.

Don't even bother playing Zestiria though, its shit.

Many other games in the series can be emulated easily.

>>386242771
It's the kind of game you need to have played when you were between 10-15, then you can appreciate it forever otherwise it's pretty generic and unremarkable RPG.

>>386242046
never was that good

SNES phantasia is an extremely sluggish game notable only for being technically impressive at the time with its AI real time combat party and having voices. The PSX version shows just how much the SNES version coulda done better. Symphonia did a similar thing except in 3D. Overall the games will always be dragged down by nonsense plots, padding, some of the dungeons being really shitty and taking 3 hours. In some cases the combat, music, and occasional interesting character can carry the game and make it fun. Co-op helps too.

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So, how about that Tales of Link, eh?

>>386249071
But the PS3 is region free anon.
I finished it 3 time already, don't be lazy.

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Feels bad

>>386256312
Literally the worst tales mobile game.

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>>386256312

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>>386256548

>Posting a game that should have just been a PSP or DS game.

Needs bigger ass and titties

>>386256680
The rays and Asteria are "ok" in terms of gacha cancer.

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>>386242046
Needs more Colette and ToS music.

>>386254072
>some of the worst dubs
What the hell are you talking about? Symphonia's dub is one of the best.

>>386242046
Rip off Berserk. Oh wait they alreay did. And it worked

>>386242046
Baba fucked off, so the first step is already taken

>always believed vesperia ps3 was a meme
>"it can't be that good"
>buy a hacked ps3
>install vesperia
>mfw it is that good

>>386257038
Now seriously. Character design needs more consistency. I checked Berseria and every character seems to be from a different weeaboo universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnwWPN7evSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGaWOUZ3ALk

>>386242610
This. Online multiplayer co-op would literally save the series. Just get the wizards over at their Tekken studio to do the netcode etc.

Name one (1) Tales game that isn't at least good

I'll wait.

>>386257121
It was garbage, you remember it wrong.

>>386242046
Go back to TP instead of Souls.

>>386242307
Berseria sucked.

>>386257393
Zestiria, both xillia games

>>386257420
I don't. I'm not sure you've ever heard a bad dub in your life if you think Symphonia's dub is bad.

>>386257453
>Berseria sucked.
(You)

>>386257318
>I checked Berseria and every character seems to be from a different weeaboo universe.

Since Xillia, two or three artists have been doing the character designs, per game.

>>386242046
I'd say namco themselves are on it, considering it's been almost a year since berseria came out without so much as an announcement+they already said it's goodbye to the shitty xillia engine

>>386251885
I was honestly waiting for this announcement around the year the PS4 was released. Still surprised they haven't done it yet. Seems like it would be a huge easy cash grab. Especially if it came to the US.
>>386251967
This would also be a good idea too, since Japan is going nuts for the Switch right now.

>>386257504
It was bad, you're blinded by nostalgia and autism.

>>386242046
You literally don't have to because mustards got their hands on the series now and we get people like this >>386242307 who eat up shit.

>>386257420
I played it for the first time a month ago. It was goood. Far better than the likes of graces

>>386257536
Berseria sucked and Velvet was a piece of shit, no wonder it flopped and sold less than Zestiria.

>>386257504
>>386257728
Symphonia's dub is mediocre. It's not bad but there's way better.

>>386257801
>Velvet was a piece of shit
You're just trying to trigger me aren't you?
Berseria is the best the series has to offer.

It sold less than Zestiria because of literal fujo niggers in japan and full on weebs in the west.

>>386258085
pretty sure it sold less because zestiria got more buzz for being the first tales on steam

>>386242046
Stop making retarded battle systems
Bring back skills and artes you learn through equipment
Bring back Ex Gems and Ex Skills
Bring back character relationship alignments and the possibility to get a different character depending on your relationship level with a character
More artes and variety
Robust post game content with dungeons and bosses
NEW MOVES ARTES AND ENEMIES THAT YOU FIGHT UNTIL MAX LEVEL, EVERY GAME HAS NO SCALE AFTER THE STORY IS DONE, YOU GO FROM LEVEL ~70 to 100-200 WITH NOTHING NEW HAPPENING
Bonus content that you can only access through grade shop and New game plus
More costumes
Titles that affect character growth so you can min-max if you want to
Cameos
More secret and final artes

Seriously, it's unacceptable how they throw out what works from other games and follows the same formula of content. Literally just take what you had that works and improve on it and add shit you want, stop throwing out the good shit.

I wish we could steal the budget for FFXV which was utter garbage and use it to make tales better.

>>386258085
>Berseria is the best the series has to offer.
Certainly not in terms of combat, environement and dungeons.

>>386258224
This guy gets it.

>>386242771
Fantastic

>>386258291
Best combat system. Can't deny that world design is shit though. But it has been shit for a while now.

I still can't get over how much they took from Berserk, and they literally called it Berseria.

>>386256987
In terms of Gatcha Rays is good literally because the game 's characters aren't gatcha instead their weapons are gatcha but it's not a problem because 1. You can get rare drops from completing quests. And 2. Events Gatcha have guaranteed 4star pulls.

Asteria Gatcha just has a good ratio of drops and a again unlockable drops.

>>386258141
Actually, Zestiria just sold better overall.

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Tales of Orfellia, Velvet MC again.
WHEN

>>386259045
I guess you'll just have to play Rays instead.

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>>386257618
I think that Kosuke Fujishima should be more involved. I don't notice that 80's feel anymore...

>>386259101
I'm already playing it but it's not enough, I want more velvet.

>>386251767
Being Ludger is suffering

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mfw Homos could not save zesty

>>386259045
Hopefully never and we can get a real fresh start on this fucking series because it sorely needs it.

>>386259279
They tried but to the waifufags kept fucking up.

>>386259418
it was so bad the fans even went and starting turning mikelo into a girl some times

Xillia 1 is like a 5/10 game that Milla waifufags only like

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>>386259491
Because Mikleo is actually a good waifu. The fact that he would have become a 10/10 Christmas cake (though he's tehnically married to Sorey) by the end of Zestiria just makes people wish that he was a girl even more.

Especially since if Mikleo were a girl then Rose would have either not existed or have been made into a male character and the whole Alisha debacle wouldn't happen.

Why can't they make a MMO with Vesperia's combat system

>>386259929
makes me wonder if they'll ever actually run that

making mikleo a girl I mean, it seems to be popular enough

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>>386260260
They won't, in fact knowing Bamco, they won't even acknowledge the fact the Mikleo looks like a girl, even if it could help them get more money, since Otaku and fujo alike love traps.

But Mikleo is simply too popular for them to even bother changing his gender, because if Alisha is the waifu of financial failure for Bamco then Mikleo is the waifu of financial success.

>>386260260
The nips love him too much. They're so retarded when it comes to Tales of.

>>386260630
doesnt his race TECHNICALLY not have a gender?

Give it a rest. It's the CoD of jrpgs at this point.

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>>386249071
Those girls are so flat it's scared. Never seen a 14-year-old so small and flat-chested.

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>>386260815
They don't, and if he truly believed it Mikleo could alter his gender. Hence the reason why there are Nips who see him as a hermaphrodite.

>>386242307
this!

>>386260815
Wait why does Lailah have boobs then?

>>386261171
Because she percieves herself as a young woman with a generous bust.

>>386257453
>>386257779
Hello plebs. Please refrain from shutting up this thread with your poor taste

>>386260910
Flat chest is for patricians.

tvw You will never cum over one of these while asking yourself if you're touching her breasts or her tummy.

>>386261894
Agreed. It's a shame the slut in Abyss isn't flat (she has small breasts afaik).

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>>386256058
>Phantasia GBA

is tales of hearts R good?

what about that new tales game for smartphones?

>>386262301
What's so bad about GBA version? I only played the SNES version.

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>>386262772
Almost forgot that they photoshopped Velvet in the game.

>>386262772
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>386242046
I don't like Tales. This shitty action combat system is making game into fucking messy disaster of thousand rainbow explosions at once. This series will greatly benefit from turn based combat system.

Tales of Beseria was good

>>386262561
Bad framerate during battles (manifests in slowdowns, not just choppiness), shittier soundtrack, drab colours.
The PS1 version is the best one available in English right now.

>>386263772
Interesting, thanks. Maybe I should replay the PS1 version someday. Haven't played the game in like 15 years.

>>386263197
>turn based
no
What it needs is to get away from the clusterfuck of Berseria and Zestiria combat and go back to Xillia 2 style or Graces combat.

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>>386264303
>someday
The guy who does most of the translations is kind of working on the PSP remake bundle with Narikiri Dungeon X. That one seems to be based on the PS1 version but even better. Maybe wait for that to come out, he should be done within the next 5 years.

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>>386249297
>More Rose, obviously!

>more of the mary sue who ruined Zesteria

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>>386242046

>More rewarding combat system
What I mean by this is that Tales tries to achieve that nice little inbetween of a crazy action game you can just go nuts with, but also has the limitations of the typical RPG format. Similar to Graces f or Vesperia, there needs to be pacing to the levelups, but also a proper development for people that want to enjoy the game on the button mashing level as well as anything more advanced beyond that (tech, messing with customization, etc. Don't let things be so painfully streamlined and repetitive feeling, even if that may be hard to do with a JRPG, make the combat options really feel rich, diverse, and alive.)

I feel like a lot of the gameplay problems in recent Tales comes from the development team not knowing how to manage their time well, but also becoming extremely complacent since they have a formula that just seems to work and keeps branching off of it, but has trouble innovating due to crutching on it too much. Symphonia, mediocre or not, was undeniably a huge step forward. Graces was also an incredible step forward, and a few other exceptions, but most of them have been tweaks that ultimately at core still feel like they haven't been messed with much since the title they precede.

>Actually focus on writing the story
There hasn't been a single Tales game that actually went through with realizing its theme without some critical flaws; which is why everyone used to debate which Tales had the best story years back during the weeaboo phases before we realized they were all kind of mediocre. They've had their moments and their strengths, but also constantly stopped themselves from realizing a fuller, more flawless potential, without feeling bloated, preachy, in your face, and so on.

>Bring only the good character designers
And make the guys and girls equally good

>Hire a new composer
Like, seriously

>>386242046
Actually let the dev team finish developing the game? Seriously 4 games in a row were released when they were unfinished.

>>386267676
>>Bring only the good character designers
>And make the guys and girls equally good

the classic "Tales of" character designer might be in hot water due to the controversy with Dark Rose Valkyrie

>>386266698
Let's be fair, both Rose and Alisha ruined Zestiria.

>>386267959

Mind explaining in more detail? First I'm hearing of it.

I miss the time when you had to grind a few levels to beat a boss. I'd love to see this again in future tales games.

>>386268193
basically, Alisha was advertised as the main female as Rose as a minor character.

but then Rose stole Alisha's spot, can ignore the rules of the world, and other stupid shit because the director was a big fanboy of Rose's VA.

They released free Alisha DLC as apology but Rose sadly plays a big role in that

>ya not that one

>>386268983
Learn Japanese.

>>386267676
>There hasn't been a single Tales game that actually went through with realizing its theme without some critical flaws;
That's because Tales is really conservative when out comes to their writing, so they'll never go cross the line to make their stories reach a new level. This is especially obvious when it comes to writing romance. They become distracted by ideas that don't work out don't suit the theme.

The whole confusion in Zestiria was caused by these things.

Stop making all the costumes DLC. Zesteria and Berseria both have over $60 worth of cosmetics, which is more than the fucking base game.

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How does no one think we should imitate tales of the abyss? It's the best game IMO after Vesperia in the series. It had a good story and character development.

>>386268483
Nips got over that bs ages ago, especially after Ufotable made their abortion of an adaptation and then came out and admitted Alisha wasn't ever important in Zestiria's original script. They just increased her screen time because her fans were loud about it online.

So now nips don't like Alisha.

>>386268483

Oh that debacle, yeah I remember that much

Why would the artist be in trouble for this though?

>>386269481
He isn't anon use behind in his info.

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>>386269472
>and then came out and admitted Alisha wasn't ever important in Zestiria's original script

>>386269481
>Why would the artist be in trouble for this though?

the artist is in hot water for >>386267959, I quoted the wrong post.

Basically for Dark Rose Valkyrie, the character designer slept with a cosplayer and then got her a role in the game as the black hired girl. She FUCKING SUCKS.

Also, she got pregnant, announced it before the game came out, and he had to do a shotgun wedding. It also tanked the game's sales.

>>386269619
You're behind in your info aren't you?
http://tokrin.com/archives/50936738.html
TOZX's story was altered to appease to Alishafags who where whining about her character. Besides Ufotable, the director and the producer also outright stated that Alisha was never meant to stick around.


In the same event the guy who designed all of the Armatus outfits came out and confirmed that Alisha's armatus outfit really is anime-only because he never designed an armatus for her to use in the game.

Needless to say Nips were pissed off, since it meant that they got upset about a glorified NPC character, who was pretty much unnecessary to the plot anyway.

>>386270385
Oh yeah and a few months prior to that Alisha's own character designer told everyone that he was told from day one that Alisha was simply just a guest party member that that would only be around for a limited time. It was in her character notes that she wasn't a permanent party members.

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>>386269854

Holy Christ that's miserable

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>>386242307
This senpai

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>>386242046
You can't, Tales fans refuse to be pleased with anything, it's over

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>>386242771
Aged like milk

>>386271905
This, sadly.

>>386271905
Speaking of, I wanna milk Eleanor!

>>386270385
of course they can say that now, years after ToZ came out.

It's glorified damage control and should considered at all.

Better question, what was the exact point Tales went to shit?

>>386271581
>Holy Christ that's miserable

CH tried to damage control it by making it so you can turn on/off voices of individual characters. Said girl is not even a voice actress

>>386275882
Actually, that's a common misconception. They've actually been saying that from the very start. In fact the earliest interview with the head writer he outright said that Alisha "was just a normal girl who could never be Sorey's equal".

Circumstanial evidence also confirms this. They were working on Berseria at the same time as Zestiria, and and in Berseria Velvet being and others being incapable of resonance is why she could never truly help Arthur even if she wanted to. In addition in the Tales Anniversary Guidebook which came out at around the same time as the game it also confirms that if anything Alisha was meant to be even more inconsequential since the book refers to Sorey's time in Hyland as one where he had zero human companions who could help or understand him.

The evidence showing that Alisha was always meant to be a side character was always there. Alishafags were just drowned in their own delusion and chose to ignore it.

people don't understand that berseria being good isn't so much about its own merits, because it does feel low budget, but rather how many steps into the right direction it takes after baba fucked off. it's a good sign for the future.
plot's pretty good too, one of the best antagonists in the series

>>386277486
>They've actually been saying that from the very start.

then why did the defense force only appear after the anime?

>>386275953
When other games started getting budgets and advertising, and Tales didn't.
Xillia 2 was great, but is overshadowed by the reused assets and being an unnecessary sequel. You can't win with Namco, look what they did to Souls.

>>386277486
>The evidence showing that Alisha was always meant to be a side character was always there.

the card game stated that Alisha was the main heroine of Zesteria. Then after it came out it was patched to say she premiered in ToZ.

The fucking official mobile game thought she was the main heroine, not Rose the mary sue

it's amazing people still get butthurt about rose and alisha when both of them are shit characters
i bet people would hate alisha just as much if she got an entire game to be bland, like rose got an entire game to be a shitty mary sue

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This thread is going in a direction I don't like so
I love Velvet.

>>386277695
They were always there see>>386270651 , it's just that Alishafags ignored it because it didn't suit their narrative about their waifu being a glorified NPC, and loudly declared all evidence proving their theory false as "damage control". It's just that the anime needing to alter the worldbuilding and story so much just to make Alisha relevant made it clear to he average Nip that she was disconnected from the main plot, and Ufotable admitting that the anime was completely original was the stone that broke the camel's back.
>>386277830
You mean Asteria which was handled by a different group of people.

Besides that Alisha has less than half the amount of assets as everyone else.

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>>386242046
Tales of Skyrim.

>>386278327
>Besides that Alisha has less than half the amount of assets as everyone else.

because of Rose stealing her role

>>386242046
We start by Namco localizing all the Tales that are still only Japanese only, then porting Vesperia over to PC

>>386278401
Make a new game you fucking hack

Remake Phantasia. None of that port bullshit, a full rmake.

>>386278401
>it's just zesitira but permanently stuck in that first person camera that happens when you get caught in a corner

>Take the core combat concept
>Pretend the series isn't a long term genre mainstay with endless tropes spammed every title
>Make a game out of it
>Give it a budget

Basically have a completely brand new team do it

>>386278619
Wasn't the psp one good enough? It fixed the battles.

>>386278619
Why even? Phantasia looks and plays better than this new garbage.

>>386278498
Those assets couldn't have been made last minute, especially with the creators working on Berseria at the same time, especially because they are unique assets, in fact when you get down to it the theory's whole basis is flawed.

In addition you also have Lunarre who was created to be a part of Rose's group, and also the early draft for the story shows that Alisha was meant to be even more pointless. Face it it man, you're waifu is irrelevant. No one "stole her place" she is irrelevant and was always so.

>>386278619
>phantasia

Eternia is without meming, literally the best Tales game. In fact fuck it, I'm gonna go play a new game of it now.

>>386278498
Fun fact, before Baba even claimed there to be "no heroine" the creators had already outright came out and said that they created Zestiria to not have an female heroine. In fact they literally designed Mikleo to take on the role and responsibility of a heroine. But he was made a boy because they didn't want to have a romance between a boy and girl.

Rose wasn't even created with the idea that she was a heroine in mind, she was created as a foil to challenge Sorey's view, not unlike say Gaius but female and mandatory. It's just that they needed a girl to be in the forefront soo...

>>386279135

No, it's written like shit, the worldbuilding is non-existent, the cast is tropey and boring, and the combat is too simplistic. Trying to play it immediately after Abyss didn't feel good at all. I got to Celestia and dropped it, might pick it up again since it seems so short (this is apparently 1/3rd of the game, but I got there in <8 hours).

The only thing Eternia has going for it is the comfiness, those 2D backgrounds are pretty good.

>>386279583
>before Baba even claimed there to be "no heroine" the creators had already outright came out and said that they created Zestiria to not have an female heroine.

any proof?

>>386242046
Who cares? He hasn't even been in a sonic game in years.

>>386279672
>it's written like shit
>when your only frame of reference is the first world
You have literally no idea what the game is about.

Idk but whoever made legendia needs to be lynched

>>386279840

Fair point, but the story so far has been extremely barebones, felt really rushed and filled with plotholes. It's enough to mar the entire experience, even if it gets better.

>>386279707
You want me to find shit from over 3 years ago?

>>386280019
yes because you claimed it happened. Burden of proof lies on your shoulders

>>386279978
>and filled with plotholes
Because you don't know the full story. The plot seems incoherent because the game is purposely not telling you parts of it.

>>386279891
>but whoever made legendia
The Soul Calibur team

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Berseria fags are so insufferable. Name one good element of the game without citing characters or the waifus you wish to fuck. That's right, you can't, because everything is shit, including the spammy, brain dead combat. I swear to Christ, just slap some tits on the main character and people suddenly ignore the fact game isn't that fun to play.

>>386280125
Then check the archive, people have been posted this shit 2 years ago. And I'm in no mood to buy a book overseas just to post the interviews they collected in it.

>>386280156

There are a lot of minor holes that can't be explained away later, and even though it's little things, it triggers me greatly. Here are a couple of examples I still remember

>the way orz earrings work is inconsistent with the given explanation at all
>want to explain the grand fall at the castle and observatory, but literally don't have a chance to mention even a single word about it
>finally explain the grand fall to local pope
>he wants to detain us
>run out of cathedral
>royal soldiers waiting outside tell us they want to arrest us for spreading lies we didn't have a single chance to actually spread yet

This sort of shit is all over the place

>>386280573
Why should I look since the burden of proof lies on you

>And I'm in no mood to buy a book overseas just to post the interviews they collected in it.
so there is no proof

>Most annoying characters
Collete, Leia, Mikleo, Cheria

>Dumbest character
Lloyd Irving

>Gayest character
That girly boy from legendia

>characters I personally wanna bang
Milla, Jude, Rowan, Asbel, Pascal, Malick, PRESEA

>>386280590
Nothing you know about the Grand Fall, the spirits, or any of that is correct anyway. It's all a conspiracy.

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>>386242046
Tales of needs a better writer, but in general, they need to stop relying on tropes to carry them through everything. From the characters to the worlds to the gameplay mechaincs, everything feels lazy and untasteful. I played Phantasia on Super Famicom to hell and back and beat it a few times, I'd consider it my favorite JRPG of all time, but most everything else after that never connected and more often than not irritated the fuck out of me. I put in a few dozen hours into Vesperia as well, a friend of mine told me to play until I got to Gattuso or whatever the wolf boss's name was and I really liked it, only to find out its difficulty was completely unintentional, and on top of that had to suffer through poorly written characters for 10 hours. I did play a few dozen more hours but I quickly lost interest I want to fuck Estelle

>>386280863
I can't bring myself to hate Collete. She has such a sweetheart, girl next door voice in english.

>>386280891

Maybe, but it's not relevant to these examples of shit writing I mentioned, they're self-contained. But whatever, I have it installed, I'll get through it soon.

>>386280196
Free movement by default is much better than any other implementation of the system
Fuck that they decided to downgrade Zestiria's weakness system though

>>386281038
That's about the only good thing about the combat.

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Who is the best character in Tales and why is it this smug motherfucker

>>386242771
The Ocarina of Time of Tales games.

>>386281005
It is relevant. The king and pope intentionally spread lies because they wants you dead so you don't go to Celestia. Because Celestia is the realm of the dark god that brings ruin to everything and going there could awaken it.

>>386280896
>they need to stop relying on tropes to carry them through everything.

But that's the whole appeal of these series. People play them specifically because they're tropey anime in vidya form.

>>386280125
Not sure if this is what you're looking for but here. Here's one of the interviews, this one with the head writer

>However, Alisha is a normal human, and she has to face the reality that she cannot measure up to Sorey. The girl he meets after that, Rose, is less of a 'heroine’ than Sorey’s 'foil’. Mikleo, Lailah and the others would tend to think about their problems the same way as Sorey does, so Rose is the character who views things differently, assisting Sorey who has just learned about his limits from his parting with Alisha. We made her into a character that, at the end of the story, you can see her accepting what Sorey leaves her with, and know that she will certainly continue it and keep it alive.

It should be known that only Baba has ever referred to Alisha as a heroine, the actual staff members for Zestiria never do so, which may have been what caused the problem in the first place.

>>386281075
You wanted ONE (1) element.

>>386281193

My point is that, unless they somehow knew beforehand why we were even here or who we were, they couldn't have known that that was our goal. That's the thing, after the party arrives into Inferia City, they only actually mention all this to the pope, at which point soldiers are already looking for them.

>>386281117
What's the best High ougi and why is it Shining Bind?

>>386281329
Because Race is the avatar of Seyfert,
he can sense you and knows why you're there.

>>386281319
That's not an element, that's a minor facet of the combat system (Which is 98% shit)

I CALL UPON THEE IN THE LAND OF THE DEAD TO REVEAL THY FURY OF THUNDER

>>386281434
what the HECK is that?

>>386280196
You could apply your logic to Tales fag in general, fuck you stupid nigger berseria is the best.

>>386281423

O-oh

Well that's bullshit. :^(

>>386281546
It ends, HEIA
INDIGNAYSHUN

SACRED POWERS CAST THY PURIFYING LIGHT UPON THESE CORRUPT SOULS, REST IN PEACE SINNERS

>>386281339
>High

>>386281646
Yeah you kinda killed the chosen one of destiny, so Reid gets handed his job 75% into the game

I CALL UPON THE SERVANT OF MOTHER EARTH

I CALL UPON THE ENVOY FROM THE DARK ABYSS

>>386280590

Wait that's not what happened, you tell the Pope that dark matter is increasing at the spot where the worlds part and Keele says the worlds are going to collide. The Pope has you arrested for blasphemy because their religion says that dark matter increasing is the sign that the god Seyfert is returning. Then that royal researchers measures the world distance and realizes they are in fact getting closer, so the king of Inferia says it's a Celestian plot and declares war on Celestia.

LIGHT BE THY SUSTENANCE AND DESTROY THE ENEMEY

THE END! BECOME DUST! INFERNAL RUIN!

>>386281307
>no link

doesn't count

>>386282026

It is what happened, they arrest you 5 seconds after the pope conversation, and the distance is measured after they're caught and sitting in the pit.

>>386282052
Wrong version.

>>386280836
Here's the director's view on the whole ordeal

>HASE: Although the opinions were quite divided within the team as well, the theme is the theme no matter what, so it is impossible to deny what the characters really want to do. So, as an individual, Alisha, while she thought of travelling with Sorey, would ultimately choose to live as a royalty. Her path is separated from Sorey’s, so if it is not, then the theme of “Zestiria” will be a fake theme, so it turned out this way.

Again it should be known that only Hideo Baba has ever refers to Alisha as a heroine, which may have been what caused the confusion to begin with.

Also as stated before, the fact that Alisha has less assets means that Rose could not have been made in a year as the conspiracy theory claims, but would have to have been around for far longer.

>>386273763
Milk what?

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Here's your iced coffee sir.

>>386282146
>they arrest you 5 seconds after the pope conversation

Yeah because the pope calls for your execution for said blasphemy.

LIGHTING BLA-SUPER LIGHTING BLADE LIGHTNING BLA-SUPER LIGHTNING BLADE LIGHTNING BLA-SUPER LIGHTNING BLADE LIGHTNING BLA-SUPER LIGHTNING BLADE

>>386282142
As stated all interviews were collected in the Tales of Zestiria guidebooks, I'm not about to buy the books for $$$ amount of dollars just because a salty Alishafag can't handle the fact that his waifu is irrelevant.

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>>386281117
>people love Jade
>but hate Rowen
I don't understand how this fandom can be so assbackwards, but then again, Rita is a popular character too so nothing makes sense. What is it about the Mage Archetype/Role that fucks with people's minds in this series?

I have faith in the new producer. Bamco just needs to give it a better budget.

>>386282383
I like both

>>386282276

And the pope telepathically called the guards and teleported them outside the church during the 20 seconds that passed after he heard the party's blasphemous explanation. Sure, buddy.

The other anon spoiling things already explained this inconsistency, why are you still trying?

>>386282274
Lloyd would be the guy that misspells your name on your cup intentionally, I tell you.

>>386242046
Actual make an attempt at level design.

>>386282456
>And the pope telepathically called the guards and teleported them outside the church during the 20 seconds that passed after he heard the party's blasphemous explanation.

That's not a plot hole, that's a plot cliche. Being able to instantly have tons of guards burst into the room just by saying "guards!"