What went right?

kicking

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>>386238215
PC focused development

>>386238258
ice puddles is where it's at

>>386238215
everything except the boss battles
and demon form
boss battles are stupid and gimmicky
demon form is mostly useless

>>386238215
Pretty much everything.

>tfw contrarians on /v/ praise this and say it has superior combat to dishonored simply because its older

look up any dishonored gameplay from that br and its 10x more fluid, smooth and exciting than this >>386238340

>>386238215

Nothing. It was watered down Arx Fatalis, which was already pretty fucking watered down, crossed with Goat Simulator.

>>386238340
This honestly.

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>>386238517
Really good bait, I'll bite.

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>>386238602
>not even offering an argument in reply

>>386238536
fuck, i forget about the arx fatalis contrarian faggots

>>386238340
Huh... looks like fun.

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>>386238692
Have another (You), I'm feeling generous today.

>>386238692
Wow it's almost like enjoyment of a game is subjective or something

>>386238956
I'll take that (You), and the knowledge that I won yet another argument with retarded contrarian faggots that can only spew memes in response to their ideas being challenged.

>>386238848
Oh it is.

>>386239046
>argument
>won
>/v/

>>386238956
You got the kicking webm?

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>>386239138
Not the compilation.

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>>386238215
thanks for reminding me it existed

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>>386239198

>>386239198
>>386238956
>>386238602
>>386238340
I must be the only fag that used the bow.

>>386239204
You're welcome, mate.

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>>386238215

They knew what kind of game they wanted to make, and made it.

I'll always maintain that Dark Messiah is one of those games made by a bunch of a guys who often said "Wouldn't it be fun if we added this?" over the course of the games development. It's not some amazingly deep 10/10 experience with a profound story and multi-faceted characters - but it's simply fun in a way that video games should be.

Also Xana best girl.

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>>386239046
>I won yet another argument with retarded contrarian faggots
You only miss a fedora

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>>386238215
>Game's director left Arkane recently

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>>386238215
Best vydia dad.

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>>386239289
I only used the ice bow to create slippery surfaces.
Melee is too fun.

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>>386239440
such bully

>>386239440
>Lilliputian Leliana.
Just imagine the possibilities.

>>386239557
you can do that?
man what the fuck

>>386238517
You can't kick in Dishonored

>>386239198
Thought I had the webm but I don't. Found the video though https://youtu.be/KnxgQMSsc8c

>>386239438
Dark Messiah is a Ubisoft game anyway, i wonder what will happen to Arkane now though.

>>386239440
>throws a vase
I fucking chuckle every time.

>>386239694
legendary

>>386239557
>kicks him away
perfect

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>>386239329
>What went right?
Xana. Best waifu.

>>386239440
Don't bully!

>>386239754
Well, there's a dishonoured 2 DLC coming up.

I really hope that whatever they do after that shadows dark messiah to some extent (with a focus on swordfighting) but I dunno if they will.

>>386238517
Not that guy, but I played Dishonored as a stealth game, I didn't really do the whole combat thing. All I know is that Dishonored doesn't have different swings dependent on movement and all of the upgrades are focused on your outsider's mark magic and not the melee combat, don't get me wrong I love that game, but seriously just go play Dark Messiah. It's got the whole Mount and Blade thing where your swings are different depending on your movement, also picking up and throwing shit is better in Dark Messiah for sure. Just fuck around with it anon, it's not a long game and Dishonored certainly beats it in many things, but the swordplay is not one of them.

>>386239440
I always used to pick her
Maybe because I was such big muh good guy fag or something+she has bigger tits, also items you get to use after killing Xana are op as fuck

>>386240067
But how can you deny near-infinite demonic powers and a succubus?
Even though demon form sucks

>>386240067
I always found xana to be a lot more fun to be around. Not only was she flirty and seductive and all that, she was actually entertaining to listen to. She was all enthusiastic and sarcastic and had interesting things to say.

lianna was just as boring as you can get.

>>386240189
Sprinting in demon form was the best shit ever.

>>386238382
>everything except the boss battles
To be honest the green orc one was decent at least

>>386239557
.webm Anon post more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnxgQMSsc8c&l

Anyone go to try multiplayer? I never got it to work.

>>386240189
>>386240257
Like I said I was a good karma fag. Even today can hardly make decisions in games that are considered evil.

>>386238215
It was made by Arkane Studios.

>>386238215
>game was $2.49 a year ago
>it hasn't gone below $4.99 since

I should have bought it.

>>386240257
I couldn't leave her in the spider pit, would've been a waste to just kill her after I saved her.

>>386240480
Just pirate it or something if you're really having a hard time coughing up a fiver.

>>386240506
If you save her from the spider pit and then immediately kill her, Sareth shouts "BEGONE, WENCH" and then xana orgasms.

>>386238215
Actually good 1st person melee combat

>>386240563
He says various lines - I accidently hit her while fighting and he goes all "YOU'LL MANIPULATE ME NO LONGER", like christ Sareth calm down.

>>386240402
It was pretty good. Don't know why people ignored it so much. There were also a lot of spells and stuff that was missing from the single campaign. And pretty viable archery too.

>Try hard difficulty
>enemies are fucking sponges
>ghouls 1 shot you and sometimes even if you block because their claws fucking clip through your shield

my only complain really

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>>386240402
I tried it with a few friends on LAN before, it was pretty fun. There's no kick which is disappointing and makes guard breaking a little harder, but it played like Chivalry with better controls and a few magic classes. I remember one map had a rotating middle point which was fun as fuck to fight on. We tried using hamachi back when that was a thing a few days later but that didn't work very well for whatever reason.

>>386240480
I mean, $5 isn't much for a video game anon, never mind a good one. Just pick the less expensive lunch tomorrow at work or uni or whatever the fuck.

>>386240189
Could you kill Lianna then get rid of Xana as well? If I remember correctly it's a little after the choice to kill Lianna where you can get rid of Xana? It defo wasn't a one or the other thing.

>>386239506
I really love how when you move the mouse slightly it moves your head before moving your entire body, not that my screenshot shows it very well. I only took like 10 and most of them were of me fucking with Lianna's body I have played the game since 2012 either according to steam.

>>386240808
Mages were OP as fuck - also playing warrior was suffering - even priests fucked you up. Fucking brambles.

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>>386239440
>showing off for the other pretty girl, are we?

>>386240561
>>386241047

It's not that I can't afford to pay five dollars. I just don't want to pay twice what I should have paid. If buying games were a game, that would be losing.

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>>386238215
>Initially developed exclusively for the PC
>Properly utilized the source engine and didn't just feel like a glorified HL2 mod
>First person melee combat that's actually fun when you're not fighting ghouls or other monstrous enemies
>Plenty of replay value
>You can't just see your feet, no, you can see your entire lower body
>Awful writing and voice acting that's so hammy that it ends up being enjoyable
>Xana

>>386241150
(((ok)))

>>386240703

There's a difference between being the best we've ever gotten and actually being good. Dark Messiah's first person melee is not good. It's hold button to charge power attack, release button to attack, repeat until enemy is dead. All this other shit in the webms are novelties that you will barely ever do because it's just easier and faster to spam power attacks over and over again. The only time you ever die in the game is when you try to do something "wacky" in combat.

>>386240067
>not getting the op shit AND killing Leiliana
Fuck even dad compliment you for being such a backstabber piece of shit

>>386241047
>Could you kill Lianna then get rid of Xana as well?

No, it isn't possible. If you kill Leliana at any point before cleansing Xana, the door to the church won't open.

>>386241174
But Xana is the worst waifu, my anonymous message board friend.

>>386241396
But you meet Leliana after you've cleansed Xana, so you can just kill her there.

>>386241301
You need a game to force you to have fun?
Having options and wacky gimmicks is not enough for you, because you need to min max as fast as you can?
then this game is not for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYSdnu1nM

Posting this in every Dark Messiah thread

>>386241396
But you can let Leliana die in the Spider prison before the city section/Xana purification and kill her after saving her so you get more points to use

>>386238517
Dishonored combat is complete shit. It's more "fluid" and "smooth" because each fight lasts about a second. You swoop in, stab or behead the guy and that's that. If you do that at any pace other than autistic speedrun like the BR guy you refer to it wouldn't be "exciting", it's DEPRESSING. It's depressing that game developers think you suck at games so bad you need every hit with your sword to be an instant kill. It's depressing that they think you can't handle pressing a direction while hitting. It's depressing that they had a great, dynamic combat system already and scrapped it entirely in favor of one-hit kill presented as fully locked in animations.

>>386241150
That's a strange way at looking at it anon, but whatever.

>>386241301
You sound pretty boring anon, I'm the kind of guy who plays through games with those gimped gimmick weapons because it's fun. Like all those useless yet cool weapons in Souls, I don't care if I hit something a few more times because the damage is lower.

>>386241472

I'm pretty sure you'll just get a game over if you do that. You need her alive to get the endings, the cinematics won't make sense otherwise

>>386238956
Not him but you're a retard.

>getting chasrd by a bunch of enemies
>Place an ice trap at a corner you turn
>They all slip off and fly off a cliff
Game is worth it for that experience alone

>>386241606

If you let her die in the spider prison, the church won't open, and Xana will still be with you. Then you'll kill undead Leanna at the necropolis.

You have to finish the game with one of the girls, I'm 90% sure that you can't have both of them dead and still beat it.

>>386241509

I shouldn't be able to spam the simplest of shit from the beginning all the way through to the end of the game and not only have it work every single time but also be the most effective and consistent way to beat pretty much everything.

The game is fucking piss easy and it's piss easy because it's a poor implementation. Anyone who calls that "good" can go fuck themselves.

Two things that annoyed the shit out of me in this game

>Power attacks will constantly be interrupted by slight bumps in the geometry
and
>Goblins have twice the range that they should

Other than that, great game.

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Lianna is lewd

>>386241517
It's a tradition now.

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>>386241712
>I'm pretty sure you'll just get a game over if you do that.
As in, you haven't tried it.
Been a long time since I've played it till the end, but I'm fairly certain you can kill Leliana just about anytime you please once you're past the ork island.

>>386239438
Good for him. Maybe he can make another good game now after all the trash he had to make for Zenikike.

>>386241906
>I'm fairly certain you can kill Leliana just about anytime you please once you're past the ork island

Yes, and Xana will still be with you, therefore it won't be a game over, because you still have one of the girls.

You seem to be having a lot of trouble with this.

>>386241150
>if buying games were a game, that would be losing!

I can't wait for the /v/ simulator. You play an angry loli waiting for steam sales and paying minimum prices for vidya. You earn points via a calculation of enjoyment-per-dollar and earn score multipliers in a minigame where you browse /v/ and select the best 'argument' to defend your game. Difficulty level is dynamic, your enjoyment-per-dollar ratio is affected by 3 genres of games you select prior to your playthrough. If you want an easy game choose more popular genres, if you want a hard game choose more obscure shit.

>>386241967
Because you seem to be incapable of understanding that you can cleanse Xana and kill Leliana, in that order too.

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>>386241301
As you can see in my 24 skill points at the top, I'm not really the kind of guy who does whatever it takes to do things easier and faster, in fact I'm the retard who doesn't upgrade shit until I'm having trouble with something. I only used the pistol in DOOM for a long time, I didn't get the Frog Fractions meme because I never bought and of the pick ups and so on, if it's game where I have to purchase upgrades myself, I'll likely keep collecting them until I either can no longer progress or just before the final fight so I can go ham for the first time. As you can imagine, JRPGs are a nightmare.

>>386241356
Wait what? That is actually possible?

>>386241806
you don't have to spam the simplest shit, you can be creative. This is what it's about, and it seems you don't get it

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>>386241174
>Then the port happened
>mfw how bad it was

>>386241794
>>386242210
I'm fucking certain i finished the game with neither girls alive.
I just downloaded the game, don't think i can reach the ending as i like this play this game very slowly.

>>386242102
>If you want an easy game choose more popular genres
>implying finding a good game in popular genres isn't the hardest because those are the genres that get ruined by consoleplebs

Try finding a good singleplayer FPS made after 2007 (1 decade ago).

>>386238215
why hasnt there been a graphics mod for this game yet

>>386242114
>you can cleanse Xana and kill Leliana, in that order too

No, you'll get a game over, just like if you attacked her before she gets abducted. The ending cinematics have either Xana or Leanna with you, there's no secret 5th ending where both are dead. Arantir even references them during his fight.

You are making shit up and expecting me to take your word for it. Stop.

>>386242135

Congratulations, you discovered how to make your own fun with a heavily flawed system. That doesn't mean the system is not flawed anymore.

If we were talking about a "normie" game instead of a meme game with waifus nobody around here would have any trouble raining shit on the many, many issues with the game and no amount of "but it's fun for me" would be considered a valid defense. This game, along with others like Prey, were rightly considered mediocre in their day because they were fucking mediocre. Now you got bunch of "good old days" fags going on about how it's best thing ever and they don't make them like this anymore. It's all bullshit.

>>386239958
Dishonored 2 is not made by the same studio, prey is and it's getting a lot of flak for no reason

>>386242303
There is like four endings on youtube

>>386242378
>You are making shit up and expecting me to take your word for it. Stop.
As are you.

>>386238404
likewise

>>386241174
>THOSE *DAMNED* GOBLINS HAVE TAKEN CONTROL OF THE PORT-CHULLISS"

>>386242557
What ever you say dude, FEAR is also could be played like a cover shooter or you could have fun.

>>386242621

The difference is that I have actual logic backing up my argument. The game already has a system in place for giving you a game over if you attack Leanna on the island (or show your demon form to your allies). It makes sense that they would implement this as well during the Necropolis section.

What's your claim? That you can kill both girls, and have one of them inexplicably show up for the end fight and cinematic? Amazing argument.

You're an idiot.

When this game released i honestly thought a whole way of new games would come out with similar combat styles... To me at the time it seemed amazing. But then... Nothing.

>>386242352
>Try finding a good singleplayer FPS made after 2007 (1 decade ago).
Aw shit, you got me! Now I understand why I am playing Tetris.

>>386239557
lol

>>386242747

The difference is FEAR is still fun as a cover shooter without all the bicycle kicks and shit, which aren't really that fun because they are ridiculously OP anyway, because at it's base it's a good implementation of shooter mechanics. Dark Messiah is not, it's poor melee combat mechanics with wacky hijinks pasted on top.

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>>386242701
That's my favorite line too

>Just found out there is a mod that removes the HP scaling with difficulty but keeps the damage scaling

oh boy time to reinstall

>>386242352
>can choose to be either casual, "normal", or hardcore
>casuals enjoy more games overall but can't stomach the best enjoyment games and have massive penalties to arguing on /v/
>hardcores dislike most games but get massive bonuses for the highest enjoyment games and arguing on /v/
Fund it

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>>386242618
Then maybe i got confused, even trought i'm still certain there was a way or maybe got into some extremely rare bug.

>>386242826
>The difference is that I have actual logic backing up my argument
You'd like to call that logic, but it's no better than what I'm presenting you dimwit.
There would be one easy way to argue your case, and that would be referring to the youtube videos of the various endings.

>>386242352
I liked titanfall 2, the new wolfensteins and DooM

you'd probably call me a pleb for those, though.

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>>386243547
>it's no better than what I'm presenting

What you're presenting is a claim that flies in the face of the games own internal logic that requires either character to be alive in order to have the endings and certain dialogue make sense. If you were able to kill Leanna after getting rid of Xana, it was just a bug you encountered, and not the developers intended sequence of events.

>referring to the youtube videos of the various endings

I already stated there are only 4 endings. Why would I need to post a youtube video of that?

You're still an idiot, and very bad at forming a proper argument.

>>386243749
>titanfall 2
Yeah, that's pretty pleb

>>386243097
why are you so dedicated to trying to convince people that the games they like are bad.

>>386242826
im pretty sure you can kill lianna but purge xana all the same, or you can purge xana and kill lianna when you meet her at the gate.

>>386243859
it's fun

>>386243927
>im pretty sure you can kill lianna but purge xana

You can't kill Leanna before she separates from you after rescuing her from the spider, and still cleanse Xana. The doors to the church won't open and you won't be able to get inside for the ritual.

>or you can purge xana and kill lianna when you meet her at the gate
The point of contention is whether or not you get a game over if you do that (probably) or if the game continues normally until you get the "good" ending and she somehow shows up in the cinematic (which would make your ability to kill her a bug).

>>386243927
>why are you so dedicated to trying to convince people that the games they like are bad.

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm pointing out how flawed the combat mechanics of the game are in light of people claiming it's good combat mechanics. It was even admitted you have to overlook flaws and find the fun. Actually, not admitted, dismissed as if there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You're problem is you don't like the idea that you might like something that's not "objectively" good. Afraid it will undermine your high opinion of yourself or something?

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>>386243202
Don't you think it's really just the combination of experience and the market switching to consoles? The truth is, I'm still a casual at heart, I just started playing video games casually when they were made for the platform I play on and now they're shit ports with bad controls (console players can't aim), limited design (console players only have 6 buttons and can't turn around quickly) and bad options menus (console players don't get options at all). I didn't change nearly as much as the industry did. I can still enjoy the same games I played back then. Hell, even though my mechanical skill has gone through the roof since then I can still get mad at unfair parts in old games. I'm not "hardcore", I just can't un-play better games. I know games since 2007 don't live up to what they could be if they were designed around the highest difficulty and around PC input like they used to be before everything went to shit.

>>386243749
All console trash. I played Titanfall 1 beta, they couldn't even get mouse input right, there was random acceleration based on framerate. New Wolfenstein looks so bad in videos, didn't even try. And I did play about half of Doom, then got too bored and uninstalled. The game is designed around easy mode, highest difficulty just means every random attack does massive damage and your own weapons feel weak. The effect is that the pace is slower, which is the last thing the game needed.

>>386244459
what games -do- you like?

>>386243097
>cover shooters are fun
Why would you spew such nonsense? It only makes you seem desperate.

>>386244459
Even the floor texture looks better in Dark Messiah.

>>386245391
I think dishonored definitely did a good job with the textures despite them being fairly low resolution. The painterly style looked really nice and also meant that it ran really smoothly

>>386243814
>What you're presenting is a claim that flies in the face of the games own internal logic that requires either character to be alive in order to have the endings and certain dialogue make sense. If you were able to kill Leanna after getting rid of Xana, it was just a bug you encountered, and not the developers intended sequence of events.
And how do you know what the developers intended, you asked them?
No, it's purely speculation on your part, and you're trying to sell it off as the gospel.

>I already stated there are only 4 endings. Why would I need to post a youtube video of that?
And why would I believe you? Idiot.

>You're still an idiot, and very bad at forming a proper argument.
You're the retard who couldn't even shut a discussion down when you had proof backing you up.
Dimwit.

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>>386239886
>inferno fags

Truly the worst breed of Ashan

Imagine they made DMMM in Homm3's setting

>>386238215
>Can melee while moving.
Nothing. Enjoy your floaty garbage.

>>386245106
FPS made for PC. There used to be plenty.

Singleplayer games I liked and still like to revisit sometimes:
Unreal
Half Life
Deus Ex
Noone Lives Forever series
FEAR
Dark Messiah
Crysis

Post 2007 - as far as FPS are concerned - I can only play multiplayer because that's the only kind of FPS still made for PC. I play Quake Live and CS:GO. The latter is slow and boring but it does fit the demand "not held back by playtesters with controllers".

>>386245391
Dark Messiah was made for 1000+ dollar computers in 2006. Dishonored was made for 500 dollar computers from 2005.

>>386245762
>can't melee while moving

Is there a name for your disability?

>>386245993
Most people go with "autism" I think.

>>386246070
he could also be in a manual wheelchair though

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>>386245993
>He likes his games floaty and likes his fundamentals of spacing, move selection, and timing replaced with shimmying back and forth.

386246164
Go play final fantasy then dumb weeb.
No (you)'s though.

>>386246164
Try swinging a sword as hard as you can irl, see if you can stand in place perfectly still while doing so. What are you, a 2D fighter player who expects 3D melee to pan out like Street Fighter or something? Where do you get that expection of being stuck in place from?

>>386245685
>And how do you know what the developers intended, you asked them?

Because they only had 4 endings, dipshit, as well as Arantir referring to your ally when you fight him (there's no dialogue where both are dead). You're saying they intended for there to be a 5th ending, but didn't put it in, yet still intended for you to be able kill Leanna and Xana both? What is the godamn logic of that?

>And why would I believe you?
Are you serious? You actually doubted whether there were 4 endings or not, even though that was easily verifiable, and could have completely upended my argument if I was wrong. But you needed me to give you proof of that, meaning you didn't believe me, but you also didn't say you didn't believe me, meaning you expected me to read your fucking mind. You just expected me to know which parts of my claims you did and did not dispute, like I'm a fucking psychic wizard and I can reach across the ether to pluck the thoughts from your consciousness.

Here's a tip for the future. WHEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE SOMEONES CLAIM, ASK FOR PROOF, YOU ABSOLUTE BLITHERING RETARD.

>>386246606
>autism

>>386246317
Final Fantasy has worse gameplay, nice lack of arguments though. Remember:
>Spacing, move selection, timing, punishing, etc, all replaced with shimmying thanks to retarded FPS-derived PC melee move-while-meleeing floaty garbage.
>No hit-stop/hit-stun like good melee games.
>Completely lacking impact, shit animations, etc.
Enjoy your trash :^)

>>386240067
I picked Xana, because even if she's doing things for her own reasons, she actually helped you. She even resurrected you from the dead with the magic skull thing.

What Leliana did for you? Healed your ass when you were trashed by a group of orcs during some sections?

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>>386245758
Fuck you for making me wish for something that will never exist. Great taste though. Necropolis for no-life.

Installed it about a week ago and I've been replaying every level five times out of sheer enjoyment. Only to Chapter 7 so far. One of the most fun games I've played in years and a truly spectacular game.
Only problem is the undead. FUCK THE UNDEAD. Chapter 6 is basically the sewer levels of VtMB.

>>386246686
>No hit-stop/hit-stun like good melee games.
That's completely wrong though. Have you even played the game?

>>386246531
>Animations exhibiting power is the same as completely free movement while meleeing.
>DMC/Bayo/NG don't plant movement while meleeing.
Your example is applicable in reverse if you want to talk about combat simulation though; swing a weapon as hard as possible while moving and see how quickly you're thrown off balance.
The difference between the two is one makes for a much better game.

>>386246968
There is zero hitstop and hitstun is infrequent. Did you play the game.

I know it was a small thing, but back then I was a big fan of crafting in games. The two or three times in DMMM you get to make swords I thought was the coolest. I realize you didn't actually do anything, no skill involved, nothing aside from the metal (I think) changed the outcome. But actually going through the small forging process was pretty cool. Way better than most games today which is just selecting from a menu.

>>386247103
You have an uninterruptable and spammable kick move

>>386245915
>Crysis
Fuck, I miss Crysis Wars.

>>386247020
>completely free movement while meleeing

Dark Messiah doesn't let you move completely freely while meleeing. The powerful attacks make you move whether you want to or not. Especially the sprinting attack, you can't stand still or move backwards while doing that one. Generally the attacks themselves feel very weighty and directional. I would rather take a dynamic, free system like Dark Messiah's than a rigid, locked down system where most of the time is spent just watching animations.

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more games need blacksmithing

>>386247020
>comparing third person action games about crazy combos to first person melee combat
And your opinion goes into the trash.

>game has viewrolling
already a 10/10 in my book

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>>386238215
Why is PC boxart so fucking terrible always?

>>386249220
you're suffering from severe autism and its not

>>386249220
Because nobody on PC bought a game in a box since 2007

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>>386249329
>it's not

It can't anon, it's a fucking box, id say if one anons opinion gets you this mad thrn you are the autistic one. Most PC exclusive gamea have shit box art work (if they even still have fucking boxes) deal with it.

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>>386249723
Ok, but why were they alway shit when they did?

>>386249974
Because SWAT 4 is a brilliant game, you don't need good box art to sell it

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>>386250070
I know i know anon, it just feels to me like they are always being an uncreative bunch. Its like they just go "put a love action dude on it, don't forget to edit out the watermark."

Meanwhile a lot of console box art got really good during gen 6 imo

>>386240531
jesus fucking christ that sky barrel backshot kill was gold

>>386250271
*Japanese & european box art

American box art is irredeemable trash

>>386245915
Everything but FEAR feels dated as all hell old man.