Only nu-male redditors will disagree with this.

>>386236896
>B-b-b-b-but

>>386236896
I've never seen something so right

How new does a game need to be to be declared modern?
Some of those are now 10 years old

>4 Bethesda games
underage b8

>>386236896
This is a really solid list honestly.

>>386236896
>Skyrim
>Bloodbourne
>The Last of Us
>MGS V
>GTA IV
other than that I agree

>>386236896
Replace skyrim with Nier Automata and MGSV with persona 5 and you win

>>386236896
Is this ironic? Because this is exactly what a redditor would like

>>386237058
What's wrong with GTA IV and Bloodborne?

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tfw you don't even know if this is ironic shitposting or not at this point

I just finished Wolfenstein New Order. I fucking hated it. What's the appeal?

>Dishonored
>Nu-Doom
>Nu-Wolfenstein
>Skyrim
>GTA 4
>Witcher 3
>MGS 5
>Bioshock
>The Last of Us
>Yakuza 0
remove those and you've got a solid list

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>>386236896
>some games in that image doesn't have drop shadow like the rest

That concerned me more.

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I made it slightly more accurate for most of the population (outside of /v/)

>>386237261
>Dishonored
>Nu-Doom
>Nu-Wolfenstein
>Yakuza 0
>Witcher 3
>Bioshock
nothing wrong with these

>>386236896
>skyrim
it's the game that was literally designed for nu-male redditors

>>386236896
Take away Skyrim and then I will agree

>>386236896
Why exactly do people like the new wolfenstein so much? Its like the new doom, but boring

>>386236896
Doom and dishonored shouldn't be on this list. Good games, but not memorable or classic.

>>386237261
New Doom and new Wolfenstein are fun games.

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>>386236896
You forgot something

>>386237124
>if reddit likes it, it's bad
Le reddit boogeyman haha xD

>>386236896
That's a really nice list t b h

>>386236896
For me the list would be better without skyrim and TLOU, but is a pretty good list overall.

>>386236896
>Manchild wii shit
>nu-males will disagree

nice try

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>>386236896
>GTAIV
kek
bloodborne also looks like shit with that forced CA and 30fps and skyrim is barely saved by mods

I am glad to see nobody disagrees with Mario Galaxy being on that list.

>>386236896
What about new vegas? I thought its fairly popular among people, not just hardcore gaymers.

>>386237204

I also recently got W:NO and holy fucking shit the game is horrible. Sure is fun pressing E all the god damned time and the stealth sections.

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>>386237267
any better?

>>386237347
Literally this. Doom has fun gameplay, wolfenstein is literally just a totally average shooter which pauses the action every 50 seconds for brooding dialogue

>>386236896
>Dishonoured
This game actually any good?
Also why is Skyrim here, and MGS V and not MGS IV?

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>>386236896

>>386237267

Holy fuck, nice catch

>>386237492
i disagree, all mario shit is garbage.

>>386237582
i havent played dishonoured 2 yet but the first is a really good stealth game for people who hate stealth

thats actually a good thing

>Skyrim
If you wanna list an RPG, at least list a good one, like New Vegas

>>386237528
there are no forced stealth sections apart from in the dlc

>>386236896
Except for Skyrim and TLOU I'd say the list is mostly correct. I'm not sure if those two were put on there as b8, TLOU isn't really a game and Skyrim is mediocre all-round despite the commercial success.

>>386237587
>crossing out blooodborne
>leaves GTA IV in
Let me guess, PC kuk?

>>386237587
>questionable
how so?

>>386237681
>TLOU isn't really a game
But it is

Im not a fan of it because gameplay is always king for me but i can definitely understand why some people would like it

>>386237031
On that list only Skyrim is made by Bethesda

>>386236896
Where's undertale?

Add Red Dead Redemption and New Vegas, remove Skyrim and MGSV.

>>386236896
+Persona 5

>>386237756
The gameplay is atrocious, it's more like a fucking visual novel. That's why I said it wasn't really a game.

Wolfenstein was a shit game. Why do you fags like it?

How are games that came out less than a year ago "classics"?

Do you even fucking know what classic means?

>>386237796
weebshit visual novels aren't games redditor

>>386236896
Delete the following from the list:
Dishonored
DOOM
Wolfenstein
Skyrim
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Yakuza 0
No Moe Heroes
GTA IV
MGSV

>>386237845
I liked it before I played the new doom. Now i fucking hate it

>>386237874
>Deletes galaxy 2 and not 1
>deletes no more heroes
HUH

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Replace MGSV with this masterpiece

>all these underaged redditors shitting on tno while praising nu-doom

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

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>>386236896
AYO HOL UP

pic related should be considered a modern classic by any definition

i mean if it came out 15 years ago it literally would be a classic

>>386237892
Wolfenstein should have just been Doom with Nazis

>>386236896
I haven't played any of those but I'll take your word for it.

>>386237960
Wolfenstein is slow as shit with run-of-the-mill gameplay and cutscenes with some health overcharge and hipfire added to it

How the fuck can you say liking DOOM makes you a redditor but liking TNO doesnt

DOOM is almost a perfect return to form in the current year

>>386237204
>>386237261
>>386237347
>>386237528
>>386237574
>>386237845
>>386238064
nu-wolfenstein was the best game of 2014 and easily the best of the 2010s. gas yourself weebs

>>386238028
geez dude, what the fuck do you play

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HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT

>Calling people nu-male Redditors when you like nuDoom, The Last of Cucks, *Tips*borne, Skyrim, Super Mario Galaxy 1, Yakuza 0 Nuance to Any of the Combat, No More Jank, Xenoblade MMO Combat, The Bitcher 3: More Lame-ass Bam Ham Combat with Detective Vision, GTA: All the Cars are Boats, the World is Shit, and Niko is so SAD You Guys :*((((, and finally MGS: Great Controlling Character Stuck in the Worst Game of All Time

Fucking hell just go home

>>386237965
the problem with it is that although it's a pretty good game it doesn't do anything new or innovative.

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>>386238064
>responds with reddit spacing

good job

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>>386236896
Add New Vegas in the list

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>Classic game in modern times

>>386238082
Game play is shit( especially compared to Doom)
Story is shit
Cutscenes everywhere
Levels are linear

>>386238189
Why try to fix what's not broken?

>>386238191
>reddit spacing
what hyper autism is this

Put RDR on that and I agree

>>386238082
Why? It was boring in my opinion with a lame forced story. If you want a good shooter to play around that time, pick up the rise of the triad remake.

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>>386237072
>weebshit

>>386238189
do you have to do something new or innovative to be considered a classic? why meddle with something that clearly works when there arent many games of that type in the market

>>386236896
>Galaxy 1 & 2
Plenty of other great Nintendo games you could've chosen.

>>386237492
I disagree.

Only Doom, Wolfenstein, and Bioshock deserve to be there of the western games.

>ctrl+f prey
>0 results

Shouldn't /v/ be sucking this game's dick?

>>386238083
Spore with darkinjection and platinumspore
Nethack
Minecraft
Neverwinter nights 1
TF2
Dorf fort
VVVVVV
Deus Ex/GMDX
I'm clinically diagnosed with Asperger's.

>>386238339
>Plenty of other great Nintendo games you could've chosen.
I'll indulge you, what other Nintendo games could OP have chosen instead of those two?

>>386237030
After 2000 I'd guess, going off that pic.

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>>386236896
>nu-male

>>386236896
Get Doom and Wolfenstein off the list and it will be somewhat reasonable.

>>386238480
t. nu-male

>>386238527
why do you hate fps

>>386237804
>The gameplay is atrocious, it's more like a fucking visual novel. That's why I said it wasn't really a game.
Can't tell if baiting or retarded

>>386236896
Remove Last of Us and BotW.
BotW is a tech demo that completely lacks variety in assets and content and Naughty Dog's gameplay don't hold up for even the short length of their games.

>>386238579
It's the fact that I like FPS that makes me not want to see such shitty examples of the genre being held up as "classics".

>>386238420
so you like 2000s games?

>>386238252
>>386238335
Classics are remembered for years to come. I doubt Prey will be one of them.

>>386238191
>can identify what "reddit spacing" even is.
really fires my jimmy neutrons

>>386238702
List your reasons against D44M.

>>386238429
A Link Between Worlds, and, although I'm not a fan of the series, Fire Emblem Awakening is more deserving than Galaxy 2.

>>386238702
but doom 2016 is literally what an old classic fps would look like if it was made today

>>386238082
not even close. it failed on the basics what makes fps good; shooting... it was bland as hell.

>>386236896
>nu-wolfenstein
>dishonored
>bioshock
>tlou
Get that shit out of there and I agree.

>>386238815
I'd be inclined to agree with you if the debate was Galaxy 1 vs ALBW but you're delusional if you think Fire Emblem Awakening is more deserving of a spot on OP's image than Galaxy 2.

>>386238763
I had the impression that people really, really liked the new Prey unless they were autistic fans of the old one.

>>386238813
>List your reasons against D44M.
Melee executions are a travesty and completely destroy the gameplay. That should be enough.

>>386238813
>>386238819
Not him. But the biggest thing that bugged me are the runes, weapon/armor upgrades and rune challenges

>>386238813
>can tell if another guy is gay
>"lol you must be gay"

really activates the ol almond

>>386238819
Yeah I get it, you're 15 and want to look like an "expert gamer" or some shit.

>>386236896
I've not played Yakuza, MGSV or Xenoblade but I dig the rest of them apart from Skyrim (it's been BTFO by The Witcher and Zelda).

>le fugg le last of us XDXD

Spotted the obese redditors trying to fit in lads

I say replace Galaxy 2 with Demon's Souls, and maybe zelda with a Persona game. Otherwise, very good list

>>386236896
> Dishonored
man of culture.jog
> Doom 4
Stopped reading there, rest of picture discarded

>>386238908
So you never played the game then. Or if you did you played on easy or some shit. The executions make the gameplay flow perfectly, when youre low on health you have to be hyper aggressive in order to survive. Ive finished the game without using melee once and its definitely worse off without it.

>>386238980
It's still a good game in it's own right with or without mods and the go-to RPG for normals. It will be remembered for sure.

>>386238972
doom 2 is my favourite game of all time but nice try

youre just a jaded little shit

>>386238082
>W:TNO

>4 or 5 different enemies that are either paper or bullet sponge
>DUDE DUAL WIELD ASSAULT RIFLES LMAO no ammo btw
>tries to tell an emotional story about Chad "BJ" Meatwallowicz
>"shoot the glowy part" boss fight
>teases jewish magic that you never get to use

If you unironically think that game is a classic, I'm fucking embarrassed for you.

>>386238916
You can ignore all of that and the game will be more challenging as a result
I wouldnt ignore the weapon upgrades tho they are fun

>>386239169
At the time it was definitely pretty cool and it'll absolutely be remembered, but looking back it I can't help but feel a little more negative towards it by comparison.

>>386239181
The fact that you prefer Doom 2 to Doom 1 shows that your opinions are worthless.

>>386239354
the fact that you prefer ultimate doom over doom 2 shows that you have never even bothered with mods which makes your life worthless

>>386239334
Agreed. I'm hoping Bethesda takes notes for the next Elder Scrolls game.

>>386237031
There's only 1, retard.

>>386236896
How about trying to form your own opinion instead of trying to fit in some /v/ consensus you brainless sheep

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>Skyrim

I seriously can't take any list touting Dishonored as good seriously, holy fuck what a boring game

>>386239418
Should be pretty obvious in the context of this thread that we're talking about the base games, but apparently you're not smart enough to grasp that.

>>386237426
>Only AAA game this decade that you genuinely enjoy playing repeatedly
>No one cares

Well, at least we'll get mechwarrior 5 in the next decade... r-right anons?

>>386236896

OP is right actually. [/Spoiler]

>>386239531
so you think the monotonous level design, lack of enemy variety especially harder mobs and no ssg makes doom 1 a better game

neck yerself

>>386236896
I think wind waker should be on the BOTW spot, and mario galaxy 2 wasn't as good. Maybe a Fallout game?

>>386239761
>Maybe a Fallout game?
Is there any other option besides New Vegas

>>386236896
the days of 'classics' have long been gone.
I don't feel much nostalgia for the 7th gen and the 8th gen has been complete shit.

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>"Only nu-male redditors will disagree with this."
>lists games that only nu-male redditors like
Really activates those almonds

>>386236896
also where the fuck is FFCC: the crystal bearers?

>>386236896
Where is Sonic Mania?

>>386240046
>>386240053
in the bin

>>386239820
is there any option besides kys for you, obsidrone?

>>386236896

Every single one of those games is for NORMALFAGS

Except GTA IV, that one was actually good.

>>386239428
So do I. Fallout 4 was hugely disappointing.

>>386240162
Kill yourself
It will be better than all those games you posted combined

>>386240162
If liking NV over the abominations that were 3 and 4 makes me an "obsidrone" then Ill gladly be one

>>386236896
just get skyrim off of that and we are good
skyrim is shit, absolute and utter shit of a game

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>>386240179
>Every single one of those games is for NORMALFAGS
>Except GTA, The literal posterboy of normie franchises

>>386236896
remove TLOU i never understood why that game was so successful

>>386240604
had a good story for a zombie shitshow i a guess?

>tfw Mario Galaxy came out 10 years ago
Fuck has it been that long?

I'm gonna disagree with a few here

-No way GTA4 is gonna be looked on favorably 10 years down the road
-Bioshock's actual mechanics are mediocre, so I don't think it will stand the test of time
-Phantom Pain was a disappointment for many, and while mechanically it was actually quite good the second act of the game just pulled everything down
-Most will just move on to whatever new Bethesda Elder Scrolls is out and not care about the previous ones. Skyrim will go the way of Oblivion in terms of future interest

Could others I'm on the fence about (NMH isn't all that great), but those are the big ones

>>386240898

Could mention others*

>>386240898
bioshock is 10 years old and as popular as ever

just like every other game in that genre the combat is shit (prey 2017 would be an exception which btw belongs on the list) but its more than the sum of its parts. especially bioshock which has one of the most unique and original settings

>>386238916
Having literally just finished my first playthrough of D44M an hour ago.
I agree.

As soon as I started the level I just looked at what the "grinds" were and whenever an appropriate situation cropped up, i'd just die repeatedly until the grind was done so I didn't have to pay attention to it for the rest of the level. When you're juggling the level grinds with the weapon/rune grinds though, it just takes you out of the game too much.

I was a bit disappointed that there was no achievement or multiplayer unlockable for finishing on Nightmare. Was disappointed in how weak the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind were too.

>>386238908
You can fuck right off though.

>>386240898
what other games are you on the fence about? and what would you recommend in the place of those you disagreed with?

>>386241296
wait what grind? i have played the singleplayer 3 times and i dont know what you mean

>>386241360
Me and him are autists who need to unlock everything to enjoy games. He's talking about gun challenges to earn upgrades. Like kill summoner with rocket launcher, I reloaded same summoner fight several times until I unlocked that upgrade. Same with rest of them

>>386241486
oh. i completely ignored that and couldnt be happier

its not the games fault you feel like you have to unlock everything

>>386241601
Yes it is.

>GTA4
Doesn't matter that 5 is worse, 4 is still shit.
>Bioshock
Decent atmosphere wasted on a game with infinite respawns and zero challenge.
>TLoU
It's above average but does nothing unique or interesting.
>Skyrim
lol

Everything else is ok; they have their merits even if they're only good and not great. The above are shit though.

>>386241665
how

its clearly insignificant enough that you can safely ignore it while giving some players goals which makes the game more fun for them. kind of like those unlocks in TNO which i honestly didnt even know existed until i finished the game

you feeling like you have to do everything even if you dont enjoy it is a personal problem and not the games fault

>>386237162
He doesn't own a ps4

>>386241767
>Bioshock
>zero challenge

The first half of that game is quite challenging on hardest difficulty. For the rest of the game you have to impose limitations on yourself which I feel is completely legitimate way of doing things.
I don't disagree with you though the game could be more difficult.

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>>386236896
There are exactly 2 (TWO) good games in that image: Super Mario Galaxy and Yakuza 0

>>386236896
10/14

>>386241878
it is tho

>>386242481
autism is not an argument

>>386237587
>left gta in
>took bioshock 1 out

>>386241878
That's like saying "you don't have to do this side quest if you don't like it". Of course I don't but it's part of the game that I paid for. So are the gun upgrades, they change gunplay and I want to experience it.

>>386242105
>you have to impose limitations on yourself which I feel is completely legitimate
I couldn't disagree with you more. If we're talking about exploits or grinding for hours to overlevel then that's one thing. If Bioshock simply restarts you back to a previous checkpoint then there would be no issue. Instead, it respawns you just a few feet away with all of your supplies and the enemy hasn't recovered any of their health. The designers couldn't figure out how to balance the game so instead they simply made it so you technically can't die. In this way, the most brainless strategy is perfectly viable, despite giving the options for a variety of tactics. Imagine if Devil May Cry did the same thing; huge combo potential but it's cool just to mash square all day. Game is shit.

>>386242725
>you don't have to do this side quest if you don't like it

you dont though

this is your autism speaking and nothing else. vast majority of players ignore content they dont like so they can focus on the content they do like, and giving players the choice is a good thing. that is unless you have to complete every single unlock in the game or youll lose sleep which again is a personal problem, not the games fault

Put Rhythm Heaven there and i agree

>>386236896
>Skyrim
>Last of Us
>Phantom Pain

Yeah no go fuck yourself. A completely casual, braindead choice of good "games". Skyrim was barely an RPG, The Last Of Us felt more like a movie (it should have been that) and Phantom Pain, although it had great gameplay had a shit story and... oh god... that ending. A pretty shit list, but that's okay as you probably only started playing vidya.

>>386237771
>>386239431
The first four are Bethesda games, just because they weren't the main dev team doesn't mean they didn't interfere

>>386243051
But I said that gun upgrades change gameplay and I like them. But I have to complete challenges for them to unlock.

>vast majority of players
Vast majority are casuals

>>386242935
I'm someone who never experiences respawning in games where quicksave is available. I simply quickload if I die. So this is a complete non-issue for me. Self-imposed limitations still work. Not ideal, especially in bioshock where the options to limit yourself are well, limited, but you can make it work.

>>386236896
>MGSV
>Dishonored
>Yakuza 0
>NMH

Uhhh nope

>Dishonored
>Skyrim
>Last of Us
>Yakuza
>NMH
>Witcher
>GTA IV
>classics
HAAH
WAAW

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>>386237434
Well, OP literally states that if you're a redditor, you will disagree with this list. How does it feel to be a dumbass?

>>386236896
>Dishonored
maybe
>D44M
Yes
>Wolfenstein: the new order
No_
>Skyrim
Todd pls
>Dark Souls
Yes
>Bloodborne
Dark Souls is more influential but BB is acceptable
>Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
idk
>Zelda BOTW
no
>Bayonetta
yes
>The Last of Us
no
>Yakuza 0
idk
>No More Heros
idk
>Xenoblade Chronicles
idk
>The Witcher 3
No_
>Bioshock
yes
>GTA4
no
>MGS5
no

>>386243272
i would have to go back and look exactly how much the upgrades change the game and how easy it is to unlock them. if i remember correctly one of them is infinite missiles on the assault rifle which isnt exactly a big deal. i actually unlocked that without even looking what the requirements were and i doubt the rest require anything drastically different from normal gameplay either

>Vast majority are casuals
they simply arent autistic hardcore gamers such as yourself

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>classics
How low this shitty board can reach?

>>386236896
>GTA IV

>>386236896
TLOU sucks

>>386236896
The New Order is a shitty set piece riddled game that takes the main gameplay away from the player so often you'd be forgiven for thinking the developers thought it was garbage.

>>386244151
I love how every criticism to modern shooters still apply word by word to HL2.

DaS, BB, SMG, BotW, Bayo, TLoU, and TW3 are the only accurate ones.

>>386243276
>I'm someone who never experiences respawning in games where quicksave is available. I simply quickload if I die.
You're no better than people who use save states in emulated games. I'm done talking with casuals.

>>386244516
Hope being a hardcore gayman makes you feel better about your life.

>>386244243
if hl2 came out today it would be the definition of mediocre. that game is all about nostalgia

dont forget it came out at a time when games were a lot different

>>386236896
>Dishonored
>fucking ELDER SCROLLS
>Dark Souls AND Bloodborne
>Mario Galaxy 1 AND 2
>The goddamn Last of Us
>The worst Witcher: Barely an RPG anymore edition
>Bioshit
>The worst GTA
>MGS: Unfulfilled expectations edition
Kill yourself faggot.

>>386244243
Well senpai I've never actually played HL2 so I am exempt from any hypocrisy in this scenario. Can we get a shrug from the people in the audience?

>>386236896
>Dishonored
into the trash

>>386244646
Not the point. If a game is designed a certain way then you owe it to yourself and the developer to play it a certain way; otherwise you're ruining the original intent. Certain minor concessions can be taken, like language or controller preference, but save stating is taking it too far. There's a reason why Castlevania and Mega Man make you go back each time you die and it's not to waste your time. The challenge isn't in beating a particular section but in completing the whole level in a single, successful run. A lot of games take it too far, sure, but the adrenaline rush and accomplishment you feel afterwards is unparalleled. Once you've taken that away, what's left? We're reaching the point where games might as well be movies and I don't like it.

>>386244996
I don't owe shit. Fuck the developer and their intentions, I play the game the way its the most fun for me, and so does nearly everyone else. That's why developers, especially for high budget games, put gameplay choices in their games.

> We're reaching the point where games might as well be movies and I don't like it.

You're directly advocating for games to be movies because as you say you should only play it the way developers intended. The irony.

>>386236896
>BotW
>Phantom Pain not MGR
>NMH1 instead of 2
>No Dragon's Crown
>no Persona
>no Blazblue
>no Total War Warhammer
Shit list.

>>386245478
It's supposed to be a classics list, not neckbeard core.

>>386236896
Dishonored is shit.

>>386237285
>I don't own a PS4: the post
But anon, the PS4 is the most popular console right now, and only idiots bought a Switch for the new Zelda.

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yakuza 0 that good?
got a ton of old ps3 and 360 games to trade in i could get it for free right now

what can i expect?

>>386236896
Replace dishonored with dishonored 2 and doom with a Wolfenstein game. Arena level design objectively cannot be a masterpiece

>>386236896
>nu-doom
>Skyrimjob
>Breath of the Wild
>The Lsat of Us
>Memer
>GTA
>Memeshock
>Phantom Abortion
You have to go back

>>386236896
Get rid of
>Dishonored
>Skyrim
>Super Mario Galaxy 2
>Metal Gear Solid V
and I'll agree

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>>386236896
Here's the real list

>>386245556
Blazblue was the most popular fighting game last gen, eat shit.

>>386236896
>Skyrim
But really I think there's a few that are missing:
>Max Payne 3
>Witcher 1 & 2
>Warband

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>>386236896
>Dishonored
>Witcher III
>Dark Souls
>The Last of Us
>Phantom Pain
Into the fucking trash can.

>>386245284
I'm directly advocating for games to be a unique form of art, rather than homogenizing it for the lowest common denominator. If you want to keep doing things the same way across every game then fine, have fun, but you'll never experience something new or the excitement that a greater challenge gives you. If the designer, director, artist, what have you, designed something a certain way then it's likely for a good reason. You can play it a second time however way you like; there's nothing wrong with that. But playing every game by constantly abusing quicksaves and save states is a massive disservice, mainly to yourself. You are robbing yourself of one of the unique aspects of video games.

>>386245651
but senpai doom is so much more fun than tno. wolfenstein shouldve been doom with nazis none of that boring weapons, boring enemies and boring gunplay

>>386245749
Get real.

>>386245847
Get a life.

>>386245749
easily the best, but definitely not the most popular. street fighter will always be the most popular among casuals and the jewish part (aka most) of the fcg because of brand recognition and sponsorships

>>386245808
You're wrong, nudoom has almost completely absent level design. There's like 3 times in the entire game where combat encounters were designed outside of a closed off arena and the second half of the game is almost entirely those. Nuwolf has incredible weapon feedback and controls as well as great level design (by modern standards). I refuse to use a console term like gunplay because shooters don't count on consoles because they're not even games anymore at that point

>>386245749
You sure it wasn't Street FIghter 4 or Marvel vs Capcom 3? Preferences aside, it's pretty obvious that Capcom still holds a monopoly over the genre, which is a shame considering how poorly they're handling it.

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>>386236896
Get rid of Last of Us, that game is irredeemable dog shit. Yakuza, Bayonetta, Skyrim, Wolfenstein, and No More Heroes are decent games but not what I would call "classic." And it's unnecessary to have both Mario Galaxy games when 2 is better than 1 in every way. The rest are acceptable.

Also you're missing a shitload of games that actually are modern classics. Where is S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? Or Metal Gear Rising?

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>>386236896
>GTAIV

>>386245626
Exclusives can't be classics

>>386245973
doom has way better secrets than tno which alone makes your whole life invalid

>>386246031
>GTAV is better because it's newer

>>386245909
Rude.

>>386236896
Remove Mario Galaxy 2, The Last of Us, Skyrim and The Phantom Pain and we talking.

>>386245632
I watched like a 50 is episode lets play that skipped a lot of side shit and I was thoroughly entertained. Huge amount of minigames and side content, mostly a beat-em-up with multiple fighting styles and gangster drama.

>>386237582
It's one of my favorite games. You should try it.

>>386245803
>I'm directly advocating for games to be a unique
>by stating the only right way to play games is the way a developer intended

How is it even possible to indulge this level of double-think?

>>386246113
It's better because it's not as shit as IV. Nowhere as good as 3D era anyway.

>>386246113
Both are shit, the last good game Rockstar made was RDR

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>>386246054

>>386237285
Put Bloodborne, swap Super Mario Galaxy 2 with 1 and remove Bayonetta and you have the perfect entry level vidya.

>>386236896
I 100% agree with this list, my only major gripe is putting Skyrim up there instead of Oblivion or Fallout NV, and the lack of NieR or NieR Automata.

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>People crossing out games that they don't like even though that has nothing to do with the subject at hand
I mean sure, I don't like Skyrim or The Last of Us either but there's no denying that they are undeniable modern classics. There are not too many games released in the 2010s that had as big of an impact in the gaming industry and community as those two. OP's list is pretty damn accurate regardless of whether you like the games or not.

>>386246020
>Get rid of Last of Us, that game is irredeemable dog shit.
Try actually playing it

>>386238293
This

what's wrong with dishonored

>>386246198
Go ahead and play games the way you prefer to play them. You're obviously not interested in any actual discussion by taking two sentences out of context and implying the entire brunt of my argument lies there.

>>386246316
Going by that logic, Bayo, Yakuza, MGSV, NMH, BB, Dishonored, Doom and Wolfenstein have no place in that list.

>>386246069
Weak argument

>>386236896
>no KI:U

>>386246328
*Watching

>>386246316
I don't feel like influential or popular should should be all it takes to be a "classic". Half of those games are casual garbage.

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>>386243140
>criticizes a game for being too story-based
>then proceeds to criticize a game for having a bad story when the game itself was a lot of fun

>>386246470
What the fuck even is a KI:U

>>386246328
It's sitting about 20 feet away from me. I put 5 hours into it before I dropped it. Genuinely one of the worst games I've ever played.

>>386246353
It's not as good as dishonored 2

>>386246486
Epic, simply epic

>>386246497
Most classics are casual garbage you dolt, neck yourself

>>386236896
remove tlou skyrim witcher 3 and bio1

add divinity os vanquish witcher 1 and supreme commander

>>386246528
Kid Icarus uprising

>>386246308
Oblivion was completely amazing at the time but has aged poorly. I hate to say it but it's not exactly modern anymore.

>>386246316
Then what is the actual criteria of the list? Half of those games are literallywho-tier to the average gamer

>>386246546
You remind me of people who say Resident Evil 4 is a bad game.

>>386246316
Just because something is popular doesn't make it good. By that logic, is McDonalds the best american meal you can buy?

>>386246645
Nope, I like RE4. TLOU is just garbage in every single aspect.

>>386236896
i'd personally put XCOM: EU in there as well but I can understand that the appeal of that isn't as wide as say, GTAIV or BotW

>>386236896
Remove galaxy 1

>>386246558
So it's the Kingdom Hearts situation? The first game is way more clunky than its sequels. KH1 and Chain of Memories are fucking dogshit in comparison to KH2 and Birth by Sleep. The combat is just so much better in the later games

>>386246645
most people who say that don't actually dislike the game they just get annoyed by the fanbois witch are san andreas tier in your face annoying

REmake will always be GOAT by the way

Wolfenstein is trash
Skyrim is trash
The Last of Us is trash
Xenoblade Chronicles is trash
The Witcher 3 is trash
GTAIV is trash

Most of you are subhuman mongrels. Get it together.

>>386246763
no
yes
yes
no
yes
no

>>386246763
wolf, tlou, witcher 3, skyrim are mediocre

gtaiv, xeno, skyrim with mods are great

>>386246395
I will, and I'm going to have fun while you screech about player choice and insist there's only one correct way to play.

>>386236896
>Blockbusters are modern classics
Must be why Armageddon is on Criterion

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>last of us
Shit game only loved by "cinematic" babies. Of fucking course redditor babies would like it and Skyrim too.

>>386246442
just like ur mum

>>386236896
I mean i don't really like Skyrim, but you are 100% right, it has became aclassic

>>386246878
>if it isn't indie it's triple a corporate trash and they're all out for your money
People like you are the fucking worst.

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>>386236896
Here's my take. I dislike Skyrim but I cannot deny its influence. Same for Bioshock. TLoU is a mixed bag for me since I genuinely enjoyed its story but must acknowledge the cancer of cinematic games being considered the greatest games ever simply because they give critics the ideal, tailor made experience on their first playthrough. They don't have to think about the game beyond what they see.

I picked Galaxy 1 over Galaxy 2, even though the latter is far and away the better game. Reason being that at the time Mario was kind of seen as having fallen off the wagon. Sunshine was under appreciated, the spin offs were reaching critical mass, and the Wii was looking to be a huge hit without Mario's help. I remember there were a ton of people who actually counted him out, only for Mario to show up and remind everyone why he's the motherfucking OG.

MGSV is a very wonky inclusion for me. However it's freedom of how to tackle conflicts was a precursor to Breath of Wild's freedom in how to move about the world. I think it deserves to be acknowledged for that.

Lastly I just think Dark Souls, Doom, Bloodborne, and Bayonetta are really fucking good, mate. You should play them

>>386246527
There's a clear balance that has to be made. You can't have a game be as cinematic as TLOU, where you're sacrificing actual gameplay, but the MGSV on the other side is such an underwheling experience and its comprised of wasted potential story wise. I never ripped on TLOU for having a good story, I commend it for it. I absolutely hate it as a game though since there's little to no actual fun gameplay. As I've said, you need balance.

>>386245626
There are only a couple of games I'm interested in for the PS4, not buying an entire console for that. I already have a fairly decent library for the Switch.

Just because it's the most popular is not a good enough reason to buy it.

>>386246410
I don't think you know how logic works. Just because Skyrim and The Last of Us are among the biggest giants of the decade doesn't mean that anything less influential shouldn't make it into the list, and nowhere in my post was I implying anything like this. There any many ways of being classic, whether it's being a mainstream classic, a cult classic or something in between. All of the games in the OP picture have a reason for being there in my opinion.

>>386246653
We're not talking about how good something is, and being a classic doesn't mean the best. If someone says that The Beatles is a classic band, do you respond with "OH, SO YOU THINK THE BEATLES IS THE BEST BRITISH BAND YOU CAN LISTEN TO?!?!" What kind of a shitty ass logic is that?

>>386236896
The new Wolfeinstein games are not good. People need to stop even the one last gen was better.

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>>386236896
>dishonored
didn't care for it but i understand people really like it
>doom
yep
>wolfenstein
yep
>skyrim
like it or not it's one of the biggest games of all time
>darks souls
yep
>bloodborn
it's the same game as dark souls. no point calling it a "modern classic"
>mario galaxy 1&2
would keep it to just the first one(it made a bigger mark)
>zelda
yep
>bayo
yep
>tlou
didn't care for it but whatever. would change to uncharted 2
>yakuza 0
is it really that much better than any yakuza game?
>nmh
i love suda but sadly no
>xeno
nah
>witcher 3
yup
>bioshock
ehh. i guess?
>gta iv
lol. change to RDR since it's an actual classic
>mgs 5
HAHAHA no. change to mass effect 1

>>386246734
>remove the better game in the series

>>386247101
Terrible opinion. Wolf09 deserves all the shit it got.

>>386246983
>skyrim
>a classic
No it fucking hasn't. It's still the freshest in everybodies mind and that's why all the younger gamers remember it fondly. It's the only Elder Scrolls they've ever played or their very first. It's easily the most bland. Just wait till a new Elder Scrolls game (if that ever happens) and they'll fucking drop Skyrim.

>>386247105
>bioshock
ehh. i guess?
What the fuck do you mean? Were you not around when it launched? Made a bigger mark than any game on OP's image and is the only true modern classic so far.

>>386247010
I disagree with removing dishonored. I think its already on its way to have similar influence bioshock had

>>386247098
None of the games listed were influential.

>>386247280
but it's so fuckin boring

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>No Halo 3
>No Call of Duty 4
These 2 games LITERALLY created the modern FPS market. That's a horrible crime in my eyes, but to deny their dominating influence as classics is retarded.

>>386247280
i've played system shock 2 when it released so biosock didn't wow me

>>386236896
Remove all of the nintentoddler one's and this will be a good list

>>386240053
It isn't come out yet. Can you wait until game is FUCING REALISED?

>>386236896
I know you virgins will disagree but overwatch has had huge influence and its barely several years old. If theres any game deserving the title "modern classic" thats it

And I fucking hate that game

>>386247512
isn't it already bleeding players?

>>386247512
>popular = classic
I want reddit to leave

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>>386247105
>change to ME1
while I love ME1 more than any other bioware game, ME2 had a far bigger cultural impact that only ended because of the huge disappointment of ME3's ending

>>386236896
>MGSV
>Doom
>TW3
>>The last of us
>Skyrim
>GTA 4
>BB
Nope only numales will like this

>>386247560
I have no idea to be honest I dont know if theres any reliable way to check player count in blizzard games

>>386247349

>halo 3, not 2

Your newfag is showing

>>386237528
The bullet sponge enemies got super tiring about halfway through the game. And the unironic Jew magic plotline was stupid.

>>386236896
Your list is legitimately good.
I don't agree on GTA4 or Skyrim, but otherwise
>DOOM
>DaS
>SMG1+2
>Bayonetta
>BOTW
>Xenoblade
top tier taste my lad

>>386236896
>a mere decent hack and slash is now considered a classic
the sad state of video games

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>>386247604
>there will never be a spin off mass effect game where you just go around the galaxy operationally operating as a spectre with garrus/zaeed/wrex without bullshit big evil enemies or otherwise impending doom or main storyline urgency
>zaeed VA isn't with us anymore anyway, RIP

>>386247512
>Not even three years old
>already losing players
>a classic
Yeah no

>>386247512
>has had huge influence
Literally what does this even mean?
How can a game which blatantly rips off other games have "huge influence?"

>>386246268
Mario Galaxy 2 is Galaxy 1 but better

>>386236896

Solid list op, I agree with most, the only ones I would be on the fence about would be wolfenstein and dishonored.

They were good games, just not something that was above and beyond, really.

>>386236896
>nu-doom
>Skyrim
>Dark Souls
>Witcher 3
>MGSV
Forget the rest.

>>386247941
neither was witcher or skyrim tbqh

>>386236896
I don't disagree with most of there but you've left out so much good stuff that it suggests you're a casual who won't play anything that isn't super popular and with a marketing budget in the hundreds of thousands.

>>386236896
Pretty solid but one of them needs to be subbed out for Red Dead Redemption. The weakest choices you've made are Wolfenstein, Bayo, No More Heroes, and Skyrim. So one of those gotta go to make room for RDR.

>>386238214
That's a huge oversight.

>>386247941
They were though; dishonored for level design and wolf for controls, weapons, and level design

>>386247306
Really? That interesting. Admittedly I haven't followed much in the way of discussion surrounding it.

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Would you consider Amnesia The Dark Descent to be a modern classic?

>>386237959
I liked this, but the original Ace Attorney trilogy was way better. I suppose they aren't modern at this point though.

>>386248153
half of wolf was ruined because muh stealth sections muh walking simulator sections. and it's a fucking shame because it has some of the best gunplay in history

I hope they don't make the same mistake for the next one and just give us bigger levels and more enemies to shoot

>>386240898
I already hate GTA IV. Even when it was new I could see it was being massively overrated. The way everything handles is weird and floaty, the characters are unlikable, there's too much bloat, and it doesn't have an attractive visual style. Plus the whole game world is just depressing. GTAV has its flaws but I found it to be a much more enjoyable experience overall.

I also agree with you on Bioshock. It's just too clunky from a gameplay perspective. It has many fans though so I think it may be loved even in another 10 years. Infinite is destined for the ash heap of history though.

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>>386248296
They won't, you could always pirate it if you're wary

The Last of Us is fucking horrible. Played through it and traded it in the next day. Should have cost like 20 bucks.

>>386248474
nah m8 I still enjoyed both new order and old blood just saying they could have been much better. fucking excited for the new one too

I think wolfenstein is one series I always enjoy no matter what, even the mediocre 2009 release was fun to play

>>386236896
lmao, I like how they put xbox covers of multiplat games just to save face

>>386248540
Shh. The hivemind is going to call you contrarian.
It's a fucking repetitive brick-throwing simulator with AI worse than a fucking PS2 game.

>>386246316
I like TLoU but what impact did it have? It came out, people jizzed thier pants over it and then forgot about it half a year later. I can't think of any influence it had on gaming other than causing a minor surge in daughter simulators.

>>386248474
Why did BJ kill that alligator? Was it a Nazi?

>>386247729
Anything older than 07 can't be considered modern. 07 is where the line is drawn between two eras. I argue we are still in its era and we have not transitioned to one after the one 07 created. Specifically late 07 which gave us Bioshock, Metroid Prime 3, Orange Box, Halo 3, Mass Effect, CoD 4, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Rock Band, and Mario Galaxy. That's an insane amount of games that left a huge impact on the state we're in now.

>>386248657
meh, witcher 3 should be replaced with the XBOX version of RDR or halo 3 anyway

>>386248657
bioshock, bayonetta and skyrim have shit ps3 ports and run better on the 360. admittedly dark souls is better on the ps3. what's your point exactly?

>>386247729
Halo 2 didn't bring PC gaming tier seamlessness to console multiplayer like Halo 3 did

>>386236896
how do you define a modern classic? game that has a huge following, influential game, both, or something else?

>>386236896
>yakuza 0

Nier and Persona 5 will be more relevant years from now

>>386248876
something I like a lot

>>386246410
The waves Doom made are still being felt. People want fast FPS games back where moving around the arena actually matters in the campaign. They're tired of sitting across the map safely popping in and out of cover throwing hitscan shots into bullet sponges.

>>386236896
> Bayonetta
> Skyrim
> The last of us
> GTA 4
> No more heroes
> Yakuza
remove them and it's fine

>>386236896
So what's the criteria for being considered a classic, is it simply being remembered years from now, or having a massive influence in pop culture and the gaming industry

Also
>calls people nu-male redditors
>posts TLoU, Skyrim, Witcher 3, and Bioshock, which is quintessential reddit core

>>386236896
Where is Red Dead? It's one of the best storys ever and crazy gameplay possibilitys with NPCs

>>386249270
Both. You can be contrarian all you want but those games you listed will still be talked about for years to come. TLoU especially considering a sequel is on the way.

>>386236896
>>386236896
I can't disagree with that but I do think it's a damn shame.

>>386236896
This is some quality level bait. Actually made me feel a bit sick. Jesus christ Skyrim and classic in same sentence, just fucking stop.

>>386249408
Then why is Yakuza, XBC, nuDOOM, and Galaxy 1+2 on the list? They're great games, but they're not very influential or popular compared to other games, nor does anything on the market really plays like them or borrows mechanics. Halo, Minecraft, CoD4, LoL and Mass Effect are far more influential and popular, if you're going by that

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>>386246316
You are retarded. Okay, let's look at the actual definition. Let's accept the ambiguity in "period of time" to mean the last decade or so.
Dishonored a shit. Shit story with half-assed overhyped mechanics that didn't deliver. Didn't implement pacifist properly, insofar that it had literally zero impact. Dude Sex was way better in this regard.
Skyrim a shit. Even though I actually enjoyed the game, it's still just downright asinine to claim it's a step up from Oblivion or even fucking Morrowind. Once again, how can it be a classic when it's literally indistinguishable from other games in its genre?
TLOU is just lol. Seriously. The game had worse AI than fucking MGS2, a game which came out more than a decade prior. The settings are cash-grab uninspired post-apocalyptic. The same shit we've seen over and over again since about 2003. Crafting system? Literally in every game. So what makes it "outstanding of its kind?"

tl;dr You're fucking dumb.

>>386249408
Really? Because I actually haven't heard anyone on the internet or real life talk about TLOU since about 3 months after release.
What fucking shills do you hang out with?

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>>386246328
>playing it
Here, have a (You).

>>386236896
Remove
Skyrim and MGS:V and I agree :D

>>386236896
some of them are not bad, maybe. also "modern classic" is an oxymoron. video games went downhill in quality after ps2 gen

>>386243415
Give BB more time, I feel it will be as influential if not more.

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>>386236896
No spicy bois... what did OP mean by this?

>>386236896
Take out Dark Souls.
Literally shit in every way compared to BB aside from world interconnection and that's it.

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>>386240179
>Except GTA IV, that one was actually good.

>>386247000
stop mobileposting

>>386250071
I agree entirely with you but-
>Dude Sex was way better in this regard
I don't think Human Revolution handled pacifism well at all. Pacifism versus violence should be a choice with pros and cons on both ends. In Human Revolution, stealth and non-lethal knockouts are both easier, more effective, and rewards the player with more XP than violence. It's probably slower but that's literally it. Pacifism wasn't a choice in HR, it was the only right answer; any other playstyle actively hinders the player. A game that did pacifism vs violence, or stealth vs overt, far more effectively was Alpha Protocol but too bad that game was such a broken fucking piece of shit.

Anyway, I haven't played the other Deus Ex games. I often hear the first one is excellent.

>>386243172
Just because they were published by bethesda doesn't make them bad games

>>386247000
It's not a 1:1 rule but it is mostly true, far more so than the exception.

>>386236896
>Skyrim
>The Witcher III
>BioShock

>>386247971
Also BB.

>>386237261
>Bioshock
Just fucking neck yourself my guy

>>386237475
>it's another post where we pretend the PS4 can't handle Bloodborne
>it's not a classic because it looks bad

Nice baby reaction image try more

>>386237261
put yakuza back on and I agree

>GTA 4
>Skyrim
You have to go back

>>386253646
>>it's another post where we pretend the PS4 can't handle Bloodborne
It can't though.

>>386237475
BB looking and running like shit still somehow doesn't stop it from being the best souls game by miles and a front runner for gotg..

>>386236896
>skyrim
The nu-male redditors were calling from inside the house all along

>>386237587
>NMH
>Questionable

>>386237587
>nu-wolf and bu-doom left in.
kek absolutely garbage taste.

>>386236896
>GTA 4 instead of GTA 5
you blew it