What went wrong?

They became more business than artist

Portal 2 Robot Enrichment

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nothing

>>386186451
This valve isn't fucking connected to anything mike

You are a fucking garbage plumber

they ran out of steam

monopoly

At some point they were making so much money from Steam that they decided it was no longer worth the effort to continue to make games

>>386187317
This.

Also they are right which is a shame, the store is well on its way to being so automated that they don't even need to do any work there as well.

>>386186451
Hats.

TF2's cosmetics caused an avalanche effect in which Valve realized that they didn't actually need to even make anything anymore to make money.

You people that said "LuL iT's JuSt CoSmEtIcS" ruined Valve for the rest of us.

>based gabe gives his employees eternal job security and freedom to work on whatever they want to reward their contribution to making Valve the gaming giant that it is
>employees abuse Gabe's goodwill by being lazy sacks of shits and accomplishing nothing
>Gabe looks bad because everyone thinks of the figurehead when they think of Valve
Gabe didn't deserve this.

Things are hard if you can't count up to three. And that valve needs to be attached to a nigga.

I wouldn't even want them to attempt making a new game at all anymore. I don't want to know what kind of travesty Episode 3 would be if they did.

>>386186451

Literally hats

>Stop optimising the TF2 engine
>Stop quality controlling fanmade weapons, balance flies out the window
>Stop balancing the game altogether to focus on hats and microtransactions
>Do the same thing to counter strike
>Make a whole new fucking game based around the hat economy after seeing LoL raking in the autism bucks
>Realise that between Steam and your three hat simulators you never have to make a real game ever again

>>386186451
cosmetics

Their company always had a strange structure in the "nobody is your boss" sort of way. As they became more and more successful beyond just accolades and getting huge financial returns, they needed a more tangible system to figure out how everyone contributes. In their current state, making or saving money is the most important metric you can have as an employee and that isn't going to produce quality content nor is it going to promote the creativity they had initially. A man got fired from Valve for inviting workshop artists to the International. The reason: It made money for the artists and not for Valve. Even if you don't like cash shop shit, which is a whole different subject with Valve, this environment results in an extremely hostile community where people only become friends as a political end to gain more votes. It's kind of like watching a miniature ecosystem of communism.

>>386186451
They have a horrible habit of investing in something new and then never bothering to update it to make it actually worthwhile. How many people even remember that Steam has native streaming and a music player? Or fuck what about Steam OS?

>>386186451
a voluntary development platform that divided focus

>>386186451
They stopped making real games.

they got so good at making money that they no longer have any incentive to actually work on anything

>>386187704
>employees abuse Gabe's goodwill by being lazy sacks of shits and accomplishing nothing
I've heard from someone who left walve a few years ago that this total freedom was a burden for him because as an artist once said "freedom is the worst when your lost" he claimed that he participated in severals project that never came to fruition because no-one knew what to to do with the concepts. and the lack of management (there is a sign at valve that jokingly tell to employees to report to security any manager they could stumble upon in their workplace) meant that there was zero incentive to push a project further. plus the creative process in himself is a mess with no direction where each employee can start a project by himself and potentialy gather aditional workforce if the project is apealing to others but it rarely go further than a mere proof of concept before everybody get bored and move on to design new hats and ugly skins for CS:GO weapons

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there's no incentive to work on any other game when they have 2 games covered in esport garbage that people will gladly lick up

also they still make bank off of tf2's retarded economy

You would think now that they have money beyond their wildest dreams from Steam, they would experiment and start making some game with cool new ideas.

Or at least make a new Source engine.

>>386187704
>>386188848
I'd never really known how Valve was run until this, this is just depressing to read.

They found out that there is more money in being a platform for games than making games.

>>386189028

Well, according to some of the posts in this thread they start making lots of games with cool new ideas.

And then they get bored and go masturbate.

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>>386186847

They probably gave up on their audience after that retarded L4D2 boycott. Remember when people would complain about them releasing games too quickly?

>>386189028
Why would they experiment when they can just keep doing what they're doing and still make bank? Path of least resistance. They have no incentive to take risks.

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>>386186451
Their employees got older and lost the spirit to actually take risks and finish games.

It's complicated how many things went wrong but to me the biggest misstep was losing the potential Valve South branch. Left4Dead was made by turtle rock and afterwards Valve was going to turn them into the Southern branch. They didn't like the idea and so they offered jobs to everyone there and continued on. Turtle Rock made a bunch of cell phone games in their garage and finally made Evolve which had major issues but the fact of the matter is Valve needed some other branch in order to make sure they continued to produce more new content and not just keep managing Steam.

>>386186551
This. Valve just doesn't make the games they used too.

>>386190468
They don't make games at all

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>>386186847

>>386186451
Same thing as always- normie money trumped substance and quality.

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>>386186551
FPBP
They've figured out that they can just coast along selling cosmetics and not have to make anything new

>>386188995
that comic hurts so much now that I fully understand it

>>386186451
It needs WD40

Valve just stopped making games.

>>386186451
They made so much bank off Steam alone they didn't need any games to promote the service anymore. Dota 2 and CS:GO alone rake in enough players and money, more than any other game on the service.

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>>386188082
They learned how to create money out of thin air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmnqsdeHFT0

They just released a new game though

>>386186451
its not attached to anything so theres nothing to turn on or off

>>386187526
/thread

They gave us one of the greatest advancements in consumer entertainment devices to date with open source support.

Good games were sacrificed in the process.

>>386192403
At least it makes Blizzard mad

>>386186451
They get 30% of the money off of every game sold on steam they don't need to make games.

>>386192403
it hurts :(

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>>386186451
They evolved from being a game developed into being full fledged jews.

>>386192672
*developer

>>386192672
the question is: is this their final form? or will they go further beyond?

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Will Valve ever make a new game ever again? I mean, they could at least make a left 4 dead 3 since there's probably lots of ways to make cosmetic items for that.

>>386186451
They stopped being a game company

>>386188646
how old are gaben's kids anyway?

>>386192553
>WoodyHarrelsoncryingwithmoney.gif

>>386192757
greedy < jew < Illuminati < lizard

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No real competitors.

>>386192843
Why bother putting in all that effort when you can just as well fap in your office and design shitty microtransaction cosmetics and never lose your job?

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>>386188995
>this comic was created in 2008

>>386186551
>implying
he fucking left microsoft because he saw a business opportunity. it was NEVER an artistic vision

>>386186451
Nothing, they were never right to begin with.

The only games they've ever made themselves is the Half Life series, and they didn't even make the best one: Opposing Force. Randy FUCKING Pitchford was behind that one and it still turned out better than the original.

Everything else in their roster are just Half Life mods that they bought out so they could make money selling as a "full game", or free games like Narbacular Drop that they threw money at so they could give it a new coat of paint and say it's theirs.

>>386193354
It can be both.

>>386188082
>fanmade weapons
Players have never once decided what a weapon they model can actually, aside from maybe the base jumper.

>>386194008
and it wasnt.

>>386194170
almost all weapons are fan made. they pay them about 10% for each transaction/crate that contains them and valve takes the rest. theyve paid like 57 million to creators, so imagine how much valve has made themselves. this is literally why they dont do anything else

>>386186451
they got to "it prints money" status

They stopped making games.

>>386187526
>>386188082
>>386188995
>>386195232
Thats just a drop in the bucket compared to what they make off of other games, for example pubg sold 5 million copies, they get $10 for each of that, thats 50 million dollars for a game they didn't even make, now add in all of the successful games on steam and they have made billions from that, that is where the majority of their money is from and the real reason why they don't need to make games anymore.

They became a retailer.

>>386195917
dude if they PAID out 57 million, then they made 570 million off hats. but yeah

Faulty valves need replacing, can lead to all sorts of problems, leaky pipes, gas filling the wrong room, the list goes on. I would recommend shutting it down and replacing it

>>386196496
>gas filling the wrong room
>there are rooms that are correct to fill gas with
>>>/pol/

They found the new casino market, in terms of "for minimal operating costs people come in, empty their wallets, and scuttle off". Same as Blizzard and Rockstar.
I can't really fault them for focusing on cosmetics and no-longer making games, because it actually makes perfect business sense, but our righteous anger is justified as they hoard beloved IP while being unable to count to 3.

>>386196043
And valve has made billions off of steam, the posts I was replying too were saying that hats were the primary reason when they were more of a secondary one..

They never made a good game to begin with. No loss.

they have literal tons of billions from doing jack shit and could care less if some neckbeards want sequels

VALVE IS NEVER GONNA MAKE ANY NEW GAMES EVER AGAIN STOP USING STEAM YOU STUPID BASTARDS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS

>>386197842
STOP USING STEAM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>386197916
NO USE GOOD OLD GAMES WHO ALSO REQUIRE A CLIENT TO PLAY ONLINE GAMES NOW AND IS DRM IN ITS OWN RIGHT REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>386197972
I DONT LIKE THING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

VALVIE WALVIE?!?!?!

Is valve lazy or something? Would it actually be bad business to start making new games? I'm struggling to think of how they all interact in the studio and what all their departments actually spend their day doing now.

>>386186451
SJW agenda as usual

>>386188848
Jesus, RIP. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

>>386186451
It got closed too tightly which broke the washer and subsequently led to the basement being flooded.

>>386188848
I fucking hate this. The worst part is it's actually extremely profitable.

>>386196707
Lol

>>386188374
>miniature ecosystem of communism.
You just explained modern capitalism. It's literally a form of the fake communism that was practiced in the 50s.

>>386186451

They figured out it was more profitable to have people give you money to play other people games than it is to make your own.

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>>386186451
A lot of things went wrong. Zero real competition, for example, really hurts. A giant swath of loyal fans that believe they can do no wrong really hurts.

One problem nobody here has touched on however, is the steam workshop. While people love the steam workshop, Valve has tens of thousands of finished models provided to them for free and they don't have to give the creator any money in return for it unless they actually use it. With that in mind, why would Valve ever make a model again?

Basically everything about valve just gives no incentive to actually do anything. Peoples freedom to work on whatever they want, regardless of if it even gets finished or not, provides no incentive to do anything. You just get a few people, throw ideas around, and nothing gets done.

Valve doesn't have to finish anything.
Valve doesn't have to start anything.
Valve doesn't have to model anything.

And because they keep making money, Valve doesn't have to change this. The only way Valve will change is if they have to, and their fanbase will make sure they never will.

>>386195917
Also trading cards and shit like that.
You sell a card for 3 cents. Valve gets one cent, the devs get 1 cent, and you get the other cent.
Hundreds of thousands of cards are bought and sold every day.
That's a shit ton of revenue for doing basically nothing.

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They were too successful for their own good
I need to dig out the article but last year gaben and some others were interviewed about valve and why hl3 will never happen
>valve has very little managerial oversight so the creators can go wild with whatever they want to make
>if some guys get together behind a project and it gets enough steam, then it gets full on production and a release
>steam makes enough money on its own that valve doesn't need to actully make games
>no real motivation to create anything substantial
>hl3 was started and canceled dozens of times, they gave up trying to make it

>>386186451
>we make way more money selling other peoples games than we do making our own!

>>386199605
hold the fucking phone
they tried to implement paid mods and we all saw that shitstorm
unless valve directly paid the modders there would be no way to make that work, however i like that idea

also its true valve have not made anything inhouse recently, unless we see these VR titles they promised any time

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They should release the next Half-Life as just a 4 panel comic for some semblance of closure if they can't so much as shit out a game after a decade

IT HURTS
IT HURTS SO FUCKING MUCH

>>386186451
that valve doesn't go to anything

I hate Steam so goddamn much.

>>386201448
Whatever Blizzcuck.

>>386201523
t. ((()))

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https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mann-Conomy_Update

This update was the beginning of Valves downward spiral. And also when the gaming industry started becoming garbage.

Lootboxes and microtransactions killed video games.

>>386198370
good intentions my ass. gabe ran valve like that when they bet the whole company on hl1. now they don't even have to bet, they just meander through some malaise of trash company culture that did the right thing at the right time.
modern companies that do this are supposed to realize it and fund startups, or find new blood to invigorate.