Sonic 2

SAWNICK ADVENTA TOOOOOOOOOO

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Sonic Heroes

>>386158826
he can really move 2

>>386159041
>because we're Sonic Heroes™
Really SEGA?

CD is complete shit and if you like it, you probably like sucking cocks.

>>386159794
Just admit you're bad at sonic in general buddy. I guarantee people that like CD are better players in general.

>>386159041
This could've been a dope as fuck game if it weren't a gimmicky mess. Sonic Classic Heroes shows the formula isn't a bad idea

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>>386159986
Who says I don't play it? I did two complete runs yesterday and also lowered my overall time in time attack to 19 1/2 minutes just this morning. It's still the worst game in the series.

>>386160210
What's gimmicky about it?

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>>386159041
You mean SA3?

>>386160603
>The Flight totem
>Forcing you to swap between team members instead of giving you the option
>Instead of trying to balance Speed and Power with level design, make enemies with healthbars to "justify" Power characters

If it were basically SA1/2 Sonic, Tails and Knuckes on foot and being able to use their abilities to explore the levels instead of being mostly linear walkways in the sky it would've at least felt more like Sonic. The other teams are padding disguised as "difficulty" except Chaotix

Sonic Classic Heroes just gives you the ability to play as Sonic, Tails or Knuckles with no gimmicks to the level design or their movesets. It's a fun alternative to Sonic 1 or 2

>>386159041
Espio is unironically my favorite Sonic character. He deserves his own game.

>>386161579
He did get one. They just made Knuckles the star instead so it would sell.

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REMINDER

LITTLE PLANET IS STILL HALF MECHANIZED

will they ever finish this Arc? or is it just not Canon at this point? or does mania take place after 4 and mania will fix this shit fest of a game?

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>>386161652
>he did get his own game
>they just made it not his game

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Who would you try and make playable in Mania and how?

I'd give Rosy the Sonic 3 insta shield and its intended ability to reflect stuff. Maybe make her jumps a little floatier to make platforming easier.

>>386162097
It's just not canon anymore

This ending was made because they were banking on Episode II being successful enough to spawn Episode III and even a Sonic fucking 5 but since everyone hated it they just dropped the series altogether

A pathetic end to a pathetic cash grab

>>386162125
At least he showed up in Sonic the Fighters

>>386161579
Espio is edgier than Shadow sometimes. I don't really know what to make of him.

>>386159794
Pretty much. Absolutely didn't deserve to be remade before 3&K.

>>386162580
Go help Sega deal with their legal issues you autistic twit

>>386162580
It was released before 3K

>>386160361
You prefer Sonic 1 over it?

>>386159041
WHAT COMES UP MUST COME DOWN

>>386162274
I guess she could have the ability to store previous shields with her tarot cards and choose when to pop one or change on the fly when the situation is needed - she's kinda of a hard character to find a staple quirk for, I like the insta shield idea.

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why no ads for mania? do that want this game to fail?

>>386163390
YET MY FEET DON'T TOUCH THE GROUND

>>386163564
To have an excuse to say the "fans" like forces better. Combined with the inevitable critic panning from the "sonic was never good" crowd you can expect this to be the last classic sonic game.

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>>386164491

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>>386164585

>>386159419
>One of the few times it actually happens

Laughed my ass off tbhfam

>>386163029
Honestly, it's equal. Sonic 1 gets a bad rep because autists don't know how to take it slow when necessary. If Sonic CD had better bosses, I'd probably rank it above 1.

>>386164089
SEE THE WORLD SPINNING UPSIDE DOWN

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>>386164669

>>386164807
LIKE A LASERBEAM MY EYES ON YOU

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>>386164817

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>>386164920

>10 days till time ti fire up them torrents

its going to be great just hope sega doesnt jew out and pull dunevo out of their asses

Mania's special stages look pretty cool.

BUT

If they're gonna have special stages that look like they're straight out of sonic R, is it gonna have faaaaabulous music to go with them?

>want to try out Sonic 1 android remake
>start a new save file
>Sonic 1 app has stopped working

How to fix this fucking shit?

>>386165242
Nigger it's 18 bucks. Are you THAT poor?

>>386165242
don't pirate Anon. I'll buy the game for you.

>>386165272

have you tried google?

>>386165259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcblxrrE0Q

yes

>>386165337
do you see a demo on the steam page? do you really think im going to just pony up for something i have no assurance will be good or even acceptable

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>>386165259
the music's already been revealed look up dimension heist.

>>386165486
The CD and Sonic 2 remakes are your assurance, faggot. Pirates who try before they buy don't exist, you have no incentive to buy when the game is on your hard drive and available to you.

>>386164896
WATCH ME, RULE THE NIGHT AWAY

>>386160905
Nice meme, but Sonic 06 really "was" meant to be Adventure 3. It had all the formulae from 1 and 2. Multiple characters, multiple stories, a new story at the end when you're done.

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>>386165486
that's 3 big Mac combos Anon. just drop one of those 3 a day and you'll be on your way to mania greatness.

>>386165631
This.

If you liked classic sonic, ths game will do the job.

And its made by a team of master classic sonic autists who have remade the originals like no other game has been made before.

The game is on preorder sale right now, its a fucking steal!

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>>386158826
hmmm

http://imgur.com/a/ZBx6N

>>386165707
WATCH ME SAVE THE DAY

>>386165365
I don't feel the sunshine in this one, but when you're living in the city I guess you've got to survive.

>>386165631
well other then assuring i can download it again 20 years down the line right? torrents dont last ver long anymore i have bought plenty of games i have pirated hollow knight was just one example and i will by the surge as soon as i can cause its the first souls like i dont feel like ill be terrible at i might be the only one but i realy do buy games i like simply because its easier to go to steam and hit download than serching for a decently seeded torrent all the time i bought doom 1 and 2 just so the wads will be easy to grab

>>386164491
Shit draw distance
Why are people excited for this?

>>386165486
>What are Steam refunds?

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>>386165759
>Nice meme
>proceeds to post another meme

>>386166102
>implying you can always know you will like a game by the two hour mark

>>386164585
>hit mach 3
>the spheres start going apeshit
WHAT HAPPENS AT MACH 4

>>386166045
Whats wrong with it?

>>386166310
>implying you can't know a fucking 2d sonic game by the two hour mark

>>386165353
Fuck you, not even fucking Google can help me.

And my fucking smartphone could run Sonic Dash.

>>386166589
why are you even this upset? chances are i will buy the game before even getting to the second level

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>>386166883
>chances are i will buy the game before even getting to the second level
>But I'm gonna torrent it first lol

>>386166380
You go apeshit.

>>386166707

RIP

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Reminder you get Medallions from the Blue Sphere Bonus Stages:
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/08/03/watch-sonic-manias-bonus-stages-special-stages-time-attack-new-trailer/

Reminder there will only be Blue Spheres for the Bonus Stages:
https://youtu.be/q23cNxnnaPw?t=2736 (45:36)

And reminder we might be getting 1 more song next week:
https://youtu.be/q23cNxnnaPw?t=737 (12:17)

>>386166883
because you're writing retarded shit like ">implying you can always know you will like a game by the two hour mark" about a single button platformer

>>386167073
Well it isn't a terrible idea to avoid steam DRM.

>>386158826
how will japs ever cope with knowing that gaijins can make better sonic games than them?

>>386167213
actually if possible i will buy it on GOG anyway

>>386167224
oh sonikku mania seru bad no moru 2d gemu :)

>>386167224
By not giving it a physical and not marketing the game so they can later go "oh, rooks rike 2D Sonic games don't sell well".

>>386167524
Die fok het jy net gesê?

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Sonic Twitter just reached 3 million.

I wonder if they'll just get another cake.

>>386163441
I picked Rosy mostly because her hammer (if she could have one) works well as an excuse to bring the insta shield back.

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>>386167674
most of those look bought desu.

>>386167819
Hoe kan jy 'n gekoopte volger van 'n wettige volger vertel?

Consider this.

>Sonic 4 takes place in Sonic CD's bad ending time line, with it starting after the events of Sonic 3 and Knuckles and before the events of Sonic Adventure.

>Sonic Mania takes place in Sonic CD's good ending timeline, with Sonic Mania taking place after Sonic 3 and Knuckles and before Nack the Weasel coukd jack Sonic up with weird ass Chaos Emerald meth.

>>386168380
Then why is Stardust Speedway in the past?

>>386162097
>Sonic 4
>cannon
lol

>>386167819
I don't know why the sonic twitter would need to pad out their follows with bots.
It's not like they don't have enough real people to get a respectable number.

>>386168315
amount of followers and their twitter account names.

>https://twitter.com/drrfjnagztbl271

1 example.

>>386168531
I think Robotnik's plan in Sonic Mania has to do with time travel of some sort. It would explain why they go back to previous zones, and why they go back to Flying Battery when that would have been shut down.

>>386168380
Consider this.

>Sonic 4 takes place in the didn't happen timeline

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Am I the only one that doesn't like the sprites leaning more towards 1, CD's and 2's? I like the 32x color and animation quality, it's just I really liked 3's sprites the most.

>>386168854
>time travel plot device AGAIN
If this is true I'm cancelling my preorder.

>>386168978
I always hated 3's sprites

>>386168854
>I think Robotnik's plan in Sonic Mania has to do with time travel of some sort
This would make the third time.

>>386168978
I think you're alone dude, 3's sprites were awful.

>>386168978
No but 1/CD/2 is far more popular than sonic 3' s sprites

>>386168978
I'm more confused why Knuckles was the only one to get a completely original sprite. The Mania team is so hellbent on shilling Knuckles

>>386168380
>>386168592
>>386168912
Sonic 4 is canon no matter how much you whine. Caring about Sonic canon is fucking retarded anyways.

>>386168978
3 sprites are better than the 1/CD/2 sprites by far.

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Has this been posted yet?

https://youtu.be/4FvYZotwjOU?t=40s

>GOAL

God I want this game.

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>>386159041

>>386159794
Its American soundtrack is fantastic and it's cool and good.

>>386166184
My Meme > Your Meme

>>386169435
JP OST is better outside of one or two tracks. Game is still weak though.

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>>386169039
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>>386169234
Fair enough. I always like how they made Sonic's hands bigger and chubbier, along with his giving him less frown, he was a cutie. I like Mania trying to give him a middle ground between 3's and 2's frown though
>>386169210
My guess is that using 3's sprites again would be boring and they tried to blend it in with his chaotix sprites

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>>386169390
>Didn't drop dash at the end to the goal
This guy is a piece of shit and this unoptimized turd of a run will get #REKT in one minute after launch

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>>386169210
He's not absolutely 100% original assets either, but keep in mind whereas Sonic and Tails obviously have S2 sprites and all, Knuckles never got the same treatment back then. So they probably revised his sprites to make him fit better with the S2-enhanced thing they're going for.
I'm an outlier that prefers Sonic 3&K sprites though.

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Let's Discuss: STAGE ORDER

So far we have:

Green Hill

Mirage Saloon

Chemical Plant

Studiopolis

Flying Battery

Stardust Speedway

What's the order gonna be?

>>386169672
3's sprite is proportioned better and looks closer to the promo art.

>>386169672
I think I've had this conversation with you before but Sonic looked like he was frowning more in the 3 sprite imo, but the big reason I don't like it is because he looks like the beginnings of the Modern Sonic design. I like the chubbier, more rounded-out sprite with the slimmer shoes and bigger spines.

>>386169210
Probably because the Sonic 3 knuckles sprite was drawn for sonic 3, and they wanted one that was stylistically consistent with the old sprites. When I look at mania's sprite of knuckles it looks like how the same artist would have drawn him during that time.

Also if you tried to make a brand new sprite for sonic and even a minority of the fanbase prefers the original, everyone is going to bitch forever.

Sonic can only drop dash when he's in the air from a jump, right? Not from a slope he spindashed off of?

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>>386169390
>COOL BONUS
whozawha?

>>386169967
I'm pretty sure that's the case since that's how the Elemental & Insta-Shield worked.

>>386169234
>Sonic 4 is canon no matter how much you whine.

Huh. I wonder what other shitty opinions this anon has

>3 sprites are better than the 1/CD/2 sprites by far.

ohhhhh

>Caring about Sonic canon is fucking retarded anyways.

You seem upset for someone who doesn't care

>>386170103
Unfortunately he's right on that first one. I'm pretty sure it's officially canon.

how many gigs ofr a download will this be?

>>386169726
Jesus, what's going on with his legs.

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>>386170292

>>386170237
At this point it'll only be canon if Sega ever feels like referencing the "Death Egg Mk. II" which itself is a total contradiction to Sonic the Fighters, whatever that's worth

If Little Planet ever shows up again safe and sound, Sonic 4 isn't canon

>>386170314
Might be his tail fucking up the sprite

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>>386170292
.1

>>386170314
I think that's his tail over his right leg.

>>386170103
Anon I understand you're still young but the use of curse words (or "swears" as your parents call them) is not a good measuring stick when judging when someone is upset. Don't worry you'll get it eventually.

>>386170103
>3 sprites are better than the 1/CD/2 sprites by far.
>shit opinion
Sonic 2 and cd fags are worse than nintendodrones t b h

>>386170374
Unless it's in Mania, which most likely precedes Sonic 4 chronologically.

Also, hey, it'd be fine with me if 4 isn't canon.

>>386158826
Why does the A look like adobe logo? Can they legally use it now that flash isn't relevant anymore?

>>386170237
>Unfortunately he's right on that first one. I'm pretty sure it's officially canon.

Canon with dotted lines

Sonic games in the future won't reference it
The mania team won't think twice about contradicting it

It doesn't displace water, it might as well not exist.

>>386159794
Reminder that a lot of the Mania dev team likes CD.

>>386169749
Mirage Saloon must be very early; the E3 footage showed Act 2 (without the boss) being beaten in less than 1:30.

>>386169823
I agree, Sonic looks more cartoony and in-line with his character design philosophy; "cool but cute"
>>386169902
I don't browse this board much so I don't think we've talked, but I can see that. Super Sonic's sprite even features green eyes, though I forgot to mention I also like 3's stance more with his right foot towards the player instead of directly towards himself, makes him look more confident in his speed

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I have a feeling the Medallions earned in the Bonus Stages may go towards unlockables.
And since Perfects give you Gold Medallions,
good luck perfecting your Blue Spheres game

so why does the sonic CD on steam not have the original song from the opening video?

>>386170450
Nice anger management there anon

>>386170640
Which is why I'm still worried about Mania. I have a feeling the level designs for the original stuff is going to be shit. What we've seen of Studiopolis and Mirage Saloon looks iffy.

>>386170797
you and everyone else who knows the medalions exist thinks this.
The real question is as to what they go towards unlocking.

>>386170549
Ironically I would say Forces probably has a better chance of retconning Sonic 4 than Mania does. Though Mania's already a confirmed S3&K sequel, at least

It would be easy too because Sonic 4 didn't add anything to the series at all

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>>386170292
The Steam store page mentions 400MB.

>>386170640
I can tell, the aesthetics are the same horrible clusterfuck in some areas.

However they probably don't like CD that much because I can actually see some enemies and stage hazards in Mania.

>>386170797
Unlockable Mean Bean Machine mode with multiplayer (maybe online)

>>386170840
licensing issues
japan are a bunch of stingy fucks when it comes to licensed music, it's why a lot of games localized in the west tended to skimp out on japanese openings or flatout do instrumentals like most Tales games do

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>>386170640
>>386170860
>>386170945

>>386169234
>Sonic 4 is canon no matter how much you whine. Caring about Sonic canon is fucking retarded anyways.

It's clearly not canon. It was basically an abandoned story that was never completed. Mania is the real Sonic 4 and everyone treats it as such.

>>386170909
it will be an hour long no way they fit a ton of gameplay into it

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>>386171043

>>386170945
You're a retard with terrible taste.

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>>386170954
>mfw

>>386170660
They've already said Mirage will be late in the game.

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>>386171043
best combo

>>386171056
Hell, Mania's pseudo-manual treats itself as a direct sequel to 3&K as well, it really is Sonic 4 without calling itself so. The devs had played around with ideas like a retired Robotnik and so forth, but in the end it pretty much picks up almost right after the Genesis games stopped.

Considering Sonic 4 itself misconstrued and fucked up what little continuity the older games had in its own manual shit, it's probably better to ignore 4.

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>>386170909
MS gives 100. Plus, Steam always gives a higher storage thing needed.

>>386171145
The original sonic genesis games were less than 4mb and the SEGA cheer at the beginning took up most of the cartridge space.
Sonic games are not that big file size wise.

>>386171043
Oh cool. That's a huge relief.

>>386171056
Pretty sure the real Sonic 4 is the one with that title.
>and everyone treats it as such
Not Sega. ;^)

Why don't people like Sonic 3 sprites? The lines are voluptuous and plump and it looks so shiny. I like it

It reminds me of one of those Tex Avery cartoons. or Ren And Stimpy

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>>386170860
>What we've seen of Studiopolis and Mirage Saloon looks iffy.

what

>>386171043
>>386171179
>Point out legitimate flaws
>"AAAAHHHH FUCK YOOOOU"

Great to see that even nu-Sonicfags are just as obnoxious as the old ones.

>>386171179
Not him but while CD has stellar concept and promo art the actual game often looks garish.

>>386170880
New character, nothing too crazy, Amy seems most likely.

Either that or in-game extras (Sound Test, Level Select, Art Gallery...).

What are the odds of a Hidden Palace Zone (Sonic 2) like level?

>>386171043
I don't think CD has bad level design but he's going for a top-tier mix right here. CD is my favorite but it has a more methodical pace and I can see why people prefer 3&K's ability-based speedy platforming goodness. I know that as a result Mania won't have a lot of the pure physics shenanigans that CD does and that makes me sad but I guess it's a necessary sacrifice.

>>386170945
>I can tell, the aesthetics are the same horrible clusterfuck in some areas.

I also hate CD's exotic dazzle art style combined with a horrible color palette. And I have no idea what you're talking about. Even studiopolis is perfectly readable.

>>386171332
yes but megabytes where worth more money back then now they are worth very little so it costs a lot more of then to store the same data didnt you know megabytes where just the computers digital currency?

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>>386171484
CD's level design only worked at all with the Retro Engine, collision detection and physics were ass in the original release and made the game less fun than what it was capable of being. The levels themselves aren't bad, but it's a sidegrade compared to what 2 and 3&K brought to the table

Both those games really have the best feel for everybody to enjoy. I can only say I like CD because of Taxman's remake In fact I prefer it to 2

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>>386158826
yay

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When do you guys think leaks will start popping up? I need to know so I can start filtering stuff.

>>386171461
A level that doesn't exist? Pretty big I'd say.

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I can never git gud at Blue Spheres, it makes me motion sick. Anybody else like me?

>>386171484
Well, CD was pretty much pure exploration with incredibly gimmicky level designs that supplemented Sonic well. S3&K took the idea of exploration and trimmed it down to be more sane and reasonable while allowing for multi-route forward progression.

Taxman may of made Sonic CD fun for a lot of people, but the level design is easily the most contested and debated of the entire classic series, certain places in S&K aside.

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>Come into the thread
>Read a bunch of CD was never good memes
>People went from "it has bad lelvel desing" to "le trashy color palette"

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>386171736
Base CD is almost unplayable, but Taxman's remake of it shoots it up to my favorite spot, to clarify. I have no idea what the fuck a sidegrade is but you do you, anon.

>>386171779
It returned in the mobile release.

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>>386171392
Might as well post the other 2 maps with it.

>>386171774
just leave whenever you see the nukes coming.

There will be tons of warning.

If you do get hit by a nuke, then don't get hit by any more. Just leave the internet. Leave 4chan. Leave youtube. Leave facebook. Leave everything.

>>386171802
My 4-year old self agrees. Not gonna lie - He's a bit of a casual though.

>>386171842
It's barely even a game, because a game gives you challenges to overcome or you lose. Sonic CD just makes you backtrack or sends you around in endless running segments.

I bet you hate marble Gardens too, because it had "too many enemies and traps that you can't just blindly rush into"

>>386171842
Because Time Attack proved you can actually go fast in CD, so speed autists needed to bitch about something else

>>386171870
Sidegrades are just kinda spinoff-like improvements to a series that don't outright replace something like an upgrade does and isn't utter shit like a downgrade. Something like Ashninja not being superior to Protein, but not totally inferior either

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>>386168315
Hallo, ben jij ook nederlands?

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>>386171774
Just go dark starting Tuesday. Play the classics and order some pizza. Pretend it's 1996 or some shit until the game comes out.

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>>386172021
>It's barely even a game
>Sonic CD just makes you backtrack or sends you around in endless running segments

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>>386171392
>>386172016

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>>386171842
Ignore shitters, acquire Yuzo Koshiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14U64jWO85s

>ctrl-f
>"torrent"
>no results
Let's change that.
Can't wait to for the torrent leaks 48 hour in advance. Game is looking great even though half the game is recycled content.

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>>386171842
Here, this is what my brain sees when I look at CD

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>>386170334
Read file name faggot

>>386172165
So you're retarded?

>>386172165
That looks kind of cool.

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>>386172149
>>386165242

Your meme is shit

>>386170334
Do I have what you look for?

>>386172080
>Sidegrades are just kinda spinoff-like improvements to a series
Yeah, I feel that. I love CD, and it's different in this manner, but fuck people who decry it as outright bad.

>>386172126
>>386171842
>>386171179
This is all the same guy BTW. Not a single argument to defend CD with, just calling everyone who doesn't like it stupid.

And this is why CD will always be bad, when even its fans can't fucking defend it.

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>>386172149
i'll buy the game for you anon you poor cheap piece of shit

>>386172165
lay off the fucking crack maybe?

sonic cd more like sonic colors

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>>386172105
wrong pic

>>386172317
You have to provide an argument first

>>386172282
>stop posting this it makes me mad
There's nothing you can do about it.

>>386172405
>Playing any Sonic sober
I seriously hope none of you does that

>>386163441
>Making Amy a FFXIV Astrologian

I'm only mad that I didn't think of it first

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>>386172405
delet

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>>386172495
I'm not even mad, you're just copy+pasting the same shit just for (You)s when it was already talked about in the thread

>>386172331
sent :)

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>internet arguments have become two retards posting variations of "not an argument" back and forth at each other
gj guys

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>>386171043

>>386172457
See? And now he's just ignoring the four main arguments made so far - It looks garish, there are no enemies, no traps and the stages involve lots of backtracking.

I guess you'd have to be really good at ignoring flaws if you're a CDfag. But I think the message is clear to literally everyone but you so I'll stop now.

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>>386172105
>order some pizza. Pretend it's 1996

Not him, but I want to do just exactly just that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRpnPHHsRk

It's going to be 90s everything for me that week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZThOsCv2Mw

>>386159794

some of the worst level design I have ever seen in a video game

like goddamn, its as if they did it all on purpose

>>386172735
>replying to cd cucks

>>386172246
I like CD's style its just that the artists picked bad combinations of colors at full blast for some reason.

>>386172631
>I'm still mad at you
There's still nothing you can do about it.

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>>386172735
>It looks garish
It doesn't

>there are no enemies
There are enemies, they even have old and broken counterparts in the future

>no traps
What do you mean by this? there are multiple crushers, spikes, etc

>the stages involve lots of backtracking
You literally do not need to backtrack at all if you git gud

Try again fag

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>>386172997

>>386172735
>Looks garish
An empty word. Provide screenshots for example and talk specifically about what you mean, conjecture words like boring, shitty, bad, etc. have absolutely no weight unless you state what you mean.

>No enemies
Outright false

>No traps
Outright false

>Stages involve a lot of backtracking
I'm sorry that design which isn't right > left offends you so much. And you are aware you don't need to go hunting for the generators, right? Just get the time stones instead.

>>386172916
They posted three maps for Sonic CD in a game magazine I used to subscribe to, and that alone was enough to make me never even consider buying a Sega CD.

It was something like that underwater section in carnival night zone act 2, looking at it made me physically ill.

http://www.soniczone0.com/games/soniccd/downloads/scd-ss-zone2dmap.png

>>386173025
>>386173091
>[gair-ish, gar-], crudely or tastelessly colorful

>>386173230
The colors in CD blend well in most areas. So is a copypasted definition going to be your only response or is that the end of your rope?

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When you think about it, whether you believe Sonic CD is bad or not, it's almost like a premonition of what Sonic Team would devolve into; experimental games attempting to find new directions for Sonic that become extraordinarily polarizing and was sort of like "everyone says Sonic CD is awesome yo" only for people to realize its gaping flaws years later. Kind of like Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, though the 2011 port fixed some issues.

But then it's better than being a premonition of a game like Lost World, which was just flatout terrible as a game, much less a Sonic title.

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>>386173124
Man, that map looks like so much fun to travel in. I wish Bad Futures weren't entirely pointless

This is why I like Sonic over Mario. The level design can get so insane

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>>386173491
Looks like clownvomit.

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>>386172735
>It looks garish
I'm no art expert but I just feel this one is subjective. This is like how there are plenty who dislike the Sonic 3 sprite to me & it's fine to think this if you truly dislike the designs.

>there are no enemies
Incorrect, there are plenty of enemies in the levels that are about on-tier with the other games. There are only "no enemies" when you destroy the Generators in the Past & when you're in Good Futures but you have to achieve that goal which also helps give incentive to explore & find these Generators.

>no traps
Actually there are a decent amount of traps due to all the spikes & enemies, there is only 1 bottomless pit in the whole (Metallic Madness Act.3) but there are other pits that will bring you down to locations that will harm you (look at Collision Chaos for example).

>the stages involve lots of backtracking
The game encourages a lot of exploration for the Generators & Metal Sonic holograms. Like I said earlier the incentive is there so there are no more enemies, you get Good Futures & therefore the Good Ending. It's optional of course so you can just go to the exit & get the Time Stones.

If you're going to criticize CD bitch at things like this webm or something, at least then some will understand it.

Why does every Mania thread devolve into CD wars?

>>386173124
CD levels are just obstacles haphazardly spammed all over the place. You see the same kind of shit in the lowest-rated Mario Maker levels. It's clear the designers didn't know what they were doing.

>>386173698
Because we are all losing our minds waiting for this game to come out.

>>386173643
How, exactly? What's wrong with vibrant colors and detailed backdrops? You'd be better off making the argument that it's too busy, there's nothing wrong with the color or general art direction.

>>386173698
Because people can't accept it's the best classic Sonic.

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>>386170954
TAXMAN PLS

>>386173525
>gaping flaws
Being allergic to exploration and surreal vibes doesn't mean the game has "gaping flaws". It means you don't know how to articulate your concerns.

The physics are still on point. The level design is still based on slopes meant to complement the physics.

CD uses the solid foundation already established in Sonic 1 upon which to experiment. CD is experimentation done right.

>>386173075
I love winning ^_^

Sonicfags are so easily beaten. :D

>>386173698
sounds a lot like the same people going into different threads to stir hell

>>386173698
Not enough cocks to go around to keep the CDfags mollified.

>>386173525
I don't think anybody really defends the original CD anymore when Taxman's is just a much more fun game to play and adds a lot of content that's almost on par with Sonic 3&K, or at least more than Sonic 2

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>>386172803
Good for you. That's my plan too. Did it 2 or 3 years ago for my first S3&K run and it was great.

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>>386173698
Mania is based off CD at heart and butthurt Sanic2 autists can't deal with the fact

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>>386173643
>>386173696
Stop posting CD screenshots

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>>386173639

How can anyone find Mario fun?

Replace him with any other character and the game would be smashed to pieces. The only reason his games sell is because of the name attached to it.

Mario was never good. It's boring. Bland.

Absolutely disgusting.

>>386173848
Exploration is only worth a dam when there's something worth finding. Sonic CD is the Phantom Pain of Sonic games. The levels are large and open and dreadfully boring to explore.

>>386173776
even giving a fuck like you do about the smallest of shit gives real sonic fans a bad name. Stop being autistic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvpmbu2jN4

Reminder if Sonic 2 has the best anything, it has the best ending theme

>>386173698
Because we haven't yet gassed the plebs who find a way to hate it

>>386173902
>Le Taxman's port is totally a different game, that's why people like it :^)

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>>386172735
>>386173696
Also on the enemies thing.

>>386173698
Because people have strong opinions over the game & can't understand the other side easily or want to accept some people like the game. Of course the game has it's issues like any other game out there but it really comes down to some liking the exploration-based level design or finding it goes too far with it.

>>386173990
>Sonic 2
I think you mean 3&Kultists. Not to disparage the sane and amicable 3&K fans but it's become increasingly clear in these threads that to some people, if 3&K isn't your favorite Sonic game you need to be crusaded against.

>>386174042
That first one isn't even from the game. It's a mockup someone did of a custom zone.

>>386174108
Well the game doesn't play like ass so it is

That's like saying his Sonic 1 and 2 aren't the definitive versions that shit on your childhood experiences

>>386174108
>Fix a game's primary problems
>It's suddenly a much better game
Whoa....I'm....No no, whoa...I'm so thinking...

>>386173698
Because, at best, CD is marginally better than Sonic 1 and these troglodytes have to be taught a lesson

when is torrent??

>>386174131
Sonic CD is the only game in the series where you can go 20 seconds without running into an enemy.

>>386174131
Why do so many look like bugs?

>>386174074
>caring about level design in a platformer is autistic
Nah anon you just have zero standards. Level design is paramount in this genre and CD completely shits the bed.

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>>386171773
>playing Sonic 3 complete
>mfw using the Sonic CD charge sprint as Super Sonic for the first time

>>386173848
>Being allergic to exploration and surreal vibes
Yeah how about not putting words in other people's mouths, thanks
When I got the game on the Gems Collection, I was surprised to see that almost every act in the game can be cleared so fast and with so little effort that only the bosses gave any trouble, and that's because I was a retarded teen at the time. Exploration for the Robot Generators and Metal Sonic holograms only matter to those trying to 100% the game the hard way for achievements or self-satisfaction, especially the holograms since they're optional; just getting the TIme Stones basically means there's no need to explore anymore for the casual player, and that point Sonic CD just becomes a game with neat graphics and music but barely any game.

To each their own about CD, and I won't say it was a bad Sonic game, but it doesn't stand up to the legendary praise everyone gave it as "the only good Sega CD game" and "the missing gem no one ever played." It was alright.

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>>386174094
Good taste anon.

>Best Music
>Best Level Design
>Best Length
>Best Sprites
>Best Final Boss
>Best Super Sonic Theme
and more importantly
>Best Classic Sonic Game

Fight me S3&K fags. Sonic 2 doesn't need an extra game to be good.

>>386174108
The shitty spindash did effect my impression of the game, I'll admit.
And the fact that I had to play with the US music.

>>386174267
It plays exactly the same
It just adds the stupid Sanic 2 spindash

>>386174289
>game's primary problems
?

>>386174434
Sonic 3 alone is better than 2.

>>386174434
Adding &K lessens the value of S3 though. The game becomes too fucking long and gets a bunch of shitty stages.

>>386174498
Great minds think alike

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>>386174434
I don't agree with anything you said but best Super Sonic theme and arguably best Final Boss. But I can see why people love 2. I just can't get into it

>>386174479
>stupid Sanic 2 spindash

>>386174479
Taxman's remake enhanced the spindash, fixed some of the collision, added widescreen, fixed the load times, and made the special stages way more playable.

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>>386174498
>>386174568
Fuck yeah, Sonic 3 solo bros are here with their great tastes.

>>386174073
>Exploration is only worth a dam when there's something worth finding
Using Sonic's physics with slopes to explore is a blast and could be its own reward.

Past Signs, spots where you can gather speed and utilize it to travel through time, and Generators are all worth finding.

There's nothing wrong with large open levels (again, you're fucking exploring). And the crazy vibes that the art and music give keep it from being boring. Unless that's too "garish" for you.

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>preordering doesnt get you the ost

The one time I'd actually want it

>>386174615
Super Peel Out > spindesh

>>386174640
>fixed some minor glitch
>added widescreen
WOW TOTALLY A DIFFERENT GAME

Kill yourself

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>>386173643
>>386172735
It doesn't look garish, just trippy.with more outlandish environments instead of the typical ones like a plain snow level, plain desert level, plain water level.

Sonic 2 had a few stages like in CD too, such as Oil Ocean. It's perfectly fine.

>>386174326
it's a fucking sonic game you autistic greaseball holy shit, get a life Lol you're lucky this game is even coming out. go outside!

>>386174857
Oh yeah and the choice of soundtrack. Plus new collision and widescreen are a huge deal in a fucking reaction-based platformer are you a mental patient? Did you eat glue as a child? You also ignored load times and special stages.

>>386174815
No I don't find it garish at all. My only problem with the graphics is they went overboard with the foreground objects in some parts.

>We classic Sonic fans are much better at discussing
Is what someone said in a previous thread explaining why he doesn't want to move to the general

>>386175048
The threads do good until the CD hateboner autists arrive. I hope everyone is taking note at how these threads nosedive every time one shows up.

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>>386174479
>>386174857
Taxman fixed the biggest issue in the game.

>>386175048
To be honest the general bored me. I was there for a couple days, but there was like zero game discussion going on a lot of the time. When the comics died that was all they talked about, along with some arguing over whether it's fine to like Infinite or not

I don't like the shitflinging either, but kids want to be right

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>>386175001
I can only give you the special stage
But that's not part of the main game

The Sonic 2 physics are barely noticeable outside of the CC boss

Widescreen only appeals to shitters who can't react in time
It was never needed because CD is also the ONLY classic sonic game with a dynamic camera that pans forward when you start running

>>386175165
>CD hateboner autist
Or the anti Adventure fags. Or the boost haters. Etc. The shitposting zealots come in all varieties.

>>386175165
S3&K fag here and I agree

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>>386174894
It's supposed to look sickly, it's an ocean of pollution. And despite that, purple and orange function somewhat well together since they bring out Sonic's blue sprite.

Sonic CD just throws every color at max contrast at once. And while it looks almost OK in still pictures, wait until it starts moving by really fast.

>>386175226
Looks like Eggman snuck into Sonic's house again to replace his speed shoes with slip shoes.

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>>386174479
>>386174857
>>386175226

3 > 2 > 1

BUT

Green Hill > Emerald Hill > Angel Island
It's like poetry, it rhymes

>>386173990
Taxman has said while he appreciates the aesthetic of CD he considers 3&K to be the best Sonic game. It's clearly serving as the main inspiration for Mania.

>>386172149
>>386172331
You fucking two are legitmately more tiring and annoying than fucking Tomposter.

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>>386174568
>The game becomes too fucking long

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>>386158826
>tfw i will pirate this game
somebody stop me!

>>386174394
>Exploration for the Robot Generators and Metal Sonic holograms only matter to those trying to 100% the game the hard way for achievements or self-satisfaction
You're looking at the game completely backwards. The levels are literally designed with exploring for time travel spots in mind. That's the intended way to play the levels. They're clearly designed with that in mind.

The fact that you can just B line for the end of the levels and enter special stages for time stones as an alternative way to get the true ending is the more mechanically tacked on thing. It's nice that you can also get the good ending this way, but from a game design standpoint, it's clearly an afterthought, and propping this method of getting the good ending up as the main one is honestly pretty dumb.

Like, it's fine if CD's not your bag, baby. But it's clearly designed with a specific playstyle in mind, and I think it's difficult to argue that it fails at sticking the landing.

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Speaking of Sonic CD
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYW7-hNXZlM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3cFn6NneHA

>http://www.strawpoll.me/13626879

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>when you realize this wasn't just another reference to autistic sonic lore but taxman hinting that he was in talks with sega to make mania

Will my computer even be able to run Mania? Both Ori and Hollow Knight had slowdown.

>>386175904
What's wrong with Angel Island?

>>386176050
Like way too fucking long. You never want to play Sonic again after reaching the midway point of S&K.

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>>386176175
>You never want to play Sonic again after reaching the midway point of S&K.

>>386168854
>implying there isn't more than one Flying Battery
It showed up again in Knuckles' story of S3&K. Robotnik probably has fleets of them for transporting animals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S958OfGx5wM
the extended outro version

>>386175927
HAHAHA this thread has been a goldmine. Thank you 3&K anons for finally putting these tasteless fucking CD children in their place, 3&K is king and I hope they don't forget it anytime soon. I hope they feel ashamed to come into future threads and say dumb, uneducated shit like "S-S-Sonic CD is m-my favorite one"

>>386175927
Yeah, that's why we got the classic Sonic sprite
That's why all the music sounds like CD
That's why we got Stardust Speedway
That's why Sonic has a super peel out animation
That's why we chase a UFO in the special stage

>>386175904
GH > AI > EH

>>386176175
3&K takes like 60 minutes, 80 minutes tops to finish.

>>386165486

pretty lengthy way of saying yes

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leave shadow to me

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>>386176145
What's that from?

>>386176317
>>386176339
BTFO
T
F
O

How will S3&Kucks EVER fucking recover LMAO HAHAHAHAHAAH

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>>386176145
Dumb cd cuck

>>386176339
Wow genius. I just said he appreciates the aesthetic of CD, no shit there's going to be elements of CD's design in the aesthetic. But in terms of actual gameplay and level design it's clearly more similar to 3&K

>>386167134

TOTINOS TOTINOS

>>386176563
HOW DID YOU KNOW

>>386176560
Just admit that you were wrong instead of embarassing yourself with these lame excuses
The game is clearly based off CD

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>>386173978

It's awesome pretending its the 90s, last time I did that I was watching X-files.

Are you going to be using the CTR filter mode?

Who the fuck actually likes Emerald Hill Zone? It's a complete downgrade of Green Hill with the only interesting aspect being the corkscrew. The music is alright, but then it's blown the fuck out by Chemical Plant Zone

At least Angel Island was something entirely new and interesting

>>386176392
>>386176495
I guess I didn't make it clear that I knew it was also a hidden image AND that I thought it meant taxman was in early talks to make a new 2d sonic game. Sorry shitposters

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>>386176339
He meant it's the main inspiration for level design, Anon. By the way, if you're going to mention the Special Stages one could mention how Blue Spheres are in the game as a count-point, same goes to Flying Battery (and probably Hydrocity) being in the game as a zone but that's besides the point, we're going to see inspiration from all the games in some way. So far the biggest things that are noticeable are CD-esque aesthetics & 3&K level design.

>>386176665
If it is, then I'm never playing it and telling everyone it's bad. It's Sonic - They'll take my word for it.

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Post your favorite sonic spinoff game
Mine is Sonic Riders

>>386175951
The only person that gives a single fuck after 200 replies is you fat boy

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You 3&K and CD fags don't even know the TRUE PATRICIAN Sonic game.

>>386175354
God people defend this shit. I mean look at that.

>>386176805
It's the only level that doesn't set the Rape to overdrive when you first played it. Chemical Plant zone was every kid's nightmare.

>>386165631
>Pirates who try before they buy don't exist
Bullshit, I liked Assault Android Cactus, Devil Daggers, and Snake Pass enough to buy them on Steam.

>/sthg/ shitposters are here to shit up threads by stirring up CD discussion and pretend hate

>>386176885
3D Blast. Or All-Stars Racing.

>>386176874
Don't forget to claim that the level design is bad

>>386176817
Mania's level design has nothing to do with either CD or 3&K so that's not a valid point
The game's artstyle and music just screams CD

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>>386176885
Better Mario Party.

>>386176805
Emerald Hill is fucking great for bouncing shenanigans
Angel Island is a fun level to explore, but doesn't have that good of a flow when going fast

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>>386167674
Who cares

>>386177009
Other than the part with the rotating platforms and rising water Chemical Plant is extremely easy, and was as a kid. Most of the game is easy.

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I have a spoiler for Sonic Mania. I have tagged it as a spoiler because I'm not an asshole, so if you wish to look further with caution, feel free to.

>>386177274
Oh shit

>>386177261
The moving platforms suck really hard because of the unwieldy controls. Nobody like drowning and 3 of the first 6 levels has underwater segments.

>>386177274
wOAH ANON i DIDN'T EXPECT THIS AS THE FINAL BOSS

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>>386176773
Hadn't thought about it, but I just might now.

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>>386177114
>Mania's level design has nothing to do with either CD or 3&K so that's not a valid point
>The game's artstyle and music just screams CD
And the level design screams 3&K to me & that's good, it's taking what most consider to be the strong points of both games.

That being said I just remembered after typing what I said above it's been said this is supposed to be a mash-up of 3&K & CD's level design actually:
https://youtu.be/04nBdQU9rbc?t=120 (2:00)
>"Our lead level designer of PagodaWest & I have a very similar thought process with stuff so we both love Sonic CD and Sonic 3 & Knuckles so I think people can expect like the big wide opened spaces of Sonic CD but the more streamlined approach of Sonic 3 & Knuckles so we're like preventing like backtracking & all that other stuff."

And this is fine by me, I prefer 3&K but CD is second in my favorites.

>>386177745
>it's taking what most consider to be the strong points of both games.
That's exactly what it's doing but literal retards can't understand that and just want to start shit, it's pathetic. Why can't people see that there's good stuff from all the classic games that should be adopted for use in mania?

Who /preorderedonsteam/ here?

When do you think the reviews will go live?

Is there even an embargo?

>>386178030
high 80s to high 90s for most sites
and I think?

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>>386171043
>CD aesthetics with 3&K level design
Patrician

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>mfw I love both CD and 3&K

why can't we all just get along?

>>386178030
It's Sonic, so high 40's if we're lucky.

I'm new to most of the sonic games what's the difference between the styles in 2, CD and 3&K anyway?

>>386178030
>6/10 IGN
>too hard and too much content for a platformer
>sonic is back and he learned nothing

>>386177428
>unwieldy controls
What? The controls are fine.

>>386178160
REEEEEEE NO