Can we get a thread for Mary Sues in video games? And I mean

Every character I don't like is a Mary Sue, including your favourite.

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>>386151495
>actually shitting on best girl

>>386151495
She's a qt so she's alright with me

snake

every fire emblem character

>>386151495
She's cute who gives a shit

>/v/ will defend any shitty character just as long as they are cute or hot
Never change /v/

>>386151495
Fucking Boss from MGS3, even more in PW

>>386151495
dude, Lana has the most delicious looking body, holy shit that navel

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>>386153026
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>>386154353

eat shit and die

lightning in final fantasy
she beats god like twice and then becomes a new god and then warps reality

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>>386154383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ksMGhewlPk
S O R E

>>386154353
i want to stick my tongue in it desu

>>386151495
>Mary Sue
>Lana still fails to get Link

Oh yeah, self-insert indeed

>>386157313
The cast still treats her like a main character on the same level as Link and Zelda. She even gets the Triforce of Power

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They're not even hiding it at this point.
>mfw feminists and /v/irgins are happy because the other thinks she's female empowerment and the other wants to stick their dick into her

If she was a male...

>>386151495

Mary sue doesn't mean competent, and it doesn't mean self insert.

You people are retarded.

>>386157701
Sauce on the gif?

>>386158236
the new Mario Line Stickers.

>>386157701
>implying she(male) isn't

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>>386157439
>She even gets the Triforce of Power
Of course she does, who else would safeguard it? You can't have them all in one place so Link, Zelda and Impa are out and the rest all needed to go back to their own worlds.

This board uses mary sue the same way it uses reddit and cuck, just another label to slap on something you dislike without having to explain what's wrong with it.

>>386157439
>The cast still treats her like a main character on the same level as Link and Zelda.
No ? Except for that "power of friendship" scene.

>She even gets the Triforce of Power
It was only an excuse to give it back to Ganondorf.

>>386158647
Hyrule Historia mentions that Impa is the destined guardian of Triforce of Power.

It sure as hell wouldn't give it to an OC

>>386157701
If she was a male she'd be Mario

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>>386151495
I don't understand you OP.
You say real Mary Sues, right?
Okay, so, which developer self-inserted into Hyrule Warriors as Lana?
The fucking term is so bastardized at this point Mary Sue meant author self-insert.

>>386159185
Every scene she's in feels like someone's fanfiction.

>>386159243
Mary Sue meant self-insert and nothing more.
The fact that many self-insert characters were over-powered, over-loved, over-pure broken messes/self-fellatios was sometimes a consequence but not necesarily.

So again, which developer at Tecmo/Team Ninja self-inserted as Lana?

>>386159495
No, it doesn't. Self-inserting is just a common trait of a Mary Sue

For example. Bella Swan in Twilight was designed in a way for female readers to insert upon. She's not one single person's self-insert.

>>386159580
You got it backwards. Mary Sue IS A SELF INSERT and nothing more.

The name come from the halcyon days of the trekkie fandom, a girl wrote ST Fan Fiction called "Her codename was Mary Sue". It was a parody of Star Trek fanfics where authors self-insert as characters.

Bella Swan, as you define her, wouldn't be a Mary Sue, but a blank slate like Link.

>>386159734
>Bella Swan, as you define her, wouldn't be a Mary Sue, but a blank slate like Link.

You say that as if Link isn't a bit of a Mary Sue himself.

>>386159790
Nope, he's literally a blank slate.
He's the "link" between the player and the game world, he's not Miyamoto, Tezuka nor Aonuma self-projecting as an elfboy.

The old man, King Rhoam, however, has been confirmed to be Aonuma's Mary Sue. He wrote all of Rhoam's lines to feel like it's him who's talking to the player.

>>386159790
>Everyone character is a bit of a Mary Sue
When you have definitions as loose as this why do you even bother trying to discuss them.

>>386157701
>Rosalina
>Mary Sue
you what

>>386157701
Same question I asked OP.
Which Mario Galaxy developer self-inserted him/herself as a blonde space giantess?

>>386159943

That's why I asked for the most blatant ones. Mary Sueishness exists on a scale. Self-inserting is only a part of that scale. Lana is unrealistically perfect and blends in horribly with the Zelda universe

>>386159912
>The old man, King Rhoam, however, has been confirmed to be Aonuma's Mary Sue. He wrote all of Rhoam's lines to feel like it's him who's talking to the player.

Thanks for proving that a self-insert is not a Mary Sue by itself.

>>386159992
>Rosalina
>not a Mary Sue
why do people always defend this character.

Just because she was a slightly good written character for like one game does not mean she's above criticism, people

>>386160158
Wait, that's not right, Rhoam would be Gary Stu.
>The name "Mary Sue" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie's Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality.
>Self-Insert
Mary Sue means "self insert" character in a fanfic. The fact the term has been bastardized by underage imbeciles who think it means "character I don't like" is a different thing altogether.

>>386160385
Again, which developer inserted itself into the game? WHO is Rosalina a stand-in for?
I fucking swear, this is how terms loose meaning. It's like "weeaboo", which went from unhealthy obsession with anime to "liking anything remotely japanese".

>>386160387
>Mary Sue means "self insert" character in a fanfic. The fact the term has been bastardized by underage imbeciles who think it means "character I don't like" is a different thing altogether.

It means a character who is overly perfect. People who are self-inserting tend to write their characters this way. King Rhoam is Aonuma's vehicle to introduce characters to the game, but is a flawed character with minimal screen time. He's not a Gary Stu.

>>386160508
>It means a character who is overly perfect
No, it means self-insert
>Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality
>regardless of character role or perceived quality

>>386151495
Was she exclusive to the Hyrule Warriors games?

I don't understand why it's difficult to just say you think Rosailna or Lana is a shit character instead of having to rely on meaningless buzzword memes like mary sue or Lightning. Only autistic waifufags would fight you over an opinion like that, but slapping retarded labels on them just makes you look like a shitter incapable of original thought.

>>386160694
Yes.
Much like Rareware's extended Kong Family, though, Nintendo own her, so she could show up at any mainline Zelda game if they so desire.

>>386160691
>No, it means self-insert

I bet you think a faggot also means a bundle of sticks.

Language is dictated by the people who speak it and the term as evolved to refer to fan characters who are overly perfect and feel forced in comparison with the source material. Lana is overwhelmingly guilty of this, clearly receiving much more time and attention than actual Zelda characters.

>>386160939
term evolution =/= term corruption. This is how languages get bastardized and die.
Lana isn't any more of a "Mary Sue" (read: central focus) of the game than Midna was on Twilight Princess.

>>386161047
>Lana isn't any more of a "Mary Sue" (read: central focus) of the game than Midna was on Twilight Princess.

You say that as if Midna wasn't dangerously close to being a Mary Sue.

>>386159734
Not entirely, it was also to mock how certain Star Trek characters were literally perfect at everything they do despite seeming way too young and inexperienced to be as perfect as they are. At least that matches the definition I read about a month ago.

>>386160480
How is Mary Sue only referring to self-inserts? Back when I was growing up, Mary Sue or Gary Stu referred to a OP character who was given exclusive and special treatment/privileges by the main cast or series itself outside the MC often to a silly degree

Looking at it tho, that was the original meaning, but not necessarily the meaning its taken to form it later years after it.

>>386161105
She wasn't. She was a character and a plot device together, the was what binded the events of the game together.

Are you going to tell me that the Triforce in Zelda 1 is a Mary Sue because it's the cause of the central conflict? What about the crystals in Zelda 2, since they're also key to the plot!

Oh, oh! Also the Master Sword in ALttP since it was the weapon of Hylian legends!
Everything is a fucking Mary Sue! Fuck the actual meaning of terms! Fuck the language!
That fucking cloud blocking the sun is too perfect! Mary Sue!

>>386161141
>Back when I was growing up, Mary Sue or Gary Stu referred to a OP character who was given exclusive and special treatment/privileges by the main cast or series itself outside the MC often to a silly degree
How old are you? I am not even being insulting, I am honestly asking.
Even back on the Usenet days, Mary Sue reffered to "female author self-insert", and the term came from a Star Treck fanfic where the author woman self-inserted as an agent under the codename "Mary Sue".
The actual fic was a parody of self-inserts, too.

>>386161245
>She wasn't. She was a character and a plot device together, the was what binded the events of the game together.

I never said she was. I said she was close. She makes Link feel like the third wheel in several of the games big moments.

>>386161365
Who in the development team is self-inserting herself as Midna? As far as I know, her design wasn't even finalized by the TEAM until way late into development and not a single woman's creation.

>>386161352
Let's just say by 2005, Mary Sue came to mean what i said it meant.

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>>386151495
*teleports behind you*

>>386161519
That seems about right.
And by then, the term was corrupted. Mary Sue reffers to a female character who's the author's self-insert.

Weeaboo reffers to someone with an unhealthy obsession with anime and manga and not someone like that history class professor who has a passing fascination with Feudal Japan.

>>386161352
We're not talking about the Star Trek days. We're talking about what the word Mary Sue means to people today. Self-inserting alone doesn't make a Mary Sue. Someone on KT clearly jerks it to Lana. It's not self-inserting but it's just as bad.

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Lana is silly.

>>386161656
so what is the correct trope of characters like Lana, Rosalina, ect?

>>386161764
>Says Toon Link looks like a cat.
>Doesn't draw his cat-eyes remotely correctly

Autism triggered hard

>>386154193
it's even more infatuating when said character is only hot on fanart but said nerds are so delusional that their perception of the character is warped to unrecognizable degrees

this applies to all the mario girls

>>386161796
I don't know, overly-focused on?
It's quite hard because the story was written by an actual team of people with Lana/Rosalina/Midna in mind, and not a single person.
They're key to the overall plot, Probably Rosalina less so since without her the game would still be "Mario goes to space to save Peach".

>>386161776
This faggot right here, dear lord what a special snowflake.

Muh mysterious origin.
Muh demonic powers.
Muh giant robot.
Muh everyone loves me.

CS is just absolute trash.

>>386161959
*infuriating

>>386162013
>I don't know, overly-focused on?

You don't know because you actually do know the term most people who aren't 40 years old use and refuse to admit it.

>>386162151
You should just call it character you don't like

>>386162013
do u think rosalina is a well written & good designed character and a good addition to the mario series? i ask you this because you're an older person and most older video game fans seem to have a different opinion of newer characters than the younger fans. its an interesting perspective.

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aaand the winner is

>>386162330
But it's not the same. I hate Linkle, but she isn't a Mary Sue

>>386162435
No but at times, she is.

>>386157701
Peach is more of a "mary sue" than Rosalina ever was.

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>>386162501
peach is just thicc.

>>386162343
She isnt the pinnacle of writting but I like Koizumi and his team tried to make a character that's more complex than usual mainline Mario games' characters. Overall I like Rosalina over Princess Toadstool for having something more depth, as minimal as it may be.

>>386162708
No she isn't

>>386162746
Respectable opinion. I liked her in the first game but I think after the first games her character has been bastardized and corrupted

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>>386162590
See here for both of these

>>386153026

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Maybe i just hate the genius child trope, but the fact she is the best engineer in BLADE, one of the best fighters and a top tier chef annoys me.

>>386162897
She's been mostly on Spin-offs, so I dont necesarilly count those, but I will say I liked they made her playable in 3D World alongside Peach/Toadstool.

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>>386161695
Fuck off "literally Hitler" fag. This is how words end up losing meaning. A moment of silence for
>Epic
>Literally
>Nazi
>Weeaboo
>Mary Sue
>Fascist
>special snowflake
>Triggered As a reference to actual PTSD, not triggered losing its meaning because we're mocking Tumblr

>>386163096
I can't believe it's the first time Peach's been playable since SMB2. That's ridiculous, Nintendo.

I'm happy Rosalina and Peach got in it though. Now they're opening up opportunity for Pauline and I hope we get to visit Sarasaland in the new game too. I just want to see all the Mario characters appear in a game and fleshed out for once. It's an opportunity they can't miss imho

>>386162991
Really Lynn? I'd say Elma is a more likely candidate.

>>386161764
Wow. That was cringe inducing.

>>386163184
>>Triggered As a reference to actual PTSD, not triggered losing its meaning because we're mocking Tumblr

Tumblr did that to itself

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This guy wins my vote.

>>386163454
>Calling /v/ OC cringe-inducing on /v/
Like. Pottery.

>>386162501
How is she a Mary Sue? Does she save herself?

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Lucina for sure. Either a girl really wished she could be Marth or a guy designer wanted to dick Marth super bad but that would be gay
She's too perfect and a savior character. Her only flaw in-game is picking out bad clothing

>>386163430
I'm glad Rosalina, as far as I know, hasn't been a damsel in distress, but I think they should stop the "kidnap Peach" plots for a while and keep having multiple playable characters like 3D World did.
Hell, even the Galaxy games had playable Luigi. Different moves give also different ways to tackle obstacles, thus more replayability.
Fuck Toad. Replace him with Rosalina. 2 men 2 women team.

>>386158814
It's fucking Hyrule Warriors, a musou. It's as non-canon as it can get.

>>386163868
You could also list how she is as interesting as a piece of cardboard, and seems to like just fucking around instead of doing what she came to do.
Though all of the future children suffer from it (with Laurent wanting to grab the cake for being most useless), but Lucina might suffer it from the most since the plot focuses on her.

And on the subject of Awakening, I'd say Robin counts. Though the same goes for all the self inserts aside from Mark.

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>>386163868
They brought in a new girl to the team with Awakening, didn't they?
And she was responsible for the "casual mode" and many of the characters, including Lucina.
So I say it is fair to call Lucina her Mary Sue.
I can't exactly hate that girl, though, since the regular mode was still in the game, and Tharja is one of my favorite characters.

>>386163804
In the sense that's she pure hearted and adored by everyone, how she's meant to be seen as flawless and special aside getting kidnapped all the time.

>>386164263

Casual was added in 11 iirc.

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>>386162401
We've attained the Corn point, this thread is over bois.
This guy is so much of a Gary Stu that he got into Smash over every single good choice.

>>386164464
12, along with the demon known as Kris

>>386164464
12.
Though since that one never made it outside Japan, everyone mistakenly thinks that Awakening introduced Casual Mode.

>>386164557
While Corrin does qualify, his smash inclusion was just an advert, so it wasn't that bad, in a theory.

>>386162401
Corrin is a fucking terrible character. (S)He's a total bitch but everyone trusts him/her to lead the army and be their main strategist despite the fact that (s)he has no actual experience doing so, being locked up in a castle for most of his/her life. Not to mention all the special snowflake powers like the chainsaw sword and the ability to turn into a dragon that nobody bats an eye at. People only like him/her because muh self insert, and even then F!Corrin severely outranks M!Corrin on every popularity poll on the merit of "she's cute."

>>386163184
>>special snowflake
How has special snowflake been corrupted?

>>386164740
I was honestly surprised the whole dragon thing didn't play a bigger role in the story.

>>386157701
She is not a mart sue, Rosalina id a deity.
But she is kinda shity, she got her shit stolen by Bowser twice, and she sees to have omnipresence whit her cosmic clones,thats one big fuckup from her part.

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>>386164740
>on the merit of "she's cute."
Feet.

>>386164945
Given all the messing around regarding the story, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bigger point in some previous draft.

Remember when Fates was supposed to have multiple big choices in it that would've actually mattered, instead of just the "Do you buy version X or Y?"... If only.

>>386163449

At least Elma is "just" a good fighter from what i have seen thus far (Chapter 8). I do admit i am biased though because i dislike the genius child trope and her "Tatsu is food xD" jokes are incredibly irritating.
I would be lying if i said i cared for Elma either. Thus far the secondary party members are much more endearing.

>>386164062
The game could've worked just fine without Lana and could've instead included actual Zelda characters like Malon and Saria

>>386165878
Only OCs were Lana, Linkle and the bad guys, sperg.

>>386165858
She's far more than just a good fighter. I won't spoil, but you'll see what I mean, she's considered the best of the best in damn near everything. And I completely agree about the Tatsu food jokes and secondary characters.

>>386165981
And Lana was the only one to get three weapons and an absurd amount of costumes

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>>386166082
>sariafags are still mad after three years and have to make up reasons to justify it
Link has 7 weapons and Zelda has 3 as well, plus she got two unique extra costumes which is hardly "and absurd amount".

>>386166674
>Giving Lana a Skull Kid costume instead of actually putting in Skull Kid

The correct number should have been zero. There was no reason for her to exist.

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>>386166824
But Skull Kid is in the game, autismo.
And there's no reason for Skull Kid to help anyone.

>>386166824
>waah waah my shitty waifu isn't in the game
Also Skull Kid is literally in the game you retarded piece of shit.

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>>386167041
>But Skull Kid is in the game, autismo.

Only later. It's still a reminder of how many characters were deliberately shafted to make Lana look better

>And there's no reason for Skull Kid to help anyone.

There's no reason for Lana to exist at all.

>>waah waah my shitty waifu isn't in the game

But my favorite Zelda girl is in the game dipshit. Saria's not even top 3.

I still fucking love Hyrule Warriors. But Lana was so fucking cringey everytime she showed up.

>>386167250
>If they didnt add new characters people would've complained they were lazy
>If they did, they're """"Mary Sues"""""
Poor game devs.

>>386167250
>There's no reason for Lana to exist at all
They needed characters that could bring all the worlds together and so they made Cia and Lana. Or would you rather have Tetra and Skull Kid become dimension wizards instead?

>how many characters were deliberately shafted to make Lana look better
lol

>>386167771
>>If they didnt add new characters people would've complained they were lazy

They added other new characters who weren't lazy and actually derived off of established Zelda material like Volga and Wizzro. Cia was amusing as an insert for every horny fangirl. I don't like Linkle, but acknowledge the fact that the idea of a "female" Link had been thrown around a lot by fans

Lana on the other contributes nothing at best and hurts the game at worst.

>>386167771
>If they didnt add new characters people would've complained they were lazy
I like Lana but you know he's going to get you with "but it's a crossover, there shouldn't be any original characters."

>>386167947
Cia could've worked on her own. She didn't need a J-pop idol as her "good half"

>>386167962
Lana was the Oracle standin. Her weapons are based on Nayru's Love, Din's Fire, and Farore's Wind.

>>386168146
Citation? I don't see it on its own.

That doesn't help your argument much even if it is true because those are other Zelda characters who should've been in (and yes, I'm aware of the capcom lawsuit)

>>386168286
>capcom lawsuit
What? Explain.

>>386168526
Capcom sued KT years ago over some sort of alleged patent infringement. It's the most likely reason that the Capcom games and their characters were not referenced by Hyrule Warriors in any capacity

>>386159734
> Mary Sue IS A SELF INSERT

You should learn what you're talking about before spewing shit out of your mouth. Self-inserting your own definition doesn't make it reality.

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Surprised no one posted this yet.

>>386162401
>>386164740
Azura could probably count as well. She fulfills many similar qualifications as Corrin.

>>386162501
This. There are different ways to be a mary sue. Granted I hesitate to call her a mary sue, I just think she'd be closer to one than Rosalina. Peach's purity, her ability to make everyone who isn't a villain (aside from Bowser) fall totally in love with her and how she's the chosen one for about a dozen different things got really old. Definitely puts her over Rosalina just being a space goddess that triggers Daisyfags.

>>386168286
I don't know if anyone's cited it officially, but it's pretty self evident.

The book uses Lanayru's lightning and Nayru's barriers. Plus it's the basis for her design, having Nayru's blue hair and Lana being derived from Lanayru. The summoning gate is a fire weapon that works by dancing (like Din). The deku staff summons the Deku Tree (Farore hung out in a tree) and the Deku Leaf (the wind part).

>>386168872
Read the thread, under-age.
The term Mary Sue originated in the Star Trek fandom as shorthand for "female author self-insert", after a parody fic of that phenomena.
This is how terms loss meaning, like epic, weeaboo or the word meme itself.

>>386169089
But Mary Sue still has a clear meaning. You just don't like it

>>386168916
>Peach's purity, her ability to make everyone who isn't a villain (aside from Bowser) fall totally in love with her and how she's the chosen one for about a dozen different things
Okay, now tell me which developer is Peach supposef to be a stand-in for.

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>>386169209
>The name "Mary Sue" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie's Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality.
>Self-Insert
>regardless of role or percieved quality

>>386169218
Knock it off, nobody goes by this definition except for you.

>>386169316
>1974

Exactly

>>386169218
Not a developer, but Miyamoto's waifu.

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>>386168146
lawsuit or not. Lana just couldn't replace an actual oracle character.
I would of loved to see the oracles , veran , maple , ralph or even the animal helpers in hyrule warriors

>>386169325
More like only newfags use it as shorthand for "character I dont like"
>>386169384
So, the meaning is irrelevant because the origin is old? Hello, Reddit.

>>386157701
Her fans SUCK because they insult every other female character. Like come on, how are you to hate on a character for not being fleshed out as yours you elitist fag? It's not their fault that the creators choose to neglect them and focus on that character instead because its creator wanted it. Peach has had great characterization and arguably better personality than Rosalina IMHO in the RPGs.

Pauline has been neglected for years up until now, and what we see of her is interesting. Daisy hasn't had any major characterization in the games yet but what we can see from outside sources is also there, however harder to find. I WANT to see the other female characters fleshed out to the extent or more Rosalina has, I can bet you there wouldn't be this unfair elevation of said character by the fans (and maybe the company?) that comes of "Mary Sueish" like you said. So I don't understand WHY a vocal minority of people against it.
>>386168916
Not just Daisyfags, Rosalina's fans act presumptuous and arrogant over any of the girl's fanbases for the reason I stated for better treatment overall and better character development. This means every other girl (because only girls can compete with other girls) gets the brunt of the stick. Even Wario and Waluigi fans can have some resentment as well because of this. I say this as a Wario fan myself

>>386169421
Still, then she's not a Mary Sue, but Miyamoto's waifu then.

>>386169680
>So, the meaning is irrelevant because the origin is old? Hello, Reddit.

That's just it. It's an "origin". Not a rigid, unchangeable definition that can't evolve or be clarified with the invention of something as significant as, say, the internet

http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm

There are now litmus tests to determine if a character is a Mary Sue and to what degree they're guilty of it. Self-inserting is one criteria but not the only one

>>386169761
>Peach has had great characterization and arguably better personality than Rosalina IMHO in the RPGs.

I'll never forgive the RPGs for going to shit the moment Rosalina was introduced. They could've done so much with her

>>386169953
Usually the only criteria around here is flat out "I don't like her".

>>386170139
Which is why the OP warns against it

>>386169421
>>386169779
But Miyamoto doesn't care that much about Peach aside using her an excuse to get the games to start.

>>386170195
Yes, real ones.
Lucina for example is one for being the new girl's self insert.
King Rhoam is Aonuma's Gary Stu for being his self-insert.

>>386170340
>King Rhoam is Aonuma's Gary Stu for being his self-insert.

You keep discrediting yourself by saying this.

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>I can do everything better than literally anyone else
>I am perfect in every single aspect and can get any girl I want
>Everyone is obsessed with me and would cease to function without my presence
>Do I even have to mention the plot twist?

>>386170432
He confirmed it. The old man is his self-insert and he wrote all his lines because he wantef to talk to the players.
As such, per definition, the old man is his self-insert, ergo, his Gary Stu.

>>386170432
Best to stop replying to him, he isn't going to change his opinion any time soon.
Or stops baiting, either one.
There's got to be some reason he stays in this thread despite getting slammed down constantly, whatever that is.

>>386170594
Only through your obsolete definition. Rhoam is a minor character who nobody but you would call a Gary Stu.

>>386170701
>Slammed down
Why do you children refuse to admit you've been misusing the term?

>>386170718
>Obsolete definition
This is how languages and dialects die.

>>386170505
That's literally every Persona MC, though.

>>386170864
>This is how languages and dialects die.

Dictionaries are added to and altered constantly.

>>386170990
Because those in charge have gotten less strict.

>>386171078
As they should be in this modern age of free communication. Language is governed by those who speak it

>>386171218
>Ruled by illiterate imbeciles who talk like "lol how r u 2day wuz gud"
What a fucking horrible time to be alive.

>>386169761
Yeah this sounds like someone being salty as fuck over her getting more attention compared to someone you feel 'deserved it' more.

You say Peach has great characterization, but if that even is the case, it's only because she's been around for so much longer. If Rosalina got more screentime to flesh her out, you'd just turn around and complain about her being a Lightning I'd bet.

And no, I don't see these Rosalinafags doing much more than standard waifufags except in regards to Daisy. And don't even try to pretend that's one-sided in any way.

I'll never not find it funny how people get so mad about Rosalina when Nintendo has been picking up popular characters to give more attention to for a long time. Yoshi got his own game before SMW even came out as I recall, and Wario got his own series. Much of the animosity at Rosalina simply seems to be because she's a female and thus 'overshadowed' their favorite.

>>386151495
Not enough porn of her.

>>386171403
I think the obvious answer is to coin the term Mary Sue Like so we can get through this Mary Sue Gate.

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>>386171792
Hey, I actually agree with this.

>>386171456
And you sound like someone who's waifu is Rosalina, or at the least you got your dick hard to her more than once and have some sort of emotional connection to her.

Fuck off.

>>386171792
It's not like we really have to do anything to the term. Meanings of words and terms evolve, like it or not, and as of now, we can just go with "Are often self-inserts." at the end of the definition. There.
Not like it that much of a Gate, since we only have one single stubborn person here arguing against everyone else...

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>>386171456
>>386171986

In-denial waifufags BTFO

>>386171986
>have nothing to say beyond "FUCK OFF YOU'RE A ROSALINAFAG!"
You sure told me.

>>386170505
>>I am perfect in every single aspect and can get any girl I want
Then they all shit on you at Valentines.