What was Kojima thinking?

> I was born in a small village...

He wasn't.

>>386115684

Remember the ayylmao.

>>386115684
>What was Kojima thinking?-

Thank god, I can finally take this piece of shit series out of my hands.

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>Its another storyfags being trigger because it didn't have the "killing younglings" fanfic they wanted episode

>>386115684
He wasn't. He's a hack that fucks Joost and drinks instead of making games.
Death Stranding will be just shitty MGS-clone that will sell only because it has his name on it.
Sony literally doesn't need to work him on anything, just say that it's "HIDEO KOJIMA's GAME".

>>386115684
I never cringed so hard at a videogame. God this game was bad.
>>386117076
>Thinking that is the problem
>Not just animeposting, posts horrible anime

>>386117076
The problem isn't the ebin twist by the mere virtue of being an ebin twist, the problem is that the ebin twist is shit

>Skullface prepares his epic speech for years
>finally meets Big Boss
>"holy shit this is going to be great"
>"I was born in a small village..."
>finish the speech
>wait for his reaction
>no reaction at all
>he finally starts talking
>"hey mind if I put some music?"
>he turns the radio on
>"I'd prefer i-"WHOOOOOOAAAAAA
Being Skullface is suffering

>>386118715
What's even worse it's the same speech as in one of tapes form Ground Zero

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>One godzillion dorrar mocap
>The conversations that could have had nice mocap reactions are all on tapes

Literally just bought this a few hours ago, havent even rescued Kaz yet but I'm having fun.

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>>386115684
>guy with eyepatch, mechanical arm and a devil horn
>zombified zorro
why are the gooks so autistic? all that's missing is some supernatural mentally fucked up child that wears a spooky mask for no apparent reason. why didn't you think of that kojima lmao

>>386115684

His fans didn't understand the clear intent he had when writing MGS4 - to simultaneously mock and exploit them. So he tried to do it again with even less subtlety.

I liked the game a lot. I think if the unrealistic story annoyed you, you are not been a fan of the series. The gameplay was great too.

>>386119565
Kojimmy probably thought ' they won't know skullface is the bad guy, better put a villain mask on him to be sure'
As for venom I have no idea what he was thinking it's so fucking tacky

>>386115684
>What was Kojima thinking?
how to get away after spending videogame budget konami gave him on whores and hollywood celebrities

>>386116424
Seriously though, what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>386119480
Just how? What made you decide to get it now?

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>>386115684
He thought this would be another 'ladder' moment. He fucked up. Like he fucked up all the other things he was responsible for in MGSV like story and characters. Fuck.

>>386118715
It wasn't even the real Big Boss.

And by the way why do we hate this game? Gameplay is good you know

>>386119854
Considering it got nice reviews and made a fuckload of money, it seems it all went right.

>>386115684
The best thing about MGSV was all the MGS3 edits with skullface it spawned.

I think I was about 1/3 way though the game when i read somewhere that you aren't playing as the real Big Boss, and I instantly lost motivation to continue,

The missions were also starting to get repetitive

MGS4 was better than this game imo, it at least has a story constantly moving forward, and all the areas are different.

I got addicted to playing because I wanted to unlock the silenced sniper but once I got it it became too easy and I lost all interest in the game

>>386121714
> it at least has a story constantly moving forward
Yeah, into a complete disaster that destroyed the entire plot of MGS.
MGSV is a game that dissapointed me because it was unfinished, MGS4 is game that I wish it was unfinished.

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>>386121553

>>386121826
>using weapons
baka

>>386115684
Just put "Friday im in love" on and have a date trip with Skullface

Reminder. This sequence was supposed to take place in the underground facility of OKB Zero. No music. Just this convo while you tour the entire facility and then another third of game.

>>386121107
>repetitive as fuck
>empty enviroments
>long ass loading times
>mother base for what?
>le final twist shit
Kojima is hit and miss, Mgs5 is a miss.

>>386122373

How is that song even in the game when it came out like 6-7 years after V takes place

>>386123297
It actually came out sooner, but the patriots stopped it from spreading

It's not entirely on him. It was unrefined because he was rushed and tensions were very high between konami and kojima. It was just a shitty situation, and so naturally it resulted in a shitty game. I am pretty bummed that the mgs franchise had to end on such a sour note though, but what can you do?

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>>386121889
>>386121553

They need to salvage the engine and make a Battle Royale game with it.

PUBG is good, but it's missing the polish that only a major Videogame company can provide.

>>386124294
Going open world was a massive mistake in the first place though, who wanted that in MGS? It also ended up being pointless, there is nothing interesting about the open world and it gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever because once you are at the mission area, you are locked into it. Might as well just make it separate missions GZ style. But the thing with open world style is that you have to be thrown out into the open again after a mission and it just feels like nothing happened at all.

>how do I retcon Big Boss who I have gained a massive boner for over the years from being an evil villain in MG?
>Oh I know I'll pull the single most retarded hamfisted excuse out of my ass!

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This charicter is agressively forgettable.

>>386115684
Avoiding getting killed by the local mafia and konami, probably.

>>386124749
How did V keep Big Boss from being an evil villain?
If anything Kojima kept us from playing one by not letting us play Big Boss, instead we built up a zoo and kindergarden as a shitty decoy boss while real Boss was not interested in saving children per se, he just wanted to make soldiers out of them.

>>386125045
Because the bad guy Metal Gear 1 Big Boss isn't the real Big Boss.

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>all these nerds mad they didn't get their fanfiction

>>386119683
At least mgs4 was finished. Nothing exploitative about mgs4

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>>386125850
My respect for Kojima has grown enormously with MGSV, the guy doesn't give a shit about what his autistic fanbase want. Pandering is disgusting.

>>386126308
He has never pandered, it's just that what you deliver instead has to be good, which was not the case.

>>386126630
>He has never pandered
MGS4

>>386126783
does that count tho? he wanted to deliberately ruin the franchise with mgs4

>>386121394
It had MGS and Kojima name on it of course it sold well.

>>386119904
pretty sure he was addressing his own men, if they kill Snake then and there without a proper fighting chance then he'll become a matyr and XOF will become a world target

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>put on my best zorro mask
>rehearse this for fucking days
>alright, the dumb motherfucker actually showed up
>alright, going for a jeep ride. Sort of different than what I was expecting but improvising a little won't hurt
>go into my monologue, going great so far
>wait
>is he actually fucking around on his iphone
>he's not saying jack shit
>keep it together
>now the driver puts on something from his Celine Dion mixtape and blares it at full volume -- something about words that kill or some shit

>my ears are actually burning from embarrassment and I have that whole body cringe that happens when you do something really fucking stupid

>just kill me

>>386121854
>destroyed the entire plot of MGS
It didn't though. You can still like the characters from MGS3 if the Patriots thing was your issue, MGS4 isn't telling you not to like them, in fact, it wants you to feel sorry for them if the epilogue is anything to go by.
It isn't telling you to feel sorry for Big Boss, you can still hate him for being a fucking retard.
You can still interpret Ocelot as being a spirit medium who actually was Liquid in MGS2 but got rid of him in MGS4 by replacing the arm.
MGS4 still is and always will be a better conclusion and will always have some of the best moments in the series.

>>386125045
The MG1 Big Boss is just a 2-Dimensional villain. In MG2, you can kinda see Big Boss in a sympathetic light.

>>386119904
I always thought his point was "Remember those guys who tried to stand up to a superior force and all died? Yeah, don't be those guys"

>>386126308
>>386126630

Except he pandered enormously to casuals and people who didn't like the long cutscenes of 4 by putting all of the fucking story in tapes. Fuck off.

>>386130180

No, if he pandered he would have put more Gaz raep in the game and with better male voice actors, she was pretty good already.

>>386118715
Then what should Big Boss do? Say bad things? No sense, silence is silver.

>>386124294
>7 years in development
>he was rushed
LOL_______________

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>>386124826

>Demand Supplyman
>Top Kekman
>Pretty Goodman

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THIS IS THE ENEMY
AND HE'S HERE ON HIS KNEES

>>386115684
reminder that Kojima never worked on the codecs and instead did the awful B-movie plot parts of Metal Gear. Kojima never wrote a single moment like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOUeR1v5uZ4 in the entire decade he became Japanese George Lucas for. MGS4, PW, and V are fucking jokes

>>386115684
Why the fuck is Kazuhira "If I spot a nigger, I'll pull the trigger" Miller the only character in MGS V that was written properly?
Revolver Ocelot was just there, because plot reasons. He didn't have anything interesting about him.
Quiet was in the game just for jerking off.
Skullface was like a cartoon villian compared to what he did in Ground Zeroes.
And Venom literally had like one interesting speech and nothing more.

>>386130708
Huey did nothing wrong. He was framed for everything he was accused of with a bullshit tape my whore lover made.

>>386121107
>Gameplay is good
2 maps
Recycled outposts
Empty spaces
2 weapons that you'll realistically use
50% of your income is tied to online
Online connection slows down your idroid
Enemy AI on par with a bottle of detergent
Buddy system
Watered down cqc

It's okay, but not enough to save the game.

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>>386115684
He wasn't. He spent the entire development time on Quiet.

Quiet was cringe even for me. Fuck MGS5.

Kojima doesn't think. He only feels.

>>386131804
Quiet was so fucking worthless as a character. We could have had grizzly old Big Boss training Sniper Wolf, but no we got this pile of hot shit instead.

>>386131218
Peace Walker was cool though, but people don't get it

>>386131218
Black Arts Viper is unironically a better Skull Face. Or actually, more accurate to say that Skull Face was a shitty Viper. But I suppose the difference here is one was done by the actual writer of the MGS games in a handheld spin-off, the other was written by a hack fraud who had 7 years and a 80 million+ dollar budget

>>386131498
Huey was well written but we never had a conclusion to his story. It finishes in the middle without finding out what really happened and why he did what he did

Game is unfinished as fuck we could have gotten Chico
I really wonder about a reality when MGSV was finished properly

>>386130180
He didn't pander to anyone, he just did his game about loss, ptsd and schizophrenia.
Tapes take codec calls' place.

>>386115684

I liked that moment.

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>>386130180
>CASUALS REEEEEEEEEEE
Sorry you didn't get your fanfiction, you can always "re-play" MGS4 though.

>>386119904
Colonel volgin said it in snake eater

>>386131218
christ this codec makes me so fucking mad how Naomi was ruined in 4 what the fuck happened?

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Why are people pissing on Kojimbo?
Are you fags pretending that Konami never put him in solitary confinement?

>>386131630
>Enemy AI on par with a bottle of detergent
My sides.

>>386132049
>It finishes in the middle without finding out what really happened and why he did what he did
I believe he was a traitor in the game so people would stop feeling bad for him.
He died the shittiest way possible.
He drowned himself after getting cucked by his own son.
>>386132367
>wanting some things explained in the story is now "fan fiction"
How retarded are you?

>>386120002
He probably bought the complete edition, it's much smaller filesize wise and contains all the DLC on disk.

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>>386130561
This, Venom handled it like a true Boss.
You don't act tough if you are not in the right position.

>>386131498

Blame a) Konami for preventing the game to be finished b) Kojima for being slow as fuck while developing games c) the games media for saying Ground Zeroes was too dark and complaining about the vagina bomb

They literally had to dial it back because so many people complained about Ground Zeroes' being too dark. I think most people forgot the shitstorm that happened when that was out.

>>386121107
>gameplay
It's like a shittier far cry 3

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>>386131630
>tfw playing it right now
only thing that keeps me remotely interested in this shit desu.

>>386132146

Ironically, the game being unfinished enhanced the feeling of phantom pain, which was the leit motif of the game, in ways that the finished product would never be able to do.

Whether you liked MGS V or felt disappointed after playing it, you'll never be able to stop thinking about what it could have been if it was 'whole'.

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>>386132538
>he want everything to be explicitly explained

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>>386130180
This. MGS5 tried to go more casual with open world and the online FOB stuff. It is also pretty light on story and exposition. You don't have to concentrate or think. The game is just a big sandbox mode. Literally.


Is cool, the game just isn't for me and that is fine.

>>386133169
>those fags that defend fobshit
shaking my head

>>386131867
Yeah. I mean if Kojiima had just been HONEST about wanting to fuck a model that'd be great.

I just can't take this game seriously at all.

>>386133338
The FOBs sounded amazing back during the E3 demos when some Konami demonstrator mentioned that everyone would get to personally customize the layout of their FOBs, so theoretically you'd have almost infinite variations of FOB level design.

Too bad they scrapped that and filled the bases with bullshit levels of security to make attacking a chore instead of fun sneaking.

>>386130708
BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THE PLOT CONTINUITY INTACT

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>>386133169
>FOBs
>casual

>>386115684
How long do I have to wait for the fucking Gob/Meg suits to get released? Goddamnit

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>>386133673
>fobnigger
lul

>>386133801
They're already in the game files, that recent update put them in. I think when the new FOB event rotations comes around they'll be available.

If you have the Infinite Heaven mod on PC you can actually access them on the Appearance Menu

>>386115684
>actually making it past the intro before screaming this question while bleeding from the nose and ears

You may be a faggot but you're still a stronger man than I, OP.

>>386133918
If it happens to be the event with those armored niggers then its not going to be fun, not to mention the week long dev time just to get them. Console btw

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Kojima cried when he watched the Lego Batman movie, why are you worshipping this nip who has clearly lost his edge and has shit taste in everything

>>386134060
Armor Skulls are easy as piss if you have the Brennan

>>386134332
I know those are piss easy I was meaning the battlesuit wearing shits on the FOBs. I can't be fucked sneaking around 1-3 platforms of that shit. I'd rather it be the skulls since it takes a couple of shots from a grade 5 Carl Gustav to render them dead af.

>>386121107
Why do you assume? Most people here aren't total faggots and they accept the game for what it is.

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>>386115684
>>386119565
>that zorro mask

seriously what was kojima thinking?

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>>386128780
>kojima writes a shit game
>He was just pretending, he wanted to deliberately sink the series!

>>386121107
nu/v/aggots over-exaggerating as usual

it's not the best in the series but it's not the worst one either

>>386134508
He's wearing it to hide the fact that he's infected with his own virus and he's now forced to use the language he hate so much.

>>386129571
Fucking hell I'm dying over here

>>386116424
>>386119904
>>386129081
>>386130010
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/remember-the-alamo-

>>386119565

To his credit, he thought of a naked woman that breathes through her skin and doesn't talk because of parasites.

>>386132835
You really can't blame Kojima for taking his time though. He's a great dev and good games take time. It's entirely Konami that kept it from being better. Their bullshit deadlines combined with their completely unreasonable contracts caused the game to be released unfinished.

>>386132405
/v/ in general doesn't understand game development

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>>386119565
Trust Shinkawa to take the most generic western stereotype of the white male soldier and make it one of the most iconic designs to ever happen to gaming. There's a reason for the meme of shopping the shrapnel horn, three-stringed eye-patch and facial scars on top of 'punished' figures.

>>386135345
Just by reading this post I can see you don't know much about big companies.
It doesn't matter if the whole world worships you, if you can't do something in time while not going over budget then you get the fuck out.
Kojima fucked up because he couldn't understand this concept.

>>386124826
Is he? He was such a meme for his short appearances I remembered him.


His introduction was way too grandiose for a minor character in a suit who has like 8 minutes of screen time.

>>386135724
I see you don't understand much about game development. Konami got greedy and just wanted to get the game out so they could cash out. Kojima needed more time to finish the game and get the fine details ironed out. That's what he did with every other game in the franchise.

he thought it would be an iconic moment in videogame history

he really is a hack, i do NOT understand the praise for kojima - and this is coming from someone whos favourite ps1 game was MGS 1

>>386135894
I see you would get fired from a job within your first year.

>>386136016
Yup because I'd want to take my time and do it right instead of just the bare minimum

>>386136085
I'm glad you finally understand.
Kojima couldn't.

>>386122614
Source pls.

>>386115684
This isn't how the scene was supposed to play out, they were going to be inside Skullface's base.

>>386135942
>made mg1, 2, snatcher, policenauts, zoe1 and 2, as well as mgs1-4, mga, mgo and gave the idea for mgr
>made 2 bad games in a series he wanted to end 3 games prior
>HACK
Autism

>>386117076

>implying it was not an empty open world with ripetive and boring side quests

>>386136016
How do you think Kojima managed to last almost 30 years at Konami if he's supposedly clueless about budgets and deadlines?

>>386135894
>Kojima needed more time
Then he was a moron for thinking Konami would keep letting him ignore deadlines on their dime and an extra moron for leaving the key parts of the game for the late stages of development.

>>386136406
Well, MGS V is a good example.

People who are saying Kojima needed more time do realize that this just makes him look worse? Theoretically, MGSV would've been the same length as MGS4, 5 Chapters, and an Epilogue and Prologue, since the Lord of the Flies chapter didn't seem conclusive, and there were accurate leaks that had 5 chapters.
So, Kojima made the game up as he went along, and didn't design the beginnings and endings first, which is the best plan as people remember the beggining and ending more than the shit middle, and MGSV had a fucking shitty middle already, cutting it down would've been a positive if we got more actual story

>>386136212
/v/ of course.

I was thinking last night, how fucking lame could you be when making these middle school level references to Lord of the Flies, and 1984? 1984 especially was lackluster at the very least, those nonsensical posters, and double think are the only things to actually be explored, and both on a severely surface level. A perfect setting for many of the themes of the book, but none of them are explored any further than a high school essay.

If the narrative was even half good, I'd still think Kojima was awesome and that all his games are good- but this, as stupid as it seems when nano machines are somewhere, this mishandling of V, and this really surface level understanding of light literature makes me think you can only count on the guy to block and shoot a scene.

>>386136778
But the game wouldn't have been a 9/10 without the animal conservation platform!

There's a lot of fat that could have been cut back in the design stages. Those features are cool but they shouldn't have come before finishing the actual game.

>>386137370
Holy shit, collecting those animals for 100% gave me PTSD, I never want to replay MGSV

Jeep Ride
- Immediately go into first person person view as they get into the jeep
- Skull Face's entire conversation is motion capped, with expressive movements
- Snake quips back during the conversations with comments like in the first couple of tapes, giving the conversation a James Bond talking to villain feel
- Sins of the Father is playing quietly in the background the entire ride
- At the point that it gets to the part where Skull Face pauses, camera goes back to 3rd person
- 3rd person reveals massive amounts of Tanks, Helicopters, walker gears, and soldiers to show the scope of Skullfaces army. Possibly nukes being hauled too.
- Sahelanthropus shows up near the last part of the song right before Skull Faces talks again

>>386135894
The cognitive dissonance is real.

He takes years to finish the game, goes way over budget building an open world engine that ended up being worse than the demo game map and hires Hollywood actors to satisfy his autism, all while Konami was trying to transition out of the video game market. In the end he couldn't even finish the game, they were completely justified in dropping that dead weight. Konami does not exist to fund Kojima's personal playtime.

>>386139685
>hires Hollywood actors to satisfy his autism
which, sutherland? who else did he hire for in mgsv that is a "hollywood actor"? avi arad, the producer for the mgs movie made this suggestion for snake, probably with plans himself to hire sutherland for the film. it wasn't just to "satisfy his autism," as you say.

It was a rushed, unfinished game that didn't get the polish that was needed.

>>386135345

They gave the man 5 years and tons of money to make his game. They could have respected the legacy of the franchise and let him finish this one before firing him, sure, but 5 years is too much.

Kojima taking too long and going overbudget while at it is why they decided to sell GZ separately, yo try to recoup development costs. Kojima needed the boot in his ass, as much as I like his work.

>>386139685
So their only real money maker is dead weight? What franchise that's worth a bulls cock does Konami even have anymore?

>>386141167
While I do wish Kojima would get more efficient at making games, he knows very well what he's doing. His games are a piece of himself and you can tell by how enigmatic and, at times, absolutely retarded they are. I guarantee had they given him at least another year, even another month, MGSV would have been one of the greatest games ever made.

>>386141404

I have no doubt about that and I do agree it was a shitty move to just say to him "wrap it up" considering his history with the company and the fact he was making a very ambitious game, but Kojima needed to realize early on that money isn't infinite and that shareholders want results. He let his ego take over and got too cocky while making an open world game, something he had no prior experience with. Building Fox Engine from the ground up for an open world game, which is already a challenge in itself, wasn't the right thing to do at the time.

It's not a surprise he decided to go with an existing engine this time for Death Stranding. I think he knows he tried to bite more than he could chew with MGS V + Fox Engine development.

>>386141404
>more efficient
The issue isn't efficiency, it's poor planning. If Kojima's vision of the game needed more time and money than Konami was willing to provide, he needed to adjust that vision. If Kojima just assumed that Konami would keep giving him more until it was done then his ego had grown too large to see the reality of the situation, especially if it's true that Konami execs were already tired of dealing with him.

Kojima didn't get enough time to finish MGS5 defense posters.

I have a hard time believing it took more than a week to write and design the "dude blow up some electric pole in a desert then evac a POW" 10 times. The glaring problems with MGS5 were present as soon as the game was coming together in Act 1, he knew he fucked up and the defenders don't wanna put the blame on Kojima, but on Konami as a publisher.

Konami doesn't make games anymore and for them to sink their last remaining money making game series was unlikely up to a certain point. Had Hideo Koima not been busy making sure the PS4 version of his game has dynamic cloud, maybe he could have focused more on the gameplay than lens flare cinematics or planning the entire concept of the game on the avatar twist. MGS4 could be bad, but it will always be a Metal Gear game.

I don't even know what to think of MGS5 after 200 hours besides a disappointment, but not a Metal Gear game that's for sure. Even the codec conversions are so stale you can't distinguish them from the most boring Wikipedia articles read to you non-stop. Yeah it's realistic but who gives a fuck it's boring shit you can look up on Wikipedia.

>>386115684
This isn't my biggest gripe
>Konami confirms there isn't a chapter 3 but some unknown surprise is waiting for players who disarm and it isn't he nuclear disarmament scene; a direct download is waiting once all nukes in a given platform is disarmed
>ie of Xbox one disarms everything then everyone else on other platforms achieve disarmament including Xbox one users
>chuckle fucks continue to make nukes even though you can't nuke other players
Literally the most incompetent fan base in the face of this ducking planet

>in b4 what's the secret

It's allegedly, according to Japanese rumors, a never before scene and secret mission to revisit ground zeroes and a secret ending pertaining to ground zeroes. Again, this is just a Japanese rumor. For all we know it could be players unlocking the Kojima emblem that's been locked away and a message from him saying he never left konami.

>>386125850
What fanfiction?

>>386142437

Dude, not even those that defend Kojima say the bulk of the development was spent designing missions, are you crazy?

It's reasonable to think that they spent most of the development time creating the Fox Engine from the ground up and optmizing it for PS3, PS4, X360, Xbone and PC. It looks and runs really well, is extremely flexible, isn't heavy on specs, can be adapted to many styles of gameplay (see PES) etc. Plus, there's the whole online deal, which must have taken a long time as well to code.

Story was written, storyboard was drawn and dialogue was recorded, but the actual cutscenes and scripted gameplay missions were the things left behind.

>>386116424
>>386119904
If the MGS2 localization is anything to go by, Hideo Kojima thinks he's genius for referencing foreign events to his staff or use of English words. It was Bioware level delivery and completely unnecessary to the conversation. It stinks high hell of "US AMERICANS KNOW WHAT HE MEANS, AM I RIGHT MY FELLOW AMERICANS".

From one of the MGS2 translators
>Finally having an inside source on the matter, I ask about the Nerd/Node piece of dialogue in the game. Looking over the original Japanese file shows that 'nerd' was written in Romaji (English letters), while above it, in smaller Katakana-based Furigana (which is usually written in Hiragana and placed above difficult to pronounce Kanji), was the phonetic Japanese word for nerd, and then besides this in brackets were the Japanese equivalents, including the word 'otaku'.

>Even as a non-native Japanese speaker, the original set-up for this one line seemed awkward. Agness explained, "Regarding node vs. nerd, I do not remember that particularly. However, I do remember a general pattern of attempts to kick it American-style in the original. I felt it was essentially juvenile name-dropping, whether it was 'hey, I speak English, look!' puns like this one, or knowing references to mushers and the NSA. The saddest joke is that Japanese nationals who actually know about this stuff - SDF officers, war journalists, sketchy wanderers - would have been amazing sources for an actual writer."

The alamo line is the same thing as the nerd line in MGS2. Kojima trying to fucking impress, bravo Kojima. I bet you 100 dollars he's on Twitter at this moment posting pictures of his food, figurines, or BLuray collection.

>>386142591
I thought the Nuclear disarmament was just the cutscenes datamined from the PC version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7VxGn7Piew

>>386124749
>how do I retcon Big Boss who I have gained a massive boner for over the years from being an evil villain in MG?
MGSV doesn't retcon anything about that, though. Big Boss still creates and operates Outer Heaven and Zanzibarland, and his goals are even mentioned once again via Ocelot. Nothing changed.

>>386130561
>"...a small village?"

>>386143083
>It's reasonable to think that they spent most of the development time creating the Fox Engine from the ground up and optmizing it for PS3, PS4, X360, Xbone and PC.

Sure, sure. The Fox Engine counts as part of the development cycle, that engine was made for PS3/360/PC. Then PS4/Xbox One support had to happen. Now with 5 platforms with all their own multiplayer, DLC, and save data importing from Ground Zeroes and what have you, the technical side grew even bigger. Which was unnecessary. Supporting that many platforms is like Mighty Number 9's biggest blunder of overstretching and going overbudget. They could have just done simple PS4 and X1 ports like PC, but Kojima just needed to ride the PS4's dick and remind everyone of how impressive the dynamic weathers and stars would be on the PS4. THAT is the biggest sin I still hold against him, because instead of getting this shit out planned and out the door faster, he needed to add more to the Fox Engine tech for the PS4.

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>>386115684
I liked it and think it's good.

Skull face was fun and full of drama, the plot was just fine, I particularly loved the truth tapes with him in it. Very well done on the whole. I don't understand the nitpicking with this scene either, it's like you fags don't understand tension or drama in scenes. You just spent a long time hunting him down, he was responsible for all the destruction of things, people, snakes and Kaz's states, etc, and now they're face to face. It's supposed to be a pretty big moment here. Of course it could be better but it isn't all that bad.

What's truly bad is there are still threads being made of you guys complaining like bitches 2 years later about how you either didn't understand or lack the creativity to have fun with this open ended game with flawless gameplay and unlimited room to operate.

>>386143104
>The alamo line is the same thing as the nerd line in MGS2.
Maybe a little, but there's also an obvious context that explains Skullface's line. It's not just a pun.

>>386129571
this might be old pasta but I'm loving it

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>>386143361
I feel bad for anyone who bought that collector's edition of MGS5 with that red hand. Or the people with that custom PS4.

A fucking reminder of falling for the hype and biggest lie from Hideo Kojima. Every day they look at their custom PS4, it's just disappointment of what could have been. Everyone else can delete it from their Steam libraries, digital game libraries on console, or just put away the game box. But not the PS4 special edition consoles. That shit stays with you because even though you're angry, you're not stupid enough to sell it just because of MGS5.

>>386143115
Nope, there's code that triggers a download from konamis core servers titled "GZ DOWNLOAD" and GZ FINISH.

What Kojima talked about of never done before in gaming was this. Fans coming together to disarm for a secret revisit to camp omega. That's the secret. We literally need 200 or so Xbox one users to disarm everything together so EVERYONE gets the secret download

Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter. We have like 314 nukes left, that's the lowest of all consoles. We were 115 last month

But Xbox and mgs fans are RETARDED. JUST GET IT OVER WITH JESUS CHRIST

>>386132372
This. Why does the non-bullshit truthful answer get overlooked?

>>386143361

Personally, I'd have preferred to see him refine the engine he used for MGS4, to make it run better (too many framedrops), if he wanted open world or work on a linear game while developing Fox Engine. He took two challenges and only managed to complete one (Fox Engine). The open world title should have come in a second cycle, after finishing the engine with one game.

>>386143558
>I speak for everyone

Kys. I still have my collector's edition box and the arm, they're cool pieces.

>mfw made a youtube parody of the red band trailer back when it was released and people are still watching this shit and leaving comments every week
Y-you gotta let go of the promised game anons. We got the real one, and it was shit, you need to move on.

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>>386143574
>Nope, there's code that triggers a download from konamis core servers titled "GZ DOWNLOAD" and GZ FINISH

please don't do this

>>386143558
maybe most people aren't overly dramatic pussies, though

>>386143574
oh and let me guess.

it will be revealed at E3 2018, right? :^)

get over it faggot

>>386143802

They're still updating the game because they know there's still stuff for people to find. Servers are on, just waiting for the nukes to be disarmed.

>>386143558
Got one, it's fucking beautiful. No matter how bad things get, I can always look in the mirror and say to myself ''thank god I'm not a nostalgiafaggot cancer''. Kill yourself my man, it's not gonna get better for you.

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>>386117076
>that pic

>>386143938
He's right about the GZ code though, it could mean anything though, like new camo fatigues or development items.

Can you name a more alpha character than Skull Face?
>Captures Paz and Chico
>Turns Paz into a whore and Chico into a man
>Breaks Chico by making him fuck Paz
>Has Paz's organs replace with a bomb and slides one more into her whore pussy
>BTFO's Big Boss and later Zero
Truly he was the alpha-est of dogs.

>>386143574
>>386143802
>>386143938
>>386144004
even if all xbox fans worked on getting the nuke count down, as long as there was one person vigilant enough to keep their nuke count up, it can't be done. the current blockade system fucks over anyone trying to do it. my thinking is blockades will be removed as the movie furthers in development. maybe something with survive. but konami isn't ready to let it happen yet. or they never put in another chapter, because PEACE DAY NEVER CAME.

>>386121107
The gameplay is pretty shitty actually.
The environments are bland and boring, open world stealth is easy as fuck due to not limiting the player in any way, the best missions in the game are ones that put you in limited but open (like MGS3) environments, like code talker.

>>386144250
>The environments are bland and boring
like very open world game ever.

>>386144224

>Dies to a medic with mental problems and one eye

Yeah, no

>>386143802
>please don't do this
(((((I))))) didn't do jack shit. The mgs community is the most toxic piece of shit there is. Somehow Xbox one users managed to be less toxic than other platforms who basically broke the fucking nuke count on their platforms. Xbox one is literally the only hope, if they get all nukes to 0 every platform gets some unknown special surprise straight from their servers besides the already in-game disarmament scene. We don't know what It is

IM FUCKINF FED UP WITH THIS FANBASE. JUST DISARM IT AND LET US CONTINUE LIFE. IT ISNT HARD TO GATHER 200-300 AUTIST XBONE USERS TO DISARM ALL NUKES HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Plus Ken Ichimori, Kojima's co-producer refuses to tell fans what the secret of mgsv is until this day on twitter. That should be more of an excuse to disarm but no

YOU CANT EVEN NUKE OTHER PLAYERS. WHATS THE FUCKING POINT, JUST DISARM EVERYHING. SHUT IT DOWN HOLY FUCK

>>386144080
so this is raven territory...

>>386144369
That doesn't mean MGSV is good.

>>386144224
>BTFO's Big Boss and later Zero
He doesn't BTFO either of them though, really. Zero was right to dismiss the parasites and already won since the Patriots system was well in place. Sure Zero more or less died from the infection, but his project was already underway.

Same goes for Big Boss, who doesn't seem to give much of a fuck about Skullface (or Miller and MSF for that matter) at all. MSF's destruction only engendered Big Boss to try something a lot more dangerous and ambitious.

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>>386144456
>>386144242
>>386143574
>tfw some PC users have literally hacked their Nuke filled FOBs to be 100% impossible to infiltrate

>>386144390
he died by the hands of huey and an angry kid psychic channeling another kid who was mad at his dad while thinking he was in a fight with big boss who is actually a retarded one-eyed medic.

BRAVO KOJIMA

>>386144456
only reason the numbers are so low on xbox is because far more people who played mgs are on sony consoles, because brand loyalty is strong. the problem is the blockades.

>>386144721
sauce?

>>386138394
Its too late now Kojima

>>386144224
Do you think he fucked her up the ass himself?

I played 1, 2, and 3. I only liked the first one. Would I like MGSV?

I haven't seen a nuke on FOBs since a year now
At this point Konami could easily pretend all are disarmed and roll out their big secret event instead of waiting around until nobody is left playing
In short, don't get your hopes up, it would have happened already

>>386145071
No, you will like mg 2

>>386121553
IT WAS ME SNAKE IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

>>386145139
I swear the Nuclear Equipped FOB tab on PC is broke, they never show up. Yet the current Nuke count for the PC servers is like over 9000, fucking bullshit.

>>386115684
If anything this probably suffered without him overseeing it

>>386115684
that awkward silence was killing me, the speech should have been longer, or the ride shorter. it was horrible!

>>386119565
Venom snake is a cool as fuck design. Eat shit faggot.

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>>386115684
>plebs

1) Like the importance of audio cassettes, this scene is told primarily through the spoken word of Skull Face. The spoken word is so important because it is literally the tool he is using to stop the Patriots. Thus a cohesive plot concept to plot delivery chain.

2) You cannot control Venom. He is stuck, at the mercy of his creator. Mirroring 3 things: a) The Catch-22 of war holding nations who use it hostage in an unending chain of provocation and retaliation, b) The player being reminded that art holds hostage the consumer until the true meaning is realized, else they suffer a "phantom pain" of enlightenment just out of reach, and c) Kojima's subjugation of this as a creator held hostage by its creation, wherein Skull Face is the MGS series and Kojima is Venom.

3) The scene is entirely too long, and purposely so, to accentuate the notion of war unending: it cycles, it fades, it rises, but it never ends. Kojima hammers this home in a very unsubtle way, but as this is a video game he knows his audience is wide and of varying analytical abilities. And yet still, people don't understand. Maybe he should have typed it out so even idiots could understand (see MGS2).

It is art. It is purposeful. It is powerful. It has nuance. It is cohesive and cumulative.
>muh pointless car ride
Fuck all of you, you aren't ready for vidya to transcend.

>>386145217
okay

>>386143558
That PS4 looks amazing though.

>>386144456

Just made a nuke in my FOB, anon ;)

There's no fucking extra scene not on the disc.

>>386146372
you gon get base raped

>>386146017
Make a video explaining all this shit with images and shit, im not reading your copy pasta parroting shit that you put together

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Skullface was ironically one of the few good parts of MGSV desu, even though he was a Saturday morning cartoon compared to how good of a villain he was in GZ he was still good

>>386146457
Only if you like and subscribe ;^)

>>386115684
Kino.
Kojima is a pure genius mastermind.

>nothing will come of death stranding and kojimbo drones are going to be BTFO forever
feels good

>>386146017

You may be meme'ing or posting copy pasta, but I actually think this is a valid interpretation of the scene.

In my opinion, though, I think it's much simpler. The scene, the song, Venom's silence, Skull face's monologue, the stare is ALL about the central theme of the main story: language. It isn't just a pointless car ride, it's about forcing the player, taking full control away from him, into a situation where he has to reflect on the theme.

>>386146563
I liked him a lot more in TPP than in GZ, if only because of how his character reflected on Zero and Big Boss and how it tied into the rest of the game's themes. His actual scheme was whatever.

In GZ he's just Scaryface McCuntBomb.

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Anyone think Skull Face had too many "toys"? He's got a zombie horde, a bioweapon to surpass Metal Gear, a ruthless private army, a Metal Gear that makes REX look like the TX-55, near-total control of a powerful secret society (emphasis on near-total because the Patriot AIs were already under development), and occasionally a super-powerful psychic and his flaming zombie-puppet-thing. What more could a supervillain ask for? Only MGS4 Liquid Ocelot had comparable power, and he only had it because the Patriots allowed him to have it.

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>>386146618

>>386147005
Yeah you got a point, he was fantastic in all of the tapes, I really loved the Zero one in particular
>But the boss, I've been
>YOU'VE BEEN WRONG

>>386147000
People always think I'm memeing when I say MGSV is the greatest game of the last 10 years. Kinda sucks, but at least it won't stop me from replaying it over and over.

>>386147037

I'm still angry we didn't get a cool enemy unit like Foxhound, Dead Cell, Cobras or Beauty & Beast. Hopefully, those floating five dudes in the first Death Stranding trailer are a hint that we'll face an enemy squad like that.

>>386147310

Those were always my favorite part of the older games too. Although in this style game I don't see how we could get their stories fitted in without adding more casette tapes to the 50+ backlog or forcing more long jeep rides.

At the very least I wish the skulls would show up or stalk you more often. It was an incredible moment in the one mission where you show up to ambush the truck like nothing special and suddenly skulls are everywhere pushing your shit in.

>>386147243

I don't think it's the greatest game of the last ten years, but I think it's genius, despite being unfinished. Like I said in a previous post, in an ironic twist of fate, the unfinished status of the game only enhanced the feeling of phantom pain the game was trying to convey through part of its plot (the other part being the power of words and the ways language affect everything, from relationships to warfare).

>>386147310
Maybe they could have had super-Skulls similar to Quiet (at least in role). Quiet was pretty much a super-Camouflage Skull, so having a super-Mist Skull and super-Armor Skull would make some sense.

>>386147679

They could have made a few special members of the Skulls for we to fight. Imagine if the Skulls ambushed you more often in the open world and they had one special member with them each time, someone that had extra abilities.

We already got so many cassette tapes, adding more wouldn't be a problem to me.

>>386148056

Yeah, I posted this >>386148165 before reading your post, it would be great to have something like that, a named Skull super soldier like Quiet.

>>386115684
>What was Kojima thinking?
This question applies to the whole game.
I mean wtf, 3 side missions you have to complete like what, a hundred of times ?

>>386144612
that doesn't mean it's bad either dumbass

>>386115684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxEDGNFq0Tg
Even Norman thinks he's weird.

>>386143574
This is total bullshit, it's just a cutscene. There is no hidden content..

>>386149324
stop shilling this garbage, it's not even funny.

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>>386135491
Shinkawa is the real unsung hero of the series.

>>386151278
truth

>>386135345
>good games take time

Reminder that Thief 2 was thrown together in a few months because Eidos wanted a holiday release to look good to its shareholders.

>>386138394
>-Snake quips back during the conversations with comments like in the first couple of tapes, giving the conversation a James Bond talking to villain feel.

Disgusting.

>>386151278
Unsung? He's one of most highly regarded character designers in the industry and the second name people think of when they hear Metal Gear.

>>386115684
>implying kojima's capable of thought

>>386148165
This is all i wanted. I hate nameless shitters.

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>>386152050
"Unsung" in comparison to Kojima, I mean. Even normie casuals know Kojima.

>>386143616

The MGS4 engine was specifically built around the clusterfuck that was PS3 hardware. Starting over was the right thing to do, but Kojima should have either designed it for last gen or current gen, rather that stretching out his resources.

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>>386115684
I loved this part.

Silence is a tool just as much as dialogue for creating an impactful scene and this part fucking nailed it.

This scene was incredibly cinematic and i think thats why is get so much shit on /v/.

Watch any David Lynch movie and you'll see how he uses silence over and over again to create some really impactful moments.

Also the game is great first playthrough it just has no replay value unlike other games in the series.

>>386132837
>Far Cry 3
Try a third-person Far Cry 2.

>>386153447
Lynch movies are also visually interesting and usually have something else going on to accompany the silence, which isn't something I can say for this part of V.

>>386131218
Portable Ops had a better story than Peacewalker
GBC MGS had a better story than MGS2
MGA series was overly convoluted

Why does Kojima always ignore the games he didn't work on?

I am finally ready to concede that MGSV is a mess, a cluster fuck, and an awful game in an otherwise great franchise. But if that's true... then how did I enjoy the 200 hours I put into it?

>>386130180
>he wanted more long cutscenes
>he wanted another MGS4, the worst game in the series

thank fucking god you don't get to decide what creators do

>>386153782
Please tell you didn't only play IV and V

>>386153782
garbage taste.

>>386153782
Long cutscenes are what MGS is known for and part of what we expected in V, faglord

>>386153634
This is bait.

>>386153981
whole series, nigga

>>386154031
lol

>>386154107
>Long cutscenes are what MGS is known for
in a pejorative sense, yeah, you're right

>what we expected in V
so you didn't play Peace Walker or else you'd know about the move to tapes, and never paid one shred of attention to V leading up to its release, gotcha

>>386153634
>Portable Ops had a better story than Peacewalker
Parts were better. Gene being Big Boss Lite made for a boring antagonist that impacted Big Boss in a similarly boring way, though. Then you have Null. "Calling to the Night" is a great theme, though.
>GBC MGS had a better story than MGS2
Fuck no. Ghost Babel is in my top three games in the series, but its story isn't anything special thematically.
>Why does Kojima always ignore the games he didn't work on?
Ghost Babel is an alternate sequel to MG1. There's no reason to reference it. Portable Ops is mentioned in MGS4, even if PW made the whole of PO kind of questionable with respect to canon.

>>386154291
Peacewalker and MGS2's stories were trash.

>>386154309
>so you didn't play Peace Walker
I wish I could be him.

>>386154309
>played whole series
>complains about cutscenes
?????

>>386154309
>a pejorative sense
kek

>>386144224
Nigga popped dat pussy real good

>>386135215

it's not fucking fair

>>386154486
>>386154509
>I wanna sit for 90 minutes at a time not touching the controller

bitch, I love the MGS games, 1/2/3 are masterpieces, but after MGS4 I never wanted to sit through a shitty briefing cutscene that retconned shit all over the place ever again.

play Uncharted or watch an actual movie if you want muh cinematic experience

>>386154739
>plays MGS
>COMPLAINS ABOUT CUTSCENES
??????????????????????????????

>>386153606
Maybe if they'd picked a better song

>>386154817
Like you, MGS4's cutscenes are a whole other level of retarded

>>386154817
>??????????????????????????????

autism

>>386155146
>>386155232
>plays Metal Gear Solid
>doesn't like watching cutscenes
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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>>386147310
There was Ocelot's unit that appeared in a few cutscenes. XOF was supposed to be that enemy ballbreaker unit, too bad their AI is the same as any other mook, should've done something about that.

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>>386151278
>>386135491
Half the charm of MGS since 1 was Shinkawa though, his mech designs are always great. Even ST84 was fucking crazy when it was first revealed it could stand upright

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>>386154739
MGS4 cinematics were necessary cause it did something bold, which is to tie ALL the loose ends and in that regard it did a great job, there wasn't really any major lore rape. At least not at the scale of TPP with inserting a whole new character without any mention of him at all previously. Yes he was a 'ghost' but it doesn't fucking work when that ghost suddenly wants to give the whole world nukes.
Also
>tapes in TPP
Should've had at least 200% more tapes like PW yet they cut that too along with not having Kief speaking at all except a few grunts

>>386156158
>MGS4 cinematics were necessary cause it did something bold
lol
>which is to tie ALL the loose ends and in that regard it did a great job
even more lol
>there wasn't really any major lore rape
is this b8

>Should've had at least 200% more tapes like PW
I agree with this

>>386156450
>lol
>lol
>b8
>>>/r/eddit

>>386156739
>muh MGS4 hugbox

eat shit

>>386156158
>there wasn't really any major lore rape
Wasn't that the whole point of the NANOMACHINES memes?

Still, I find it less offensive than the whole 'Oh it was just parasites' explanation MGSV gave for the Cobra unit. Totally unnecessary.

>>386156879
>>>/r/eddit

>>386115684
I thought it was funny as fuck. There are a lot of scenes in this game that I can't take seriously and laugh at. It's to the point where i refuse to believe that Kojima was taking it seriously.

>>386157026
>>386156879

>>386157234
>>386157026

>>386157234
>>386157291
Will you two shit posting cunts shut the fuck up, fuck. God damn spackers these days.

>>386157291
>>386157397

MGS4 sucks nigger, deal with it

>>386157426
>>>/r/eddit

>>386157426
>>386157462
>shit posting this hard
Nobody cares wankers.

>>386143304
>I was born in a small village...
>...a small village?
>Yes, Snake. A village is a small community or group of houses in a rural area, larger than a hamlet and usually smaller than a town, and sometimes (as in parts of the U.S.) incorporated as a municipality. And by saying "small" i meant of limited size; of comparatively restricted dimensions; not big; little, slender, thin, or narrow, not large as compared with others of the same kind, not great in amount, degree, extent, duration, value, etc

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>So, that's uh, that's my big plan.
>Any questions?
>...No?
>I just uh, I thought you'd at least be interested enough to ask.
>Well, okay then.
>Oh, you're just gonna scan my men huh? That's cool.
>I wonder what rank it says I am...
>We've still got a couple miles to go, you wanna turn on the radio or something?
>Maybe have a sandwich? I packed a few for the trip.
>You sure don't talk much...
>Well, I'm just gonna lay down then, take a nap.
>Wake me up when we get there...

Why was Venom so rude?

>>386157462
kill yourself faggot

>>386157972
why can't we be friends with skull face, we could just pin the whole destroying motherbase thing on huey and his rouge team of XOF soliders while saying skull face dindu nuffin

>>386158234
go back to >>>/r/eddit you useless trash

>>386158367
>muh reddit

lmao find something new you family guy tier bitch

>>386157972
>>386158339
Did he actually pack sandwiches, I'm lost?

>>386121107
The controls are good, everything else is pure ass. It's like I was playing an alpha in the sense that there was nothing to do, nothing interesting to see and nobody to follow/interact with

Terrible game.

>>386157828
In his defense, repeating relayed orders and statements is standard operating procedure in various military and civilian fields. Snake's "huh" tic is what makes it weird.

>>386158452
Of course he did, he also brought a selection of fruit and a FORE cd for snake's iDroid, he wanted to be a good host after all

>>386158438
Back to >>>/t/umblr you fucking pussy

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>>386131630
>Enemy AI on par with a bottle of detergent

Niggus Christ, my sides

>>386158684
lmao

cunt

How the fuck did it take Cipher nine years to find Venom when he's been in the same place?

>There are people here who actually liked the tapes

I mean having a few in the game are alright but it's an awful vehicle for the story especially for me who had to play in a pretty loud area at the time so I could never really hear the tapes

>>386158803
Go back to >>>/t/umblr and never come back, faggot

>>386158660
>FORE cd
well NOW I know you're lying because that album was not released until 1986. Almost had one redeeming quality but no.

>>386158339
they can't be friends because skully clapped paz's cheeks

explain me why this scene is hated
i thought it was pretty cool like that ladder scene

>>386159237
Music is pretty inappropriate for a casual drive where nothing happens.

>>386158980
lmao other than snake who gives a fuck about paz

>>386153447
That's a movie anon, a movie where actors can use their face/body language to continue the scene even after the dialogue has ended.

What happened in this scene? Big Boss just gazed around in an idle animation while Skull Face was frozen in place.

That's not cinematic, that's being a hack and not understand that Video Game need to convey emotion differently than a movie.

>>386156938
It was the worst lore rape in the saga till TPP but even when it was released i still liked it. Yes it could've been done better or not explained at all but it was still good. The nanomachine explanation wasn't that big a plothole, keeping BB in a coma and Naomi/Vamp immortality are the ones i remember that got an eyebrow raise from me but it was a 'logical' one at least.

>>386159473
chico gave a fuck to paz

>>386115684
Where can I play the first one so I can finally get into this series without downloading a virus

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>>386158339
That was one of the fun theories when Skully and Venom get off the jeep and you see st84 in the distance, everyone speculated that you team-up with XOF against Cipher or pretend to be a double-agent of sorts except we got a reminder of the Alamo.

Would you choose this timeline?
>Solid Snake is voiced by Kiefer Sutherland from the beginning
>Donald Sutherland voices Big Boss in MGS4
>In exchange, 24 is either never made or has a different lead

>>386159838
I'd like it if Kief did all of BB's lines
>tfw hear all of BBs lines in his voice anyways now
Him as SS wouldn't be fitting, Hayter did a great job in 1, switching him from 2 onwards would be awkward

>>386115684
He made it bad on purpose to give the player "The Phantom Pain" it is a little thing called art.

>>386159538
>till TPP
I think MGS4's worse. Sure, XOF and Skull Face come out of nowhere and Venom Snake is a pretty goofy idea (especially this far into the series) but the core of the story didn't change. Venom Snake just happens to be the Big Boss you kill in MG1 while Big Boss lives to see another day instead of Big Boss merely surviving the encounter.
>>386159962
I'd prefer Snake and Big Boss to have distinct voices.

>>386130708
this was the best cutscene in the game.

>>386129081
He'd probably become a matyr regardless.

>>386158897
>go back to ____

so original. suck a cock, AIDS child

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>>386115684

He wanted to sabotage the project. He knew his days in konami were counted. He knew konami was doomed, that they were going to fuck the gaming division right in the ass.

He intentionally made the game weird, obtuse, incomplete.

MGSV is shit because Kojima made it to be shit

>>386159962
The reason I went with that is because Jap SS was voiced by Akio Ohtsuka and MGS4 BB was voiced by his father Chikao, so the father-son reconciliation thing was real in the JP version.

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>tfw MGSV was a massive disappointment.
>Still managed to be one of my favorite games this gen.
>Clocked in over 600 hours.
>Just want more SP content to play around with.
>tfw massive amounts of content is sectioned off because Ground Zeroes, F.O.B's, Online and soon to be Survive.

Anyone else know this pain?

I love playing TPP Single Player. I can't go back to Ground Zeroes because of the gameplay improvements yet I love Camp Omega. MGO3 sucks ass but it has so many cool outfits. F.O.B's are fine but I don't like fucking over other players so I mostly play events, Ocelot just got patched in but you can only play him in fucking F.O.B's.

And to top it off Metal Gear Survive is gonna be completely stand-alone.

>>386159237
The tone is way off. The ladder scene only has the snake eater vocals and it comes in gradually as you climb, it fits the solitude of the location and moment of reflection big boss needs as he nears his objectives.

The Jeep ride has the regular version of Sins of the father and it's too dramatic or 'epic' for the way Skullface just casually outlined his plan. What is the introduction of the music trying to say?

If the purpose is that the revelation is shocking and a serious threat, Skullface needed to deliver his monologue in a way that Venom can do nothing to stop it. Waving the parasites right in front of Venom's face while he hardly even notices absolutely kills any impact the scene had up until that point.

>>386160465
Metal Gear Survive is also gonna be complete trash

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>>386160064
>but the core of the story didn't change
Except DD as a PMC was never mentioned again after TPP,ST84 being more advanced than REX except the whole only a child can pilot it along with everybody ignoring the fucking railgun that was a major plot point from 1 onward. I won't even mention MGS3 story rape, even the memory transplant is fucking stupid, you could theoretically mass produce BB with this method but its hand-waved as well

Were there any other vehicles during the jeep trip?
If not, why didn't Venom just kill Skullface right then and there?

>>386160707
Sins was even misused in this scene, it was supposed to be a reveal that Venom!=BB with its intro words

>>386160904
That's because MGSV is the last real game of the series and takes place only 10 years before the original Metal Gear. They'd have to make either another prequel or another chapter to explain that, and that isn't happening.

>>386160904
>Except DD as a PMC was never mentioned again after TPP
It's folded into Big Boss's Outer Heaven.
>ST84 being more advanced than REX
Fair, but I never said that MGSV didn't have weird wrinkles with respect to continuity, I just said it's pretty inconsequential to the greater story. Which is true. All the major players of the story are doing what you would expect given the time: Zero is putting the finishing touches on his Patriots project, Big Boss is building Outer Heaven, Ocelot is covertly aiding Big Boss. MGSV doesn't really try to provide any big revelations; it's very much a filler story.

I didn't say MGSV had a great story, but it is mostly self-contained.

>>386161021
I don't know how true that is but it really does feels like they couldn't finish the part of the game they wanted to use it in so just slapped it the jeep ride because they wanted the game to have a scene where music blends into it.

>>386161445
Just listen to the intro lyrics

>>386154486
>>386154817
>>386155305
This but unironically. The briefings were fucking comfy. I didn't mind the other cutscenes at all either, if you don't take MGS too seriously they can be pretty entertaining.

>>386161538
SS and Otacon's dialogue in MGS4 was comfy, Miller and BB's dialogue was also god-tier in GZ, they nailed the military briefing of 80s action movies perfectly. Its iconic like the opening to Predator

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My only issue with V is how it tries to explain Venom as the Phantom Boss, yet even into the 1990s nobody noticed that Big Boss suddenly went from days of being an amputee with horrific scarring to fully limbed and a manlet. Surely people at Foxhound, Outer Heaven or just certain characters in general would have noticed something wasn't right?

>>386154365
Nobody asked for your shitty opinions

>>386161427
>I just said it's pretty inconsequential to the greater story
It actually is, TX-55 is nuclear-equipped while there's a total nuke disarmament in TPP, then it almost happens again in '99

>>386116359
fpbp

>>386161663
I liked the MG2 reference in GZ even if it's almost ruined by KEPTCHAWAITINGHUH.
>>386161785
Presumably the only Big Boss that was doing FOXHOUND stuff was the real one, but it does seem odd that no one really cares or notices in Outer Heaven given both Bosses were involved there. Ultimately it doesn't really matter, though. You can hand wave it as "Venom got some work done."

>>386161785
>Foxhound
Its members changed through the generations, everyone knew of BB's story but many didn't actually meet him face to face. VS and BB operating in different regions also helped

>>386161898
>being this butthurt

>>386115684
he ripped of cormac mccarthy

skullface is literally judge holden from blood meridian

>>386158876

fucking this oh my god, I'm the guy who listens to every single codex call in the other games but in this one I couldn't bear to finish the tapes

every 90 seconds you have to stop, open up the droid and queue up another one. you basically have to stand still because ALL radio chatter has priority over tapes, sometimes pausing them and there's no resume so you're just lost. it's worse than the codex calls because at least you had the poorly animated faces to look at instead of just watching the game you can't play because if you take two steps you get nagged by mom kaz

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Is Kojima Productions just one big expensive hugbox for ex-Konami employees?

>>386161663
>Kiefer probably recorded more lines for those than for the entirety of TPP

>>386162732
Did he scatter their sorrows to the heartless sea?

>>386158876
Tapes, cutscenes, codecs... what's the difference? Right. Ease of use and accessibility. Another retarded complaint.

>>386162795
I was thinking the same thing, does he even have a solid 60minute recording time in tapes/cutscenes?

>>386162732
It's a cult and Kojima is the Jim Jones. There's no backing down from the initiation when you're stuck on an uninhabited island.

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>>386116359

The sad thing is that the potential was there for something really special. Those CINEMATIC moments in the intro and the mission where you kill the infected soldiers were top notch, but aside from those two instances you're just running outside around an empty map knocking over copy pasted outposts. I don't know if open world itself is to blame but they totally botched the open world implementation and made it completely pointless by letting you run away from any confrontation without anyone chasing you.

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>>386163094
>ywn return to camp omega

>>386146017
please tell me this is pasta

>>386163094
I felt similarly up until I got good enough at GZ to S rank with ease. There was nothing sweeter than rescuing prisoners, and infiltrating flawlessly like a real snake. Also the implantation of the tape tunes made it more exciting if you were creative. I never got bored of the random missions because I was enthralled with the gameplay, only ones that annoyed me were the "destroy the heavy weapons" ones.

>2013 trailer claims skull face is "a ghost without a past"
>2015 trailer starts out with skull face explaining his past

>Middle of Afghan war
>There's never any fighting between two sides
>You don't get to sneak through battlefields as people shoot and die all around you

One of the things MGS4 got so right.

>>386146017
You're just delusional at this point.

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>>386155724
>that right pic
>tfw Skull Face could have been yet another Lee Van Cleef reference

>>386163406
>2013 trailer claims that TPP is the missing link to complete the saga
>the actual game is stand-alone

>>386146017
I feel like vidya has too much range in its players. You will have sub IQs of 80s ranging up to much higher, most gamers probably don't know how to search for any kind of double meaning, message, or interpret things in their own way. Put simply majority of gamers are too retarded for anything more.

Will /v/ ever recover from this disappointment?

>>386163504
Considering how they put a big focus on using the chaos of the warzone to your advantage in 4 I was surprised there was nothing like that in 5. Would have added a lot to the game I think.

>>386163553
I can't quite put my finger on it, that face also reminds me of some other character, there's a little Sokolov vibe with the stache too

>>386163665
Give it 80 years tops, when we're all dead and gone.

>>386163720
Ocelot is based on Lee Van Cleef.

>>386163808
I'm talking about Skully's human face