Persona 5 ending

>>386111607
It's basically the traditional Persona ending at this point. They always end with the main character leaving in one way or another

I agree it doesn't really fit in this game though.

>>386111607
That bothered me too. Joker's parents are clearly fucking assholes, they sent him away, and didn't visit, call, write, or even text ONCE.

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Probation at previous school wouldn't allow him to be enrolled so Joker's parents sent him to live with Shojiro because then at least he would have a chance of starting over.

It was an alright ending - Didn't really carry the emotional weight of 3 or 4's endings because I wasn't nearly as invested in the cast. The ending song really grew on me though

He went to that school as part of his probation, and it was easier to find someone out there to house him then move the whole family for a year or have him commute every day. His parents are likely dicks, but as a minor, it's not like he can just tell them to fuck off yet.

>>386112380
It didn't carry the weight because it wasn't as rural. More than likely Joker could just catch the train back to Tokyo to meet up with Futaba anyway

Were the parents ever bothered that their kid was a wanted terrorist found dead in the police station?

>his parents are dicks

really? if they were douchebags then Joker never would've got himself into trouble, his sense of justice is thanks to his upbringing.

>>386111607
I'm pretty sure it was a court order, not his parents abandoning him.

>>386112808
Shit thats a damn good point

>>386112848
You never get any letter or phone call from them though.
Sure, he went to Tokyo because of the court order, but some support from mom and dad wouldn't have been amiss.
Now it just sorta feels like they dumped him there and washed their hands off of him because he sullied the family honour or some shit.

>>386112661
Flipside is that it was the reverse for Akira--he grew up in the boondocks and was sent in to the city to live out his probation.

At least in the city, he could remain anonymous from shear numbers, rather than in the countryside where everyone knows everyone.

So yeah, he would still have to hitch a train ride, probably no different than Yu.

>>386112808
>>386112954
I don't ever think they released his name nor face. Joker simply went into hiding because he didn't want the wrong people to recognize him. He literally went back to school when everything blew over.

>>386111607
Joker's hometown is Inaba.

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>>386112808
did the public even know his identity? game was confusing as fuck about that

>we've captured the leader of the phantom thieves
>he committed suicide

>[insert name] has to go back home for personal reasons
>he won't be coming to school for awhile

>save the world
>you're going to have to turn yourself in now for some reason

>get out of prison
>no one cares

>>386112808
They never actually released Joker's name or picture tho

>>386113058
Or maybe, perhaps, it didn't fit the context of the game. You could literally say the same thing about P4.

>>386113186
He's a minor the cops would have to inform the parents.

>>386113206
No, the public never found out, because the gov't didn't want to sensationalize the PT. Giving out names immortalizes them forever.

P5's story was a mess.

>>386113202
That would be cool

>>386113251
Actually, yeah, why did P4-kun leave? It was said from the beginning he'd be there only a year. Kinda odd considering it was just a regular high school transfer, not like an exchange program.

>>386113235
>>386113186
And that was half of the plot--Joker was reportedly dead, yet they never recovered the body. The dependency was brushed underneath the table, name or face was never released for people to cross-reference.

>>386113251
You could, but Yu's situation was a little different.
Mostly because he doesn't actually have a criminal record and isn't on probation.
Wouldn't it be normal for parents to at least try to support their kid in a situation like this? Unless his parents are assholes and don't trust their son's story.

>>386113346
His parents went traveling and wanted Yu to continue his schooling--it really was an exchange program for the year.

>>386113206
>save the world
>you're going to have to turn yourself in now for some reason

This bit made me really angry

>>386113403
Well it is Japan so there is a good chance that the parents are assholes exactly as you described.

>>386113496
Point.
And the game was pretty heavy-handed with the whole "adults are assholes" thing, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch either.

>>386113491
And thats the point. Its almost like injustice is a major theme hmmmmmm

>>386112816
You're retarded if you think parents are the only reason a person is the way they are. They literally don't contact him a single time for the entire year.

>>386113621
That wasn't injustice it just didn't make sense

>>386113093
What you see of Joker's home area doesn't give the impression of it being in the country whatsoever, it's just a more suburban area of a city.

Guys i'm playing p4g and i can't get past marie's dungeon.

Should I just load a previous save and skip that shit? I can still do the true ending dungeon if i do that right?

>>386113785
how can you not beat Marie's dungeon?

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>>386113379
I'm surprised no one cares about this

>Akechi-kun please make sure you deal with this phantom menace
>ok dad
>*shoots you in the head*
>haha mission accomplished who the fuck cares about cleanup

>>386113878
Did you miss the part where it's supposed to look like a suicide?

>>386113830
Maybe I just don't understand it or I have bad personas, but I really don't want to put in the effort to grind better personas desu

>Make tons of friends.
>Get a girlfriend and stable relationship
>Learn a profession (barista) and be told that if you want, eventually, you can inherit the bussiness.
>Get several jobs in the meantime that make you financially independent.

>The ending is some cowboy riding into the sunset bullshit I'm sorry my planet needs me lmao / simpsons episode ending where everything is left exactly as it was.

What a spit in the face after all those hours building relationships and a new life for nothing.

>>386113950
Anon, you don't grind personas. You fuse them.

>>386114018
Yeah but you need the level to make good personas

>>386113938
>suicide
>body is missing

that makes sense

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>Zero explanation of why Sojiro took Joker in beyond "I owed your parents a favour" which is never elaborated on in any way

>>386114106
I was able to make perfectly good personas on very hard (half exp gain) with basically no grinding past hunting for Peech Seeds to one-day clear Yukiko's dungeon. People like you should just play on safety desu.

>>386113878
I don't get why they had to bring a legion of police officers into the metaverse and do all this bullshit when they already know everything about the phantom thieves, they could just kidnap him from his home.

>>386113667
>You're retarded if
That's a petty reason to insult someone. He never said or implied that, anon

>>386114203
Well the thing is I don't even think my personas are the problem.

I think I just don't understand how the dungeon is supposed to be done

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>>386114230
they wrote the story starting with the in medias res and then they couldn't come up with how they got there

>>386114298
You get items. You use items. It's that simple.

>>386114004
>What a spit in the face after all those hours building relationships and a new life for nothing.
It's pretty well known that nips can't into writing.

>>386114150
must have goten to fuck jokers mom or something.

>>386113689
Phantom Thieves were actually charged with unlawful entry and property damage. Joker just took the fall for the rest of the guys.

>>386114150
Wasn't he paid to take him in?

>>386114661
>unlawful entry

I don't remember this

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>>386111607

because it's the same bullshit hackneyed anime writing where every event in the plot happens for the most contrived reasons possible.

what exactly do people enjoy about this game and P4? I've given them both a chance and I'm just not seeing it. All characters hold the "I'm a retard" ball whenever it's convenient for the writers. Every plot point and character detail is telegraphed with painful clarity, basically zero subtlety involved. The characters almost always react to things in the most cliché, forced drama inducing way possible in order to drive the plot forward. The turn based gameplay is not exactly deep or entertaining and the daily sim / management gameplay isn't much to write home about, either.

If I ever bring up the stilted awkward dialogue or lazy plotting and characterization, my friends who are fans of the game just tend to say something along the lines of "Haha, well that's anime for you. it's always like that." I can understand that, but if that's the case then what is it about these games that is actually GOOD? What does one actually like about these glorified visual novels if not the plot and writing? The music is really good, and the character designs are appealing, and the graphics are nice. But that can't be enough to make someone play a game for 70 hours, can it?

I don't want to come off as hostile but I always see fans of these games making fun of the writing so I know I'm not the only one. What is it about them that's actually good?

>>386114123
After Sae bailed him out, everyone probably thought that someone already disposed of the body and faked the whole thing.

>>386114784
Break in to Okumura Foods. Making of Morgana and Haru.

How did Sae make the police forget about the dead body of a cop during Joker's murder-suicide?

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>>386115052
>everyone probably thought

Akechi can't be that dumb, he must've had someone to deal with the aftermath, right? He is an ace detective after all, he shouldn't overlook any oversight his plans. I mean, he even solved Sae's dungeon and was the first to realise Joker survived, he's a smart guy.

I'm gonna chalk this up to terrible writing.

>>386115114
The guard who got shot was a cognitive one. Sae told the real one to fuck off for his own safety.

>>386115313
And the police and family would want the body for the funeral

>>386115110
Haru is literally the owner of okumura foods, I think she will let it pass.

>>386114890
It's part of the charm. Either your into it or not.

>>386114890
The gameplay is good, dumb dumb.
Also Persona 3 was the only one of 3/4/5 where the characters had personalities beyond sucking MC's dick and pushing the plot forward.

>>386115717
literally just a generic NPC, no one cares about him

>>386115717
There is no body, you idiot. It wasn't real.

>>386115270
He was an "ace detective" because he 'solved' the crimes he himself committed in the cognitive world
Reminder that akechis biggest weakness was pride, he always assumes he is the puppet master till he gets BTFO at the end

>>386115909
more like ace defective

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>>386114230
Internal politics. They had to catch Joker at the scene of the crime in order to prove his methods.

>>386112380
>4
>emotional weight

it's literally just taking a long train ride away from the backwater town and you can come back whenever you want.

4 and 5 ending are pretty forced as there's not much reason to leave, at the end of the game as long as you tried, everyone from where you are leaving basically worships the ground you walk on and you supposedly achieved very strong bonds with them.

There's literally no reason to leave this all behind other than "the plot said so".

>>386114890
Style, that's really it.

Play a real SMT game, they're honestly good. Persona games may have some style and charm but never enough to justify their lengths.

>>386114890
The overall style of Persona is appealing. It's got the Jojo premise of fighting bad guys with your spirit guardian. It's got lite Jungian psychology mixed with the occasional Gnostic perspective. Throw in various world mythologies and Lovecraftian horror. Sure, the character quality varies from game to game, and so too does the plot, but I don't think the writing has ever been the reason why people play Persona games. They find the characters to be leaps and bounds more engaging than your typical anime show. P3-5 have a hard time exploring their themes without being heavy handed, but they still have intrigue

I dunno, it's really easy to find flaws in this series, and the main SMT franchise. Either you're into it or you're not

>>386116230
Well duh, all the s-links are literally written to like you.

>>386111607
It's a tradition, deal with it.

>>386112107
You're giving too much thought into this.

>>386114326
I still wish it was a real casino they were sneaking into. That'd have been a way cooler way of progression, since you already had insane palaces beforehand but a real-life casino and being a showoff in a public would actually up the stakes and fit the whole theme of fighting society and being a symbol. Plus they'd have to figure out how to just hop in-and-out of the metaverse frequently to mess with shadows of security guards I guess, and to get around in general.

They even went with the fact that you can go somewhere in the metaverse and teleport straight into the real world given they did the same thing with the underground interrogation room, something they otherwise never use even though it'd be super useful.

>>386112107
they sent him away because it was better for him and they could've call, write, or text and it just wasn't show in game. You don't see every little thing

>>386116973
I wish the casino was more about you sneaking in underneath shadow saes nose as opposed to being trapped in her game

>>386117156
>You don't see everything that happens in a game where you literally see each day of the MCs life morning to night, including random text messages and calls from friends

>>386117841
my favourite part of the game was when Joker was on the shitter

>>386117972
You know that you can actually take a piss, right?

>>386117841
I didn't see his house.

>>386117972
it was kind of awkward how Morgana watched every single time Joker spanked the monkey though

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>>386118041

>>386118041
Im pretty sure he just took a walk out if joker need privacy

just like in valentine's day

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>>386114890
It's a combination of easily digestible style, writing and an incremental grind that gets how to make progression satisfying that makes for an appealing combination - the games are more than the sum of their objective parts.

I'd say the writing isn't ALL trash, there are attempts at depth here and there. The modern personas all have something to say, be it about confronting death or oppression, and some of the characters - particularly in 4 - build on their archetypes to make something more interesting.

The translation of P5 is objectively awful though, and ruins the threadbare characterisation that's there in the first place.

>>386111607
His parents sent him away because he got probation for a year because of Shido. His previous school basically said "fuck you" and wouldn't take him in while on probation, so he had to go to Shujin for the year until it was over so he could go back to his previous school.

That's what the ending is.

>>386116973
They never teleported with the interrogation room. You have to return to where you entered the metaverse to return to the real world. Thats why Sae re-entered the real world when walking back to jokers cell, and why goro came out of the metaverse when he was leaving.

>>386118462
he has no reason to go back

>>386111607
There's no actual confirmation he went home. Yeah that was where he was intending to go, but the whole gang was in the car with him; it's entirely feasible he could have been convinced to stay. EVEN if not, half the friggin S links end with saying they'll still visit and stay in touch.

>>386118579
He doesn't and Sojiro even says he could stay if he wants it. But Protag decides to go home anyway..

Maybe we'll find out in the spinoffs why.

>>386118234
would *you* walk out?

>>386118579
Well he could totally miss his parents, old friends, childhood home/town, his old school he went to before, and the fact half his friends already graduated. There's a lot of reasons to want to go back home.

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>>386118579
Shujin academy only took him for a year so if he want to still go there he needs to ask his parents to transfer him there. Anyway we already now he comes back, max few months later, to dance

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you guys do know he has a phone right and can visit them on long weekends right

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why the fuck do they still insist on doing self-inserts

>>386119062
i didnt self-insert

>>386119097
exactly so why do they keep doing it

>>386119062
It's literally a meme. I wish they wouldn't, because as your image proves they do absolutely fantastic MCs. There are even hints of P4 and 5's MCs being cool characters and some people reckon 3 but they're wrong that just don't get used enough because they're silent protagonists.

>>386115850
Yeah this made the game great there was a lot of internal strife between the team mates too that eventually gets resolved.

P5 was basically you're a stupid cat, no you're stupid. Then you find out the killer of futaba's mom. Her reaction and Haru were so unbelievably, it's like they dropped the entire plot line for it.

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>>386114656
>joker-kun was sojiro's son all along

>>386113491
>save the world
>By brainwashing specific people and also the general public through the usage of mementos

>>386119128
I like that each character seems to have this subtle personality in their choices that sets them apart from each other.
Most notable with FeMC though, who's super genki.

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>>386119062
Joker is not meant to be a self-insert like Narukami was
Joker is a tool for conveying the idea of an underdog rebelling against social injustice and being cool while at it. He's not someone who represents the player, he's someone the game wants you to admire and aspire to
Persona 5 as a whole is constructed around the idea of making the player feel something about (or against) the Japanese society. Joker's character is one of the tools the game uses in order to do so.

>>386119250
Which doesn't make sense at the end, all the villains you faced were able to break out of the shackles of society.

Which you find out isn't a bad thing at all. The whole concept of fighting against evil adults was thrown away at the end.

>>386119490
They break out of their shackles to pursue distorded desires which made other people suffer. In the end the Phantom Thieves were right in everything they did, at least according to their own moral compass.

P5 is worse than p4 and p3. It really took a step back

>>386120209
Persona sucks, play real games that real men play. Like, SMT.

/thread

>>386120209
The only thing P5 did worse than 4 was the soundtrack, and P5's gameplay is an objective improvement over both.

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>>386120209
>P5 is worse than p3
Lol

well not that really matter when you're just a train away from you friends,also in my headcanon he return to Tokyo, work at Sojiro's bar, eventually he inherit it with is wife Hifumi

Here's what I want to know. Who owns the van at the end?
From the looks of it, The Return of the Mak seems to be the one driving it so one would think she owns it but then where did she get the cash for a out-of-date car from?

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>>386120954
Nigga they can make easy money from Mementos and Palaces.

>>386116539
>and the main SMT franchise.


Should we tell him ?

>>386121505
Why isn't there an option to just pay Kaneshiro the money he wants? A few days of grinding in mementos would honestly be all it takes.

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>>386118892
>Anyway we already now he comes back, max few months later, to dance

>>386113058
He brought shame and dishonor onto their family. It makes sense they would refuse to communicate with him until his sentence was completed.

>>386111607

Who cares he's like an HOUR drive. If he wants to visit his buds he can any time

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>>386122954
Shamefur dispray

>>386111607
Did you even play the game? He was sent away because of a court order, and Shujin was the only school that would take him. The parents were lucky that Sojiro was a good guy.

>>386122091
Because then you wouldn't be stealing his heart

>>386118889
I really doubt you could ever miss the people that labeled you a criminal and never got in touch more than the ones you SAVED THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD WITH

who also include smoking hot girls that want to bang you at any given chance

>>386122954
This. Jesus guys, do you even Japan?

>>386123149
His friends and family didn't label him a criminal, the police did

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Well fuck. I was on the last palace and was just about to finish the game, but now I have absolutely no motivation to. Should I even bother finishing it now? I'm overleveled because of reaper farming so I can't even fight enemies besides the bosses because I instakill everything. So combat is barely a thing anymore, so all that was driving me to finish was the story. And now with the revelation that Joker just ups and leaves all of his friends, confidants, allies, and his cute girlfriend Futaba, who asked him to never leave her for absolutely no real reason to go back to a family that didn't even care about him enough to call him once while he was gone for almost a year, I have absolutely no drive left to finish this game. Should I? Is there some cool twist or worthwhile thing at the end that I'd be missing out on if I just dropped it here?

>>386123293
Yes and nobody believed him or defended him, according to the narrative

>>386111607
As far as leaving his friends behind, it's implied that Joker doesn't really live that far away. I still had the feels, tho. I really wished the game had given you the option to stay with Sojiro. Makoto best grill

>>386113491
It made sense in a way, even though what you did was just, Only your testimony could prove it, and you did break and enter in more than one place, hijacked every TV station to transmit the final calling card.
Those were crimes that being under probation doesn't do you any good. But I call bullshit on not having time to do whatever you want from Valentine until you leave.

>>386123838
Play the fuckin game

>>386124387
Why?
I'm already burnt out on the whole "walk around and choose who to spend time with" day to day life, I can't into combat anymore because I'm overleveled, and the only reason I was still playing was for a satisfying ending, but apparently I don't even get that.
Why should I keep playing?

>>386111607
I made this exact same thread when I finished the game.

You'd think the whole supernatural life-defining, history book experience might just be enough to keep him in Tokyo.

>>386119182

I honestly thought this was where the game was going.

>>386123838
End of the game obviously sets something up for next time.

>>386126454
Besides a dancing spinoff and the newly announced anime?

>>386123838
Yeah I stopped playing mid way through the space station, I'm in this thread to peice together what happens at the end from what I was already spoiled.

>>386127135

You missed an awesome SMT 2 reference.

>>386118892
>Anyway we already now he comes back, max few months later, to dance
that's even more retarded

>>386127882
Not him, but what reference? I don't remember anything particularly related to SMT2.

>>386122091
If you could actually give Kaneshiro the 3 million yen, he would find a bullshit reason to raise the debt even higher. The debt is just a tool to force Makoto into doing whatever what depraved shit he could think of to make money from. The whole bit with Eiko (yes, I know, no-one cares about Eiko) and the host who 'broke the sake bottle' is a similar story.

>>386124570
You can still fight enemies by attacking them from the front. Insta-kill only works if you ambush them. If Insta-kill is triggering, you're strong enough to fight face-on without the ambush.

>>386127882
>>386128828
Qliphoth World.

>>386117841
Sojiro drops the tough guy act early simply because MC's parents don't care about him.

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>>386131860
I don't even remember that word in SMT2 or Persona 5, so I guess that goes to show how much I pay attention.

i played persona with the name "Slut Mcstud" and holy shit do the conversations improve