What MMORPG has the most tolerable grinding?

>>386110143
Personally, only two games where I'd grind the fuck out for hours and not get tired or bored were WoW and RO. Modern WoW and every other modern MMORPG makes me fall asleep.
>b-b-but you are older now! you dont have as much energy!!
Fuck off weak cunt, I'm a masochist and love grinding games, I still play mh4u or diablo 3 15+ hours a day on my free days.without break

Maplestory, especially on the reboot server. Thanks to events and all sorts of ways to make leveling faster it's become really chill.

There's even an event called burning where you can open a character that will level up three times instead of once every level up untill 150.

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>>386110309
>diablo 3

>>386111204
It'd be D2 if it wasn't so dead, or PoE if my friends played it. At least it relieves my autism.

>>386110309
play FFXIV

>>386113146
Grinding in xiv is pretty bad. The main selling point of the game is that once you're done with the story and levelled you don't really have to.

>>386113146
isn't it like WoW where you can pay to skip all the grinding?

>>386113556
Yes and no. You can buy a potion that will boost your character to level 60 (cap is 70 with the release of Stormblood), but only for one job.

>>386113651
love that you can max out all the jobs on one character, really tempted to buy ffxiv because of that (and other things)
but then i remember all the weeb shits stinking up the game

>>386114068
You're on 4chan where weebs stink up all boards.

>>386113320
>Grinding in xiv
>Bad
How shit are you at video games. You never have to grind. You do everything at your own pace. They shit out EXP at you like no tomorrow. You get 3x EXP just for leveling a class lower than your main. That's not even accounting for exp boosting stuff like food, FC buffs, gear, etc.

>>386114161
uguuu~~ *w* anon-kun you look so kawaii in those pantsu desu :3

i mean those weebs

>>386114260
>>386113320
>>386113146
Am I the only one who likes leveling new characters in FF14? It feels so relaxed and stress free

I was completely befundled at the fact that samurai starts at lvl 50, completely curbed my initial hype of getting to play something interesting again

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>>386110309
15+ hours....

How the flying fuck do you not get bored shitless?

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>>386114448
>befundled

Don't make up words you fucking faggot

>>386114448
There's no point to creating more than 1 character when you can be every class on a single character. It's actually a detriment because then you would have to repeat the long MSQ and reunlock everything from the tutorial and side quests.

>>386114551
>made up words

befundled
flabbergasted, or not knowing what your talking about.
confused.
my parents were befundled about what my sister was saying through the wall.

>>386114608
My bad for mistyping that, I actually meant leveling other jobs

>>386114260
>implying you dont want to kill yourself after a few potd runs

>>386110143
Vanilla wow grinding while leveling. Shit warms my soul even thinking about it.

>>386114260
Yeah it showers you with xp if you do stuff that you queue for. Everything uninstanced is complete shit for xp.

Also if it's a new character you have to endure the long and awful story to unlock things.

>>386114649
It's befuddled, not 'befundled,' fucking retard

>>386114649
That's "befuddled".

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FF11 in its prime, grinding for years no quests just mobs, skill chains and exp chains. Maybe it broke me but I hate modern mmos.

>>386114260
>Get all this bonus xp gain
>But there are only 3 ways to get levels reliably now front line got nerfed
>All are monotonous to the extremes

>>386114675
I have everything at level 60 and I never touched potd. Just do roulettes, challenge log, pvp, and follow FATE trains.

>>386114068
You can literally just play it up until level 35 for free. At that point you go through half of the progression story content and get access to ~8 dungeons, and you can level as many classes as you like at your leisure. If the weebshit is too much for you then you can just fuck off if you feel like it, but you generally won't have to suffer too much of it if you don't go looking for it.

>>386114896
Frontline exp barely got nerfed. It's the same amount if you win. 3% less if you lose.

>>386114802
MSQ is uninstanced and it shits out EXP like no tomorrow. It actually overlevels you now. By the time you beat a realm reborn you would already be 4 levels ahead of heavensward msq.

>>386110143
complaining about "grinding" in an a mmo is the type of player that has ruined mmos. Early mmo's were a "slow" experience, in the sense that grinding out levels for the sake of it wasn't the name of the game, merely living in the world at your pace was the point. You got levels naturally as you enjoyed being in the world, and meeting people. Making camp after a fight and talking with your group as you regain mana and stamina. Casuls destroyed mmos, they thought the "fun" was at level cap, and they have zero fun grinding, hit level cap and then complain that there isn't any content as they blew past the huge world.

so many feels thinking about EverQuest in early 2000's, it's all gone. mmo nu-players are anti social locusts

>>386114859
Is FFXI worth playing? How long would it take a complete beginner to finish all the main story quests?

For me it was Maplestory. Generally, unless the map had a chance of killing you, you could do it without paying much attention so you could watch a movie or something. If you did pay attention though, it wasn't awful. The game was designed for grinding and all.

>>386111145
>Especially Reboot
I'm guessing you haven't gotten to the point of getting Meso% gear on a Kanna.

>>386110143
Warframe?

>>386115253
Not a MMORPG

>>386115103
If you have the armoury xp bonus you've likely already done the msq

>>386115141
FFXI is not worth playing now. Game is dead and changed to be played solo for hundreds of hours. The game aged like milk from it's user interface, netcode, and gameplay. If all you care about is story then it could be good but don't expect anything groundbreaking or you going "wow this was totally worth the $40 for all expansions and sub fee and took 48 hours to install everything from Playonline"

>>386114345
Those weebs are on 4chan anon. Check out /vg/, discord threads on /v/, steam friend /v/ threads, literally /a/.

>>386115436
Everyone talks about how great FFXI's story is, as if it were sliced bread. I just want to play it for the story and atmosphere. Should I? Everyone also says some parts will make you cry, or something like that.

>>386115128
m8 I feel where you're coming from but you're mostly just waxing poetic about a type of experience that really can't happen anymore. MMOs will never again be a completely new experience that developers and players are feeling out alike as it was in the EQ/UO days. That whole experience was borne of novelty, and you can only emulate something like that, it can't be recreated wholesale.

>>386115763
If you got money and time then go for it. Otherwise just look up the story on youtube.

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>>386115141
If your not nostalgic for old mmos I assume it's going to be seen as extremely slow paced. It's not really the same game I played anymore so its hard to recommend. SE has been changing it so you can solo most of the game because of the dwindling population. Where as in it's prime you needed a linkshell(guild) and you needed to get help from other players for almost everything you wanted to do.

>>386114923
FATE trains are somehow not grinding? Once you get a mob going its just mindless grinding.

>>386110143
Guild wars 2 has the best everything btw did you preorder Path of flames yet?

>>386115982
All you gotta do is auto follow someone in the train. You get full credit for tossing a heal or using overpower every now and then.

>>386115763
Story is not that great, not terrible, but definitely not great.

>>386116068
>I just leeched off of people that where actually grinding so grinding doesn't exist

>>386115883
>>386115879
>money
Yeah, that's a non-issue.
>time
2nd year college student with no gf. So, lots of time.

I'm currently looking up gameplay videos, and it really reminds me of Morrowind. Really love slow paced and relaxing games like that. What's end-game like?
And, would I have to be a poop socker to play the game?

>>386116082
How is it compared to other entries in the series? How about the other MMO, XIV?
What's your favorite FF so you're not just shit posting

>>386115103
The MSQ isn't a good grind and you can only do it for one job.

>>386116151
Most people in trains are botting so it's not like they're doing hard work.

>>386116253
Good thing about that 3x exp armoury bonus, rested exp bonus, and the countless other crap the game throws at you which makes you level up fast. If you buy a level boost for a game like this that carries the hell out of you in the exp deoartment then you are a huge sucker

>>386116068
Dungeon mobs have such inflated XP values that it's hardly worth it to do fates unless you either happen to be in the neighborhood while doing something else, want to grind out the last 20% of a level quickly, or you rolled a DPS and you have nothing better to do while you're waiting for a dungeon queue.

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>>386114931
can you continue playing on an account that previously had a sub (and a job higher than 35?)
I might want to reinstall if I can just play around on my unleveled jobs.

>>386116470
Pay $13 to add 30 days to your account

>>386116229
Like I said it's not bad but it's isn't great, but honestly if I stack it up to any other mmo out besides WoW it's probably the only one with a decent story.
FFIX is my favorite but I never really played for the story more for the fighting (I like turn based games) and I always though the individual characters and backstories they made were really "cooler" then the overarching story.

>>386110143
That would be whichever is the lewdest MMO on the market is.

Edging yourself with one hand while playing with the other really helps you pass the time.

>>386116386
>3x exp armoury bonus
What in the seven hells are you talking about? It's only 2x.

>>386116523
I'm guessing that's a no, then?
ah well, that's too bad

>>386116390
Well that and to grind out ranks and items for your Grand company after you do your daily unless you have a tank class to queue up with.

>Vanilla WoW
>Getting to level 60 requires a solid minimal of 14 days played (for speedleveling faggots), usually a bit longer for the average player
>Most of it encourages or dictates cooperation, group quests, attunements, dungeons, etc

>post wotlk, sit in your capitol city level 1-level cap auto queueing for dungeons and bg's with players not from your server who might type a handful of words the whole duration

>>386116567
It's 2x for levels 51-60
3x for less than level 50

Only applies if the class you're leveling is lower than your highest.

>>386116386
It's only 2x and as people have already told you the main problem is anything that isn't instanced is either drip fed to you with daily caps or gives fuck all exp even with bonuses.

>>386110143
Why the fuck would you play an mmorpg and worry about grinding?

>>386110143
Runescape because you can watch netflix and depending on the skill click once every few minutes or until you hear yourself stop skilling.

>>386116683
See
>>386116661

There is no main problem. If mobs outside gave equal or more exp than dungeons then everyone would use a bot instead of going into dungeons thus killing the point of roulettes.

>>386115141
Yeah it's better than ever, it still has 20-30k subscribers worldwide.

It's the only mmorpg I still play, when I play one. Just make sure to roll on Asura or Odin.

>>386116849
WoW private servers have more players than that

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>>386114260
>Grinding in xiv
>good

>What is any of the gathering or crafting skills
>What is PotD
>What is levels where there's literally no quests so you have to do shitty side-quests
>What is the horrific leveling experience with terrible skill progression
>What is FATE's giving shit tier exp

Yeah, nah. FFXIV easily has one of the absolute most dogshit leveling experience I ever had.

>>386116759
MMO's know for the amount of grinding they have wants to know which is the most tolerable no which MMO doesn't have any grinding just which one has the most enjoyable/shortest grind times. It's like your retarded or something.

>>386116661
It's x2 for pre 60 and 1.5 post 60, dipshit.

>>386116807
It doesn't matter what reason they have it still makes the grind obnoxious and filled with queues for half the classes.

>>386114260
you are a masochist anon

>>386116470
>can you continue playing on an account that previously had a sub (and a job higher than 35?)
>One (1) Free Trial account may be registered using a Square Enix account so long as that Square Enix account has not been previously registered with any version of the game.
Since you said you had a sub I'm going to hazard a guess that it's a pretty hard "No" from SE. If you like rationalizing things you could look at a new sub as a <$0.50 per day investment for a whole month to see if you might like it, or if you're feeling cynical it could be blowing a perfectly good ~13 bucks to not like a game you already dropped. It's your call but I'd wager that if you didn't like it enough to keep up a sub then there likely isn't anything new going on that'll really draw you in.

>>386115128
You're full of shit. UO had macro users out the fucking ass.

>>386110143
ragnarok online

>>386116646
I hate questing with a passion and always have so I could not possibly give less of a fuck about that.

>>386116992
it's 3x pre 50 with rested exp. 2x pre 60 with rested exp. 1.5 post 60 with rested exp.
>queues for half the classes
gee why don't you play with friends in a MMO anon? did you get kicked out of novice network already before making some?

>>386117030
yeah, looking over that again and seeing that bit bummed me out. I hope they adopt the WoW style of free trial where you can just play on jobs 35 or below, even if your sub expired.

>>386116229
Not same anon, but I love FFXIV. I also loved VIII's MinMaxing the fuck out of the game by being OP as fuck by the end of disc 1 (of 4)

>>386117160
>I hope they adopt the WoW style of free trial where you can just play on jobs 35 or below, even if your sub expired.
it's already like that, but only for new accounts. not for expired accounts from years ago.

FFXIV isn't an rpg though.

>>386117223
neither is FFXI.

>>386117207
well, that's why I said that last part.

>>386117257
I haven't played it i wouldn't know. Can you build your character 11 ?

>>386116562
Is XIV lewdest amongst the big ones?

>>386117342
nah, Tera is lewder but Tera is shit.

>>386117160
It is a bit of a bummer, but if you played beyond lvl 35 and didn't think "yeah I want some more of this" it's probably just not for you. Nothing wrong about it, the autismo traps can't catch everyone.

>>386117393
I liked the combat system

>>386117135
Even with friends this still requires them to want to level a new job and for that job to be a tank.

>>386117418
It's good for solo play but falls apart once you remember that it's supposed to be a "MMO". Using Unreal Engine 3 for a MMO is the worst.

>>386117437
healer queues are instant too you know.
also they don't have to level a job you know, they could just help for wondrous tails or be a bored mentor.

>>386117135
>Rested exp
While we're mentioning unreliable shit to pad exp numbers why not go full blown retard and mention exp items so you can go "LMAO IT'S 8x EXP" as if that's a constant amount.

>>386117607
That still leaves the fact that more than half the jobs are dps. Wondrous tails also at most only requires 9 dungeon runs, you will need many more than that to level.

Stop making excuses for this shit game.

I don't think it's really grindy, but is GW2 worth picking back up? I'm getting bored of FFXIV again but want to play a MMO still. GW2 expansion has me getting interested in it again and I never played HoT

>>386117680
if you don't already have 10+ levels worth of rested exp then you're dumb.

>>386117727
the only excuses I hear you making is that you have nobody to group up so you play a MMO solo like a faggot.

>>386117757
GW2 is still unoptimized shit don't bother. Go play Xenoblade Chronicles or FF12 if you want something like a MMO.

So far grinding in BDO has been fairly enjoyable as it's flashy, looks great on my new PC and requires a lot of input from my side.

>>386117858
Do you get paid per post or per (you)?

>>386117757
Not unless you want to pay for Story missions and the new expansions that don't really add anything new or substantial.

>>386117727
>That still leaves the fact that more than half the jobs are dps
How does that factor into you picking a job to level? Honestly though I would probably recommend leveling a DPS job first if you like that kind of thing since the queues are fucking ridiculous for them when you don't have a MSQ to pad out your xp gains.

>>386117941
>ff12
Shit, I forgot they came out with a remastered version for ps4. Doesn't the dual job system make the game a joke though?

>>386118090
or just queue with a tank or healer from novice network. literally takes 30 seconds to ask for help and get invited if you play on a non dead server.a

>>386118135
how much the game is a joke depends on how much you minmax and what new game+ or minus options you go for

>>386118136
That sounds like some good advice. I leveled a healer and tank first, so queue times ranged from "it's already done" to "maybe a minute", and I had the good fortune to find my way into a FC that was happy to help people level jobs up by the time I tried a DPS. I'll try to remember to recommend that to any scrub DPS who's getting sick of the long queue times.

>>386117957
In any case it's best not to reply to him.

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>>386110143

pic related, if only because everything you acquire while leveling your first character can be transferred to new ones to twink them out to trivialize the early-game grind

The REAL grind of PSO has always been hunting rare items, which can take fucking forever depending on the item

>>386118787
certain items are impossible to get because they only drop from online mode quests or your section ID doesn't even drop it.

god damn Heavensward is so much better than ARR.
what the fuck happened

Dps queues are 5-10m for story content. It takes a night and a half to go from 60 to 70. Stop with the queues meme already.

>>386117858
>if you don't already have 10+ levels worth of rested exp then you're dumb
You realise there is a cap right, like one and a half level's worth

>>386115616
>Check out /vg/, discord threads on /v/, steam friend /v/ threads, literally /a/.
>Check out these pockets of pure cancer that everyone on the internet, even half of those thread's posters themselves recognise as awful

Next you'll tell me there are rapists in sub-Saharan Africa.

>>386115436
>>386115763
>>386116082
This is something a lot of people fall for. It's decent FOR AN MMO story. You have to take everything with a pinch of salt.

>>386120482
How about XIV?

>>386114260
>How shit are you at video games that you have to bot to get anywhere

>>386120663
2.0 is generic and vanilla as shit
The later 2.X patches are generally better but fuck me there are a lot of them to slog through if you start now.
HW was pretty solid, the game's best plot reveal happens around the midpoint of the 3.0 story and there are some really great parts in the 3.X patches (also plenty of bad like almost everything after 3.3).
SB is a mixed bag, I thought most of Doma was as good or better than most of HW whilst the Ala Mhigo stuff was kinda bland, but both xpacs are better than ARR.

The real problem with FF14's story is that all your interactions are rendered in the game's PS3 compatible engine, which isn't bad for the dated graphics but for the way the characters interact with each other. It's been said a lot over the years, but you'll spend dozens and dozens of hours watching
>*unsheathes weapon*
>*frown emote*
>THREE LINES OF TEXT
*sheathes weapon*
>THREE LINES OF TEXT
>*nods*
>*character pivots on spot and walks awkwardly offscreen*

If you have the godly patience to deal with that, the enormous amount of filler and the Koji Fox meme localisation then there's a serviceable FF story in there with some really great and memorable moments, but for every OH SHIT and FUCK YES moment there is a couple of hours of forgettable monotony.

>>386121214
Also the vast, VAST majority of the characters have even less personality than the cast of FF13.

>>386121214
Damn, so you play XI and XIV? How do you have time to do that?

>>386121321
That's not true, what's true is that the majority of the main cast (Scions and fuccboi twins) are dull as fuck and unmemorable.

>>386121376
FFXI is older than most posters on /v/.

>>386121420
>dull as fuck and unmemorable.
So you mean to say that they have no personality?

>>386121472
You said all characters. There's tons of characters in XIV that are good, it's just that they're non-permanent like the Scions are, which is a major detriment.

>>386121573
>vast majority
>all
Name 3 from the MSQ that aren't dull as fuck and unmemorable.

>>386120052
rested exp goes up for 10 levels then stops

>>386121672
Raubahn, most Empire leaders, Aymeric and Lucia, Gosetsu, Estinien, the entirety of house Fortemps, Cirina and Hien. See the trend? Most of them are temporal companions. The core of your "party" is fucking boring and I just want the WoL to tell them to go fuck themselves and go solo.

That's not even taking into account the tons of little characters here and there that are memorable. I feel like you're taking the awfulness of the Scions (which they are) and applying it to the entirety of the game's characters when it's simply not true.

>>386121672
Alphinaud
Cid
Teledji

Why is the Samurai rotation so fucking easy and yet one of the best dps classes?

>>386122093
you mean rdm?

>>386121672
That fish that sells you out.
That jerkoff at the observatorium.
That leader of Limsa Lominsa with the huge rack.

>>386122093
Samurai doesn't have a rotation.

>>386122164
Hakaze, Yukikaze, Higanbana, Hakaze, Jinpu, Gekko, Hakaze, Shifu, Kasha, Hakaze, Yukikaze, Midare Setsugekka

For singular

Fuga, Mangetsu, Fuga, Oka, Tenka Goken

For Mobs

>>386122008
>Teledji
Who?

>>386122210
t. retard who skips cutscenes and dialogue

>>386122195
>No Hagakure
>Higanbana without Jinpu
Please stop.

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>>386122154
>huge rack
>FFXIV

>>386122195
What the fuck, are you lv50?

>>386122305
it's true moefeysbf or however the fuck you spell her name has a surprisingly large rack. awful face and an even worse voice, though

>>386122397

She's got a great set Anon, but I think "huge" is overkill.

They're the ideal size, though.

Anybody who says ff14 is a fucking retard.
>Grind palace of the kill me now until 60
>do shitter pvp until 70

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>>386110143
Only the best mmo did

Tibia, the whole game is literally and endless grind (top player right now is lvl 1079 and its taken him 10 years of grinding). IMO it's pretty relaxing to just login and grind an hour or two sometimes

Gw2 because it's an experience and endgame isn't the main point. Tons of exploring and story elements. Dungeons to end every zone and pvp/fractals/raids at end game.

Dungeons are dead though, nifty scenarios though. Fractals are alive and well as tiered dungeons that become increasingly harder. Raids would be the 'I want to hang out with 20 other people and get some good gear without crafting"

>>386119302

>playing offline

Do you even into private servers?

>>386122263
>>386121672
>>386121420
>>386121214
One of the bigger problems with the story is the staggered continuation, I find. I've played since beta, and the ARR story is a distant memory at this point.
I'm sure someone starting now and going through the whole story in one go will find it much easier, but for long term players it's almost like reading a fantasy novel one chapter a month.

Best games to comfy grind:

RO
Maplestory
any farming game

just slap some dreampop and go to town bro.
I used to set an alarm to play RO and have some alone time in the good maps, shit was so good and comfortable

>>386122621
>top player right now is lvl 1079 and its taken him 10 years of grinding

That's not really impressive when you consider how they keep adding new monsters that give more and more XP

What's impressive was the first time a player broke the EXP highscore table on their site because they gained so much EXP

Or that one guy who stayed on rookguard (newbie island, you typically leave at like level 8? or 12?) till level fucking 100 and the developers descended to the game and gave him a pair of dragon scale leggings for being such a baller.

>>386122621
>>386123219
Tibia makes most games lore pale in comparison to its player-forged lore, it's astounding and truly something that's completely lost nowadays. So what was behind the level 999 locked door anyways?

>>386123095
I found the opposite when I started recently, but I really just wanted to get the current content as soon as possible.

>>386123324
True. No idea, top players are being dicks about it and won't really share any info

>>386123324

Unfortunately the game is fucked in terms of balance now. Nowadays 3 level 70 players are able to take down a level 100 player, with ease.

Level 70 requires 5.2million XP points

Level 100 requires 15.6million.

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>>386122195
>Yukikaze first
>jinpu second
>shifu third
>no Hissatsus whatsoever

Actually get to 60 on SAM before shitposting endlessly. Or actually play SAM you DRG crybaby

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>>386121672
In addition to all the ones that have already been mentioned by other anons, we can also add Biggs, Wedge, Ilberd, Lolorito, Charibert, Hilda, Regula, Pipin, Magnai, Sadu, and every single primary antagonist save for the Ascians, namely Gaius, Thordan, Zenos, as well as Nael for those unfortunate sods who played 1.0

There's absolutely no shortage of interesting NPCs out there.

>>386126017
was 1.0's story any good? who's nael?

>>386125487
Not him, but I've been hearing that Yukikaze first is beneficial to tanks. Does a few gcds of """"""tank dps"""""" worth fucking up my opener?