They had their chance to fix 2D sonic and they squandered it.

>>386094603
>Camera now snaps like a motherfucker when changing direction.
Thanks for that I guess.

Sonic was never good.

>Widescreen isn't enough for you
Do you need the game to fucking pause and inform you an enemy is coming, faggot?

>>386094603
Wasn't this done in sonic mega mix and players liked it?

I guess they didn't feel the need because mania is widescreen.

But the Taxman is fixing 2D Sonic.

>>386094818
>changing direction
You only need to go right

>>386094603
>S-STOP THROWING THINGS AT ME BY SURPRISE! YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHEN TEH ENEMY IS COMING

Stupid retard. Realize that part of playing 2D sonic is knowing the course and reacting accordingly.

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>>386094818

>>386094818
>camera position is linked to sonic's speed
Woow so hard. A 7 figure budget R&D team couldn't figure that out bot I could in 12 seconds wooow nips are so smart

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By the way Bubsy does this when a certain speed is reached. Apologize now.

>>386095232
That character has a set speed. The camera would move to the right as sonic was moving faster and would center on sonic when he slows down. It's very simple.

>>386095232
The worst part is that he's so close to the center that there's no point in having the camera shift at all.

>>386094603
>remove all skill required to play sonic games
nah

>>386095232
cool

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>>386095367
Every damn time.

>>386094951
>this is "wide" for a sonic autist
65% of the screen is being used for useless shit behind you. You do not need to see what you've already passed.

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Look, it's another poor sap who hasn't played the Taxman versions of Sonic 1 and 2.

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>>386094951
WOAH SO WIDE BRO

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>>386095612
What about this guy?

>>386095712
>Almost as much space as if he was on the left in 4:3 aspect ratio.
Again, is that seriously not enough?

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I want to know where this meme of "Sonic is bad because he's in the center of the screen" began.

I mean, is it true? If it's true, then look at this guy. He's right dead center in the screen! Whatever game this is, it must be a TRAINWRECK just like Sonic!

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>>386096604
Look, here's another game that no one likes with a center aligned character. Surely all these games must be HATED by gamers everywhere for having such POOR game design.

>>386096604
>>386096686
Both of these games are designed around the speed/momentum of the character

Sonic is not
The more Sonic speeds up, the harder it is to anticipate what's coming up in the level

Nobody runs a Sonic level for the first time without getting fucked over by an obstacle or enemy they couldn't react to.
You have to do the level multiple times, especially given how large some of them are, before you can do them competently.

The very definition of trial and error.

>>386096604
>>386096686
I'm not trying to shit on Sonic here but these games don't really urge you to go fast to the same capacity that Sonic does

>>386095386
You mean like it has for quite a while? I know advance at least had this

>>386096604
>>386096686
>Being this autistic and missing the point

>>386097352
>being so autistic, you're bad at a game other people played fine as 5 year olds

>>386095284
>Sonic goes from TURBO to 0 is a sec so the camera hits the brakes too
>Sonic does a spindash so the camera blasts to the right
And what if it's a stage that goes right to left quickly? Do you want people to vomit?

>>386094603
Kill yourself you fucking shill

>>386094818
Sure is fucking better than not being able to react to shit that's off screen but will impact you in 4 frames.

>>386097809
Do you even know what shill means?

>>386095552
stop
oh wait

>>386097809
>someone pointing out flaws in a game
>a shill
Has this word lost all meaning?

>>386096975
>Sonic is bad because you just hold right to win
>Sonic is bad because there are obstacles that you need to deal with instead of just holding right
I know we're all funposting here, but it is mind boggling how many people hold the above positions simultaneously.

>>386098206
>hold the above positions simultaneously
But... I don't?

>>386098206
Well, if we're really going to be fair, the reality is that Sonic levels switch between these two modes, without enough in-between. There will be sections of literally "hold right to win" followed by sudden obstacles requiring fraction-of-a-second reaction time.

>>386094603
>>386096975
Have you ever played a Sonic game

Roll into a ball you fuckin mook

>>386098031
Shill is the new cuck

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>How to fix Sonic
Say no more senpai I gotchoo.

>>386098967
According to OP, that game is still not good enough.

>>386099086
Yeah well OP sniffs butts.

>>386098206
>sonic levels 1-3 are hold right to win
>sonic levels 4-7 are obstacles appear out of literally nowhere and fuck you instantly

Sonic has literally both these problems at the same time, and left aligning the character fixes both of them. The reason sonic is "hold right to win" is because you can't fucking do anything but hold right when you start moving, all the extra paths and jumps come by so fast that you can't react to them so all people do is hold right to win. After world 3, all those extra paths require you to stop and go through special jumps to get to, and the default path starts to have some basic obstacles that become impossible to react to because you are moving at the speed of BLAST PROCESSING.

>Sonic moves too fast to react
>Mario moves more tiles per second
>They have the same fixed camera
>Only a fault with Sonic tho lol

>>386099906
Sonic and his enemies are twice as big.

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>>386094603
>>386097928
>can't react in 4 frames
anon, you're....
Too Slow....

>>386099983
Sonic also has a move that kills everything while moving.

>>386094603
Well you can mod it to your taste, anon

>>386097061
Sonic ALLOWS you to go fast. If you go fast beyond your capacity to handle fast, you are really to blame.

You won't find many things like speed pads inches from a wall of spikes or anything. Every time your speed is out of your hands they get considerably more accommodating and lay out some terrain designed for the purpose.

>>386100148
not spikes

>>386099983
OP you just keep coming up with excuses upon excuses.

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>>386094603
It's 2017, shit shouldn't be 240p anymore.

>>386100265
Not OP. I'm even a huge Sonicfag. Just playing devil's advocate.

>>386100309
I kek'd

>>386100148
Lest we ever bring up that you only really ever go "too fast to react" when fucking rolling. I'm not saying Sonic doesn't have gotcha moments that encourage being more cautious your first time or spending rings while playing recklessly but I 100% argue that that sort of game design is fucking fine. Mostly because its the entire fucking point of rings over health or mushrooms. Rings let us fuck up if we don't want to be cautious.

Maybe Sonic 2 uncapping Sonic's running speed was a mistake given how fucking retarded people are.

>>386096975
If you don't have the ability to react fast to what's coming or couldn't be taught to do so by Sonic 1, a rather slow and simple game, I advise you don't play Sonic games as they aren't for you.

>>386100309
I laugh but also kind of want to play a Sonic with a level perspective like Super Meat Boy now. Just for novelty's sake.

>>386100252
Spikes are a hazard not an enemy.

>>386100309
basically jazz jackrabbit 1 > 2

>>386095184
>Hold right to win meme
This isnt Mario

>>386095184
In some kiddie shit like Mario, sure, Sonic has better, more fleshed out level design.

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>I know enemies and obstacles will inevitably try to stop me from progressing
>I don't know how to plan for something I know is inevitably coming
>LETS GO AS FAST AS FUCKING POSSIBLE WITHOUT KNOW WHAT'S COMING LAWL YOLO WHAT THE FUCK I DIED SHIT GAME ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY VIRAL VIRAL VIRAL SAGE

Stop going that fast then and go at a speed where you're comfortable enough to react to your enemies, or prepare yourself for the fact that you might run into shit you're not ready for.

>>386101328
But aaaanoooon... then the levels take like, two miiiiinuuuteeeeessss. :(((((

>>386101401
BUT MOOOOOOOOOOOOM, THE COMMERCIALS TOLD ME TO GO FAST I NEED TO KEEP HOLDING RIGHT

>>386094603
>his reaction time is so slow he can't even telepath enemies in widescreen
Literally subhuman.

>>386098031
Except there is no flaw. You have potato levels of reaction time. People like you is why the average normalfag thinks games like DF, DaS, or any other old game for that matter are le so difficul because they don't hold your hand, or require basic thought put into it. Yes, you are a shill; no better than ign and gay grumps.

>>386095205
>>S-STOP THROWING THINGS AT ME BY SURPRISE! YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHEN TEH ENEMY IS COMING

This is not good game design when it's in any other game. Why would it be a plus here?

>>386100309
lol this actually looks way better than anything sega has ever released. the 3D games are inherently better because of this but come with their own problems.

>>386103549
Well then its a good thing Sonic games don't actually do that. If you actually pay attention to the level design, you're never expected to dodge enemies in any areas where you're also expected to go fast. 99.9% of the time enemies are only in parts of the level where you're already platforming or otherwise being mindful of what's in front of you.
Sonic 2 is the ONLY game that even remotely throws enemies at you in unfair places, and even then, I can only count 3 levels do it excessively.
This whole meme that Sonic requires memorization to avoid obstacles is fucking retarded.

>>386096172
how many frames does it take for max speed sonic to cover the distance between himself and any given screen edge? does it parse out to fewer frames than the number necessary to dodge the hazard plus human reaction time?

if so then it is not enough.

>>386096975
>The very definition of trial and error.
This was not a problem back when games were good. Fuck you Mario for casualizing "gamers" and now every fag can't even play a game proper anymore. A game is shit just because you put a object in front of the player, like, how retarded are you to do this knowing they can't win unless you warp pipe them to the end of the game, wasting all their time on the shitter.

Thanks for pandering to cancerous people they call "gamers" and making real players go extinct.

>>386094603
Sonic Mania has a much bigger FoV. It has widescreen for one thing. It's sad that the Genesis games only have this problem fixed in the mobile port though.

>>386094603
Sonic CD did this. It actually was pretty helpful.
No need for it in widescreen though.

>>386099906
>>Mario moves more tiles per second
either t. The Game "Wario is 10ft tall and bones aren't organic" theorist or you not accounting for the different sizes of tiles and the size of Sonic

>>386095592
I am sad that this was never expanded upon

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>>386106117
>thinkingemoji.jpg

>>386095592
Isn't this theory fucked now that Bubsy is back

>>386098798
YOU NEED TO GO BACK, BACK TO >>/pol/

>>386107170
>Bubsy goes missing for 10 years.
>Sonic's look changes
>His games start sucking
>Based SEGA hires modders to save Sonic - they get a cyan Sonic from another dimension to save the franchise
>It works
>This blows Bubsy's cover
>Bubsy decides to make his own nostalgia cash in inspired by Mania
DEEPEST
L
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>>386098638
That doesn't solve the problem of spikes. I specifically recall that Marble Garden act 1 has at least one set of wall spikes that you'll almost definitely slam right into as it's part of a speed section.

>>386098638
do that and you'll be helpless to stop in the face of any hazard which isn't an enemy

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>>386100613
Sonic game with Harmony of Despair camera options.

>>386095950

he's my friend