What's your opinion on emulation?

Do it all the time.

One of the best things about PC gaming & was something that made the PSP really good also

It's the ultimate patrician choice.

>>386067132
its pretty cool ;)

>>386067132
Awful. Especially PC emulators.

>>386067340
>It's the ultimate patrician choice.
Maybe if you're poverty stricken.

>>386067132
Good for MAME and DOSbox since those require a fuck ton of hardware to play nonemulated, but I play on real hardware for everything else with flash carts and burned disks.

Pcsx2 sucks balls.

>>386067493
What about systems that are almost impossible to find these days like the PC Engine?

>>386067132
It's pretty nice since Americans are assholes and artificially inflate prices on older games. Super Mario World was at one point sold with every SNES system, yet people sell it for $25+. The Japanese are cool as fuck when it comes to retro because they keep prices low in order to keep a healthy exchange flow on games. You can get nearly any highly produced game for ~$10. I bought a copy of Mother 2 for $16 earlier this year.

>>386067632
Yeah those too, most PC Engines that haven't had their caps fixed by now are broken. The same thing will happen to all but the very last revision of original Xbox consoles.

If people can make BotW run on Cemu, why can't they make a good N64 emulator?

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>>386067683
>It's pretty nice since Americans are assholes and artificially inflate prices on older games.
Because Americano ain't free.

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DraStic for Android devices is the best NDS emulator in existence, and playing NDS games on my smartphone feels almost natural.

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>>386067132
>playing one game and all the others are just on the title screen

>PCSX2 will literally never ever get its mess of code rewritten and that piece off hackfest shit will prevent competent PS2 emulation from ever being a reality.

>>386067132
It's a great tool to have.

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Mostly do Gamecube, Wii, PS2, and PSP emulation. It's a lot of fun.

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>>386068545

Great and necessary.

The problem is projects getting to mostly accurate states for preserving old games.

As far as I know from 8-bit era up we've only got cycle-accurate emulation for the NES and SNES.

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>>386068614

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>>386068221

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This fucking game lads, holy shit.

Should be banned

>>386067132
It's great

I wish there was an easy way to emulate fast-paced DS games that are also heavy on touchscreen controls. Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword is basically impossible to play on emulator.

>>386068860
This but unironically

Emulation is theft and you are retards who believe that emulation and piracy are just copying and they will harm no one. This what you believe is just a big lie! People are working for hours and hours with their love, while losing their blood and sweat, just to make quality products and achieve their happinnes. And what are you doing? You are stealing someones property. Pathetic.

When people pirate, the companies and it’s employees won’t get money, they will be demotivated and die. They loved their work. While demotivated, they will do nothing. Now they will just let their family starve, or die while diseased. You pirates are selfish sociopaths who love getting things for free! Just go crying like a little baby screaming “Why can’t I get this game for PC for free?”.

You wonder why? THEY HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO DO THIS! DO NOT QUESTION THEIR PLANS. If you want this game, buy the console and the game. If you are so poor and if the game is too expensive for your poorfag brain, just get off the screen and get a fucking job you manchildren. Work your ass off, then earn the needed money. Why is it so hard? You are either retarded underage or a mentally ill adults.

Video games MUST always be a luxury for third world shitholes. Third world countries are uncivilized and barbaric, so they deserve to eat shit. If you live in a third world shithole, move fucking away or obey their rules. As many people say, “OBEY YOUR MASTERS” and “THE WEAK SHALL FEAR THE STRONG"

If you are underage, go away from this site and DO NOT EVER THINK ABOUT IT. You thieving niggers aren’t developed and the most of you are retarded. Just drop your child imaginations and live in reality. Truth hurts, but you must love it. Everything must be paid, you brainlets. If you fight against the system and if you are proud to be a filthy pirate, there is a special place in hell waiting for you.

>>386068545
>that shitty pixelated HUD

I can't get over this shit. I just want them to get a libretro core out for this so I can run it native res and throw a shader on it to soften it up. I just can't stand tacky looking pixelated HUDs when emulating shit like this.

>>386068843
It's even better on emulation when you can hack in CD quality music & the PS1 FMV's

http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=23115.0

>>386069061

I miss the times when people actually wrote posts like this instead of just copy pasting everything.

>>386069061
Fuck you, anything older than 20 years should be fair game. Disney literally bribed congress to extend the copyright law. An oversight in the constitution that they didn't elaborate more on it.
Copyright law literally went the wrong direction. Our world is faster paced now, it should be 10 years and then you can pay for two extensions for 5 years each. Really, I don't like that corporations own the copyright and not the original dev teams either but I guess it has to be that way.

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>>386069061

>>386069061
I mean, I agree up until you go all tin foil, but I'm not going to stop because a lot of these games that are older don't see the proceeds go anywhere other than some dude selling it for a huge amount. He didn't really work for anything, he is just transferring his license to another customer at a huge markup.

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>>386069078
It really sucks ass how PCSX2 doesn't support texture swapping or any sort of hacking

I would love to play FFX with high res UI & uncompressed OST, but no, im stuck with the shitty "HD" version

>>386069156
Very nice. My emulator has stutters on the audio, can be a bit annoying. But it doesn't matter too much as I get sucked in the game anyways.

>>386069201
>>386069234
>>386069256
>>386069395
And here comes the pirate fags.

Look, you can use all the technicalities to try and say you don't steal games by claiming it's not a real copy even though by that definition, no digital copies exist and thus digital sales shouldn't count because only a license is being granted. But it still boils down the basic fact that you are using a service that you did not pay for. Even if you use the fallacy of there is no copy of it so it doesn't exist, That's all it is, a fallacy.

Piracy = Theft

And it's the reason why good games die because you people think you can be leeches and there are no repercussions.

And the fact that people are paying a group 40k a month to steal games is proof that money is not the issue. So you can't feign poverty either. It's just plain entitlement and the desire to steal.

>>386069616
I guess when things go off patent and people copy the design that's theft too.
By the way, patents last way less time than copyright does. You think that's right, or fair?

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It's pretty good.

>>386069616
You are genuinely retarded if you think downloading a copy of a game released decades ago, whose publisher and developer are both long gone effects anyone but Ebay re-sellers.

>>386067459
this attitude is what keeps you poor, serf

>>386069616
You don't need false flag this hard, the thread has enough posts already. I know you're doing it to drum up some controversy so the thread can get that boost that'll make it last for hours but it's really not necessary at this point.

If you had told 11 year old me that one day I'd carry around a PS1, N64 and a PSP on a phone in my pocket I would have shit my pants.

>>386069823
>>386069897
Except you're steal a copy of the game, not creating a bootleg version and pawning that off as the real thing. If anything console companies should sue the emulator devs for copyright infringement since they're just reverse engineering their proprietray consoles to run on PC.

If you just admit you're stealing video games and are one of the great cancers to video games along with day 1 DLC, constant patching instead of pushing out a good product day 1, micro transactions, prioritizing story over gameplay, etc. etc. I'll deal with it. But the fact you people act like whiny little bitches pretending you aren't thieves and that the system is unfair to you is just pathetic

>>386069012
WiiU, DS, and 3DS are the #1 ways to play touchscreen heavy DS games still

>>386069848
>Retroarch

*throw up*

>>386069897
Why do you think he's posting it? You're hurting his profits and he might have to stop inflating his prices as much.

>>386069897
Those ebay re-sellers want to make money off their efforts, so what?

>>386070035
>d-does /v/ like me, yet?

>>386069943
Emulation = pirating = lost sale = theft

You ain't paying for what you playing. Ergo, it's theft. Support good games and stop making excuses.

Huge fan of it. Emulated tons of shit. Got to into it though and realized the input lag and inaccuracies would always be there. Now I'm playing on original hardware on a CRT.

>>386069964
Explain how buying a used copy of game released decades ago would influence anything but its price on Ebay. The profits go to merchants, not to anyone involved in its actual creation.

Love it. I emulate games all the time. Oftentimes it's better than official ports.

What is the best place to download PSP? Are there PSP Redumps?

>>386070193
If the only vendors are people who already bought the game, then the money isn't profiting the creators.

>just want to play no more heroes with wii controllers
>convoluted process of getting wii u for 200 dollars and CFWing it
>firmware update just went out so all CFWing is fucked
>only other option is to emulate it on PC which sounds even more retarded

>>386067327
Emulators are superor on phone. Who want to play some handheld game on their pc?

>>386070250
>>386070320
Emulation can hurt independent retro game stores.

Random collectors on eBay are different from people that actually run a video game store as a full time job. Independant viseo game stores NEED to have that retro element, because they just can't compete with GameStop on the modern game market. Good game stores sell their retro games at a fair price, based on quality of the game, demand, and rarity.

>>386069616
Whoa there, champ, I said that I agree, piracy is theft. However, I'm not going to pay a huge markup to play an out of date game. Most of the emulated games I play I own, but I don't want to setup my SNES or Genesis, so I'm still using a much easier medium. For the ones I don't, fuck it, I simply don't care.

Stop being an asshole

>>386068263
Only of you use a controller

>>386069848
I like RetroArch but I wish they would update the fucking PPSSPP core, it's been years, also is the Dolphin core any good? Does it work with Wii games?

>>386070193
I'd support the devs if they weren't dead and released ports, otherwise I'm just giving some random guy money

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>>386070381
>Good game stores sell their retro games at a fair price, based on quality of the game, demand, and rarity.
The kind that don't exist?

>>386070389
Then you're admitting it's outright theft because they have no intention for paying for it.

Good job proving my point. You're a lazy entitled asshole.

>>386070358
stupid phoneshit

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>>386070035
Retroarch is the most powerful race in the world.

>>386068263
Only if you use a controller

>>386070193
Companies need to evolve and grow. If they somehow haven't developed a new product in 20 years, they probably should die anyways.
Honestly, I think the source code should be completely legal once it's off copyright as well.
The branch that doesn't bear fruit should be cut off and discarded in the fire.

>>386068263
By the way, you can use DraStic through BlueStacks on PC and it'll work better than Desmume.

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>>386070504
>>386070490
>>386070587

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>>386069534
KH2 has texture mods, dunno about 1 though.

But you could emulate 1 on RPCS3 now anyway.

>>386070572
>using scanlines on anything but arcade games

retard

>>386070638
Wow now more people have bikes, what a terrible world to live in

>>386070381
Oh, so you're one of those guys who runs a store and does ebay business too.

Fuck off, 500% jackoffer. You're not fooling anybody.

>>386070710
>not using scanlines for games that were played on displays with scanlines
Retard

>>386070482
PPSSPP is still abhorrent, but they've promised the people paying them Patreonbux that there's an update coming in the next month. From what I understand, they basically had to re-write the entire thing because the person who wrote it originally fucked it up so bad that it was no longer compatible with the code PPSSPP was writing.

No clue about Dolphin, I really only it for older stuff.

>>386070638
He stole nothing, he did legally nothing wrong. Are you retarded?

>>386070193
Wow, your response has nothing to do with anything I said and these >>386070320 >>386070490 >>386070587 retards still fell for it.

>>386070725
Those businesses don't overprice their games. Rarity and demand are factors in the pricing. Also, they are doing everyone a favor by making retro games easier and faster to obtain.

>>386070638
>>386070782
Not to mention in this case, the price would actually be $312 for what was originally $79 brand new at release.

>>386070756
Most home CRTs didn't have visible scanlines.

Yes yes I know Sony PVMs and BVMs have scanlines, but those weren't consumer TVs those are special medical and broadcasting monitors not the family TV you'd plug your Nintendo into.

>>386070782
Theft:
>In common usage, a theft is the illegal taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
I don't give a shit if you emulate, I do as well, but trying to argue that emulation is not theft has always been the cowardly faggot's way of justifying his actions. You're stealing, just fucking man up to it you little bitch.

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>>386070882
>Those businesses don't overprice their games.
>Also, they are doing everyone a favor

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>>386070710
What about LCD shaders for games that had LCD grids?

>>386070976
The bike is still right there, the original owner can do as he please with it

>>386070717
Why are you entitled to a free bike? Why are you entitled to the product of someone else's labor?

>>386071018
Would look nice if it was in a small screen but that thing in a PC monitor would be very annoying to the eyes.

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Have more fun on actual hardware, I get kind of obsessed over any inaccuracy, so. Uses a fuckton less electricty as well.

Although, I do burn a few games here an there (mod-chip, etc) because fuck paying £150 for SOTN from a RETRO RARE MUST SEE! reseller.

>>386070067
They BARELY increase the price. Sometines you should be genorous in order to do the right thing.

>>386070976
The crime for copying something is copyright infringement, not theft and is bullshit that nobody enforces unless they're absolutely forced (like when a company is actually losing money and complains).

>>386070976
>this nigger can't even get the laws between theft and copyright infringement straight
Waiting for the food analogy now.

>>386070976
>illegal taking of another person's property or services
What property did he take? The bike is still there, and the copy isn't the seller's property either. What services did he steal? The seller didn't provide him any service, and no, building a product is not a service. Intellectual property is not the same as physical property dude, if you're gonna argue the morality of piracy and emulation, start with IP. Don't muddy the argument with poor comparisons to physical products, it doesn't work like that.

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>>386070970
My Trinitron absolutely has visible scanlines.

Not my photo, but similar.

>>386071089
Because it's free.

>>386070381
>Emulation can hurt independent retro game stores.
Good. The ones I've been to are run by faggot hipsters who charge $20 for a loose copy of Mario 64. Emulation preserves these games for the future. Those cartridges and disk will rot one day.

>>386071071
>>386071252
He can't sell the bike anymore, as a buisness owner he has no incentive to make or keep stokcing bikes. Video games are a business. You're stealing the services of the creator. Building a product is absolutely a service.

>>386068720
Cycle accuracy is a meme, you don't need it to have a super accurate emulator, like Genesis Plus GX for example. Also the Mednafen PSX core is more accurate than the PSX emulator created by Sony for the classic titles on PS3/PS4.

>>386071178
>They BARELY increase the price
Nigga...

>>386071089
Because I have a cloning machine that can get me that bike without actually depriving the owner of anything. Any payment in a world like this is simply charity showing appreciation for his work and nothing more

>>386071267
It's not free though. You just stole it illegally.

>>386071337
Every now and then it does become an actual issue though. Like project 64's problem handling the archery ranges on the zelda games. I mean, you can work around it, but if it was accurate to begin with you wouldn't have to.

I started on Genecyst which was one of the hackiest emulators every made, and it worked just fine as far as I was concerned though. Just saying it's not a meme when it can actually create issues.

>>386071313
>Building a product is absolutely a service.
No it's fucking not, it's a process. The seller isn't selling his bike-building services, he's selling the physical bike. The analogy is also ass, because the pirate literally created something from nothing in order to "copy" the bike. What he did was steal the intellectual property, which falls more into the realm of copyright infringement. Get your arguments straight and stop using bad analogies to articulate your points.

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>this thread
loving every kek

>>386071252
The game companies owns the intellectual property rights to that game, and emulating it violates those rights.
>>386071385
>without actually depriving the owner of anything.
You're depriving the owner of the money he is owed for the bike you stole. The video game industry isn't a charity, that's just entitled mentality from thieves like you.

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>>386069848
>using RetroArch

>>386071560
I didnt steal anything, I used my own cloning gun to make a copy of his bike at no loss to him. Would you complain if I just cloned the materials he used to build the bike and then built it myself?

>>386071276
So you're saying the collectors that actually put the effort into preserving retro games shouldn't be compensated because you're too cheap/lazy.

>>386067132
I THINK IT IS FUN

>>386071554
Nintendo 64 emulation being bad has nothing to do with accurary though, the hardware is complex and most of the emulators seem to be plugin based which halts progress on basically all fronts.

>>386071698
what am i looking at

>>386071560
Intellectual property is different from physical property, ie a bike. Stop using your shitty bike analogy, it sucks.

Anyway, there is no dispute that emulation is stealing intellectual property, but the situation there is quite different and more vague. When I buy a game, do I own the game, or am I simply paying for the privilege to play it? Additionally, what if the game is 20-30 years old and the company that made it doesn't exist anymore? Do you see how this issue is more murky than bicycle theft?

>>386071560
>The game companies owns the intellectual property rights to that game, and emulating it violates those rights.
For the majority of old games the copyright owners likely don't even know what they own or give a shit. You are literally whiteknighting for corporations about something they don't give a fuck about because its not profitable and therefore they aren't losing profits by someone downloading the ROM.

I mostly use emulation when I want to play one or two games on a system I don't have.
It's a shame that companies don't seem to give a shit about older software and just want to push new stuff all the time, there's surely demand for older titles but nobody aside from the hardware developers themselves could actually make good emulators without an obscene amount of effort, and if they do then they just go and put in on the new console again to start the cycle all over again.

>>386071698
If that's either the Saturn or the PSP core, yeah, you shouldn't use Retroarch for that. Saturn emulation is kind dicey in general though.

Use what you like! I really like the various options to reduce input lag, the shader library, and the interface that works on a TV. It's still a program that was made by neckbeards for neckbeards to a certain extent, but the cores I use it for work great.

>>386071715
You stole the owner's intellectual property causing losses for his buisness. Emulating a pre existing game is not the same as building your own from scratch.

>>386071558
>The seller isn't selling his bike-building services, he's selling the physical bike.
Which he bought from the bike-builder, with money from selling his bikes. If people are just "copying" bikes the bike builder cannot make any money from his bikes and has no incentive to make bikes. The pirate did not create something from "nothing" his illegal copy was created from stolen intellectual property.

You are stealing. You're stealing money. By your definition, if you go into a massage parlor and leave without paying, you didn't steal anything because you didn't take anything away, and thus it's morally okay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services

>>386072145
no on cares

>>386070976
The courts disagree with you, as well as common sense. It's copyright infringement, which has always traditionally elapsed during the lifetime of the original creators. This is good because it enables other creators to more easily reference the pasts work and become inspired by it while still ensuring the creator makes money off it. Restricting forever is insane and our culture certainly wouldn't be as rich or as advanced if copyright had gone on forever like it now does thanks to disney bribing congress, which ironically used out of copyright works for a large amount of their success.

>>386071748
They didn't make the game, why do they deserve people's money? Preserving it is just that, preserving it. It in no way entitled them to sales of the actual product. What if I have a friend who decides to give me a game he no longer wants, am I wrongfully depriving eBay sellers of a sale?

>>386072145
I take it youre against resale then?

>>386071928
>Doesn't notice the weird ass physics of the balls
That alone should be obvious, but clearly this is why people think emulators are still 'good'...

>>386072232
>>386071953
>Not a SINGLE restaurant carries the food I want. It's an extremely rare dish and can only be sold by shady people in side-street markets
>talk to the chef
>Oh great, so now in addition I have to pay thousands of dollars for ONE meal and I hope to hope it'll taste good.
Here's the thing you missed: you aren't "entitled" to video games. If nobody makes the meal, move on with your life. You're not entitled to steal that meal from chefs just because "b-b-but I waaaant it!" I understand this is a board for video games, but the people here act like literal children about this shit.

>>386072078
Very cool, can you also bump up the internal resolution in rpcs3?

>>386072365
Not yet, which is why ultrawide hacks currently look awful.

>>386072301
They are preserving them by keeping them safe and clean. If some greasy slob had the games they'll probably get sratched and stained

Emulated games are just piarted digital copies, retro game collectors keep original copies that you can play on the original systems. They deserve to make money off their efforts, what's wrong with that?

>>386072145
>You stole the owner's intellectual property causing losses for his buisness
There is literally no way to give money to the creators at this point and in most cases even the people who own the intellectual property presently (not that you should).

What's the main problems with PPSSPP?

>>386069061

I don't even care.

>>386072101
The fuck?

What is the Virtual Console
What is the NES and SNES classic
What is Xbox One's backwards compatibility
What is all the HD remasters and collections


Companies cash in on nostalgia all the time by selling you emulated games and rehashes.

>>386072145
You're very confused. Not paying for a service that was rendered to you is not the same as copying a design and creating a duplicate. You're talking about IP theft, not service theft. Please use your brain a bit.

>>386072462
see
>>386072345

>>386070358
People who want tactile buttons to push

>>386072345
This analogy makes zero sense unless you can copyright dishes because the crime isn't theft you stupid cunt.

>>386067132
It's a great thing, what more needs to be said?


>>386069234
>unfortunate that the corporations own the copyright and not the dev team

If I contract some dudes to build a deck off my house and pay for their labor and the materials, they don't own the finished deck just because they built it and I spent the construction time jacking off or whatever.

>>386072539
>>386072196
You pirates seem to care since you keep responding to it.

>>386072648

I care about letting you know that i don't care.

>>386071928
>>386072336
Except that's not it. What is shown in the webm is what happens when you switch to a 6-button controller layout in retroarch, the dpad presses go batshit.

There's nothing inaccurate as far as emulation goes in that webm.

>>386072145
>stole intellectual property
Mentioning ip rights isnt giving an argument, might as well just say "its theft because its theft". The concept of IP is a confused mess to begin with

>>386072602
The crime is theft of services you retard

By your logic, if you go into a massage parlor and leave without paying, you didn't steal anything because you didn't take anything away, and thus it's morally okay.

>>386072510
Really not a lot. The Retroarch core sucks until they re-write it though.

>>386072545
Things that would be better if they weren't on consoles
It's just delaying the inevitable

>>386072461
>They deserve to make money off their efforts, what's wrong with that?
They are not entitled to anyone's money. Literally by your logic, if a friend gives me his old game for free, I am depriving collectors of the money they deserve for their hard work. Only the company deserves money for the game they produced. Emulation deprives companies/producers of sales, collectors/re-sellers are an entirely different matter.

>>386072717
In other words you do care.

>>386072641
They own the design so that if anyone wants a deck that looks like yours, you have to contract those same guys.

>>386072345
>Food analogy

>>386071748
>>386072461
I don't want physical copies and old consoles taking up space. I don't give a shit about playing it on the original console.

>>386072805

About letting you know i don't care
yes

>>386072730
>The crime is theft of services you retard
>You're not entitled to steal that meal from chefs
I didn't read that as what you intended it to mean. Either way this has literally nothing to do with video game piracy, which has always been copyright infringement.

>>386072797
If you can't buy a non-essential thing you shouldn't have it. Getting expensive luxury stuff you didn't earn defeats the purpose of an economy and free market. Games are legally allowed to be traded and resold used.

>>386072717
oh you care ho ho look at you mister care bear ha gay man

Mention 1 (one) game that has been cancelled because of pirates.

>>386072898
Letting me know you don't care when in truth you really do care. Glad you understand now.

>>386072909
The data of the game is intellectual property, which is against the free market you dumb motherfucker.

>>386071410
Still free.

>>386072552
Why does it matter? It's still theft either way. Stop arguing semantics and use your brain a bit. Emulation is theft of services.

>>386072943

but how letting you know that i care about letting you know that i dont care makes me a gay bear, Anon.

are you ok

>>386072981

but Anon

i dont care

Pretty good. For some reason i only play ps2 on actual hardware, just hate pcsx2. But i got rid of my wii and GC for Dolphin it actually makes the experience drastically better, especially wii. Ppsspp is pretty good to.
>>386073023
Intellectual property is property. Which is the cornerstone of our socisl contract and capitilism you dumb motherfucker.

>>386072971
Okami 2
Every other sequel that would have been on the Vita if catastrophic piracy rates on the PSP had not scared devs away

>>386073038
By that logic everything is free if you can steal it.

Just to let you guys know, I reported you all to Nintendo for stealing.

>>386072909
>Games are legally allowed to be traded and resold used.
Yes, but getting them for free is not wrongfully depriving them if a sale, since they didn't produce it.
>Situation: company made game 20 years ago and no longer exists or earn money from it
>Person 1 emulates the game and does not own it
>Person 2 gets the game from a friend who gives it to him for free
In both cases did no one buy it from a re-seller. Why is the second one ok but the first one is not? Keep in mind we're talking about re-sellers here, not the original company.

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It's pretty awesome. I enjoy getting to play games i missed out on from previous gens. Even if they aren't perfectly emulated. Almost all games can be played and enjoyed to the fullest extent.

>>386073203
>>386072971
Piracy can be harmful to new games.
However, I am curious, name a single game that has ever been hurt by being ""Pirated"" 10 years after release and prevented a sequel.

>>386069061
I don't really care about pirates and I don't know why other people do.

>>386073096
>i dont care
>still replying

We already established you do care

>>386071089
Im not. I just don't give a shit.

>>386073121
>Intellectual property is property
No it isn't.

>>386068121
chads want to play zelda not old as fuck gaymes

>>386073271

anon pls understand that i dont care so i can stop replying

pls anon
pls understand

>>386073096
you care while I fuck your mum you know it to be true

>>386072720
Why isn't it an argument? Just because you don't like the concept IP doesn't make it ok for you to disregard the property rights of others. It's theft because it's theft.

>>386072981
>>386073096

Can you two 12 year olds go do something else. You're too young to be here.

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>>386068263
>mfw I blow air into the phone during Ace Attorney 1 and it works

>>386073379

Fine.
I was getting bored anyways.

>>386073352
If you didn't care you wouldn't keep replying

So really you do care

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the cucklords in this thread are pretty mad I get to play the superior versions of games for free

>>386073070
>Emulation is theft of services.
Semantics fucking matter when you're trying to define what laws you're breaking or morals you're harming. Theft of services is not the same as IP theft, you fucking idiot. Do you think that intellectual property is the same as a service?

>>386073356

no

It amazes me how 4chan hates black people for stealing and then justifies stealing in another form.

>its not stealing because of my retarded logic

Company makes product, you still get said product without paying.

How is that not stealing?

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>>386067132
Playing right now dolphin, I have like 50 games and I already have most of them but I rather play it this way.

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>>386070638
this fucking comic

>>386073467
I wouldn't say they are superior some games just dont emulate well. You do have access to fan translations and mods though which adds a lot to the experience

>>386073070
>Emulation is theft of services.
It literally in the eyes of the legal system is not, stop being retarded.

>>386073253

Wait
The Vita can run Gamecube games?

>>386073231
>>386073538
Its intellectual property you fucking retards, by you're logic if I hack into a company and steal their trade secrets and then saying its not a crime because I didn't steal the physical property.

They made a product, you didn't pay for it, that's theft.

Do you expect game developers to work for free?

Stop using retard logic to justify nigger behaviour.

>>386073359
It's not an argument because it doesn't demonstrate why it's theft of property when said property is still right there in front of its original user, and he can do with it as he pleases

>>386069848
>boktai
my nigga
i almost had a heatstroke on the day i bought it because i forgot to take off my jacket while playing it in the sun

>>386073693
>Do you expect game developers to work for free?
No, which is why I'm against paying people who didn't work on the game for a copy of it.

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>>386073672
Through moonlight. Steam games as well.

>>386073312
It's literally in the name.
Do you believe that sony has the right to release every single mario game on ps4 free of charge without a penny to nintendo? Why or why not? Ip is the backone of modern capitilism without it r&d would not exist because every firm would be able to undercut each other. For example apple researches a new iPhone it costs 100billion to develop. And $30 to produce. Without ip Samsung could sell the phone for $30 and apple couldn't or else they would never recoup the $100billion and thus would go bankrupt eventually if they keep developing new products.

>>386073569
>4chan hates black people
>/v/ is one person
Explain the multiple threads of people busting their nuts over Marina, or any delicious brown character.
>inb4 none of those are black because I say so

>>386073758

Oooo boi
Time to get a Vita

Guys help me i'm just a simple retard that can't emulate past the 5th gen wat do.

I like emulation, but it tends to easily create a problem where you have too many games. I have loads of ROMs that I downloaded years ago and still haven't played.

>people are THIS assblasted about people downloading 15 year old games

Give me a game that I can play on my 3 hour trainride tomorrow

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People who keep clamoring that emulation isnt stealing because it doesnt remove an original are just purposefully subscribing to an outdated way of thinking of copyright and digital theft.

Okay piratefags, youre right, when you emulate a game the dev isnt losing any money at that very moment. Congratulations, youve explained the basic idea of copying a file!

But anyone with half a brain thats ready to put aside their emotions for a moment will come to the truth that illegal copying is a new definition of theft that has previously never existed in reality.

Face it; after emulating a game for the first time, it just gets easier and easier. And from doing so, the more likely you are to emulate a game rather than pay for it.

Are you stealing all this content though? YES. Does it remove the original? NO. Can the definition of theft change in this crazy digital age we live in? Be honest; YES.

tl;dr - I wish pirates would just be more honest about the negative effects emulation has on video ggames. Im not saying that this means accepting that if you emulate a game that dev is going to go bankrupt, but I am saying that we should stop pretending that it isn't extremely harmful. We should be HONEST and OBJECTIVE when discussing how we think emulation affects the industry rather than bicker over semantics

>>386073693
>Its intellectual property you fucking retards
Yes, that's what I fucking said. For the millionth time, IP is not the same as a service. And IP theft is much more murky than product or service theft. Literally look at any legislation or court case for examples of how murky it can be.

>>386073632
>I wouldn't say they are superior some games just dont emulate well.
Most games do though.

>>386073853
It's been the coolest use for it so far. No lag and dragons dogma at 60fps is cool. Started twilight princess and metroid prime runs as well.

>>386073775
The iphone goes off patent in 20 years. By that time, literally no one will care.

Of course, the trademark, iPhone, does not go off patent since a trademark is distinctly different from copyright as well as patents.

>>386070638
Owner didn't lose money. He lost POTENTIAL money

>>386073903
>muh theft

>>386073738
It's violating the property rights of the owner. It's theft of services.

>>386073748
So by your logic it's ok to steal as long as it isn't being sold directly by the creator?

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>>386070638
If that guy can create stuff from nothing, why doesn't he just become the God-Emperor of Man and just rule over a post-scarcity utopia?

>>386073992
>illegal copying is a new definition of theft that has previously never existed in reality.
Nigger what the fuck is illegitimate book copying/printing then?

>>386073982
Metroid Fusion for GBA
Wario Land 3

I like emulation because I think old games are usually more fun than newer games.

>>386073982
Dragon Quest.

>>386073992
>oh no, Nintendo will lose 1 (one) shekel from me downloading a 30 year old room

>>386074006
Thats true. Unfortunately games like the last story still haven't been properly emulated. I think with time they get better though.

>>386074136
Potential money is the entire reason that bike and video games exist in the first place.

>>386074087
>>386074191
fuck
did this really look this bad

>>386074146
>So by your logic it's ok to steal as long as it isn't being sold directly by the creator?
What is being """stolen""" in this instance? There's no way for the creator to profit and the re-seller doesn't own the bullshit copyright.

>>386073992
Can you prove anything you just said? Furthermore, why did piracy go down in many countries significantly after they got easy access to games via steam if pirating is a slippery slope? Piracy is simply the new reality.

>>386074171
>>386074195
alright cool

I believe IP owners have every right to do what they please with their ip. However the current system for public domain is broken, and should be fixed to incentivize or at least not punish companies for letting you download old roms and shit. Orignally it would just expire after awhile however this was changed to accommodate companies such as disney who obviously would be screwed losing mickey mouse. This makes perfect sense however take something like nintendo for example. If they make an old as fuck mario game public domain. What happens to people ripping off the characters, sprites etc? People stealing shit they still use now? They need a happy middle ground where it's not public domain but your free to do with as you please with abandoned games. Of course eshop makes this somewhat irrelevant.

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>>386074253
yes

>>386074253
No resolution wasn't as high on old tv's so it didnt look nearly so shitty.

Tge main concern is interest in the industry and potential to buy not that lots of people like your shit and emulate it thus creating more customer base.

>>386074146
A bike is not a service

>>386073992
Emulation is taking games meant for other systems and running them on (generally) newer/modern systems, usually a PC. The vast majority of the time it's for games that are 15+ years old, and are no longer sold by the game company (they literally do not and cannot make money on those original games anymore). Exactly how is it "extremely" harmful to Sega if I emulate Sonic 2? And what if I already own the physical game and system?

>>386074368
Mario falls under trademark law I believe. As it should, however the games and their sourcecode should not fall under trademark law but instead copyright law.

>>386067132
A great way to breathe new life into older games that have been abandoned by their creators.

>>386074168
>>386074195
>expecting pirates, with their broken morale compass, to be decent human beings.

lol

I always hate the faggots in these threads that don't know that you don't need to pirate to emulate, and that emulation is not piracy.

>>386074131
And...? My point stands if we don't allow ip, patents and the likes the system would essentially collapse.

>>386073992
>discussing how we think emulation affects the industry rather than bicker over semantics
It effects the reseller industry exclusively, in a negative way, which is a good thing for everybody else.

>>386073775
>modern capitalism
No such thing, everything materials is subuct to human values.

>>386074426
The creation of the bike is a service. Which is meant to be sold for profit. You aren't taking the original bike but you are stealing from the owner.

>>386074480
I don't disagree, it's just stupid that copyright lasts essentially forever when it's been demonstrated that copyright going away after most profitability has been lost is beneficial for everyone.

>>386070358
Nothing gaming related is superior on phones.

>>386073992
Most emulated games can't be emulated during the lifespan of the game on the regular market; or by the time you can emulate the game, that console generation has already died and the money they were profiting from has already been dealt.
We still don't have a decent 360 emulator, or ps3 emulator. And yet we're on xbone and ps4.
We still don't have a decent 3ds emulator, or dsi features properly emulated. I'm sure nintendo is gonna make some new mainly portable system, but we haven't even figured out two generations ago how to emulate them properly.
The only ones this is harming are the ones taking advantage of "muh collectors muh rare muh nostalgia" market, which has always been an extremely toxic and not very fruitful market outside of the very top of respective markets.

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>>386067132
>using native graphics
you
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

>>386074457
Yes. But it gets messy what you can and can't do with a public domain supermario world. What's in it for nintendo to risk something like that? I understand they are a bad example because eshop. But some companies probably wouldn't give a shit otherwise.

>>386068771
I love this game.

>>386072462
>>386074503
You aren't entitled to play it at all you goddamn chode. What you want and are comfortable with don't factor into it at all because you don't have some inalienable right to every game.

>>386074464
It's not a morale issue, I just don't care. I don't want to rebuy the same 15 games over and over again to play them by official means. It's easier and a better economical choice to just get it for free and keep full romsets on my hard drive.

Is RomHustler a good site for ROMs, no that Emuparadise has been fucked by Nintendo?

>>386074545
>The creation of the bike is a service
No it isn't. Why even have the distinction if literally everything is a service?

>>386074710
Just get the fullsets from archive.org

>>386074729
>The creation of the bike isn't a service
It literally is though.

>>386074729
Because somethings are material services and others are non material services.

>>386067132
I'm for it and doing it right now. I'd say 2/3rds of all my pc playtime is just emulating.

>>386074564
It's hard to gauge. Cherry got fucked losing their patent. I mean you could say profitability of old nes roms was lost years ago but then eshop came and challenged that. A renewal process is perfectly adequate

>>386067632
PC Engine Duo-r and Rx don't have the cap problem yet, but the original CD add- on and the first Duo model do. You'd want an rgb mod anyway, so you might as well have the duo/add-on recapped by the modder. The bigger issue is the CD laser, some of the games can be a real bitch to get working properly even though the disks look mint. I've had the audio especially crap out in quite a few games which is annoying as he'll considering how much I spent on it. Then you need to clean your disksand lens thoroughly and sometimes adjust the potentiometer.

Do you guys recommend Retroarch? i've been interested to take a look a it.

>>386074427
Using anything for free that people made as their occupation hurts the economy

>>386070381
>Emulation can hurt independent retro game stores.
This might be the only time that I can genuinely say that I don't give a shit. I even feel guilty about pirating Ubisoft games, but hurting second hand stores whose profits don't benefit the creators of the games in any way whatsoever? Fuck them hard.

>>386074586
>>386074503
It's good when independant stores make profits because they often have areas when you can play games with other people and they often host gaming tournaments.

It's better to play a game on the hardware it was designed for. Tourneys are one of the best parts of local gaming communities.

>>386067132

LTTP Randomizer has been getting a lot of time from me recently. Love how it breathed life into my favorite snes game

>>386074659
Nobody is entitled to money for any game that's so old its not currently being sold first hand.

>>386074796
So you actually believe literally everything is a service? Even if you're clearly selling an item, it's still a service?

>>386073758
Can the vita handle mystic knight shenanigans?

I think its a great tool to preserve older games.

>>386067132
Good ass bait, OP. You're using all the worst emulators out there like no one is going to notice.

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>>386067132
> Not using Retroarch

>>386069964
>should sue the emulator devs for copyright infringement since they're just reverse engineering their proprietray consoles to run on PC.

Emulation and reverse engineering isn't illegal,you can't create a competitive capitalist environment if companies can't learn from each other.

>>386074857
Take a lot of patience to set it up and the GUI is hated by half the people, but if you think it's worth your time then go for it, some of the best emulators are only available through it.

>>386074864
If it hurts the part of the economy that's solely occupied by "indie retro stores", then I'm honestly not too bothered.

>>386070358
dumb phoneposter

>>386073268
Piracy can end up burying a good game or having a good game get a sequel. Because the money people just look at the total cost, units sold, and the ROI of the project. People cry about franchises dying, the reason why is that they don't sell dick or had a off sequel.

Why are you guys so autistic about emulators? I played all these games as a kid, why would it matter if the experience is exactly the same down to the last pixel?

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>>386074864
>piracy is a problem!
How many of these buyers pirated it?
Main concern is interest if no one pirates your shit its because is a shit game, pirates market and buy shit too.

>>386070338
WiiU updates don't touch vWii mode.

>>386075049
How the hell are kega fusion and epsxe the worst for their respective consoles?

>>386075116
Is there a reason why you didn't name one?

People who are anti emulation should be anti VC, anti PSN classic games, anti GoG, and anti Xbone backwards compat.

>>386074893
>>386075084
So you're saying the collectors that actually put the effort into preserving retro games shouldn't be compensated because you're too cheap/lazy.

>>386075079
Emulating games for free that your'e supposed to pay for is the opposite of a capitalist environment. It's basically communism

>>386069061
nah
they will be remembered for their good deeds for the rest of time

>>386074545
>The creation of the bike is a service
Which the bike seller paid for. The customer doesn't pay for that service, beyond recouping that cost for the seller in the final price. Making a copy of the bike is IP theft, NOT service theft. How are you still not getting this?

>>386075232
Kega is good but outdated as fuck, Genesis Plus GX is a lot better, and ePSXe doesn't hold a candle to Mednafen.

>>386075241
He did though, read the reply chain
>>386075256
Why would I be anti property owners making money off their work?

>>386075083
When the fuck is the Wimp GUI coming? SP's rolling in Patreon dosh, you'd think he'd go for mass appeal instead of backporting Retroarch to Windows 98.

>>386075006
Been playing as a magick archer literally no frame drops only about 40 hours in though

>>386074864
The economy is meant to serve people, people aren't meant to serve the economy. And I don't give about resellers, they didn't make the fucking game, they aren't entitled to any sales.

>>386067289
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Can cemu run botw 100$% yet?

>>386075375
You are blaming "emulation" as a main cause of piracy. You should be saying "piracy is the main cause of piracy".

>>386075305
>Which the bike seller paid for.
With money from bike sales. The customer effectively pays for the service, and by copying the bike you are committing theft of a sale which means the seller cannot pay the creator anymore, rendering the bike creation service dead.

>>386075232
Retroarch version of Mednafen is much better than epsxe. You can change the internal resolution and don't have to mess with plugins at all. Genesis Plus GX is also better than Kega.
Also, mGBA is by far the best GBA emulator out there.

>>386075305
Didn't read the thread. But the company who designed the bike paid money for research and development to real humans who developed the bike. Why do you retards pretend per unit cost is the only cost? Congrats videogames are free cause digital downloads have no variable costs! Heard gta V cost $0 to make and with no sales it'd be profitable! We aren't stealing! The download costs nothing and I'm to retarded to understand development costs!

>>386075289
>Emulating games for free that your'e supposed to pay for is the opposite of a capitalist environment
Games you were supposed to pay for you mean. You know, money for the people who deserve it instead of freeloaders who just happen to own a version of it or the copyright.

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Love it.
I end up playing emulated games even for consoles I own, just because I'm too lazy to fix them or deal with discs and load times.

>>386073992
says the guy who pirated an image belonging to The Simpsons™

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>>386067132
I think it's the best way to play old games and some new ones, but I generally avoid it if I can.
If I have to play something on an emulator it severely dampens any enthusiasm I have towards the game and drops it to the bottom of my backlog immediately.

>>386075540
Emulators retain interest in the game, there is no evidence for emulators hurting any industry, people who pirate end up buying the new games at day 1.

>>386073992
>negative effects
they're all older games
money doesn't go to them because 99% of the time you'll be purchasing used shit

>>386075523
>You are blaming "emulation" as a main cause of piracy
Yes because I'm sure the majority of you fags are emulating original backups you made from your physical collection, and not roms and isos you pirated off the internet. give me a break

When are they going to release cores for Mesen and BGB on RetroArch? I love these emulators.

>developer puts in thousands of hours of work
>entitled brats believe they're entitled to the finished product for free because it's "just a copy"

Real fucking sound logic you got there, emulatorfags

>>386073992
>a new definition of theft that has previously never existed in reality.
Oh no he is retarded.

>>386075581
>just happen to own the copyright.
Yeah, i just woke up a copyright owner of mario! Didn't develop it, fund it, publish it, buy it, buy it's owner, copyright it myself or anything! It's all random. They spin a roulette wheel to decide who gets to own it!

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I pirate because I enjoy it.
I don't pay for anything and get to play the game.
More than that, it makes you mad, and your tears are delicious.

Why should I pay a cent for a thing that only makes you waste so much time?
Why should I pay for anything when I can just make a copy of it?

>b-but they won't make more gaemz

lol fuck your hobby do something productive.

>>386075289
Different than those anons but question: What is an argument against emulation that isn't also against second hand stores?

>>386075349
Still not worst. There's lots of things to consider, like compatibility, availability, ease of use. For real low level accuracy you need a serious cpu even for the SNES, and that's not always practical. There must be shittons of emulators that are far worse than in OP's pic.

>>386068545
I gave up on KH and bought the hd version for PS3 because I couldn't get those fucking lines in the water at the beach to go away.

Did you find a way or did it just not bother you?

>>386075786
>developer puts in thousands of hours of work
>entitled resellers believe they're entitled to the money for the finished product for free because it's "just a copy"

>>386075289
>So you're saying the collectors that actually put the effort into preserving retro games shouldn't be compensated because you're too cheap/lazy.
They're not "collectors" who are "preserving retro games", they're scavengers sell old games for a living.

Also, I'm not saying "they shouldn't be compensated because I'm cheap/lazy/gay/whatever", I'm saying I don't care if they live or die, period, because their existence bears no relevance to whether or not actual game creators get reimbursed for their hard work.

>>386075701
Stop implying then moralfag.

>>386075786
>emulation means piracy
Fuck off my man. Do three seconds of research before spouting bullshit.

>>386075581
>Games you were supposed to pay for you mean.
Yes.

>money for the people who deserve it instead of freeloaders who just happen to own a version of it or the copyright.
The "freeloaders" paid the people who deserve it for the copies or the copyright legally. You're freeloading by emulating games you were supposed to pay for.

>>386075786
Eat a dick, I support the industry but also support the rights of people to emulate.

>>386075672
I usually just pick up a game on an emulator if I never got to check it out that gen. I like to collect games though so if i dig it i usually would look for a copy around town or online

So here in my country(third world) the console that can be pirated(piracy) outsells every other console that isnt so in the ps2 and xbox era the ps2 was the best seller in the wii ps3 and xbox 360 the wii and the xbox 360 where the best seller But now that the ps4 and xbone are not getting pirated they are not selling well in our countries, so what does all this means piracy was making more sells in consoles than any other measure in third world countries.

>>386072123
Saturn emulation is alright, at least all the games I tried on Mednafen worked without issues, only problem is the lack of save states but that hardly bothers me.

>>386075786
If you read the thread you'd realize that copyright expiration is literally good for the economy and perfectly in line with capitalist ideals.
Take your (you) anyways bait boy.

>>386075914
>>386075890
>>386075792
>>386075690
>>386075682
>>386075632
>>386075490
>>386075295
dude games don't just grow off trees, if people don't buy them then devs would have no reason to make them.

Look I know getting free stuff is nice and all but its selfish to pirate, the only reason why these games are made is so they can sell, they don't sell then we don't get games.

>complains about anti-piracy measures that don't hurt legitimate customers
>claims he would have bought the game otherwise

>I'm not willing to pay for this game but it's still worth my time

You need to do something with your lives.

>>386075809
Try to tell me who owns the copyright for the video game Thunder Zone/Desert Assault.

I'm currently emulating a game I own because I can't be fucked to get it out of storage find all the cords and shit. "Original experience" is greatly overrated.

>>386075965
Yeah, that's a good way of doing it. I just prioritize my physical games for completion before I get on ones I have no choice but to emulate. It has a different feel than playing the ones in my collection.

I like cartridges too much to do it with retro games

I like the graphic mods you can do with PS2/GC/Wii though

>>386075896
They are collectors who presere these games by keeping them safe and clean. If some greasy slob had the games they'll probably get sratched and stained.

They won't decay if the collectors keep the games safe and clean. Piracy causes independant game stores to lose sales.

>>386076034
I agree, which is why I don't buy overpriced used games and use emulators/flash carts/burned disks.

>>386073758
Damn. Vita is really becoming the succesor of the PSP

If you are emulating it means the game didn't come out on pc. Which means i couldn't give a fuck about paying them. It's not "moral" I'm not entitled to it, and i understand and respect trying to stop me. But why should i give a fuck about devs/publishers that don't give a fuck about me and never wanted my business anyway? Take my payment in the form of your shitty exclusive deal you got paid for.

>>386073203
>Okami 2

literally don't know what that is but I assume some stupid weeb shit so I'll go back to not caring and pirate away

>>386076034
Nintendo isn't going to go bankrupt because I downloaded some old Super Nintendo games.

>>386067132
I just finished playing MGS1 with my PS4 controller, feels good man.

>>386076020
>>386076043
Just because you don't like who owns the copyright and it isn't expired doesn't mean its ok to violate their rights and steal.

>>386073758
I always get a black screen on moonlight, what are your settings?

Explain this to me;
I bought a game. Cool, great, good shit.
I give that game to a friend. No exchange of goods or services or money, just gave it to him. Or her if you enjoy cooties.

Family buys one copy of a game. Fuck it, let's say they bought it from Nintendo themselves, since fictional story and shit.
Multiple people now share that one game.

Maybe the gaming gods smile upon you one day and you just find a game sitting on the sidewalk.
No scratches or damage, it's even got the fucking manual still with it.


At which point did the use of the game become immoral or "illegal"?

It's the only way for console games to exists beyond the life of the original hardware

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>>386069061
>>386069616
>>386069964
goods that can be copied cannot be stolen. That's a scientific fact.
>but muh blood and sweat
get a real job. Making game is an art, and as such should be supported by patrons only.
Subhumanns that deny fact like you should be hanged as enabler and defender of the kikes

>>386073203
>Okami 2
Now this is shitposting.

>>386076191
Thanks for admitting you're cancer killing video games piratefag.

>>386067132
I only emulate games from series that I've bought a game from

>>386075540
It doesn't matter what factors into the final price of the product. Copying the design and making your own bike (either with your own parts or a "clone gun") is IP theft, not service theft.

>>386076285
When there is more than one copy at a time, you break licensing agreement and copyright.
How is this so hard to get? I pirate all the time, but people trying to justify it past "i like free shit" sickens me.

>>386076281
I asked a question, how about this time you try and tell me who owns the rights to New Zero Team?

>>386076305
>>386076220
>>386076158
Congratulations.

You must've just turned 20.

Anyone over 20 who argues for emulation and treating video games like a patronage instead of a business is literally a NEET or welfare slob who probably is voting for Bernie and thinks he's entitled to whatever the fuck he likes.

Degenerate fucks. Want to play game? You have to buy it. No ifs, ands or buts.

Inform yourself before purchases and read reviews like a normal consumer. "Try before you buy" relies on the goodwill of humans, which doesn't exist naturally.

>>386076289
>what is fpga

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Ask a person what they think about emulation.
Then ask them what they think about pirating.
If the answers aren't the same consider them a retard ans move on.

>>386076034
all the games are old and all the copies are used so you won't be paying them directly anyways
emulation is preservation
If I was a dev and I cared about games, I would have no problem piracy to preserve my work

only super kikes care about that shit

>>386075841
Doesn't make any of them worth using aside from snes9X and maybe DesmuME but that's only because no alternative exists(Melon is coming along OK though and there's word that Drastic might open source soon which would open a pathway for a desktop version).

The other three are dogshit.

>>386073693
Honestly, piracy brings up an interesting point that shows we simply don't have a good answer for the value of concepts in terms of extending our existing system. It even pokes some holes in the existing system for physical goods.

For example, a guy gathers up the iron, rubber, etc. to make a bike. A bike is made. Bike is sold for money, more than the price of the parts that went in to the creation of the bike.

A guy makes another bike. A different guy, seeing that bikes sell for money, also makes a bike out of his own materials, and sells it cheaper than the first guy. The first guy now has a lost sale. This is considered perfectly fine.

The second guy makes another bike to sell. A third guy makes a bike out of his own materials and sells it cheaper than the second. Instead of rolling over and taking it like the first guy, the second complains to people in power that the third guy is in fact a thief, because he "stole" the concept of what a bike is to create his own. Suddenly, no one can agree on who is correct.

A fourth guy sitting in China mass produces bikes for far less than the previous three can make theirs for. Bikes are now seen as infeasible to make for profit for the first three guys, and thus no one makes bikes. Everyone now has a bike, but this is a problem because now no one can be a bike maker because the system doesn't allow them to support themselves from creating bikes. Again, no one can agree if this is ok or not, because on one hand everyone has bikes, on the other, no one can make a living creating bikes.

>>386076034
People are selfish yeah, they won't pay for goods that can be easily obtained and are in infinite stock. This applies to everything. It's the job of the companies to appeal to these consumers instead of whining about it like a bunch of commies

>>386076284
Just booted it up and connected it to the pc. Are you trying to play straight from steam? Did you pair eveything properly? What kind of gpu do you have?

>>386076539
I mean your not wrong
But i pirate because I can and it's a better service than the legal equivalent. As you said, goodwill of humans doesn't exist.

>>386076403
It doesn't matter which type of theft you want to call it. It's still theft and you are stealing from the seller and therfore the original creator.
>>386075924
If you support emulation you don't support the industry.

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It beats paying ludicrous amounts of money on something like this that only has 20 games.

>>386076452
I didn't say anything about making copies of the game.

>>386076285
>Trying to make moral logic out of the copyright monpoly
It's exclusively a law for business, morals have nothing to do with it.

To cite an example, a ton of people think book/video drm, which doesn't work at all, is "failing". When actually:
>The purpose of DRM is not to prevent copyright violations. The purpose of DRM is to give content providers leverage against creators of playback devices. Content providers have leverage against content distributors, because distributors can't legally distribute copyrighted content without the permission of the content's creators. But if that was the only leverage content producers had, what would happen is that users would obtain their content from those content distributors, and then use third-party content playback systems to read it, letting them do so in whatever manner they wanted. ... Arguing that DRM doesn't work is, it turns out, missing the point. DRM is working really well in the video and book space. Sure, the DRM systems have all been broken, but that doesn't matter to the DRM proponents. Licensed DVD players still enforce the restrictions. Mass market providers can't create unlicensed DVD players, so they remain a black or gray market curiosity.

I can't stand the pcsx2 developers. They're pretentious idiots. I've seen them on numerous times casually request that people overclock their cpus, people without enough knowledge to realize that their cpu's clock speed wasn't strong enough for the emulator's software mode. They do this without knowing the persons cooler or case or psu. They are likely causing people's systems to break from overheating without a second thought.

They also have some hardon for OpenGL and Linux, so all of their progress the past year has been in the OpenGL backend, a system quickly being replaced by Vulkan and no longer actively supported by Niv or AMD.

>>386076539
Devs aren't going to see a cent from me buying a used copy, so why should I have to give resellers who overprice their junk a single dime?

>>386076172
It is now. It took a long time to get there but it can emulate psp and under. As well as anything you can emulate on your pc. Its a cool piece of hardware. I am glad i held on to two of them.