Hollow Knight

Possibly the best game released in the last 2 years. Cheap as fuck as well.

>>386057992
it's boring and meme-tier
only shills say it's good.

don't believe ((((them)))) v

>>386057992
Game of the year. Buy it for me, I didn't pay but they deserve it.

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>>386058082
>>386058096

>>386057992
Pirate it.
If you like, buy.
If not, unistall.

>>386058096
>I never played the game so I'm gonna shit on it

Overrated garbage.

>>386057992
GOTY, one of the best indie games ever, and one of the best Metroidvanias ever. you can't go wrong

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Isma's silhouette is very lovely

She looks like she is a pretty bug very good for lewd

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>>386057992
It's derivate as fuck and has the most stale and safe gameplay of all time and it's open world but and got nice art and it has no substance and I'm literally describing an AAA game except it's indie.

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Admittedly it's a game you'll either like or hate. It's really boring to me but apparently a lot of people love it so idk. I've seen a lot of people hate it too. I don't like it much, I thought the gameplay was really boring, the art wasn't impressive for some reason despite being good, the music was bland, I couldn't even bother getting past the city of tears area.

I think >>386058350 has it the most right. If you like it, buy it, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Anyone know if the new update is actually any good?

Reading the patch notes it feels really light

I see the opinions are very divided, what specifically did you like or dislike in the game? What are it's strengths and weaknesses?

My GOTY and I've got impecuple taste

>>386059574
It's pretty small. There are 2 new dream bosses Zote and Dung Defender, a new ability recall spell, gained after 2400 essence, new stag station in Ancient Basin, and some other stuff apparently Nosk was revamped and is harder now

I personally love the game.
It's probably the most fun I've had with videogames this year.
Metroid/Castlevania games are my jam, so it works out real well for me.

>Simple and responsive combat
>Great soundtrack
>Pleasing color palette and AESTHETICS
>LORE
>Some fights actually take skill and planning
>Charms give you a variety of play styles
>Classic metroidvania elements

8.5/10 game

>>386059898
Pros: The game has a large open world, enemies are all telegraphed, the art design is phenominal, the boss fights can be very fun, it's way more fun if you haven't played many games like it. Has a nice story, too. The combat can be fun, and your health bar is like a "heart" system from zelda.

Cons: It's pretty derivative, plays very similar to a lot of other games, it's really slow-paced initially and the movement is very static as it's not inertia-based. This also makes it feel very similar to other games. The game doesn't have that much variety and every area feels samey, and the sense of progression is really meh.

It's pretty split down the middle if you'll like it or not.

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It's fucking dog shit.
Buy it if you like trash like undertale, sounds like it would be right up your alley if that's the case.

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>>386060594

>>386059898
Strengths:
>lots of powerups and choices/combos
>really well drawn/colored scenery and characters
>nice designs to everything
>pretty alright story, especially with 3 endings
>lots of shit to explore
>lots of different enemies
>nice music
>multiple reasons to play the game more than once
>good reasons to play the game to 100%

weaknesses:
>way too easy on shit that should be hard
>only made slightly difficult when an immense health bar is added (dream bosses, radiance)
>these can still be handled fullforce-fuckyou by using tanking charms
>backtracking is expected for this kind of game but actually sort of annoying in this one
>some areas that actually pose a challenge can be babby-moded with secret wimp doors

I can't really think of much else, but the game is like an 8/10 for me especially for the price and stuff they're still releasing (for free)

>>386060643
WELL AND TRULY POTTERY

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>>386057992
Pretty good. Not as good as Symphony of the Night or Aria of Sorrow, but what is? It's worth your money.

>>386060643
He's a retard but atleast he's right in that La-mulana is better

It's fairly decent, but any positive talk about it considered shilling.

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>>386057992
It has a simple but effective combat system, pretty art design and a lovely world to explore. Its not exceedingly difficult if you are decent at action platformers but some bosses require a couple of tries.
Most fun I had was exploring the world, whenever I was trying to map some faraway corner I ended up finding a whole new area instead, its not very linear after you acquire a couple of movement upgrades. The ingame map system is pretty good too, I never had to look up a guide until I started going for 100% completion
Worst part for me was backtracking all the way around the world after completing most of the main storyline since the fast travel options are pretty limited. I just wish there was a spell that takes you back to the hub. I dunno if the patch added just that
Bought it from summer sale and 100%'d, would recommend if you like metroidvanias or pretty platformers

>>386060502
>the art design is phenominal

I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. The art design of Ori is phenominal, every screen is unique and the game is beautiful and awe inspiring

Hollow Knight is black + 1 color. It's depressing to play and isn't fun to look at or to navigate or to be in. It's a huge issue with the game, really the second largest issue..The art direction is terrible. Not to mention, enemies stolen from binding of isaac, directly, within the first hour. Really?..

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>>386058860
>tfw you use the dream nail on him multiple times during that fight

Is the DLC out yet?

>>386060905
>>386060643
>>386060594
La-mulana and Hollow Knight are completely different games, stop comparing the two.

The only valid thing that makes La-mulana "better" than Hollow Knight instead of simply "different" (because both games are god-tier) is that La-mulana is a more unique game.

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>>386060918
This, the art is a joke. The enemy and NPC designs are laughably simple and look fucking pathetic.

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>>386060918
You are wrong and also a big silly idiot.

>>386061093
is left supposed to look good?

I-is this dude actually the barneyfag of hollow knight or something?

Axiom Verge is the better indie Metroidvania, mostly because it basically is Metroid with a coat of HR Giger paint.

>>386057992
It's good, a solid 8.5

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>>386061231
Compared to the right it looks phenomenal.

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>>386061259
No, he's actually a Rabi-ribi fan who's trying to demonize both hollow knight posters for responding to him and La-mulana posters for being associated with him. He hates both games for being non-weeb and also considered as good as Super Metroid/Symphony of the Night.

>>386061086
Don't try to reason with autism, anon. This dude shits up literally every thread that gets posted about this game.

>>386057992
/v/ hyped the shit out of it for me (which generally ruins games when I have any sort of expectation for them) and I still thought it was great.

Very non linear, a lot of sequence breaking, and the ability to make custom loadouts using items you find a long the way that augment your regular abilities. That said, I'm also a huge faggot who finds the artstyle very cute and I'm not sure how much of my opinion of the game was influenced by the npc design/general artstyle. If you're already a fan of Metroidvanias, I'd definitely give it a chance. At worst, I think you'll find at least one solid playthrough of it.

>>386060858
The patch did add something like that. When you Awaken the dream nail and you can get to White Castle, you also gain the ability to set a recall point that you can teleport to at any point for the cost of 1 essence

>>386060594
>call it dogshit
>pic puts it in good tier

>>386059212
City of Tears seems to be the breaking point, you're not the first one to drop around that

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>Non existent difficulty
>Piss poor OST composed by some literal who that clearly can't make good sounding audio for shit.
>Flash based artstyle akin to binding of isaac (large outlines, 0 detail, 0 shading, just simplistic looking shit that your average deviant art novice could shit out)
>Comic relief enemies and bosses that cater towards the braindead Undertale crowd, rather than being intimidating
>Shit rewards for exploring
Woah...I got shit fillter-tier crest I'll never ever use....simply epic...
>Juvenile lore made so that retards can develop their own head canon because the devs have so little faith they can make some actual worthwhile lore
>No optional hard as fuck area at the end of the game so that elite players like myself can actually extract some fun out of this dull mess of a game
Not everybody likes playing baby mode easy shit.

Where did it all go so wrong, lads?

>>386061613
Really? Cause that's the point where the game really clicked for me and I started enjoying it more, since it really opens up a lot when you get there.

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>babby's first encounter with LMautist

literally cute infants

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>>386061618
>>386061093
Okay, "La-mulanafag," if you're truly a La-mulana fan, post proof you donated to the sequel's kickstarter!

>>386061618
When you started posting.

>>386061618
comparing any metroidvania to la-mulana is hardly fair.
compare hollow knight to some of the other metroidvanias though and it's not that bad

>>386061774
>>386061779
>>386061807

How the fuck do you kids get baited so easily?

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>54 posts
>27 ids

is it one of those popular rogue like games or something like that? or it has massive replay value? cause people seem to play more than their korean mmo's

>>386059212
But city of tears is exactly where it gets fun, you now have your dash and mantis claws so you can properly platform.
Along with this come bosses that are aimed at the fact that you have those abilities. Also the music is far from bland.

>>386061942
It's a metroidvania, not a roguelike.

>>386060918
>The art design of Ori is phenominal
That is a meaningless statement as one art style being phenomenal does not discredit others.
>black+1 color
Besides being untrue, simple art styles does not equate being bad.
>>386061093
posts like this just emphasize how much subjectivity goes into these. The one on the left stands out as much as, if not less than the the one on the right if you do not already have a bias towards the one on a left. Long haired woman with monster body? Dark Souls rip off

>>386061998
what makes it so replayable?

>>386062070
It's not replayable, it's a metroidvania, it's just a long game.

>>386061618
>raptor
>suit of armor
Are you trying to argue that both sides are composed of faggots arguing about the same shit taste?

>>386057992
Metroidvania-esque with shit-tier artstyle. Buy it at a deep discount, because it's not worth it's regular asking price.

>>386057992
Yes. It's on sale right now as well.
Decently lengthy for money, especially when the price is reduced to what it is now (20-40 hours if you don't guide and try to 100% I suppose) with more free DLC on the way. Modestly challenging and generally capable of keeping me engaged throughout, though actual challenge is relegated to a few isolated instances and you can cheese most of those instances due to various factors. It's a fairly open metroidvania where you gradually get movement related powers and your moveset starts to fill out a bit but it can drag its feet a bit at the start and combat doesn't deviate too far from what you have at the start so whether it might still appeal to someone who doesn't completely like it at the start is a bit of a tricky question. Artstyle is fairly simplistic but it fits pretty well. Music is also nice.
Biggest complaint is that it still runs like hot ass with semi-frequent frame drops and my machine isn't even that horrible.
Most of the /v/ related issues are falseflagging and blatant lies.

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>>386061774
I didn't back shit. I'd never pay for anything to get kickstarted.
The devs are lucky I don't pirate the fuck out of La-Mulana 2 for them taking so fucking long.
I still might actually, after all, I did pirate La-Mulana first anyway.

>>386061807
It sucks vs anything. I've got more people added to my steam thanking me for introducing them to Marrow than people who like trash like Hollow Knight.
Get some taste you brainless cunts.

>>386062008
La-Mulana was out long before Dark Souls you worthless millennial.

>>386062131
Left = Intimidating and unique well designed aesthetically perfect boss.
Right = Pathetic looking undertale ripoff for children/manchildren with a juvenile mindset.

>>386062070
Not him, but as far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there are achievements that come in twin sets and you can't do both in one save file.

There are also steel soul modes where if you die once you lose the entire game and have to start over.

There are also speedrun achievements for starting a new game and getting through the game in a certain amount of time.

Plus there's about 30-50 hours of content in the main game itself on a first save file anyway.

>>386062070
Metroidvanias tend to be replayable to speedrunners but people tend to put a lot of hours into 100%ing metroidvanias because they're long.

>>386061994
Yeah but I don't like the dash mechanic. Its existence made me understand why I don't like the game: The control scheme is really, really, really stale. There's no inertia or weight to anything, you can't jump out of your dash or cancel things. It's just not fun.

>>386061618
>so that elite players like myself
lmao dude calm down it's just video games

>>386062258
>Left = Intimidating and unique well designed aesthetically perfect boss.
>Right = Pathetic looking undertale ripoff for children/manchildren with a juvenile mindset.
is that your impression of someone that fits into the category of
>both sides are composed of faggots arguing about the same shit taste?

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>>386057992
>Considering buying it
>Looked at reviews
>Positive
>General discussion is also positive
>Let me make a final choice by asking /v/
>If I should buy a fucking $11 game that's already positively received

You're either a poorfag or some fucking looking for (you)s. Either way you don't deserve to play this game so just fuck off.

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these threads always turn into flame-spouting, shill-accusing piles of dreck but I just come here for the bug porn

>>386062280
>Yeah but I don't like the dash mechanic
Did you grab the dash master charm?
If not I suggest you get it (it's easy to find and get) and then give the game a final try, if you still don't like it then it's just not for you I guess.

>>386062462
well then somebody better fucking get started

>>386062280
>you can't jump out of your dash or cancel things
but you can jump out of your dash, cancel jump, and cancel super dash

>>386062258
La-mulana's remake, the game that you're praising, came out in 2012. Dark Souls came out in 2011. If you were praising the original, which came out in 2005, I'd understand, but you aren't, because the original is an incredibly unpolished and unfun game.

>>386062462
not enough bretta

>>386062562
Are those fucking trinkets or something because I literally could not do that with the base controls. It's really shitty that the game doesn't start out fun and becomes more fun instead of being unfun then becoming fun.

>>386062460
>how dare you ask for opinions before possibly throwing money out of window
>you don't deserve it now that you've asked
holy shit, kill yourself

>>386062695
Not that anon, but when I saw his response I fucking knew he'd get a reply like this.

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The original had Nuwa in it too you underage cunt.

>>386062786
I think his point is that OP already has all the opinions he needs, I mean, a child can figure that much out.

>>386062786
>Coming to /v/ looking for advice relating to a purchase

OP was a faggot from the getgo

>>386062562
cancel super dash comes with the item, jump is based on how long you hold down the button and you can jump out of dash as long as you haven't already used your jump or if you have double jump

maybe you're remembering the game wrong. I had fun the whole way through but I knew how the platforming mechanics worked so it might be different for someone who didn't know what they were doing while they played it.

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>>386062909
Whoops, meant for >>386062595

>>386058860
Anyone else wonder where the brown shit comes from? I dln't thonk bugs leave brown shit like that. Are there giant mammals, lizards?

>>386063027
Maybe they belong to that big worm thing in Kingdom's Edge.

>>386060594
I bought Salt and Sanctuary because of your shitposting and found it fun, I probably wouldn't have found it otherwise.
Should I try Valdis Story out next?

>>386063027
He does live in the sewer, so maybe it's just built up over time from the city above.

Hoping one of the next two free DLCs goes into the Wyrm war

>>386059031
hopefully you get a ban for this pathetic attempt at shit posting

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*sigh* bapenada

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>>386063994

>>386063994
>you will never cuck Cornifer

>>386063994
>He'll be sleeping for some time I imagine, so even with him home, I'm still lost his company.
What did she mean by this?

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>>386063994
I tfw noticing she's in a tanktop
Holy fuck I must know what those pits taste like.

>>386064464
pls imgur full

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BRAVA

>>386065147
I started calling the two in the entrance from kings station to ancient basin drake and josh because of that

>>386064763
I think it's uncropped: https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/383524672/#383561962

>>386063273
Yes, Valdis is pretty good even if the game's story is shit and some of the characters are autistic OCs.

>>386060594
>Apotheon
>Treasure Adventure Game
>UnEpic
>mediocre

I've seen some niggas who were wrong, but you top them all.

Where exactly is the new Stag station?

What are Dream Gates and where can I find them?

>>386066542
dream gates are just a powerup, you have to have the awakened dream nail and possibly mor essence than that, try charging your dream nail like you're gonna hit it but hold down. if it works, it's charge and up to teleport back to it.

new stag station is to the right of the palace grounds in ancient basin, breakable wall.

>>386066542
Check your inventory.

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>>386060594
>blindly reposting a chart you disagree with instead of rearranging it to fit your taste

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>>386061994
I thought the music was forgettable. Nothing I'd put on outside the game.

>>386057992
>stuttering
>doesn't recognise my xbox controller
fuck this game, i'm getting a refund

Kind of boring. Gameplay and combat not deep enough. Story is kind of meh. Music not particularly great. Artwork is okay.

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>>386068008
>mfw no stuttering and it completely recognises my Xbox One controller

>>386057992
I got very tired of it quickly. It's not particularly challenging at all. The upgrade system almost sent a Thousand-Year-Door tingle of fun down my spine but then I realized it was quite shallow because the combat was quite shallow as well.

The music is something a first year composition student could have thrown together.

The actual "feel" of swinging your sword and jumping around is serviceable but pretty much every 2D game has to get that right to work anyway.

>>386064110
Cornifer's a total bro tho, why the fuck would you cuck him?

>>386061093
right was piss easy casuals cant into risk reward gameplay. Never use the soul power to heal always use it to fire the damage attack.

beat him first try with like 3 hits left but beat him blind run

>>386068696
Penis does what penis wants

Hollow Knight attracted the weirdest anti-fanbase.

>>386068689
This.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a good discussion of a video game on /v/. It's a shame because I'd like to hear some actual criticisms for Hollow Knight, a game I enjoyed a lot.

One thing that bothered me was the map system, though. I don't like how it doesn't give the layout of rooms on the map, I don't like how it has to be updated by going to a bench due to the fact that you might reach a room you can't get through yet, such as a dark area before you've gotten the item that provides light, and then immediately back out. Instead of only highlighting the entry when you go to update your map it'll just highlight the entire room, though. The map system really resulted in more backtracking than was necessary, something that's already somewhat of an issue with the game.

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>>386071683
Lack of weapon power ups was something that peeved me a bit. It's not on the level of Ori where combat power ups are "literally why"-level due to escape and movement abilities being so much better in every situation, and you do get plenty of movement options and a handful of spells in Hollow Knight that obviously have use in combat as well, but I would've liked for there to be altogether new secret weapons to unlock. The charge power up attacks are kind of limited in use and it's so much easier to just use the basic slash on everything, especially since you can use it to jump off enemies and keep dodging as well.

Game content wise it was altogether great, but the Dreamers not being actual boss fights was a big fucking killjoy. While there were several challenging parts the game in general could have been a bit more difficult, I died a handful of times but never lost my Geo. Geo itself pretty much entirely loses its purpose in mid-late game when you're drowning in it.

Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the game.

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Comedy gold. Hollow cucks can barely even keep a thread off of page 10 even when their shitty dlc comes out.

>>386071683
>I'd like to hear some actual criticisms for Hollow Knight
But you've had actual criticism sweetie, in reality you don't want to hear criticism because it triggers you and you try to evade it.
Come take a shot at this >>386061618 I'm even helping give you a reason to keep yet another hollow cuck thread from 404'ing early on.

>>386073212
Your only arguments ever boil down to "it's bad because I don't like it" pastas, but thanks for the bump I guess.

>>386060594
>terraria in metroidvania list
>rabi-ribi in mediocre tier
>no shadow complex at all

Sick and tired to see this pic around in these threads, please commit delete.

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>>386073212
>GX fan

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>>386073952
GX is quite literally the best in the series.
GX > 5Ds > DM > Zexal II > Arc V > Zexal I > Vrains (For now anyway)

>>386070210
People can sense that a new game has surpassed their sacred cows like La-Mulana and Super Metroid, and it makes them mad.

>>386057992
If you like exploring or mysterious unexplaned lore like the souls series then it's fun, but as far as action platformers go it isn't particularly demanding.

Expect an interesting landscape and locations to explore without a high degree of challenge.

My favourite location was endgame and unrequired because it was suddenly really demanding platforming if that says anything about how much I liked the combat. Customization and equips make play more fun.

100%'d my first playthrough in about 25 hours.

>>386074295
Talking to their own monster cards during battle is where I gave up. DM and even 5Ds (as ridiculous as it was) deserve spots ahead of GX.

Also fuck Links for ruining ABC's before I could buy Gemknights/Infinities so far at least.

I want that Switch port on my desk by 9 am tomorrow, STAT!

I'm starting my first Steel Soul run now.
Any tips?

>>386068829
>taking damage at all
all he does is fire slow moving projectiles with shitty tracking. I like how you distance your self from brain dead retards by distinguishing your self as a regular retard.

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HOw the fuck do I beat these faggots?

>>386073212
>I'm so desperate for (yous) that I return hours later begging people to respond to my shitposting
Take your precious (you) and find something better to do with your time.

>>386077276
Quicknail them until they're dead.

>>386077276
I'll assume you're doing it without any upgrades. Bounce off their head until one rolls, jump to other side, repeat.

>>386077440
Can I actually avoid their shitty attack patterns? so far I tried everything and I cant get past killing 4 or 5

>>386077540
I upgraded my nail twice and I'm using quickslash and longnail plus steady body and that fast recovery charm

>>386058860
Do not lewd on Ogrim's waifu, faggot

>>386060961
What does he think?

>>386077560
If you are really having a tough time you can just walljump all the way to the upper corners of the room and wait them out until you have an opening.
If you are semiskilled I recommend just dashing through them or over them when you have an opening.

>>386077667
I guess you should just kill your self. Everything from the post you replied to still applies it's just more pathetic with every upgrade you have beyond the vanilla equipment.

They don't swing up so just bounce off them until they start their roll animation and switch to the other side

>>386077898
>>386077972
Well then I guess I just suck and I should kill myself.
Brb going to try again.

>>386062280
>Can dash again after hitting an enemy in the air
>Can cancel ground dashes with a jump
>Charm that lets you dash with almost no cooldown
>Can cancel air dashes once you get double jump
>Tons of mobility with pogo swings off enemies and objects
There's plenty of movement options and freedom in HK. It's relatively simple but does what it needs to effectively.

>>386078162
You can permanently reduce the number of knights by 1 if you find the breakable right outside the arena

>have 7 masks
>have channeled nail
>have great slash
>can't beat the soul warrior that guards shade soul

I suck at every boss in this game jesus christ, I even managed to die to gorb (only once though).

At least there is a bench right next to soul sanctum and they weren't dickish with the shade location.

>>386078413
I did already and I died again.

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>die to the EZ boss at the end of the trial of fools because the bullshit long walljump-only section with no healing has got me bootyblasted
I CAN'T TAKE DOING IT ALL AGAIN PLEASE GOD

>>386078692
Keep trying. You'll get it eventually. Had the same problem with Lost Kin. Especially since I fought right after Broken Vessel.

Why can't any of these metroidvania inspired games get the combat right? I've played HK for 2-3 hours and while the exploration is good the combat is boring as all fuck, restarted Castlevania PoR on a whim the other day and it gave you more options and was more fun to play within the first 15 minutes. Ori had the exact same problem.

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This is the most cringe worthy shit I've ever seen. If anybody has ever needed evidence that the Hollow shite fanbase are a bunch of casual shitters, then they need to look no further than this thread.
>Waaah I can't beat this piss easy boss that competent people easily killed on their very first try, help me /v/ I'm so garbage at games, I should just go back to league of legends

Do everybody a favor and stop playing video games all together you waste of air.

>>386057992
From what little I've played I couldn't stop comparing it to Super Metroid and concluding that it was inferior in almost every way. But that was kind of a snap judgement and maybe a bit unfair.
It's just that comparatively your moveset feels quite limited and takes ages to expand even a little, at least that's how it felt at the start. There was almost nothing of value to find either. I can't say how it stacks up to the average Metroidvania in these regards though.

>>386078948
I dont know who those are but thanks anon , will do

>>386078814
>Just realized if I want to 100% Steel Soul I have to do that shit
Fucking fucking shit fuck god damn.
That's going to be the end of me.

>>386079052
> getting so assblasted because of a video game

Just because other people have different skill levels doesn't mean they shouldn't have fun.

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>>386079319
If your idea of fun is struggling with piss easy games, then you shouldn't be playing them period, you pathetic cunt.
Apply yourself and get good.

>>386079153
I've heard you can quit out to the menu and reload to be back at a bench and the arena is the only part of the game I'd even potentially consider doing that when I play Steel Soul. At least for me some of the shit in it is just fucking nightmarish.
>here bro, here's two enemies with ranged attacks that have nearly no tell and come out with random timing
>oh by the way they'll teleport away 75% of the time you try to slash them
I know I know 'git gud' but fuck do the trials make me assmad if I put more than 4-5 attempts in during a play session.

>>386079516
Why?

>>386079516
Why not? And why should my idea of fun bother you? I didnt ask for anyone to change the game or play it for me , all I did is ask for some tips, so take your elitist ass and go play you """"hardcore"""" games

>>386057992
It's fucking fantastic; don't listen to zero attention span subhumans.

>if you can't beat X then you should literally kay why ess xD
oh good the dark souls fanbase is here

>>386079516
I agree, too much of the modern market appeals to these incompetent dregs which has lead to the furthering decline in quality games face. The reason everything is piss easy these days is because these chucklefucks are having difficulty with the most basic of mechanics and concepts.

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>>386079692
>>386079729
>Why
Because your kind are a blight on the gaming industry who are single handedly holding it back.

>all I did is ask for some tips
On a pathetically easy boss. Just dodge its easily announced attacks and then slash it. Woah, incredible...so fucking difficult..."help /v/ I'm shit"...

>so take your elitist ass and go play you """"hardcore"""" games
I've already beat them, like a true master of this craft should. Now I'm waiting for more and while I wait I'm berating you shitters for being fucking awful.
If that triggers you then you can fuck right off to a hugbox like reddit, princess.

>>386057992
The biggest criticism here is too many people post about it. Apparently some autists hate people talking about a game too much and that has become the most common complaint.

>people are going to keep falling for this guy
>someone literally posted an image showing he's just a shitposter
I can't stop them from replying but I can call them retarded for falling for it

Hollow Knight isnt updating... am I doing something wrong?

>>386080203
I think the gaming industry has bigger problems than a few guys asking for tips on a (personal opinion) well made indie game.
And if you see gaming as a true craft then I feel sorry for you, but if that makes you happy , who am I to judge.

Also:
>anime face
>blaming reddit imediately

Signs of a shiposter I wonder who triggered who.

>>386080468
That happens with all good games. This board literally cannot fucking shut up about Dark Souls whether they like it or hate it. Fuck I'm talking about it right now in something completely unrelated.

>>386080483
Is the OP a namefag? I have names turned off.

>>386057992
alright, but would be vastly improved by a mini map so you didn't have to just constantly pause the game to check the map at every fork in the road

>>386080785
Nah, the shitposter
See >>386060643 for guidance, he just used a cropped version of one of his usual images, too

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>>386080547
Wrong, they're precisely the people who are causing it to be shit.
The market is over saturated with piss easy drivel with no substance to cater to these brain dead morons.
We would be getting actual high quality games that challenge people to get good and don't hold peoples hands in more substantial numbers were it not for these scum.

>>386077276
Break the chandelier in a hidden area before the boss fight up above

>>386081502
Whatever you say man, anyway it was fun, I'm off to bed, have fun shitposting.

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Doma doma haha!

>>386073654
argument points to opinions on content in the game.
>nope not a valid criticism since my opinion is different
why not go to a neogaf thread to circle jerk?

It's not a bad game but there's nothing crazy special about it. It's just a metroidvania game and it's not even a high tier metroidvania game.

>>386073212
ok nigger I will.
>>386061618
>Nonexistent difficulty
You're a 2hu score chaser, so your idea of "difficulty" is "if I don't have to beat my head against a poorly-designed mess for twelve hours it's bad". Opinion discarded.
>piss poor OST
Compared to what, the game I had to mute after ten minutes because the themes for the first two areas loop after about six seconds?
>flash based artstyle
Not a criticism, there is detail in the backgrounds and the simple artstyle allows them to actually animate the damn game instead of relying on the paper-doll animatronic shit that LM has to settle for.
>comic relief enemies
The first character you meet in LM is a stereotypical pervy old man, and bosses aren't "intimidating" in either game.
>shit rewards for exploring
Wow, things that actually change the gameplay instead of "key that passes a single obstacle" #4427
>juvenile lore
Yet you're implying it's somehow more obtuse than LM because you call it "headcanon" instead of admitting that it's just as obviously spelled out
>no optional hard as fuck area
Colosseum of Fools + more coming in the updates assumedly. See point 1 if you disagree

>>386081932
AAAAAAAAAAAA HUNDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>386081932
EEDAAAAALA
best bug

>>386077560
you can instakill one of them forever by walljumping up above their room and cutting down the chandelier

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Literally impossible.

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>>386082550
>ok nigger I will.
Wonderful.
>You're a 2hu score chaser, so your idea of "difficulty" is "if I don't have to beat my head against a poorly-designed mess for twelve hours it's bad".
Already off to a bad start, I don't give a shit about scoring, in fact, the reason I got that Touhou WR is because scorefags in IRC were getting triggered because I was saying scoring is autistic as fuck and not even that hard.
The mod took offense to this and gave me an ultimatum to get a WR in under a month if it's so easy and if I didn't he'd ban me.
So I got the WR just to kill some time.
He banned me anyway :^)
>Compared to what, the game I had to mute after ten minutes because the themes for the first two areas loop after about six seconds?
And what game are you referring to? If it's Marrow then that first track has far more quality than anything in HK.
Sounds to me like your taste in music is just as bad as your taste in horrendously bad games. I bet you don't even have a good audio setup either.
>Not a criticism
It is a criticism though lmao. Since when is a dog shit art style not a criticism?
>there is detail in the backgrounds
Not much.
>the simple artstyle allows them to actually animate the damn game
Sacrificing quality art for something as irrelevant as some animations is not in any way a comparable trade off, and it shows.
>The first character you meet in LM is a stereotypical pervy old man
Something that is referenced once, that's not his personality at all.
>and bosses aren't "intimidating" in either game.
Bosses aren't intimidating in Hollow Knight. They are in La-Mulana. None of them are comic relief, they're all designed to look imposing, and that is pulled off perfectly.

>>386057992
Game is good but has some issues. Mapping is done retardedly where you have to find the section of the map first, then the map isnt updated til you find a save spot. Fast travel is a nightmare. There's more backtracking here than in Axiom Verge. Most of your playtime will be spent walking. If you could fast travel from benches the game would be nearly perfect.
Aside from those bad game design decisions, the game plays really well, the music and tone are all great, controls are responsive and bosses are a lot of fun. I'd get it.

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>>386084180
>Wow, things that actually change the gameplay instead of "key that passes a single obstacle" #4427
La-Mulana rewards are far more useful though, they are required to proceed.
>Yet you're implying it's somehow more obtuse than LM because you call it "headcanon" instead of admitting that it's just as obviously spelled out
Wrong, it is purposefully vague so that 'everybody' can fill in the blanks and nobody can be wrong. Wouldn't want to hurt anybodies fee fees or have to create some solid lore, after all.
>Colosseum of Fools
What about it? It's incredibly easy.
>more coming in the updates assumedly
>assumedly
More easy shit, no doubt. I've not bothered to load the game up yet, but I'd be willing to bet the two new bosses added are going to be laughably easy as well.
>See point 1 if you disagree
Already pointed out the error of your ways on that point.

>>386083982
its not too bad, try and plan a route out beforehand and run it a couple times. that said, i did die right at the end on the thorns though once, which was fun

>>386083982
Just clear your route beforehand. Most enemies won't respawn until you use a bench

>>386084180
>And what game are you referring to?
LM. I'm surprised the two bars that comprise its entire OST are so unmemorable to you. Of course it's not Marrow, what are the odds I'd be one of the thirty people who've played that?
>animations
>irrelevant
sasuga touhoufag
>feels legitimate fear towards ugly sprites on a screen
no comment
>La-Mulana rewards are far more useful though, they are required to proceed.
That doesn't make them good, retard, they're still arbitrary keys.

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>Post once against me
>Get BTFO
>Don't even take another shot.
What a disappointment.

>>386086496
>>386086505
oh god

I think whenever I see autistic hatred of a game on /v/, that's my clearest cue that it's worth a buy.

Good thing I already bought it though, it seems like a fun and immersive game so far.

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>>386086496
>LM. I'm surprised the two bars that comprise its entire OST are so unmemorable to you.
It's not. La-Mulana never came to mind simply because you described it so laughably wrong that I figured it couldn't possibly have been that.
Which La-Mulana track is on a 6 second loop? Mr. Explorer? Fearless challenger? They're the two earliest tracks and they're each about 2 minutes long, just like every other track in the game. The majority of which are extremely well put together and highly memorable.
HK tracks in comparison are bland, they fail at aiding the atmosphere and they fail at being memorable. I can't even recall a single track off the top of my head.
>sasuga touhoufag
Animations are not and never will be worth sacrificing art style for.
>no comment
Looks like you took that route for the majority of what I said. How does it feel to be this bad at debates? This coincides with how bad you are at video games too tbqhwy.
>That doesn't make them good, retard, they're still arbitrary keys.
Umm, no sweetie, they're not. La-Mulana upgrades are constantly giving you meaningful improvements.
Hollow knight 'upgrades' are worthless in comparison.
I never once used anything other than the compass + nail reach upgrades. Everything else is hot garbage.

Now how about you refute these points here as well as the plethora of other ones you conveniently missed out on, hmm?

>>386086505
Sorry, friend, I'm playing overwatch with some mates and can only shitpost between rounds
>inb4 overwatch sucks
Don't worry, I know

>>386068696
If Cornifer was a real bro he wouldn't sit behind the dark gate in fucking fog canyon for the whole game

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>>386088324
>Guy defending hollow knight is playing overwatch
I couldn't make this up even if I tried.

>>386088954
>career shitposter doesn't know what having friends is like
really awakens my philosophers

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>>386089524
I hate to burst your bubble but I do have many friends. We just don't play garbage games with each other.

>>386061618
>Where did it all go so wrong, lads?

When your mother didn't shake you to death as a baby.

>>386084180
>they're all designed to look imposing
>Raptor in armor

Imposing if you're a fucking four year old.

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>>386091790
More like
>Giant egyption frill necked lizard guardian that chases after you, increasing in speed while I high tempo track plays in the background
That is imposing, you don't seem to know what the word means my retarded friend.

>>386058406
The game plays itself since it has absolutely no challenge. Which is a shame since the combat is alright.

>>386060594
la-mulana is clunky and most of the areas are too short. It does not belong that high

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>>386092403
>imposing
if you're a normie casual faggot that thinks anything about the game is difficult maybe

>hollow knight can't even be discussed without marrowfag and people baiting marrowfag, even months later

My advice is to solicit opinions outside of /v/ on this one OP. Things are just too far gone on this game here.

>>386057992
If you like game with backtracking you'll like it
the gameplay mechanics are more of a megaman than metroid

>>386092520
>plays itself since it has absolutely no challenge
please record and post yourself beating both the Trial of Fools and The Radiance with no charms, base HP and a base level nail. Oh also do it without getting hit, should be easy for an elite god and champion of gaming such as yourself, right? I need some source material to help learn how to make games literally play themselves

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>>386092727
What a shame, I was even kind enough to give you time to google the definition of imposing and you still fucked up by not having a clue what the word means.

>>386093108
Why don't I play it one handed and blindfolded while I'm at it? If you have to gimp yourself incredibly hard for something to be challenging, it isn't challenging.

>>386093316
>why play on hard mode when you can play on easy mode?

>>386093597
>why construct thoughtful arguments when you can shitpost?

>>386093108
>>386093597
what sort of autistic reasoning is this crap?
how stupid does somebody have to be to think this sounds like a good reasonable argument?

>this jrpg is easy
>"n-no, you wouldn't say that if you unequiped all of your characters gear and didn't level up at all"
????

think about the things you're saying before you post them.

>>386093290
If you can genuinely find anything within a video game (just some pixels on a screen) imposing I suggest you get yourself commited

>>386093867
>tools exist which would allow you to increase challenge of something you claim is easy
>claim that being told to use these tools is somehow not a valid argument
???

>>386057992
Is gaem

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>>386093905
Of course I do.
The fact that you're trying to imply that things cannot be imposing in video games is pure comedy kino and shows that you legitimately have autism.

>>386094045
self proclaimed challenges have absolutely nothing to do with a game being difficult. you can make any game hard if you play it blindfolded.
difficulty is decided by how hard a game is to complete regularly, and that's all.
if it's a game with multiple difficulties then you can use the hardest mode as the reference.

All this bullshit shitposting.
God damn.
Go play your respective games, you jerks.

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>>386057992
/v/ will tell you it's overrated. Never go to /v/ on video game purchase decisions.
That being said, I enjoyed it. Nothing "wow so amazing" but the art was pretty good and the level design was nice.

>>386057992
It's pretty great, especially at it's price point. Beats the absolute shit out of pretty much every similarly styled game from the last 20 years.

>>386060594
>Derailed the thread again
Fuck off

>>386057992
It's a pretty good game. Enjoyed the music and the scenery.

>>386094493
I think the difference is that if you used the in game challenges the other anon proposed, the base gameplay wouldn't actually be much different, but still harder. Whereas if you were to blind yourself, you would then be changing how the game is played.

>>386092520
I dunno, difficulty is a purely subjective metric. There are probably people who have trouble playing pacman. I don't play any games of a similar genre to this (although I might now) and I find the harder parts (for me: dream bosses, last arena challenge and the true final boss) decently challenging.

>>386094142
yes

>>386060594
There is not a single Metroid or Castlevania on this list

>>386060594
>it's fucking dog shit
>Hollow Knight is under 'good tier'
I don't understand

So how about that update today? Finally there's a stag station close to the abyss.