Sony preventing third parties from launching games on Switch

Nintendo have more impact on Japanese market than Sony tho

>>386047559
source?

>>386048087
It's a falseflag thread, just ignore it.

This is what Nintenbros actually believe.

>>386047559
I applaud the conspiracy theory but I have to ask, why is it okay for Nintendo to pay off developers like Capcom to exclude games off of PlayStation or Xbox?

You can't cry Sony while applauding Nintendo for the same thing.

Based sony. Behead the nintendo jew.

>>386049213
They didn't pay them off, they just said no more games, In Sony's case, they have to bribe and threaten.

>>386047559
Hey nice fanfic OP. Did you know Nintendo did this exact same thing in the 90s?
http://nerdtrek.com/nintendos-restrictive-licensing-history/
>Nintendo was well-known in the videogame industry during the NES era for their restrictive licensing agreements. Third-party developers were obligated to set limits on the number of titles they produced per year (typically five) to avoid flooding the market with similar games, as well as agreeing that their games would be available exclusively on Nintendo systems for a certain period of time (typically two years). Restrictions of this kind allowed Nintendo to maintain a degree of control over both the number of games produced and the content of those games.

Ever wonder why Nintendo doesn't get 3rd party support anymore? Because they had to buy it back then.

>>386050915
The exclusivity is shit but title limits and quality are a must otherwise you have too many shit games. See the 2600 or Steam Greenlight

If sony paid capcom to release Monster hunter from nintendo's clutches then they are the saviors of vidya. Thank god for Sony.

>>386049213
>A contract for one series is the same thing as preventing support/funding to an entire dev team

PSPfags are still really cut up about this, huh.

>>386047559
Sony is not in a position to compete with Nintendo in Japan. They have Splatoon, Pokemon, MHXX, DQ, etc. The Switch being portable on top of having lovable IPs meant total irrelevancy for Sony in Japan, that's why they paid Capcom to release Monster Hunter World on every system but the Switch.

The Switch is Sony's downfall in Japan and they know it. Expect many other Japanese third parties to not develop for the Switch for no reason (even when the games aren't demanding like DBFZ). That's the only way Sony can survive, pay for games to not be developed for the console.

>>386054454
monster hunter world a game that been in the works way before people even knew about switch
i didnt think switchdrones were this stupid

>>386054663
Do sonybros genuinely think it takes three years to make a simple port?

>>386054454
>Expect many other Japanese third parties to not develop for the Switch for no reason

PS4/XB1/PC covers 95% of the market. why do devs need to devote their staffs for 5% audience

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Remind me of the most major fuckup Yamauchi made that permanently cost Nintendo regular 3rd party support from the N64 onward.

>>386048087
it's from op's ass

>>386054021
It's the other way around. Sony got contracts

>>386047559
I hope you're aware that you're only painting the Nintendo fanbase in a negative light with shit like this.

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>Nintendo console will be great and have 3rd party support
>And if it doesn't, it's because of 3rd party devs, not Nintendo's hardware
>And if it is, then it's also because Sony/MS pays the devs
>And if they don't. We didn't really want 3rd parties anyways

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Go back to your Switch fag

>>386055864
Forgot the last part.

>And if we didn't, it's okay, the next console will.

The cycle begins anew.

>>386047559
Nobody is stopping them but Nintendo.

Actually no, 3rd parties are both lazy as fuck and scared to compete

Basically, Sony doesn't compete with them
How many Sony 1st party games come out every year?
There's your answer, Nintendo actually makes stuff for their consoles, even if they are not mayor releases, 3rd parties have free reign in the other consoles, they barely even compete with each other, after all most AAA games releases a month or two from eahc other because by that time people are mostly done with them, and just repeat the cycle
Heck, just look at Capcom "SF2 HD didnt sell therefore no Mon Hun for you because it wouldn't sell" excuse. That what they do excuses to keep not competing with each other

What Nintendo needs to do, is actually help 3rd parties to port stuff

>>386047559
>In fact, I know for a fact that a build of Resident Evil 7 and the Final Fantasy XIII collection were up and running on Switch before launch.

The switch can't run RE7's engine

troll thread, /thread

>>386054860
it would take more than a year plus nintendo hardware is phone hardware ps4 and xbox has pc hardware in it

>>386050915
that shit was after the gaming crash that they then imposed shit to avoid rampant unlicensed shovelware. The kept that shit for far to long sure but god damn nigga why you being such a little bitch needing to misconstrue shit to pretend to have a point about shit.

>>386050915
It may look like a dick move, but it was to prevent the NES from looking like the 2600.

>>386056606
>that shit was after the gaming crash that they then imposed shit to avoid rampant unlicensed shovelware.
And yet SNES and NES still got an ungodly amount of shovelware so your point is moot, remember the "nintendo seal of quality"?

>>386056332
>The switch can't run RE7's engine
>troll thread, /thread

>believing mainstream lies like good little beta sheep.

nice going on showing off to the world just how much of a retard beta ya really are m8. Take a look in the mirror and take long and introspective look at yourself and quit being such a faggity as queer m8.

>>386056606
And yet no developers were happy about it and jumped ship to ps1

>>386056258
But Switch SF2 sold well. Rather, it sold more than what Capcom thought (more than 10 copies?)

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>>386056816
>IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST NINTENDO WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

>>386050915
like many have said this was done due to the massive influx of literal shit games pre 3rd gen the crashed the game market twice. Thats right, not once, but twice. It wasnt a way to stop devs from making games, but to force devs to make GOOD ones

you sonybros are the worst

>>386047982
Only on the portable side

Look at DQXI sales

They are pretty much even with PS4.

>>386056982
>but to force devs to make GOOD ones
Yet Nintendo gave the OK to tons of terrible to be released on the NES, mainly LJN trash

>>386047559
>Playstation 4 has sold over 50 million units so far
>Switch has sold less than 10 million so far
>SONY IS THREATENING DEVS TO NOT MAKE GAMES FOR SWITCH

>>386056864
during the 5th gen, when nintendo stuck to cartridges rather than moving on to discs

unrelated to the quality issue. unless youre sayigng you WANT devs to make shitty games like et again

>>386056412
Well Capcom had devkits since at least last year, and World isn't coming out until next year, so that shouldn't be a problem.

>>386057163
you mean like movie games? theres a difference, theyre actually fucking playable

the games that nintendo tried to flush out where literal buggy messes that where for all intents and purposes paper weights

>>386057184
50 million units since 3 or 4 years ago

versus 10 million since march

its not difficult to grasp

>>386057187
>unless youre sayigng you WANT devs to make shitty games like et again
Just because Nintendo isnt holding devs in a leash that doesnt mean they'll just release terrible games on purpose
>>386057363
>theres a difference, theyre actually fucking playable
Yeah like Last Action Hero on SNES, a game so good you cant pass from the first screen since the game is so horribly unbalanced

>>386056816
yes, the entire universe is in cahoots to keep nintendo down. It's got nothing to do with nintendo making bad decisions.

>>386057363

B-but they aren't 10/10 masterpieces

>>386057453
>versus 10 million since march
Actually the 10M is their target for this year, but due manufacturing issues i doubt they'll reach it

>>386057461
>Just because Nintendo isnt holding devs in a leash that doesnt mean they'll just release terrible games on purpose

me andromeda

>Yeah like Last Action Hero on SNES

to be fair, you cant filter absolutely everything

imagine if during gen 1 and 2, for every LAH, there was 20 more of them

>>386054454
sony are never going away. they're a huge company with much more resources than nintendo. with the numbers they pull in europe they could easily afford giving up on japan, which they probably should because unless they buy all the nintendo ips they'll never win that market

>>386057606


why the fuck did they think competing with mobilel was a good idea

>>386057163
Listen Rolfefag, not only were some of the best games made by LJN including Roger Rabbit, Nightmare on Elm Street, and T&C Surfing, but they were a division of Acclaim which also made some of the best games for the system. So why don't you go off and form your own opinion ya ball bag.

You don't like those games because you grew up on ps2, which had three times as many shitty titles.

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>>386047559

>>386049213
Give an example or go away

>>386057648
>me andromeda
So you're using MEA(which almost none of the original Bioware crew was working on) to examplify devs doing a bad game on purpose? modern Bioware thought what they were making would be something good not their fault it wasnt the case

>imagine if during gen 1 and 2, for every LAH, there was 20 more of them
Except that even on NES there were tons of licensed games that technically can be playable but are terrible in the gameplay aspect of t

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>>386050915
Adding to what everyone else said, it also spawned smaller brands inside of companies like Ultra making sound long term jobs in a then awkward industry.
So you're retarded.

>>386057453
That doesn't change the fact that the PS4 has a bigger consumer base so it makes sense more people are making games for it in comparison
>10 million since launch
No, they're aiming to sell 10 million total by the end of this year which might not happen because of ongoing supply issues. Though if they did, that would be impressive given the Wii U only sold 13 million over its entire life cycle.

Sony literally pays money to keep music apps for releasing on Xbox. They're completely insane at this point. They spend all the money their idiot fans give them for PS Plus on petty shit that benefits no one.

>>386056332
That's false, RE7 is not an impressive game.

>>386058358
*from

>>386056864
Yah dummy, events are relevant to time.

>>386058358
To be fair Microsoft used the same tactic of paying companies to keep certain content away from the competition so if anything its Sony giving Microsoft a taste of their own medicine

>>386058054
>to examplify devs doing a bad game on purpose?
>it counts when it works for me but doesnt count when its used against me

regardless of intention, a shit game was still released for th intention of profit. This is what nitendo was trying to filter out back in the day

> there were tons of licensed games that technically can be playable but are terrible in the gameplay aspect of t

No ones saying othewise

the point was to limit the number of games like that, and to also eradicate the issue of nonfunctioning games in general. Its not a perfect system, you cant filter out each and every single bad egg, but limiting the amount so that gamers wont become jaded and let the market crash again was imperative to keeping a healthy ecosystem going.

Say theres a farmer that makes carrots and does so successfully, and out of nowhere 2o other farmers jump in and start making carrots s well, but they all happen to be completely and totally shitty quality. Fungus and insects everywhere, rotting disease sticks.

Eventually a commitee of sorts is created to cull the issue and make sure healthy edible carrots are being made. Despite this, a fe carrots in terrible condition make it through, but of course at substantially lower frequencies

Would you really blame the committee for "stifling" carrot production?

>>386058204
>That doesn't change the fact that the PS4 has a bigger consumer base so it makes sense more people are making games for it in comparison

True, but considering the increasing share that the switch is taking, it also makes sense to foster another avenue of income, and considering the trend of rapid increase its fair to say that the avenue wont dry out any time soon

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>>386047559
>I know for a fact that a build of Resident Evil 7 and the Final Fantasy XIII collection were up and running on Switch before launch.
Should have faked a source so people would believe you

>>386057926
LJN was bought by a toy company and became what was THQ, so not really

>>386056864
I seem to recall a huge increase in shovel ware during that and the PS2 era.

The glory days weren't all that great, still good but I'm being realistic.

>>386058204
Now go look up the average attach rate for a ps4 owner.....
good little monkey.

>>386058583
>a shit game was still released for th intention of profit.
Same as NES and SNES
>This is what nitendo was trying to filter out back in the day
Which is funny because even to this day Nintendo manages to churn out terrible games with the intention of profit, Amiibo Party comes to mind

And to your second point, you cant say that Nintendo tried to filter out terrible games and an oversaturation on the market when licensed games were mostly terrible and there was one released like each month or so

>>386058578
>To be fair Microsoft used the same tactic of paying companies to keep certain content away from the competition

And we both know what that led to, the Xbox One initial reveal and how anti-consumer that was. When a company starts going down this rabbit hole it gets worse and worse until reaching a boiling point.

Sony is the only company putting money to studios so they NOT release games in certain platforms, the same happened with GTA V for like 2 years.

>>386058765
.....and as a quick example the best wrestling games ever made were only on N64 all made by THQ.
Go look up THQ's library now, tell me what you see.

Sony hates the idea of a free market.

>>386058791
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/24/ps4-has-a-better-software-attach-rate-than-ps2-and-wii-6402140/
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57996/ps4-sales-hit-60-million-huge-software-attach-rate/index.html
Anon, the internet has more uses other than to browse Infowars

>>386058835
>Same as NES and SNES

Like i said before, no ones saying otherwise. The points to limit that issue.

>Which is funny because even to this day Nintendo manages to churn out terrible games with the intention of profit, Amiibo Party comes to mind

Just admit it nigga, you dont like nintendo games, which is fair. it may not be your cup of tea, but theyre still playbnale games other people enjoy, Doesnt mean theyre shit jsut because you dont like it

>And to your second point, you cant say that Nintendo tried to filter out terrible games and an oversaturation on the market when licensed games

Let me add on to me point then

Would you rather have a carrot that doesnt taste particularly great but is edible

or a complete piece of rotting festering shit

your call

>>386059083
>ps4 has better attach rate than the 2 consoles with the worst attach rate in history

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>>386058975
>doesn't remember microsoft gta 4 dlc timed exclusivity
Retard.

>>386058835
As opposed to what? The cadre of never-ending disappointments your pre-order culture created through console exclusivity? Please, go on

>>386059174
You could sort of make a case for PS2 but the Wii had an amazing attach rate, even if you dont count shit that was bundled like Wii Sports

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>>386058975
Just shut the fuck up, Sony hasn't done brought out full AAA games off it's competition for a year like Dead Rising and Tomb Raider, heck the entire xbox conference was timed exclusives, why the fuck are people pretending microsoft are the good guys?

>>386057753
You should never discount a country because you have so-and-so. Europe was kind to Microsoft last gen but that didn't last.

>>386059174
>one of the best consoles of all time
>one of the best selling consoles nu-nintendo has
made

>>386059419
Sony doesn't need to do that, they just advertise the game as being exclusive and then BOOM also available on PC.

They're not idiots, they just have to buy the exclusive advertising like with Destiny. But by paying to prevent games from releasing in some platforms the only thing they're doing is fucking up people. With timed exclusives at least Microsoft puts money into the development.

>>386059083
.............holy fuck why would you sight this? Who gives a shit what the UK thinks?
How many games do people have on average for ps4, compare that to how many games people have on average for switch right now.

What does Alex Jones have to do with you be a faggot kid who pays what? Seventy dollars now for sony online? You gave yourself away as a leftist puffball.
Next time don't do that nu/v/

>>386059151
>The points to limit that issue.
True but they didnt make much of an effort
>Just admit it nigga, you dont like nintendo games
Im neutral towards them but im just putting up an example, you cant say Nintendo prevented devs from making bad games with profit in the mind when even Nintendo themselves are guilty of it as well
>Would you rather have a carrot that doesnt taste particularly great but is edible
>or a complete piece of rotting festering shit
Shitty food analogy aside I'd rather have a good carrot instead of a mediocre one, i mean you're acting like if Gen 1 and 2 didnt have anything good

>>386059419
MS is better than Sony at this point though.

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>>386047559

>people defending microsoft in this thread
Is like you guys forget they make windows

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>>386059174
swish

>>386047559
[Citation Needed]

>>386047559

I'm actually willing to think this has some validity.

There's a rumor going around that Sony regulates word of mouth or attempts to and extent.

>>386059773
/g/ pls go

>>386059419
Can't wait for that Batman reskin with QTE.
I mean Spiderman

>>386059695
>your sources doesnt count because i dont like it
>How many games do people have on average for ps4
I dont know but that's true for any console
>compare that to how many games people have on average for switch right now.
Considering some people just buy Switches to scalp them, i dont think there's much difference

>>386059627
>With timed exclusives at least Microsoft puts money into the development.

Like how? Dead rising and tomb raider didn't get any additional funding.

>>386060021
Dead Rising 3, 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider were both co-funded by MS you retard. It's public knowledge.

Switch will conclusively prove one way or the other if Nintendo will ever get third party support. If it continues to take off like it has and ends up selling 50-60 million units lifetime and still ends up with piddling third party support then it's a pretty safe bet that it'll never really happen again.

>>386051135
>The exclusivity is shit but title limits and quality are a must otherwise you have too many shit games.
There were a ton of shitty games on the NES.

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>>386047559
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
EAT SHIT NINTENDO

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>>386059724
>MS is better than Sony at this point though.

They have no games, literally the only new big game that dropped in 2017 yet is halo wars 2.

These fuckers cancelled to big RPG projects and waste money on shit nobody cares about.

>>386056258

I think you're underestimating to what lengths the big 3 will go.

>>386060108
>were both co-funded by MS you retard.
Except RoTR was released on PS4 some time after

>>386060290
What's your point? Minecraft is literally owned by MS and comes out on PS4 and Switch.

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>>386059448
So many resources.....
bleeding money from every orifice.
How was the new spiderman movie?
How was the new ghostbusters movie?
How is your Sony Vaio?
How does your brand new Sony TV hold up after two years?
How is your Sony Erikson phone?
How is your PSVR?

ALL FAILURES

>>386060108
Breh, why did they waste money on funding on a non exclusive just to only pay for a year?

>>386059718
>True but they didnt make much of an effort

You really dont know diddly squat about 1st and 2nd gen do you?

>you cant say Nintendo prevented devs from making bad games with profit in the mind when even Nintendo themselves are guilty of it as well

All games are made with profit in mind, mind you, developers arent altruistic creators of enjoyment. They do how ever balance profit versus the desire to actually make a good or at the very least a playable game. Even if a game is terrible, it still will likely not be as buggy and broken as they where ages past and may still have an audience that appreciated the game, regardless of others view of it. If you know a game that you think is shit, theres probably a thousand other people who would say otherwise

> I'd rather have a good carrot instead of a mediocre one

The problem being that good carrots where hard to come by at one point, under this analogy

> i mean you're acting like if Gen 1 and 2 didnt have anything good

yes but you had to wade through a sea of shit to get to them. Im assuming youre not aware also of the fact that beides buggy games, many console developers during the 1st and 2nd era made competing consoles with the exact same games and no way to switch out games like we do with discs and cartridges now a days

>>386060354
If MS co-founded it they wouldnt have released it on a Sony system, also MS would be retarded not to release one of the most profitable games of all time on other platforms just because they own the IP

>>386060428
Same reason sony co-funded RE7 development just to try to boost PSVR even though the game came out on Xbox day one.

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>>386057753
>So many resources.....
>bleeding money from every orifice.
>How was the new spiderman movie?
>How was the new ghostbusters movie?
>How is your Sony Vaio?
>How does your brand new Sony TV hold up after two years?
>How is your Sony Erikson phone?
>How is your PSVR?
>ALL FAILURES

If that were the case then Nintendo's execs better just off themselves for being such cucks.
But I know OP is just a Nintendo apologist trying to make excuses that the switch will have less support than the Wii U.

>>386047559
>have a great working relationship with Nintendo
Nice try Nintenboy

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>>386056332
>Switch can't run an engine

>>386057187
>muh cartridges

I see this myth brought up a lot online, along with the 'Nintendo was oppressing third parties myth.'

In reality, Sony was throwing around money left, right, and center. I believe they have Square One hundred million for Final Fantasy VII, for example.

>>386059695

>ps4
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2017-ps4-sales-reach-new-heights/1100-6450884/
hardware sales = 60.4 million units
software sales = 487.8 million units
attach rate = 8.08

>switch
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/302482/Sales_up_at_Nintendo_as_Switch_sells_47M_units_worldwide.php
hardware sales= 4.7 million units
software sales = 13.6 million units
attach rate = 2.89

hmm

In the real world, the average normafag would see nintendo machines as kiddy devices and if they ever get it, it's for the usual Nintendo games. A random dudebro won't buy fifa or cod on a nintendo machine or bring his friends over to play on his switch. Nintendo have been trying since the gamecube era to get rid of the kiddy image ever since sega fucked them over

>>386060284
Not really, I'm sure there are shit like op is saying going on and stuff, heck we all know how false the gaming media can get

But it's mostly that when it comes to 3rd parties

We only have proof on EA shitting on Nintendo on purpose when the Wii U launched, anything else is up in the air

>>386061006
This is not a myth Nintenboy. You are too young or not even born yet when this happened so what do you know.

>>386060482
>You really dont know diddly squat about 1st and 2nd gen do you?
Yes i know there were good games like bad ones, that's a true for any generation of consoles
>All games are made with profit in mind, mind you, developers arent altruistic creators of enjoyment
So now you're advocating for bad games made with profit on the mind?
>Even if a game is terrible, it still will likely not be as buggy and broken as they where ages past and may still have an audience that appreciated the game
You're acting like if some Atari games didnt straight up boot, ET while horrible was functional but clearly not fun to play, like it happened with most licensed games in the coming generations
>The problem being that good carrots where hard to come by at one point, under this analogy
Read the first point
>yes but you had to wade through a sea of shit to get to them.
And that's true for any generation as well, if you had to pick a game from a 100 random ones from the NES/SNES/PS1/PS2 libraries, you would most likely pick something bad

>>386061006
>I see this myth brought up a lot online

Except this was literally the case for why third parties moved away from nintendo. I believe even square themselves stated that ff7 ended up going to ps1 due to needing an exorbitant amount of cartridges to fit the whole game versus the 3 discs on ps1

>along with the 'Nintendo was oppressing third parties myth.'

Im actually against that notion, im the guy whos been arguing with the guy claiming that very same thing in this thread

man loves his festering carrtots

>>386061026
so on average ps4 owners are buying 5 more games than switch owners.

>>386061006
It's not a myth, CDs were cheaper and that was it

Still Sony creates it's own piracy since the PS1 so obviously they end up selling more

>>386057453
This year make four years, and Switch launched five months ago.

It's 63M v 5M

>>386061006
>I believe they have Square One hundred million for Final Fantasy VII, for example.
Except tahat fucking wrong, Nintendo wanted FF7 on N64 but since Square's scope for the project would require the game to be split in like 10 cartridges, it would cost a fortune for both the developer and the customer so they went with Sony which had CDs which were able to hold more data

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>>386059982
You sighted an article involving the smallest game market in the world.
and another anon, just told you that the two consoles they compared it two have the worst attach rates of any system.

Your source is dogshit. you should have typed something better in the search box in the five seconds it took you to respond.

Anything else from James Rolfe you want to talk about?

How about those NES accessories, amiright?

the 'big' company does this all the time

nintendo use to do it, microsoft did it last gen on the 360, then sony started paying for exclusive content

the only reason why it's impossible to gauge nintendo switch sales potential atm is because the stock is a fucking disaster, and what little does come out seems to be gobbled up by third party sellers that jack up the price

between this and the classic nes bullshit nintendo is just straight retarded, how short sighted can you be to not realize that "hey, maybe we'd be in competition with apple for parts and get fucked in the ass for stock"

anything less than liker 15m after holidays for switch and i'd be leaning more towards the wii u than switch for sure, mostly because if they can't figure out their stock by then they're not ever going to figure it out and by then people will have moved on, you can only have stock be scarce for so long for people stop giving a shit

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>>386061602
Well you think the PS2 and wii had terrible attach rates so im not wasting time talking to someone who is mentally handicapped, also there's other sources posted in this thread, read them and shut up

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Nintenbros still mad about losing Monster Hunter.

>>386061527
All they would have to do in that situation is scale back the scope of the game and try again later. But they didn't do that.

They did the same thing then that they are doing now... making excuses.

>>386061602
here you go
>>386061026

>>386061280
I would think that the best selling system at present would be much higher.

I can't talk for you faggots but who owns a console for 4 years and only buys 8 games?

Turn in your punch card and talk to HR for your exit interview if that's the case.

>>386061193
>along with the 'Nintendo was oppressing third parties myth.'

Yet you keep ignoring the sheer majority of terible buggy games during this era. Are you sure youre not just a nintendo hater? You seem to be making it a point to not get the message on purpose

>So now you're advocating for bad games made with profit on the mind?

Ah, so now we begin the baiting

Now unless youre not just tyring to bait, no of course not. A game should be made with the intention of making a good, enjoyable product thats fun for those the games marketed to. How ever, much like any other job, altrusim doesnt pay the bills, so profit of course needs to be considered. The main thing to take from this is that a balance between the two needs to be met, otherwise you have companies that spend millions on a passion project that sinks them, or spend fuck all and ship a turd that may make them money at first but sink them even harder due to low quality of the product.

>You're acting like if some Atari games didnt straight up boot

Some games straight up didnt work as intended, yes. Or are you really going to argue with me on this otherwise?

>et
Nigga did i say et was an example of a buggy mess? It was still terrible due to other reasons such as poor direction and otherwise convoluted gameplay. This was another issue that needed to be weeded out during the early eras of video game history.

>Read the first point

Ive read the first point, my point still, stands

>And that's true for any generation as well,

yes, but less so. Honestly though in the modern ages its really your own fault for choosing a shitty game considering the resources available to know the good from the bad. Consider games like the war z or if i recall, big mother truckers. If you pick any game from modern generations, likely they arent going to be as bad as those two, but you cant say the same for gen 1 and 2

>>386061775
DON'T TELL ME TO SHUT UP YOU BIG DOODY HEAD MEANIE!
They did, ps2: DVD player when dvd players were expensive. Lot of sales, not so much with games by average.
Wii is obvious and needs no explanation.
Nice anime faggot

>>386062040
considering a majority of gamers are dudebros who only buy sports games, gta, and fps

8 actually seems about right lol

wouldn't surprise me if the average nintendo attach rate was around the same as there was a mario, a zelda, and a mariokart + maybe another one or two that get popular usually tied to one of the three other ones

This thread is pretty faggy OP. This is such a non issue of big corporations hogging all the games and paid promotion. Just look up Yamauchi if you want to see Nintendo telling third parties to fuck off.

>>386061989
>All they would have to do in that situation is scale back the scope of the game and try again later
So you are asking the developer to scrap everything and make all the money and time spent go to garbage because you're being a spoiled brat? Gee no wonder Square went with Sony

>>386061056
> kiddy image ever since sega fucked them over
No. Nintendo themselves announced that their games are for everyone, even small kids can enjoy. That's why they have that reputation.

>>386062447
On top of that, they could have made additional projects that would have suited the N64's strengths. Seeing them whine and cry about muh cartridge space rings hollow because of that.

Nintendo doesn't make an effort to support third party like Sony and Microsoft do. They're busy off making their games while scratching their heads as to why they get no support.

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>Nintendo
>third party

*inhales audibly*

>>386049213
Because it's always okay when Nintendo does it

>>386062765
Lol. Look at what's happened with smaller third parties like Next Level Games and Platinum. It's pretty clear that both consider Nintendo to be their all time favorite partner because they support them in a wide myriad of ways.

>>386047559
I have a Switch and like Nintendo but this is obviously pure bullcrap.

>>386047559
I'll take things that are simply untrue for $100

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Third parties are afraid because they make less money under a Nintendo ruled generation than they do Sony.

This is why they side with Sony because they only put out so many games a year, leaving the PlayStation as a third party box.

>>386061776
It's value has been extremely lowered that is to Splatoon 2. Sony finally gets a Monster Hunter "game" and it's already dethroned by a 2 year old game.

>>386062183
>along with the 'Nintendo was oppressing third parties myth.'
You quotes the wrong guy genius

You said
>all games are made with profit in the mind
Yet the rest of the post never said anything about BAD games with profit in the mind
>A game should be made with the intention of making a good, enjoyable product thats fun for those the games marketed to.
No one makes bad games on purpose, like you said. MEA was made with the purpose of giving the series a fresh start but due incompetence the final product was a failure, also dont act like you need a million to make a good game, there's good games that were made with less
>Some games straight up didnt work as intended, yes
So did most licensed games, they booted up yes but from there on out the game could contain a bug that rendered the game unwinnable and none would be the wiser
>Ive read the first point, my point still, stands
No it doesnt, bad games will always exist no matter how much quality control you have
>likely they arent going to be as bad as those two, but you cant say the same for gen 1 and 2
Not really, some early access games simply dont work or can be played until a certain point and then the game collapses on itself

>>386062902

Platinum is literally making a PS4 exclusive right now

>>386062040
>wii u
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1612.pdf
hardware= 13.56 million
software = 96.52 million
avg. number of games per owner = 7.12

Wiiu's life time is 2012-2017= 5 years

>3ds
same source as above
hardware=65.3 million
software = 321 million
avg. number of games per owner = 4.92

3ds life time is 2011-2017 = 6 years

comparing to the last two nintendo systems , Ps4 is still ahead.

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>>386047559
>The developers themselves really want to develop for Nintendo hardware, have a great working relationship with Nintendo, and want to develop for Switch

>>386062765
Nintendo is the only company that makes highly rated games back after back. They're literally video game magicians that no one can rival. Third parties most likely just feel inferior when having their games next to Nintendo's, and I don't blame them.

Zelda was in development for 5 years and still more critically acclaimed than FFXV. Mario Odyssey will be getting a score in the high 90s just like Zelda, while other third parties (Rock star being the exception) struggle to do so.

>>386063415
Not him but what's it called?
I like Platinum games

>>386062738
Maybe because they saw how popular the PS1 was and decided to shift full focus on that instead of an unpopular console which was a mess to develop for like the N64

>>386062040
>>386063434
I've never seen an ass ravage this hard

>>386063493
It's based on Granblue Fantasy but not much info has been revealed so far

>>386056982
are you trying to tell me that the wii wasn't full of shovelware third party trash? sony's doing them a favour, nobody wants more nintendogs

>>386047559

But Capcom just said they will support Nintendo more since they apparently got their expectations met with Ultra Street Fighter 2

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>>386063487
Back to back huh?

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>>386063487
No 90 score here.

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>>386063487
wizards of gaming indeed

>>386063748
>>386063828
Those don't count, I'm talking about the Mario and Zelda games retards.

>>386063487
desu it'd have to be a really fucking shitty mario/zelda/mariokart game for them to actually give them a shit score just because of nostalgea alone

>>386063487
>Third parties most likely just feel inferior when having their games next to Nintendo's, and I don't blame them.

And this is probably why third party steer clear away from them. From the sounds of your post Nintendo doesn't even need it with all the great content they put out. I mean, fuck this thread am I right?

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>>386063910
>I'm talking about the Mario and Zelda games retards.
Oh like this one?

>>386047559
Sonymonkeys behave like roasties, jesus

>>386064058
Actual adventure games not spinoff you fuck.

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>>386063487
>Nintendo is the only company that makes highly rated games back after back
>>386063910
>Those don't count

You cannot make this shit up.

>>386063306
I mean to quote your first response
>Yes i know there were good games like bad ones, that's a true for any generation of consoles

You can simply ignore the misquote and its fine

>No one makes bad games on purpose

This is getting really boring and semantic. You should be able to surmise that my intention is to say that no company intentionally makes a bad game, but that companies do intentionally underfund games for profit, which was extremely prevalent during the 1st and 2nd gens. I dont need to spell everything out for you.

>also dont act like you need a million to make a good game, there's good games that were made with less

When. Was this ever stated. Why do you assume that i ignore games made by smaller companies. Did i ever say theres an issue with small games. Did i ever say that a game has to be triple a to be good(in the fact the opposite tends to be the case)

>So did most licensed games, they booted up yes but from there on out the game could contain a bug that rendered the game unwinnable and none would be the wiser

Once a fucking gain

How often does this happen today compared to the past, not including greenlight steam games due to the nature of it

>No it doesnt, bad games will always exist no matter how much quality control you have

My point still stands because the argument was never that bad games dont exist, but they are less frequent than today. Honesty youre intentionally being obtuse

>Not really, some early access games simply dont work or can be played until a certain point and then the game collapses on itself

Considering this argument was about nintendo and not steam its not really apt. Once again your purposely smearing the argument across multiple spectrums to be obtuse. Regardless, early acces is a different can of worms im not fucking with

Anyways, im done with this argument, go ahead and reply and see if some one else makes a rebuttal but this has gone on to long for me. enjoy your day sonyfag

>>386064045
>And this is probably why third party steer clear away from them.
Which is a shame, if they weren't thinking about the money and exploiting groups of people they could probably just crank out games on par instead of steadily killing their own IPs like Capcom for example is currently doing.
Speaking of Capcom, it's an absolute crime how they're sitting on all of their formerly great IPs and are doing absolutely nothing with them.

It'll be interesting to see where third parties go when Microsoft or Sony leave he console sphere, which is looking more and more likely every gen.

>>386048087
It's real in Nintendo fags' minds.

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>>386063748
Cherry picking. For every low scoring Nintendo game there is, there's 5 others with 80+ metacritic scores.

>>386063828
New IP and still sold 1.2M in only two weeks. This is what scares third parties, only Nintendo can do this with a new IP.

>>386063903
Cherries.

>>386063910
Nice falseflag, stop pretending to be me.

>>386063924
Haha, Splatoon is a new IP and is already one of the biggest games ever in Japan. Rivaling the popularity of Monster Hunter. Only Nintendo can do it, keep pretending that Zelda and Mario is the only thing Nintendo has.

>>386064214
That faggot isn't me. He's a Sonyfriend like you.

>>386059083

A good proportion PS4 attach rate is called FIFA 14, 15, 16 and they're sitting in pre-owned sections. Not in peoples collections.

sad thing is, most people buy a ps4 for fifa.

>>386063903
>shows two games not even made by Nintendo themselves

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>>386064450
>only Nintendo can do this with a new IP.

Not true. There was another IP that sold 2.7M in two weeks. Can you guess who?

>>386064450
so Switchcucks cant complain about bloodborne

>>386047559
I appreciate OP's sentiment, but this is false. 3rd parties have been holding back because Nintendo asked them to hold off until 2018. Why do you think all the 3rd parties are saying "we'll see... if there's an audience we'll be there..."? No one wants to compete with Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2 and Mario all in one year. Nintendo knows this and has been planning their release schedule to maximize sales.

And I seriously doubt the sentiment that people will move on because of stock shortages. Look at the must have titles after just ONE year. People aren't going to be able to resist Metroid Prime 4, BotW2, etc

>>386063903
Mighty Gunvolt Burst scored that low?
Jeez that's a shame because the game is really good.

>>386047559

>SWITCH
>THIRD PARTY SUPPORT

AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>386064309
>You should be able to surmise that my intention is to say that no company intentionally makes a bad game, but that companies do intentionally underfund games for profit, which was extremely prevalent during the 1st and 2nd gens
Only the last post you introduced the concept of "the game is bad because they underfunded it" when its has to do more with the skill devs have rather than the budget you spent on it, and even then there's awful games that cost millions to be made
>When. Was this ever stated
From what you typed you think games needs a good budget for it to be good or otherwise it's underfunded
>How often does this happen today compared to the past, not including greenlight steam games due to the nature of it
You'd be surprised how many broken indie games sneak past the QC and make it not only to Steam but consoles as well
>but they are less frequent than today
Maybe because most bad games were licensed and those moved to mobile and such and even then you got all the garbage that comes from Steam to replace it
>Regardless, early acces is a different can of worms im not fucking with
You're not touching that subject because it demolishes your argument of bad games not being so recurrent nowadays
>enjoy your day sonyfag
Ill take it that you got mad and decided to call me names because you couldnt won the arguement, better luck next time

>>386064450
>only Nintendo can do this with a new IP
wrong

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-16-horizon-zero-dawn-sells-2-6m-copies-in-two-weeks

HZD sold more than twice that in the same time

>>386064548
fifa 17 only sold 11 mill
16 sold 8 mill
15 sold 6 mill
14 3 mill

>>386064548
doesn't matter one bit to publishers. so long as the games are sold third parties don't care what people do with their copies.

>>386056710
And in many ways, it still did. NES had a fuckton of shovelware.

>>386064392
sony is killing it this gen, they'll be in it for ps5 at least

microsoft is already trying to tie in console and pc, so they might have their foot in the door

i'm more interested to see if sony tries to do something like the vita again or the switch/wii u tablet type thing to try and tie it in to the next console while they're on their giant wave of popularity/sales, they basically slaughtered this gen so they have all the momentum currently to try something new

nintendo is.. interesting

unless they pump out another new system, they'll be so far behind if sony does ps5 in the next year or 2

though nintendo has more new consoles than good new games lately

zelda and mario kart vs classic nes, 2ds, classic snes kek

gonna be interesting if their virtual console never comes out/never has any good games because they put them on the retro consoles

>>386047559
i dislike sony, but i legitimately hate nintendo now, so i hope this is true

>>386063434
3ds attach rate is low as fuck. sad.

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>>386064450
>damage controlling this hard
The most hilarious part is this
>For every low scoring Nintendo game there is, there's 5 others with 80+ metacritic scores
If that's the case then Nintendo owns us like more than 20 or so 80+ games

>>386065027
The problem being that no one is going to buy their games in droves like they do for Fifa and CoD. Ultimately it's just going to result in failure for a large chunk of them that try to appeal to an audience that has no interest.

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>>386064781
literally the only reason why that actually sold is because sonyfags were mad they couldn't play the better open world game coming out that month

Sony is too POWERFUL, it has to be stopped!

>>386047559
Have you ever thought that maybe third party devs aren't porting their games to switch because its super weak and would require a lot of extra work? Seems a lot more likely than your conspiracy theory.

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>>386064450
Psst... 3M in two weeks.

>>386064781
>>386064930
Fair enough. But considering PS4's large player base, HZD has a really bad attachment rate and was still BTFO by Zelda. Perfect example of what happens to third parties competing with Nintendo.

The quality starts to show.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ

>>386065142
pokemon

same as the ps4 is cod/gta/sports games looking attach rate

hardly any new series sell games/consoles these days

indie games can outsell new aaa titles usually lol

>>386064803
People are going to be surprised in 2018.

>>386065232
difference is that the fighting game genre is very niche. of course an adventure game "FROM THE DEVS OF UNCHARTED" is going to sell more. arms actually outsold SFV

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>>386065194
I actually bought both games, not everyone can own one system like you junior

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>>386047559
>The developers themselves really want to develop for Nintendo hardware

>>386065319
>arms actually outsold SFV
ARMS outsold most modern fighters.

>>386065058
Vita and PSVR are killing it? Lol.

Sony is living off of borrowed time and ancient, declining IPs and publishers.

>>386065269
ps4 still has twice the attach rate of 3ds. Clearly people are buying more than cod/fifa.

>>386065346
trust me, i own a ps4 switch and pc, i own enough systems. most people who own a ps4 however, only own one system because they want to keep "loyal" to the company

>>386047559
>developers want to port everything

Only if the game is indie as fuck and some easy to code 2D platformer. Aside from that fuck of. If you want to make a game for the nintendo switch make exclusives for them.

Capcom can easily make a "smash" version with their Street Fighter franchise or you know FINALLY MAKE A FUCKING MEGAMAN GAME!

Can say that about any 3rd party. They need to stop dicking off and being lazy bastards.

>>386065263
Considering a new IP sold pretty much the same as the new Zelda in a new machine, those numbers are impressing but I know you're going to keep making excuses so why bother

>>386065468
ps4 utterly destroyed wii u to the point they had to shit out a new console mid gen

ps4 cucked the fuck out of the xbone

i'd say yes, they're killing it this gen, i was just saying it'll be interesting if sony tries to pump out another vita/handheld type thing next gen while they're riding sales momentum

whatever at vr, that shit is still like 10ish years away from being decent, they have to figure out motion sickness before that thing can go mass public

>>386065163
and no one is going to buy third partie games on nintendo system like they buy nintendo games. Meaning 3rd parties still have little to no reason to support nintendo systems.

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>>386065319
I'm guessing the tag line of: FROM THE COMPANY THAT MADE EVERY GAME FROM YOUR CHILDHOOD just isn't enough to sell like Drake nowadays.

>>386065474
>Clearly people are buying more than cod/fifa.
There's quite a few CoD and Fifa games already on the system anon not to mention games that fall in similar genres like Battlefield.

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>>386065463
It didnt outsold Tekken and Injustice though
>inb4 that one faggot who said it outsold Tekken in Japan which already had the game since years

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> consoletards will defend this
we told you about consoles
why do you hate freedom

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>>386065319
But I get it, it is a fighting game after all.

>>386065741
Most anon, not all.
Also do we actually have Tekken's sales numbers?

>>386065263
Exactly, thereby no reason for third parties to ever bother with nintendo systems.

>>386047559
I understand that they want to do this because of how much their other departments are tanking but that's an empty threat that would only serve to hurt Sony in the long run

>>386065807
>Also do we actually have Tekken's sales numbers?
Not really but it did top the charts in June according to NPD so it must be pretty good

>>386065263
so why should third parties ever make games for nintendo systems? clearly nintendo children only buy nintendo games.

just call their Bluff 90% of their fucking library is third-party and they don't have any good first party

>>386066145
>clearly nintendo children only buy nintendo games
Correction, they only buy good games which is why competent third party games can thrive on Nintendo systems especially when it comes to their handhelds. As it stands however since the Wii third parties have been putting less and less effort into their games resulting in lower sales.

Suddenly Sony has become the boogeyman

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>>386047559
>No Citation
>Nintendobros is CNN now

Nice fanfic Nintendobro, But if your statement were true then Sony wouldn't allow the xbone versions of those games you've mentioned as well since the Xbone has more similarities in terms business models than the Switch. Your bias didn't account for the possibility that porting those games is not economically viable or the game runs on the Switch but the quality and performance gap is large when compared to the console version that it becomes unmarketable or Audience difference.

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>>386047559
>sony pays to put game on console
>pays for marketing
>sometimes even pays for development
>this guy surprised sony expects game to be on sony platform and not on competition after that
Switchtoddlers buttblasted as FUCK

>>386066367
yeah nintenkids only buy good games when some of the best selling nintendo games are brain age

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>>386065821
>>386066145
Don't get me wrong, I love third parties. I bought a PC to play them. I'm just informing you guys of the inferiority complex third parties have with Nintendo and their games. It's like putting their small dick by a much bigger one. They like Sony because Sony doesn't make good first party games.

>>386066367
is that why bayonetta 2 and wonderful 101 bombed? kek

If this were the case, 3DS wouldn't be getting the third party support it has. Sony does moneyhat, but I don't think they have the cash to prevent almost every third party game from releasing on Nintendo hardware. And in Microsoft's case, they're just concerned about keeping shit from being released on Sony's platforms. I don't think either of them care too much about what Nintendo is doing. They secure the occasional exclusive, but Nintendo platforms still get third party support, more-so on handhelds because they sell more.

Sony has power for sure, but they're not stupid. They can't afford to be threatening every single third party developer, for them, that would be financial suicide and basically alienate Sony. They would be in the same situation Nintendo was in the 5th gen, after forcing third parties to not release games on other platforms.

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>>386066579
>Sony doesnt make good first party
>third party are scared of Nintendo
This is some expert level mental gymnastics to justify Nintendo not having 3rd party

>>386066559
>when some of the best selling nintendo games are brain age
Brain age also being on a system that appealed to everyone from 3 year olds to pensioners.

>>386066830
Define "bomb".

>>386066936
>>Sony doesnt make good first party
Well he's not wrong about that.
When's the last time they made a truly exceptional first party game?

>>386066937
>Define "bomb".
Ill put it on these terms, on its first week, W101 on Japan sold less than the remastered version of TLOU

>>386067037
>When's the last time they made a truly exceptional first party game?
UC4
>inb4 scores dont matter

>>386055326

It's funny, but they are looking more and more like '90s era Nintendo. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

>>386067038
>on its first week, W101 on Japan sold less than the remastered version of TLOU
So bombing is now solely related to units sold rather than profit margin.

Question, what do you think of the PS3 in that regard?

>>386066936

He's right. Sony releases the occasional decent title, but they're mostly known for their good third party support. They're a vehicle for third parties games. Replacing them with say, Samsung, wouldn't make much of a difference at all.

>>386067124
>UC4
Visually nice but nothing special by any means compared to other games on the market.

>>386067254
>So bombing is now solely related to units sold rather than profit margin.
Well considering everyone calls SFV a flop, yes

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>>386067254

>>386066937
im sure Switchcucks didnt buy tomodachi Tomodachi Life or Nintendogs or like how the switchcucks somehow didnt buy wii sports wii sports resort wii fit wii play or Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Link's Crossbow Training is so good loving just dance

>>386066367
according to nintendo fans anything not made by nintendo is a bad game so logically no 3rd parties should consider catering to that audience.

>>386067379
When you put it that way no big company has released something exceptional given there's other games of the same vein on the market

>>386067517
Not bad, just inferior.

>>386065269

Damn, that's kind of cool. Super Mario 3D World had some really cool shit in it.

>>386067403
>Well considering everyone calls SFV a flop, yes
SFV also cost more to make and failed to meet Capcom's own expectations in both units sold and profit.

>>386067517
I don't think I've ever seen a Nintendo fan actually say that unless the game being talked about is actually a bad game.

>Nintendo making another underpowered console
>3rd party avoids Switch because either they are too lazy to optimize their game or can't meet Nintendo's rigorous near perfection standards
>Yeah, let's just blame Sony or Xbox for holding Switch back

>>386067517

If that were the case, none of them would be buying Dragon Quest or Monster Hunter games. Sure, they don't buy every single third party game in existence, but that doesn't mean they don't buy any of them.

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>>386047559
If only.

Fuck Nintendildos. After all their shitposting, they deserve to get shit on.

>>386048087
No source, he's a shitposter.

>>386067698
bloodborne nba gta monster hunter world

>>386067698
>failed to meet Capcom's own expectations in both units sold and profit.
Maybe units sold but not profit, also it helps Sony was funding most of the project and like >>386067438
said dont move the goalpost

>>386067698
you haven't? everytime a 3rd party game doesn't come to nintendo system it gets labeled as shit by every nintendo drone. eg mhw.

>>386067586
now you are just arguing semantics.

>>386067786
>>Yeah, let's just blame Sony or Xbox for holding Switch back
Well, that's not entirely false. If the problem is on the developer's side in regards to general optimization and polish then they are the ones holding the Switch, hell gaming in general, back by allowing them to put these lazily made games on their systems.

>>386047559
Capcom and Square make games on Nintendo consoles though.

>>386067979
yeah when botw was 20 fps when it came out
and still 20 fps in a few areas
plus i would not downgrade a game i made so it could be on a console that cant even run gta v

>>386054454
>Sony paid Capcom to put MH on Xbox and Windows
WTF am I reading?

the amount of goal post moving in this thread by nintenchildren is ludicrous.

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>create best Zelda game ever
>STILL can't outsell the PS4 globally
>nintendo shills just stick their fingers in their ears and only look at japanese sales figures

>>386067943
>also it helps Sony was funding most of the project
They just covered the advertising anon.

>and like >>386067438
>said dont move the goalpost
Not that anyone here is moving goalposts but have it your way going back to your original definition of units only SFV was a total flop for failing to meet expectations. In the case of W101 and Bayo 2 however we'll have to dig up what they were expected to sell and by when to determine if they actually flopped.

>>386068213
A piece of fanfiction made by Nintendolts

So, why are we saying Nintendo isn't getting any third party support? They're still getting Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter (just not World), they got fucking Disgaea for the first time ever, they got Fates, USF2. They're getting Octopath Traveler, they're getting Sonic Mania. They got Xenoverse 2, I am Setsuna, Fast Racing RMX, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Super Bomberman R, and Rocket League. They're getting Bloodstained, the Mana collection, they're getting RIme, they got Yooka Laylee, and Stardew Valley, they got Redout.

What the fuck is everyone complaining about? Is it just the type of third party games they're not getting? Is it because they don't have Call of Duty or Metal Gear? What is it?

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It's kinda sad seeing people defending (or attacking) a company so much, like it's a part of themselves.

Their lives probably suck so much that they need to feel identified as a part of something bigger (like being Nintendo/Sony fans) to feel they're worth something.

>>386068307
>They just covered the advertising anon.
If they did Capcom would've already ported it to Xbone as well
>In the case of W101 and Bayo 2 however we'll have to dig up what they were expected to sell and by when to determine if they actually flopped.
Given that both games sold less than actual trash like Amiibo Party, i'd say they pretty bad

>>386067958
>eg mhw.
Not him but that's less a case of Nintendorks deeming the game as shit and more any criticism regardless being met with
>FUCKING NINTENYEAROLDS YOU'RE JUST MAD IT'S NOT ON THE SWITCH. EAT YOUR 3DS PORT MOTHERFUCKER

>>386068362

People take this shit way too seriously. Even in a Sonic Mania thread, some faggot was bitching at everyone for using a switch pro controller. Like it's a college major or a fucking career.

In the end they're all corporations that want our money. Identifying with them is retarded.

>>386068357
Probably just the yearly big sellers like Madden, CoD, Assassin's Creed, Overwatch, GTA, etc.

>>386068357
>they got fucking Disgaea for the first time ever
They got Disgaea 1 for the DS, post discarded

>>386068357
most people dont count indies and some of the games you listed are only on nintendo consoles

Good. This is the fury nintendo deserves for releasing a console as shitty as the switch.
Why couldn't I have just gotten a successor to the gamecube?

>>386068495
So far the footage from World seems like its the same MH fans love but that still wont stop from people going
>THE RUINED THE SERIES IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER ON 3DS
Not to mention how much they want the game to flop out of spite

>>386068570

Alright alright. But you have to admit, it's been a long fucking time. On top of that they got the GOTY version of 5. It's a good fucking game.

>>386068489
>If they did Capcom would've already ported it to Xbone as well
Unless the deal in question specifically stated that they only get the advertising money if they make SFV a console exclusive. It wouldn't exactly a first for Sony.
But we'll never know the full details on any deals regardless of company so this is a pointless angle to go with to begin with.

>Given that both games sold less than actual trash like Amiibo Party, i'd say they pretty bad
And if they were expected to sell less? You can't exactly call the outcome bad if you don't know that vital piece of information.

>>386068554

Ah, so when they say "third party support" they mean specific titles. Honestly, I'm glad they're getting some unique titles, it brings some variety into the industry. We don't need three clones.

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>>386047559
>YOU'VE POISONED THEM AGAINST ME

you've done a fine job of that yourself.

>>386068624
>and some of the games you listed are only on nintendo consoles
You know if they're third party games exclusive to Nintendo systems that's still third party support right?

>>386047559
as much I would like to believe it anon, seeing as I don't like Sony and all, I need a source for this, just so I can say to myself. HAH I KNEW IT.

>>386068702
>Not to mention how much they want the game to flop out of spite

Cancerous little tumors, aren't they?

>>386047559
I believe Sony has stated once that they view the Switch as a positive and don't really view it as competition at all. They even stated that if you bought a Switch, you would still have to buy a PS4 anyway to play all of their exclusives.

>>386054454
That's a real big fantasy you made up pal. While the Switch is indeed doing good in Japan, the PS4 is not to far behind it, in fact almost close.

The Switch is new, it has lots of potencial but devs aren't going to release a lot of games on it until it builds its base and they see proof that third-parties can do well on Nintendo consoles. We won't be seeing that many games on it til like mid 2018 after Pokemon comes out(or Metroid Prime 4 if it succeeds on large proportions).

>>386068874
>Unless the deal in question specifically stated that they only get the advertising money if they make SFV a console exclusive.
It didnt happen with Bungie when Sony got the advertisements rights for Destiny so why would it happen now?
>And if they were expected to sell less? You can't exactly call the outcome bad if you don't know that vital piece of information.
True but even if we did have that info W101 sold very poorly even for a Platinum game

>>386069069
Indeed, they want World to flop on all platforms so Capcom is "forced" to make a Switch port in hopes of more sales, and this is coming from the same fanbase who hours prior to the announcement said that Sony fans dont care about the series

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>>386047559
>The developers themselves really want to develop for Nintendo hardware, have a great working relationship with Nintendo, and want to develop for Switch. In fact, I know for a fact that a build of Resident Evil 7 and the Final Fantasy XIII collection were up and running on Switch before launch.
>However, the BUSINESS side of the industry is refusing to even consider the idea. Because Sony has outright THREATENED to stop supporting any third party who develops for Nintendo consoles.

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>>386069289
and they say this when monster hunter was originally playstation exclusive and the best selling monster hunter was only on playstation

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>>386069098
>their exclusives

lol

>>386068954

>Implying it isn't the other way around
>Implying Sony hasn't created an empire that has taken over the industry

>>386057753
>resources

Yeah, except money.

>>386048087
Flase flagging shitposter

All came from a neofag thread about how the next mon hun wont be on switch cause sony could not pay capcom full exclusivity so instead paid em to skip switch

People constantly say that this place is Nintengaf, but look at the overwhelming majority shitting on them in this thread. You honestly cant say with a straight face that this place is a Nintendo hugbox.

>>386070186
>you're not allowed to laugh at some poor idiot's theory
nah fuck you

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>>386069898

>>386070186
Try and make the same thread but in reverse.

>>386069776

One game. The rest didn't sell nearly as well as the ones on 3DS or Wii. Ever since the series moved to Nintendo, it's sold so much more. These figures in comparison to Nintendo's are embarrassing.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/1407/monster-hunter/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/3835/monster-hunter-2/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/3838/monster-hunter-g/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/26681/monster-hunter-tri/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/62700/monster-hunter-tri/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/84734/monster-hunter-4-ultimate/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85569/monster-hunter-x/

>>386070330
Yes, Mario games are fun. What's the problem?

>>386047559
Vae Victus.

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>>386070424
>vgchartz

>>386070516
>What's the problem?
He didn't need such an obnoxious voice.

>>386070516

The problem is he's a brain dead shitposter that just repeats "BING BING WAHOO" without thinking. It's like trying to talk to a 3 year old.

>>386069114
>It didnt happen with Bungie when Sony got the advertisements rights for Destiny so why would it happen now?
Because Street Fighter is an established and considerably more popular franchise that sold 4mil on PS3?
And correct me if I'm wrong don't the community predominantly use consoles at fighting game tournaments?

>True but even if we did have that info W101 sold very poorly even for a Platinum game
I think it's more accurate to say that Bayonetta and Vanquish sold exceptionally well for Platinum games rather than W101 selling badly for one given that W101 is more in line with Platinum's usual numbers.
I mean Transformers: Devastation only had about a .2 over W101 despite the five platforms it was released on. Then there's Anarchy Reigns that sold less.

Basically it's a hard call when it comes to Platinum.

>>386070424
Monster Hunter
2004/3/11
PS2 - 288,559

Monster Hunter G
2005/1/20
PS2 - 237,393
Wii - 236,020

Monster Hunter Portable
2005/12/1
PSP - 1,122,604

Monster Hunter 2(Dos)
2006/2/16
PS2 - 692,228

Monster Hunter Portable 2nd
2007/2/22
PSP - 1,723,187

Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G
2008/3/27
PSP - 4,206,723

Monster Hunter 3(Tri)
2009/8/1
Wii - 1,077,273

Monster Hunter Portable 3rd
2010/12/1
PSP - 4,801,854
PS3 - 441,375

Monster Hunter 3(Tri)G
2011/12/10
3DS - 1,924,664
WiiU - 221,586

Monster Hunter 4
2013/9/14
3DS - 3,556,119

Monster Hunter 4G
2014/10/11
3DS - 2,594,453

Monster Hunter Cross
2015/11/28
3DS - 2,816,712

Monster Hunter Double Cross
2017/3/18
3DS - 1,570,653

Monhan Nikki Poka Poka Airou Mura
2010/8/26
PSP - 583,536

Monhan Nikki Poka Poka Airou Mura G
2011/8/10
PSP - 245,210

Airou Puzzle
2012/7/19
PSP - 10,093

Monhan Nikki Poka Poka Airou Mura DX
2015/9/10
3DS - 112,317

Monster Hunter Stories
2016/10/08
3DS - 297,206

PSP - 11,854,368 (not including spinoffs, 4 games, staggered releases)
3DS - 12,462,601 (not including spinoffs, 5 games, back to back releases )

http://game00.blog.jp/monsterhunter.html

>>386070680

>404 not found

>>386070798
Source is Famitsu. The link was an old link compiling the numbers.

>>386068702
>>THE RUINED THE SERIES IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER ON 3DS
This is never said in a MHW thread.
The 3DS itself is never brought up unless there's someone that mentions it holding the series back.

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>>386060572
MS did co-fund RoTTR to the point where the game would never have been made without it in exchange for a years exclusivity and a financial stake in all versions that released including the Steam and PS4 versions so they would recoup the investment. RoTTR flopped on PS4 but the PC version sold gangbusters so Square was happy enough with the results while MS made back the money they invested and more.

That's how the deals work. Dead Rising 4 on the PS4 may have been cancelled though. No big loss. Fucking leafs.

>>386070906
>This is never said in a MHW thread.
Im pretty people constantly say how XX is more MH than World is

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>>386067858
Hey there Sex Genie. Find that cute boi yet?

>>386071003
The 3ds monhun games are good. The 3ds is awful.

>>386070647
>Because Street Fighter is an established and considerably more popular franchise that sold 4mil on PS3?
Given Capcom situation they wouldnt pass out on the opportunity to make more money out of their IPs by putting them in other systems
>And correct me if I'm wrong don't the community predominantly use consoles at fighting game tournaments?
Yes

>>386071065
You have some issues

>>386071003
At most you'll get something like
>Arts and styles shat on for being too anime
>suddenly anime moves are acceptable for world
And that still happens after the initial mention of the system and game.

It seems more like they're trying to bait out the fans that were looking forward to an XX localization even before the announcement of World.

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>>386071303
Nice try, Sex Genie. But you have some serious issues

>>386057030
>PS4 barely outsold Switch this week despite having DQXI and Switch having no new launches this week
What makes it crazy is that the Switch beat out the regular PS4. Even more amazing is that DQXI pushed more 3DS units off the shelves than PS4 units. It's not that Japs were more interested in the PS4 version but had to settle for the 3DS version, it seems that the 3DS version was a more appealing game.

Isn't it supposed to be more difficult for third parties to work with Nintendo? I know that Tetris game had to be 10$ more expensive on the switch than on the PS4

>>386071389
No seriously, you have some problems if you attack some guy for no reason
>>386071478
Except, the 3DS version is sold like half the price than the PS4 version

>>386070680

Monster Hunter Tri 3DS has sold more than that. This link is old. It's now at 2.79 million. These numbers you posted are amazing. Further proof that the series moving to 3DS was a good choose indeed.

Wow, Sony are being real dicks this generation. First, no cross-play with others, now this.

>>386071887
Japanese numbers only. Read the bottom summary. PSP sales were better.

>>386071197
>Given Capcom situation they wouldnt pass out on the opportunity to make more money out of their IPs by putting them in other systems
True but Capcom hasn't exactly been making sound decisions as of late.
So when given the option of a guaranteed payoff from Sony just for console exclusivity which allows them to sell on PC as well or releasing it for a system that doesn't really have the audience or the number of users to make a good profit from it it's kind of obvious what they'll go for.

>Yes
So it would also double as advertisement for the PS4.

>>386072095
You cant be stupid enough to believe OP are you?

>>386071771
>Isn't it supposed to be more difficult for third parties to work with Nintendo?
Nah, that's what Sega personally went with.

>>386069776
>best selling monster hunter was only on playstation
A Playstation Portable. It's not actually a question of who makes the system, non-portable MH simply doesn't sell nearly as well as portable MH. Being able to play on the go is a huge part of the appeal for Japanese players especially.

I'm not saying I want World to fail or anything, but looking at the past I can't see it doing too hot.

>>386072367
You realise he's most likely going to call you a "Nintenbro" right?

>>386072565
Huh, yearold filters to bro now.
I wonder if Sonygro does the same.

Are you guys retarded? OP doesn't even like Nintendo. He is just false flagging to get a Nintendo hate thread going. Go look up your sources.

>>386073304
Not nygro, but nygger does. It's been that way for a good while now.

>>386047559
Its kind of funny that Nintendo fans are like this. Ever talk to one in person? They are irrational dumbasses most of the time.

>>386073668
I knew that one was filtered but yearold is recent just like Sonygro seeing as both act as replacements.

>>386069098
>you would still have to buy a PS4 anyway to play all of their exclusives
Nobody buys a PS4 to play exclusives. Just look at the sales and pathetic attatch rate. You have your BIG NEW SONY GAME in Horizon Zero Triggered SJWs, and with 63 million consoles sold the game barely cracks 3million and is already outsold by BotW.

It's just FIFA, COD, Madden, mom and dad's Netflix box and timmy's pornhub box. Only /v/ pretends Sony exclusives are popular.

>>386072565
i only call respectable nintendofans bro
i call the ones that defend everything nintendo does wrong nintenbros and the ones that defend everything about switch and nintendo switchcucks

>>386055176
he said in japan retard, even if you add vita they cant compete with 3ds alone

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>>386074358
>i only call respectable nintendofans bro
>i call the ones that defend everything nintendo does wrong nintenbros and the ones that defend everything about switch and nintendo switchcucks

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>>386074173
You know your post would've made sense if you read the thread and see that PS4 attach rate is better than 3DS and WiiU
>You have your BIG NEW SONY GAME in Horizon Zero Triggered SJWs, and with 63 million consoles sold the game barely cracks 3million and is already outsold by BotW
Given a new IP by a no-name studio manages to sell pretty much as Zelda either tells that Sony is very good or Zelda is not that big of a name anymore, also i like how you call that game SJW yet you're the only triggered here lol

>>386074640
Not him but
>that PS4 attach rate is better than 3DS and WiiU
That's solely because of the sheer amount of games available on the system, if you check the individual sales the usual CoDs, GTAs and Fifas are the only games that do exceptionally well while the others tend to do numbers below other systems unless it's a bundled game.

>Given a new IP by a no-name studio manages to sell pretty much as Zelda
Horizon is about 2 mil behind Zelda anon despite releasing first and having a price drop.