>grinding is necessary to compete this This is what SMTards

That's not DDS you dumb fuck.

Nocturne is all about fusing, the encounter rates should level you up natural so you are always on a steady level and thus all you do is fuse for skills.

>>386041450
This is bait but
>grinding in mainline SMT
>ever

>>386041450
Only if you play on hard

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>>386041450
>SMT
>grinding
Bufflets should go back to Final Fantasy

>>386043851
the only time I ever had to grind on hard was my first playthrough when I built my entire team around phys and got stonewalled by gririmekalha, so I had to take a little bit getting some decent magic stuff

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>>386041450
>grinding
>JRPG
How to spot a shitter. You don't need to grind in any video game, let alone a turn-based one

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Not OP here, I'm in the Labyrinth of Amala right now. When do I get another Amala Save Link and a Compendium for Demons?

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Show me a better fiend bro than this. I dare you

>>386041450
>Grinding
>In Nocturne

What?

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>>386044540

>>386044765
Does he have infinite mana and a spell that completely heals the whole party and cures any ailments?

>>386041450
If you're struggling at any point, you need to go away and figure out what demons you need and either fuse or recruit them.
Or change magatama and AT best grind for one level (but only to gain that skill, not for any stat boosts)

Grinding will get you nowhere in this game

>>386041450
If you're grinding in an SMT game you're doing it wrong

>>386041594
This. The reason the game is hard for newcomers is they don't know what skills they need and how to get them, not grinding.

>>386044537
You don't if you're going searching through it. If you were warped there for the first time, leave through the door behind you.

>>386041450
There's no necessary grinding, the only major default this game has is the fact that getting the right skills while fusing is a pain in the ass and can take forever

is it bad that I grinded in SJ so I could level up a demon and get their stone to use it for a fusion?

>>386045969
This.
DDS did it much better.

>>386046134
Wrong, DDS did it the worst because it's the only MegaTen game where you have to actually grind because instead of just fusing for a demon with the skills you need you need to equip the mantra and then get enough experience to get the skill.

>>386046134
>tummy ache: the game
>lol a bazillion macca mantras
Fuck DDS.

>>386046219
You dont need to grind if you plan ahead for what each character will learn and then just devour whenever you can.
You wont get all the skills in the game in one run, but you'll get what you need to finish the game

>>386041450
Every Jrpg needs grinding.

>>386043982
SJ and IV:A require you to grind for the endgame

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>>386046416
It's worse in 2
>you want to make a specific build?
>hope you like wasting level ups learning a skill you don't want

>>386046538
Name five (5)

>>386046724
every dragon quest game

>>386046463
>You dont need to grind if you plan ahead for what each character will learn and then just devour

Yeah but that branches out you dumb fuck, you think there is only elements skills to grind for? Do you even take in to consideration when your party members fuck off and then you gotta have grinded your back ups? If i want character to have the same skill and the other character i gotta grind it for him unlike SMT.

>>386046664
No they don't. Final especially since YHVH gets btfo by imposing stance.

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>>386047064
Do explain how you can beat this boss without grinding, even with grinding she's a nightmare.
>Instant kill ability that nullifies all resistances
>Can banish demons based on alignments

>>386046976
>party member fucks off
DDS 2 had the worse case of this. I'm surprised I beat the game considering it felt like I built some people wrong

>>386046463
>You dont need to grind if you plan ahead for what each character will learn and then just devour whenever you can

Are you some kind of clairvoyant?
Grinding for skills is still grinding no matter how you well you telegraph everyone's skill trees. Not to mention you have no clue what to grind for until you scope the area for respective demons

>>386047175
I gave up at the final dungeon for 2.

There was no titania hallways to grind quickly so I'm not gonna bother.

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>>386047336
Good choice. Both games suffer from having an annoying boss before the final, piss-easy boss.

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>>386041594
>>386042083
>>386043982
>>386044123
>>386044736
>>386045042
>>386045210
>>386045969
>game objectively has grinding
>n-no! you're just retarded

you're all brainlets

>>386047173
I beat her at level 70s with Pale Rider and a shitty Thor doing damage while Quezacoatl full healed the entire party. I threw out sick IPS.
Then I beat her again after resetting and finding out about NG+, so I grinded for the items and made a team that wasn't shit.

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>>386044956
Dai is overrated as fuck. Prayer is overkill early game and later on he'll have trash skills because you fused him early.
The real king of the fiends is Red Rider. 2 immunities+fiend immunities, awesome skills and can be taken to endgame with zero problems. Only thing Dai has over him is a better laugh

>>386047801
>objectively
lol

>>386047173
High agi demons plus never raising buffs and debuffs above 2.

Been playing nocturne with this mod and I've been having a blast.

Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne - Hardtype
Introducing Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne - Hardtype! This is a hack of the original game designed with several primary goals in mind:

1) Rebalance many aspects of the original game.
2) Create a gameplay experience that is challenging to veterans of the SMT series.
3) Add in some fresh new enemies and skills to revitalize the gameplay experience.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3299/

>>386048073
Does emulating Nocturne still have the fucked up shadow problem?

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>>386045925
Oh okay, I just assumed I had to go forward and do the Labyrinth puzzle stuff

>>386044123
>tfw as a kid would autistically grind until I could kill something in a single hit because I thought the MC should be cool enough to one shot enemies
>would view all other characters as trash besides the anime MC
I was a weird child

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>>386048457
nah, come back to it later when you have some good demons.

>>386047989
I fused Dai at the earliest opportunity (Obelisk) and he never left my party after that point. Then again, that's probably because he was my buff distributor.

>>386048741
Cool, I wasn't getting my ass kicked in there but it was draining my resources like Uzume's Media skill and my Life Stones

>>386048923
That's what I mean.

>>386048787
It still sucks if you want debilitate on him. I think my final healer/utility demon was uriel

>>386048393

Had to mess with some settings but i managed to fix the see through shit bug. Gotta remember how I did it.

>>386041594
I had to grind for matador for the buff moves

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Which SMT should i play after im done with Nocturne?

>>386051126
Play PS2 Era ones like DDS and Raidou
or go straight to IV/IV:A/SJ
Maybe even try older mainline

>>386046020
Assuming you looked up a guide to see what skills the demon sources contained, yes, that's bad

>>386051534
no, I just wanted the demon source of an Oni so I could fuse it with another demon to make that demon that looks like a samurai

>>386041450
You're just garbage.
>>386048073
I've tried this too, been pretty good so far almost at matador.

I've only played IV, DDS or nocturne next?

>>386052316
Nocturne then DDS

>>386044540
Trumpeter
>1 mp to fully heal a party member
>Heavy fire, ice, electric, force dmg to all enemies skills
>Dekaja
>Megidolaon
>1 mp to kill an enemy

>>386052547
You forgot that
>1mp can heal your enemy too

>>386041450
Only time you really need to grind is probably if you want freikugel

>>386052794
or you are like me and put not enough points into LU and want to do the Black Visor quest

How hard it is to get the true ending in Nocturne?
I havent really liked any reason so far

>>386053113
not hard at all. Just do Labrynth before entering the Kagutsuchi tower, keep pierce, focus and get Freikugel. Get Maskados Magatama as well.

>>386041450
no you just need to have a perfect team

>>386052794
Or all the magatamas in general. Overusing the compendium is a good way to go straight to the poorhouse too

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Just finished Bootes, what the actual fuck is this guy's problem?

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>>386054364
He's the relatively well adjusted one. You'll be wondering what this bitches problem is later

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Oh great, Madara is leaking into vidya now.

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Quick question. I'm playing IV for the first time and struggling on these three star challenge quests, when do I get demons with buffs znd debuffs? It seems weird but I haven't encountered any yet. I tried doing the egg and dragon at the lake quest and got my ass handed to me.

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>>386054939
man those are some nice demons. Which SMT is this?

>>386041450
>SMT
>Difficult
>buff and weakness hit
>literally gets easier as you play because demons selection is better and MC gets broken
>Press turn is broken in your favour 90% of the time
This difficulty of the series is usually overrated because they compare it to the Persona off branch.

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>>386041450
>This is what SMTards mean when they say these games are difficult.

Generally SMT are difficult for the wrong reasons.

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>>386044123
>You don't need to grind in any video game, let alone a turn-based one

This is a straight up lie. Even in more popular ones like DQ8 grinding is pretty much mandatory at points.

>>386056620
Its probably because people are used to Final Fantasy, where you can win any battle with just normal attacks and a healing spell

>>386056620
SMT games are generally poorly balanced and have random difficulty spikes.
Can't remember the worst ones in SMT4, but I think they were Minotaur and Medusa.

>>386057027
It's only the popular ones like 6 that encourage that. Try that in 5 and liquid flame will push your shit in

>>386047173
On my second playthrough I got to mem aleph at level 63, she was unbeatable. The only ways to win are to level up or use password demons from elsewhere (you can't even make the password demons yourself since you aren't a high enough level to get reflect sources)

>>386057024
I finished DQ3, DQ5, and DQ8 and I never had to grind for those. The only grinding was against some optional bosses.

>>386057667
>I finished DQ3, DQ5, and DQ8 and I never had to grind for those.

You must have poor memory or you fucked around a lot (which basically gave you the same result as grinding).
For example, rushing through 8 is not possible. Even just Dhoulmagus will fuck you up if you never spend time building up your characters.

>>386041594
what about hard mode. I cant beat matador

>>386048059
>High agi demons plus never raising buffs and debuffs above 2.
It's 3, right?
Besides you do need to think before hand about sources.
Unless it's NG+
Or Passwords
>>386047173
Unless luck and prep, you don't really, you need to at least get to late 70's-mid 80s for those good demons of each alignment. Luckily MC gets a good almighty weapon.
I hope they don't fix Mem Aleph, don't trust them to not fuck it up and make it easier thana smoother curve.

>>386057996
If you're a high enough level then fuse a pixie and an angel. Then get a nozuchi for defense buffing and stall all his mp out
If you still can't do that then you suck

Ive always wanted to pick this back up but have been torn since I hate games where you have to build a certain way otherwise its a grind fest. Also those skills that you can overwrite and lose forever. Am I supposed to go in already planned on how im going to build my character?

>>386058136
maybe i do, he wasn't that bad on normal but this sucks on hard. Can't even really grind for money cause just healing my demons costs almost as much as i make killing shit.

>>386057880
Exploring is not the same as grinding. Grinding is running back and forth in certain areas to reach a stat benchmark.

>>386058492
>Exploring is not the same as grinding. Grinding is running back and forth in certain areas to reach a stat benchmark.

Do you even listen to yourself? You have to do a lot of non-optional fighting in order to proceed. If you try and progress through the story you will get fucked.

If "exploring" consisted of running around collecting useless feathers and getting in tons of fights that changes fuck all.

>>386058760
just kys. Leave my board normie

>>386058760
Playing the game is literally different from grinding. I have never went from point A to B in DQ8 so I don't know how much possibly harder it could be.

>>386059257
>Playing the game is literally different from grinding

The game gatekeeps you from proceeding until you've reached a certain level and/or gear req.