Why is FF4 so beloved? Shit story. Shit main villain. Temporary

>>386035058
Ah, this is bait I see

>>386035058
(You)

>>386035058
I felt like it was one of the only times ATB was used well as characters had drastically varying speed stats

>>386035058
>Shit story.
On par with the rest of the franchise then?
>Shit main villain.
At least it's not a LOL-SO-RANDOM clown
>Temporary worthless party members.
Shit opinion

1/10 bait

>>386035058
Babby's first JRPG I guess, so nostalgia.

/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way. It dictates every step of the way who is or isn't in your party and there are basically zero options to upgrading the characters forced upon you. It's a terrible RPG and Square's first attempt at being "cinematic" before it was really a thing.

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>>386036268
>/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way
Nope. You literally cannot say this in earnest. Just look at FF13's maps. At least in FF4 you can go into towns, talk to npcs and other things you'd find in a typical rpg.

>>386037063
So what good does that do? You're still railroaded along just to fit the story. It's only an illusion of freedom.

>>386036268
>/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way
Incorrect, try again

>>386037172
So the whole series except FF6 world of ruin then?

>>386037467
No because in FF2 and 3 at least you can customize your team's builds, and 1 you can but only at the start. FF5 is balls to the walls customization. FF4 let you do nothing except equip a sword and armor.

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Classic soundtrack

Shit battle system, but probably due to it being the first use of ATB.

So many random encounters were much more deadly than boss fights.

>>386035058
>Temporary worthless party members.

Play the Super Famicom version (not SNES).

What version should I play?

>>386039980
DS and PSP are popular versions

>>386036268
>/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way.

holy shit could you prove you haven't played the game any harder

>>386039980
ds is the definitive version (also the most challenging)

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>>386040061
He hated on my nigga Tellah, he is nothing but a faggot anon. This isn't even his first thread

>>386035058
>please reply to me

Okay, but only because I'm a nice guy.

>>386036268
>/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way.
4 is pretty straightforward in character builds and where you need to go but at least it let you putz about the world in an airship and even stumble into dungeons way before you're supposed to be there. FF doesn't exactly have a lot of titles with a huge deal of player freedom (especially in how they tackle the story), but "these people are gonna be in your party and you have to make your way to kill this baddie" is fucking MILES away from "The Tube".

>>386039980

GBA, PSP or the DS version

avoid the SNES original unless playing in japanese as the translation is ass

>>386040093
That would be PSP. DS fucks things sideways with that poorly implented augment system.

>>386035058
all ff games are shit
only an idiot would enjoy them

>>386035934
>LOL-SO-RANDOM clown
You mean an insane villain that kills people and actually manages to take over the world for a while. He's not LOLRANDUM at any point in the story.

>>386040227
The augment system was sloppy but it was fun

>>386040208

Not only the translation is ass, there's a lot of missing content gameplay-wise.

>>386035058
>Shit story.
Yes
>Shit main villain.
Golbez is good but undermined by Zemus' existance
>Temporary worthless party members.
It's shitty that they're are temporary yes but the characters themselves albeit underdeveloped due to the time

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>>386038673
>When the DS version cranked this scene all the way up to 11

>>386035058
Most iconic SNES FF

its currently too old to be favorably compared to modern jrpgs, or even ones from 10 years ago

but at the time the fidelity increases between nes and SNES was unreal, it was much greater than the small differences in graphics and sound you see between console generations now

and it still has beautiful music if you are young enough to enjoy that innocently

>>386040552
this was a marked improvement, it adds a little definition to what she became later as well, hanging out with monster gods and telling princes to fuck off

one of the most alpha ff side characters now that I think about it

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>>386040894
>princes
>plural

I love the fact that she got away with it multiple times.

VI and IX are loved a lot more than IV

Best music no contest. Not even VI compares.

>>386041308
>VI and IX are loved a lot more than IV
>IX
>loved more than IV
Nope, VI is even debatable.

The game is pretty balanced and never really feels like a slog to play. I realize how easy many of the bosses are, which was remedied in the DS version along with better dialogue, but of course they had to make the game 3D with a style that's already dated

>>386035058
Shit protagonist who cries himself to sleep about everything, no customization ever and story prioritized over gameplay, which is alone a huge problem and is the basis for later non-games like FFXIII. I don't know why people love this piece of hot garbage but, judging from this thread, among many, addressing the issue is a moot point.

>>386041308
>VI and IX
>loved
Bullshit, Japan fucking loves FF4 and 7.

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>Shit main villain

What Golbez lacks in characterization he makes up for in pure style.

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>>386041596
Golbez was great. There's a reason he's still popular

>>386035058
Well, everything you said is subjective.
You provided no evidence to back your claims.

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>Temporary worthless party members
As opposed to permanent worthless party members.

>>386041739
I hope Vaan isn't your example

>>386041308
You might have a point with 6, but 9 is arguable at best. 4 being a jump straight from 1 on the NES to likely one of the first SNES jrpg's western audiences played definitely gives it a bigger impact and nostalgia factor than "oh yeah I guess that happened somewhere near the end of the PSX era".

>>386041739
>worthless party members
>in a game with job systems and license boards

you just went full retard

If it wasn’t FFIV I’d fight you over it, but luckily it’s not, so I’ll be over here playing VII and Tactics and waiting to see if you wanna attack one of the good ones

>>386042628
The fact that you think IV isn't good shows you're either a child or just filled with shit taste.

>>386042628
>FF7
Overrated linear trash that got milked to death by SE.

>Tactics
Overrated shit game with meme lore and a shitty fanbase who will never play the superior sequels.

>Oh shit X character sacrificed himself and is fucking dead!
>LOL just kidding, he's fine!
>(repeat 6 times)

>Fuck Kain got mind controlled for the 10th time! Who could have imagined it?

>Everyone is fucking mind controlled!

Rarely I have played a plot driven game with writing worse than FFIV.

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>>386035058
FF4 is about as basic as it gets. It's the most plain FF game together with the first one, but at least the first one lets you customize your party.

It's one of the few RPGs where "grindy" is a legit description, because the lack of choice just gets you walled by the final boss. If FF5 had the same final boss, there would be so many ways you could tackle it, but in FF4 you're just completely fucked. It's a tense fight and the music is great, but it's completely devoid of imagination.

>>386041596
>>386041640
I loved his dissidia voice

>>386042852
>>Oh shit X character sacrificed himself and is fucking dead!
>>LOL just kidding, he's fine!
>>(repeat 6 times)
literally happens all at once in the end before the moon

>>386043228
The man has just been generalizing the entire games plot for the sake of shit posting I don't see what you get out of proving him wrong.

>>386041596
>>386041640
Next Dissidia character

>>386044203
Gonna main him for sure

>It's a /v/ judges a 20 years old game using modern standards without realizing that the game was actually revolutionary and came up and started a ton of the things that are standard for genre back when it was first released episode

>>386043228
Yang
Palom and Porom
Cid
Ridya and Edward sacrifice themselves but they still have a faked death.
That's already the majority of the playable characters.
>>386043689
No need to defend objectively shit writing friend.

>>386044339
>objectively
There's that word again.

>>386040552
It's a shame that flashcarts hurt sales toward the end of the DS' lifetime while smartphones were starting to be capable of games when the 3DS was coming out.

Would have been great to have FFV and FFVI the same style.

>>386044339
*don't sacrifice themselves

>>386035058
I love it to death but yeah, the story is pretty bad and there's not much replay value because there's no party customization. DS gives you some customization through augments along with a pretty good dub, and GBA lets you reuse old characters. Flawed as it is, though, it will always be close to my heart. Music is great.

>>386044321
I wonder how many people in this thread don't know that chrono trigger invented game saves having readable names that pertain to where you are in the narrative?

They just don't realize that the world didn't spring forth fully formed, everything that we use now it stuff that was primarily invented pretty recently, with the really useful stuff appearing in the 50s, not that long ago

I guess they don't want to see this, because that would remind them that life is actually pretty short, and stuff happens quickly

>>386044775
There's a difference between "revolutionary" and "good"

>>386044917
Revolutionary is above good in the quality scale, if you weren't aware

>>386044917
>Why is FF4 so beloved?
>Well, it was quite revolutionary for it's time for X and Y and other plethora of things
>HURR WHO CARES IS STILL BAD
Quality /v/ discussion

>>386044917
I'm not sure whether you're agreeing, disagreeing, or just saying something unrelated

the topic is whether ff4 can be fairly judged by a modern standard, which it obviously cannot be

the fact that it's even playable and somewhat diverting 20 years later is almost hard to believe, that makes it comparable to literature on a cultural scale

FF5>>>>FF4

>>386044987
Not really. A decent Toyota is better than a Ford from 1920.

>>386035058
I agree OP. Played everygame in the series and I rank IV near the bottom with XII and II's God awful MP farming.

Everbody constantly is dieing and getting "miravulously" saved. I was waiting for an asspull to revive Tellah.

0 customization in the original version, almost none in half the new version (the extra party members bring almost nothing to the table)

The same problem as the last 3 games that theres a "secret" asspull villian at the end, but at least this one is worked into the plot better than II or III. (II is technically still the emperor at least).

I found almost nothing redeeming in IV. Even the "awesome" paladin moment feels flat since you get nerfed back to level 1 and lose a good damage attack.

>>386045039
>Not really.
Yes really, you sure you're judging it correctly?

>ynr that steam port

>>386044321
FFV, DQIII, IV and V and dozens of others hold up perfectly without the need to make up excuses for them like for FFIV.
Just accept that the game is shit.

>>386044203
Nah, it'll be CoD or Jecht since we have Kain and there's no FF8 stage

>>386045291
IV doesn't need any excuses. I think it's more like you should accept that your biases make it impossible for you to actually discuss ti.

>>386045028
God, what.
What the fuck.
Literature from 20, 200 and 2000 years ago can still bring as much enjoyment as they did those respective years ago.
FF4 is mildly entertaining. It's not an Iliad of JRPGs. It's a book from German flea market of 15th century, something like the original Tale of Faust. It has a lot of historical value but not a lot of enjoyment or artistry.

>>386040061
Nigga, have YOU played the game? I try to go out of my way as much as possible, and up until the final few airships all you can reah are dead ends on the world map. Woo, so exciting.

I never realized before replaying them all how often the series walls you in, in literally every game but II, until the late game.

II kind of still has walls, theyre just soft walls of death rather than hard limits.

>>386045291
FFIV holds up perfectly as well too. It doesn't need any excuses, that the game keeps getting remakes up the ass 20 years later is proof of that. If you do not like it then that's your problem.

>>386044321
>It was good at the time!
Most FFs are still good now.

>>386036268
you do know that the gba and psp versions fixed this right?

>>386045093
cecil and his fucked up family of mongrels were the villains of the story

only the blonde haired pureblood human kain managed to save the world and extricate himself from that compromise, with the help of other pureblood humans and his dark skinned dwarven servants

out of respect for rosa he allowed her to live a natural life, but her royal 'family' was exterminated soon after her death, the earth was truly saved on that day

>>386045473
I wonder who's behind this post

>>386045473
Reminder that Kain is a 40 years old virgin.

Honestly, Dissidia treated Kain with more respect than IV ever did.

Was FF4 notable purely because it attempted a story that wasn't extremely straightforward at the time? In the sense that it broke fresh ground for videogames, but would be considered pretty unremarkable in any other medium.

All I remember of what I played was the spoony bard.

>>386035058
Make a better one if you are so great.

>>386045473
>Kain got cucked by a cuck who got cucked all his life

>>386045696
What?

>>386045597
You'd think that being a dragoon (aka the coolest shit in Final Fantasy) would get him some bitches pretty easily.

>>386045885
He was on a quest to save the world. Not get pussy.

>>386035058

Cool music, my favorite FF character designs, the only FF game with memorable boss fights, good pacing, combat is simple but quick feedback makes it very satisfying. Decent story but it's a fun ride even if it's a bit cartoonish

You're entitled to your opinion but it's a waste of energy to get mad at people for liking a game you don't.

>>386045919
Kain spends half the game trying to get into Rosa's pussy.

>>386045992
Yeah but not of his own volition

>>386045990
There are no memorable bosses in IV. Maybe Cagnazzo if you're scraping.

>>386035058
The DS version must be pretty good because I played the psp and snes versions and while this game wasn't horrible, it was a pretty mediocre game in all fronts.
Outside of II, XIII, & XV, I had more fun with every other FF game. The only ones I didn't beat yet are III & XII.

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>>386046024
>not of his own volition

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>>386046084
>There are no memorable bosses in IV.
wow stop posting anytime

>>386045381
>FF4 is mildly entertaining. It's not an Iliad of JRPGs. It's a book from German flea market of 15th century, something like the original Tale of Faust. It has a lot of historical value but not a lot of enjoyment or artistry.

Enjoying putting your lit degree to work on 4chan?

>>386046084
Now this is some terrible bait.

>>386046243
At least post an actual one like Rubicante

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Cecil is shit and loses character progression after becoming a paladin and just says "..." for the rest of the game
supporting cast is p good tho
TALK TO YOUR BROTHER YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

Is it pronounced Sesil or seesil?

>>386046459

yes

>>386045093
Meant to say XIII at the bottom with II.

I fucking love XII

>>386046459
see sil

Rydia is best girl

one more thing, the ending theme of 4 is the best of the square music to me

even better than the best of seiken 3 or mario rpg

the game is not just over, but the events of the game can no longer exist in any form because the main family is being split up forever, most of the kingdoms of the world are in ruins, and everyone is returning to an isolated life. It felt 'cold' for an ending, and it was somehow right

>>386046257
?
>>>386045028
>that makes it comparable to literature on a cultural scale
If you want to talk about literature or cultural scale, be ready for someone to answer. You also don't need a degree in literature to know about Faust and Iliad, anon. You just a desire to learn above that of a dead dog on a side of the road.

>>386046561
>rydia
was that actually her name or a bad jap translation?

>>386046459
Cecil ?

>>386041596
I absolutely love whatever class/job Golbez belongs in. He's got the armor of a knight, the height of a giant and the magic of a wizard. To top it off, he summons a death dragon.

>>386046740
His job class is unique it's just "lunarian"

>>386046630
that wasn't my response

and im still talking about how much this game affected video games as a complete culture, along with its contemporaries, dq4 and 5

the effect was massive and many people simply don't have the experience to acknowledge that

>>386046630

You don't need a degree to know about them but if you're going to casually drop a Faust reference in a conversation about a fucking super nintendo jarp then I guarantee that you do.

>>386044371
Different Anon

Killing, but not killing, almost every character in the game on seperate occasions is definitely something that should be considered objectively bad writing, if any objective writing standard could exist.

You can only pull the same "twist" so many times before its shit.

>>386046832
Video games need more lunarians

>>386047268
Red Mages are Lunarian-lite

>>386044987
Source on this "quality scale" please

>>386047353
impact on the genre. Good games impact it a little bit. Revolutionary games impact it for decades

>>386045031
This Anon speaks truth. FFV is better in every way

>>386047194

Personally I had a lot of fun watching all of that unfold, I think it happened so many times that the story brought itself back around to being entertaining by virtue of its own absurdity

As a rule, joyless self-appointed critics can go fuck themselves

>>386041739
Like Edge, Rosa and Kain?

So how is The After Years?

>>386047815
7.5/10

>>386042852
This, and if someone wasn't mind controlled, then they were a monster in disguise.
Final Fantasy II had much better writing.

>>386046936
>the post I respond to talks about literature
>I name 2 (two) world-famous literature pieces as examples
>hurr durr lit degree
Quality of discussion on /v/
I have a degree in movies, anon, so you can do a playstation joke at least

>>386046108
The phone port of III is decent. It's a port of the DS game that cuts out needing to send messages in order to unlock the endgame job-specific gear.

>>386044321
Every one of FF4's issues had been handled better by the previous ones. Just because you didn't play them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Any fun builds I can make in this game?

Can I turn Rosa into a Ranged Paladin?

>>386045990
>Only FF game with memorable boss fights
>Implying any IV boss is more memorable than Gilgamesh

Wut? How many Final Fantasy games have you actually played?

>>386048195
>liking II and III more than IV

kyaaaa!!! his contrarian-jutsu is too strong!

>>386048841
I-IX to completion, Tactics, Tactics Advance & A2, Adventure (I know it's a Mana game but idgaf), Crystal Chronicles, a year of Brave Exvius, Theatrhythm, both Dissidias on PSP, Type-0, Crisis Core, Dimensions

I guess the answer is "enough"?

>>386046459
Ses-ill like William and Robert Cecil.

>>386048841
Not the other guy, but I remember:

FF1
>The Four Archfiends Lich, Malekith, Kraken and Tiamat
>Warmech
>Chaos

FF2
>The fat pirate guy
>Behemoth
>Emperor
>Iron Golem

FF3
>Hein
>Garuda
>Xande
>Ahriman
>Cerberus
>Two-headed Dragon
>Echidna
>Cloud of Darkness

And I am starting my FF4 playthrough next after I beat Iron Golem in FF3 and finish DQ3.

>>386047428
>Games with a greater impact on the genre are somehow more enjoyable

What? Am I the only on that plays games for fun? And judges them by how fun they are?

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>>386047665
M8, you can be absurd and have it actually improve the quality without beating a dead horse to dust.

>>386049558
BUT WAIT
The powderized horse is actually 100% fine like nothing ever happened!

>>386049063
Then if you really cant remember a single other boss than those from IV, you have shit memory brah

>>386049558
>>386049721

You can save your time if you think you're trying to tell me something about this particular game or storytelling in general that I don't already know. It's not particularly important to me for a game's story to be 'good' by any objective merits as long as I'm still entertained by it. Stories like Kingdom Hearts or Attack on Titan are the verbal equivalent of a brain tumor , but I'm no less enthralled for it because the ride is a blast all the same. FF4 is a good deal more predictable than those stories, largely by virtue of not literally being improvised as they went, but I find the camp incredibly endearing all the same.

>>386050016
Next time I play a game that has bosses that I don't consider particularly noteworthy, I'll be sure to memorize everything about them in the off-chance i encounter another person like you who seems to have infinite time and patience to explain to me why I enjoyed the game badly

>>386037587
You put way too much emphasis on customization, which doesn't make an RPG like you think it does. FFIV's party changes up often, forcing you to try new tactics as you go along. It's the job system organically integrated into the story, which I prefer to everyone being a skin for the same generic cut-out.

>>386050625

5 also has the same problem as a lot of customization-heavy FF games like Tactics and Bravely Default where nothing in the game is difficult enough to warrant actually caring about all of the different builds you can have unless you're interested in self-imposed challenges.

>>386044339
>Yang
He was saved by Slyphs.
>Palom and Porom
They were never dead.
>Cid
Okay, I completely agree this one was bullshit
>Ridya and Edward sacrifice themselves but they still have a faked death.
Getting dragged into the sea in a fantasy RPG makes them MIA, not dead.

>>386050596
Theres no way youve played that many Final Fantasy games without finding at least one other boss enjoyable. My only point is saying "IV has the ONLY memorable bosses" is utter bullshit. I dont care whether you enjoyed the games themselves or not.

>Complaining about someone having time to shitpost while continuing to shitpost
Poetry

>>386051094
And every single one of these was treated like a heartbreaking death sequence only to be retconed just a bit later. It is bullshit of the highest caliber.

>>386051738
Agreed. "Death" or even anything remotely bad lost all weight

>>386051094
>He was saved by Slyphs.
How does this make any sense at all?

>>386045990
I wouldnt say only memorable bosses, but it definitely has some of the most involved fights in the series. Almost every boss requires a strategy beyond beating the shit out of it until it dies. That's pretty amazing for a game from 1191.

>>386049269
None of those really required anything beyond attacking and casting your strongest spells.

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>>386035058
I thought the story was fine and Golbez was fine (though Zeromus sucked). I disliked FF4 for the gameplay, it felt like a big step back from FF3j by removing the job system and locking control over your party behind story events. FF6 did a similar thing but I felt like its party members were a lot more versatile and it was only during certain points that you were locked, with a lot of the game letting you pick and choose from any available party members. I hear the GBA and DS versions of FF4 let you pick your party toward the end of the game though so maybe those versions are better than the SNES version I played.

>>386050909
The way I see it, those systems are designed to be comfy if you want to enjoy the story, and add to replay value.

In FFV, optional bosses are hard, and the redux versions require total dedication to the systems. I think FFT is hard if you don't give thought to what you're doing.

>>386052153
I don't think you've played III, you ginormous pleb.

>>386051094
>They were never dead.
They turned themselves to stone, Tellah tried turning it back, and he said they couldn't be turned back because they did it to themselves.
Then later on they're suddenly turned back from stone for no reason. They had a wizard with them but what did that wizard have that Tellah didn't have that let him succeed?

>>386052153
>None of those really required anything beyond attacking and casting your strongest spells.
>Garuda

>>386052448
>Hein
>Scan
>Attack
>Rinse and repeat
>Win

>Garuda
>Dragoon
>Dragoon
>Dragoon
>Dragoon
>Win

>Everyone else
>Ninja
>Ninja
>Sage
>Sage
>Win

>>386053040
You literally just make everyone a Dragoon before hand.

>>386052375
I'm not sure about the GBA and DS versions, but in the PSP one you could swap out party members towards the end.

>>386052375
Swapping is only available at the very end when you get the last airship.

And even then, Id say it sucks. Unlike VI where theres a lot of unique abilities tied to extra members, the extra members in IV have shit to bring to the table. Twincast. Analyze. Hide.

I found it good for if you want to double up on mages, at least.

>>386053159
>Ninja
>Ninja
>Sage
>Sage
Why do retards keep meming up the shittest team combination ever?

>>386052375
>I hear the GBA and DS versions of FF4 let you pick your party toward the end of the game though so maybe those versions are better than the SNES version I played.
Its a fun until you realize how much the final dungeon is completely geared toward the original five.

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>>386035058
Because mentioning TAY triggers fanboys. Reminder, this guy is responsible for EVERY FF antagonist ever.

>>386053519
Because not everyone played the DS version.

I think I-IX are all great if you understand what you're playing and appreciate their accomplishments as well as their "tangible" value.

I-III: Took the Dragon Quest template and demonstrated how flexible it could be. We kind of owe the genre to these games.

IV-VI: Games can be fun to play and fun to watch while also having memorable stories.

VII-IX: Games can be as visual and complex as any other storytelling medium.

X+: At this point, the genre and games had matured a lot. I don't think the series really "important" anymore.

>>386052443
Shinyru, yes.

Omega, no. Romeos Ballad makes both versions easy to cheese, not even counting that you can 1 shot the original.

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>>386053519
I heard they got nerfed in the DS remake but they really were the most OP combination in the NES original. Ninja has like the highest DPS of any physical character and Sages can learn any and all magic.

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>>386050909
>Unless you're interested in self-imposed challenges

Which is why Four Job Fiesta is so goddamn fun. How many runs have you guys completed?

>>386053491
>>386052375
Also, its only for PSP and (I think) GBA.

DS has a system of "augments" that let you give the standard party different abilities, but theres no swapping

>>386053040
>Garuda
>make 4 Dragoons
>Jump
>Jump
>Jump
>Jump

It's even easier on the Famicom version (often known in the early days of emulation circles as FF3j since you insist on turning this into a dick measuring contest) because bosses only get 1 action per turn and it will almost always miss you .

>>386053775
No he isn't, stop spreading dumb bullshit.

>>386053775
How so? Never finished The After Years.

>>386040010
>Not playing the PlayStation 1 version

So much bad taste in one post, ugh.

>>386053259
>>386054231
Isn't needing to fix up your party before a fight a strategy?
FF3 has multiple areas/bosses that require you to set up your party a certain way to stand a chance, like that dungeon that requires you be mini and all physical attacks do nearly 0 damage so everyone has to go mage, or the boss that changes up their weaknesses so you need to equip a scholar to consistently deal damage.

>>386053775
Your post is a lie

>>386054324
He created the crystals and sent them out to various planets in order to put evolution into fast forward because he was bored of waiting for a suitable planet for his species to take root. So every time a crystal is mentioned in some fashion in FF lore, you can thank him for it.

It's a first for a lot of people

DS is some genuinely dope shit though

>>386054791
anon.. easy on headcanon

>>386053874
I died to omega a few times. I didn't look up OP strats on google though.

>FF3 DS
>Bard is overpowered as fuck

>>386041739
You know Vaan has the best natural stats in the game, right? And that Fran has the worst?

>>386054791
That is not compatible with a bunch of the games, where the origins of the crystals are explained, so I don't think fans need to get too worked up about it.

>>386055079
>Not just using a bard/sing because Romeos Ballad works on almost everything in the game
Plus its fun to wreck undead with Requiem

Why do spergos think a game is trivially easy just because you can google a winning strat? The appeal of JRPGs is in using your head to do something with limited tools.

>>386054791
>Claiming one FF's lore has anything to do with any other game
Fuck, is this IV's version of Shinra fags?

>>386054487
The issue is most of these battles become "choose the correct job classes or die painfully". And the game either tells you outright (mini dungeon and Hein) or strongly hints (chests with new lances and a shop that only sells lances).

Im not saying FF4 is some masterpiece in strategy, but the boss fights are consistently keeping the player to keep on their toes and forcing them to use every characters strength without resorting to the "do as I say or die" that FFIII falls victim to.

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>>386054079
three
WM TM Bard Sam
Knight MK Geo Chem
Thief Zerker Beast Dragoon (pure pain)

I tried a chaos run this year, but it was boring because freelancers and samurais

>>386035058
The time it came out.

There were better RPGs, but they were niche (Japan) or didn't even get exported (US and Europe). As such it was important and extremely influential. People overlook its flaws because of this.

>>386041596
We don't talk about Golbez, he was just merely the pawn of a literal who Zemus/Zeromus, i could forgive the game a bit more if Golbez was the main villiain from begining to end.

>>386036268
4 is what popularized that style of JRPG (no real role playing element, railroaded, braindead easy, almost solely focused on its story), but it isn't as bad as X and XIII. The DS remake fixes a lot of its issues, honestly.

Definitely part of the weaker half of the FF franchise, though.

>>386057302
>Definitely part of the weaker half of the FF franchise, though.
factually incorrect

>>386057341
I'm still playing through FF6 but among the older games it seems that way. I know some later games have quality drops but it'd have to be pretty bad for most of them to be worst than FF4 (which isn't bad in my eyes, just mediocre).
5 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 2

>>386057341
Is it really?
All it has going for it is style and music. The story is just as simplistic and uninteresting as 1-3 and 5, but is even worrier than the first three and lacks the camp charm of 5. The gameplay is the same with a real time gimmick and you have absolutely no agency in how you compose your team or their skills. 6 is similar to 4 except with more engaging writing and plenty of options for party building. 7 as well is hard to place under 4, and even if you think 9 is solidly mediocre it surpasses 4 easily even in the areas it's best at.

Even if you think 2 is worse, 4's still part of the lesser half of the series.

>>386057596
I'd argue that the most recent update to 2 (PSP) outdoors any of the faithful updates to 4. The DS version beats out 2, but that's such a huge overhaul that I'd struggle to call it the same game.

Jesus Christ guys it was a huge step forward coming from the nes days. Story alone is leaps and bounds ahead. It even introduced real time battles.

>>386052792
Time

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>Little to no customization options (Stark contrast to both 3 and 5)
>What gameplay there is remains bog-standard JRPG fare
>Plot is nothing special in this day and age
>OST is weaker than both 5 and 6 which are also much better games

It's a pretty weak JRPG desu, really only worth it if you want to see one of Squares earlier, purely story-driven efforts.

>>386053929
They were still good in DS, although you could justify keeping a Knight.

If people want to get meme-y about OP teams, the real answer is

>grind
>OK
>OK
>OK
>OK

>>386061309
>Knight
Why need him when Viking with his large as fuck HP and his taunt exist? And the taunt works on CoD.

>>386035058
If dubs OP is a spoony bard

>>386061749
But Bards are overpowered as fuck

>>386035058
WHY DOES ALMOST EVERYONE DIE IN THIS GAME

>>386062991
The guys writing it had a very poor grasp on drama. 2 does the same thing.

>>386046693
It's more than likely supposed to be Lydia but gotta stick with the names people know

>>386063286
At least in 2 it had the balls to kill off the characters.

>>386064502
2 had the balls to commit in general.
4 is wishy washy as fuck and thinks a twist is more important than effectiveness. 2 is just simple but bleak while 4 is amateurs overshooting their reach.

>>386063286
>>386064840
2:
>People die
>Evil villain

4:
>Fake out deaths
>Mind control
>You attacked us as a dark knight but we're gonna help you become a paladin, take some of our kids with you when you go!
>Even resorts to giving Yang amnesia for 5 minutes to make conflict

>>386065416
Yeah, 4 is reliant on contrivance to make swerves and surprise the player, assuming that this somehow makes the story better.

Should I play 1 or is it shit?

I downloaded a ROM for GBA that contains 1 and 2

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>>386035058
>Why is FF4 so beloved?

It was the first game to use the ATB, and as far as I've seen, the only game to actually use it well. Mind you, I haven't played FF10, but most of the others don't seem to use ATB as anything more than keeping players busy with entering commands; the enemy design and combat system isn't designed with ATB in mind, and sometimes directly conflicts with it.

It is a consistent story focused on character growth of the main protagonists. Most other Final Fantasy games either focus on the world overall with bits for characters (FF6, FF7) or do a complete shit job of focusing on the characters (FF8).

A large part of the cycling party members were to give more characters a chance to shine in the story. Plus, it provided for some characters with less-than-ideal motivations, such as Tellah wanting revenge and Edward just wanting to be a pussy.

>Shit main villain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B08Nhzrp41c

The Four Fiends were pretty good for what they were intended. Golbez wasn't bad when we did get some characterization for him, and him being mind-controlled kind of puts an interesting twist on Kain's mind control adventures. The biggest problem is that the game never really goes into any of this at any depth, and you never really hear much from Golbez (or FuSoYa, for that matter) so it is hard to sympathize or even care about either.

Zemous was pure shit, though.

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>>386037063
>he didn't get past 13's tutorial

>>386065416
>>386065991
2 also has a better sense for the world and how it works on its side. Josef, Ricard, Minwu, all of them have clear positions of importance and motivations. You get why they join and die for you, and part of why that works is that two of the three times it's got nothing to do with YOU specifically.

Porom and Palom are kids who join you because they were told to and "die" because they don't want you to die. Yang is a kungfu man because fuck you.

>>386066603
>It is a consistent story focused on character growth of the main protagonists.
That's definitely true.
The problem is that Rydia is the only character done well enough for that to matter in the original release. Cecil and Kain kinda get there in the DS revision, but only just.

>>386036268
>/v/ bitches about 13 being on rails but 4 is exactly the same way.
Every single FF is on rails. The only difference between FF13 and the rest of the series is that FF13 doesn't pretend to be open.

Can we all at least agree that ATB is shit?

>>386070209
Go full turn based, or full real time.

ATB is just half-assing both of them.

>>386036268
Imagine being so stupid that you don't know what "on rails" means.

>>386070435
IV is still on rails until you get at least the heat-proof airship

The rails are just bigger, fluffed with empty world map space to give the illusion of "exploring"

>>386066583
1 (especially the remake) is some good fun. Party tips for your first time through: Warrior is damn near necessary, black and white mage are almost necessary but a red mage can half-assed make up for not having one, and the fourth slot can be whatever sounds fun to you.

>>386066775
Not the guy, but the tutorial is in that case in a fresh blind run over 10 hours long.

>>386066775
At least XIII's stupidly long tutorial didnt reset your level afterwards ;^)

>>386071920
Depending on your view of "tutorial" you might consider it almost 30 hours long if you count until Gran Pulse when it finally lets off of the fucking leash a bit as being the end of the tutorial (only to shove you back into The Tube shortly afterwards). I think it was right around that time where it also finally gave you free reign to fuck around with the leveling system more instead of it mostly being a straight line.

>>386070209
I feel like there's gotta be a way to improve atb and make it work well