It's okay when Japan make shitty combat.

>>386027213
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>>386027213
Yup. Weebs are the worst.

>>386027291
How can someone defend this? This was fine a decade ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Qf2Z-aMxw

shitty compared to what?

I'm sorry that you dislike it.

>>386027426
>easy mode
You're a funny guy.

>>386027213
>It's okay when Japan make shitty combat.

It's funny, 0 is the only game in the series where the combat (which takes up a lot of your time) is actually bearable.

>>386027692
This make no sense. Easy, hard or whatever the combat remain shit outdated garbage.

>>386027880
Try playing it on a mode thats meant to challenge you kid.

Is it shitty?

Swerving on niggas with Rush mode is some of the most fun I've had with a game in a while though.

>>386027985
No, you think you like it but its actually shit.

>>386027985
Dont listen to OP, hes a faggot and clearly samefagging. The combat, while a little simplistic, is a lot of fun

>>386027213
I want to know what other games do it better because I can't think of many.
Only really interesting melee combat I can think of is Soulsborne and Dark Messiah.

>>386028417
Ninja Gaiden
Bayonetta
Devil May Cry
Batman Arkham games
LOTR: Shadow of Mordor
Metal Gear Rising
Dying Light

>>386028950
>Batman Arkham games
>Dying Light
>Comparing Character action games to a beat em up

Okay so you're retarded

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>>386028950
>arkham games

This is a fucking bait thread, you might as well have said AssCreed games. Also half of your list ARE Japanese.

That part ion the kiryu amon fight where debris is flying everywhere and you need to get an invicibility power up and beat mode it n a constant flash of attacks.

you need to be retarded to not like this combat.

>>386027213
It's not the best combat in the series, but I wouldn't call it shitty.

>>386028950
Haven't played Ninja Gaiden, but
>Bayonetta
>Devil May Cry
Completely different genres focused on combat
>Bamham
>Shadow of Mordor
Same as assassin's creed and sleeping dogs. you can't be serious if you think those are better
>MGR
Agreed. That one's good but has way less variety. I'm sure if Yakuza 0 only one or two different fighting styles they'd be as polished, but part of the fun is seeing the different finishers and heat moves.
>Dying Light
How?

Did you just start Yakuza 0 and haven't gotten to the different styles yet or do you talk about games you haven't played at all?

>>386027213
OP's shitposting asside, I played Yakuza 0 as my first Yakuza game and while I enjoyed it a ton, I honestly did feel like the combat was pretty clunky compared to action games I like.
It feels especially bad when you fight bosses with an insane amount of armor. It feels like it's not easy enough to dodge out of the middle of your combo so if you're hitting a boss and he decides to get super armor you usually don't have enough time to dodge. It's awful when you get them low on health and they basically have permanent armor, so the fight devolves into running around poking them until you have enough heat to do a heat move and do anything resembling decent damage before running around in a circle again. Same thing applies to Mr. Shakedown fights but even worse.
Was I doing something wrong or are you not really intended to take 0 damage in this game and just chug healing items all the time?

>>386027426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd1apcRRXG0

>>386029645
That's just how the Yakuza games work. Of course there have been improvements but the combat hasn't gotten significantly better since the first game. Only rather than armor bosses would just dodge/counter infinitely between their attacks and their tracking is way better than yours. You can counter-hit and knock them down for a stomp or do the same thing with brass knuckles but otherwise you aren't doing any damage.

>>386029445
>How?
Drop kick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zaDIJ3W3A

>>386030310
Jesus the game looks so bad, like really ancient.

>>386030490
i know right

fun is so last gen

>>386030473
>hyper mode
Anon...

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>>386027213
Japan is the only people in the gaming industry who knows how to make action combat good. Even simplistic shit like Yakuza, Kingdom Hearts, Souls, etc is better than western game with action combat.

>>386030658
>>386030658
>Souls
lets not go THAT FAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI9M1J0v-o8

>beat em ups are bad
I hate modern gamers.

>>386030908
Yes they are because they are outdated. Everything becomes outdated after a while. Like Horror movies.

somebody remaster this please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmvz7wELCwI

>>386030772
Yes, even Souls has better combat than 90% of western games for having a stamina system and non-cancelable attack animations.

>>386029645
>permanent armor

The only enemy with permanent armor is Shibusawa in his 2nd phase, and that part of the game is extremely brief. Enemies who have armor also generally only activate it during attack animations. If you're good enough at the game, you should be building up heat very quickly and you should be constantly in the offensive.

The Media King and Amon are the only fights I can think of that suffer from the problems you mentioned.

>>386031103
>having a stamina system
but thats a bad thing

>>386027426
>I can't stop using these optional QTEs!!!?!!?!!

>>386027213
Pic unrelated.

>>386031204
>it's ok when japan does it!!

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>>386031172
Please be bait

>>386031448
>limiting your actions for some stupid reason is a good thing
stamina bars are only good for fighting games, to stop infinite combos

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And the same people praising this hot pile of shit, shit on Horizon despite having superior combat

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>>386031509
No, it's so you can't spam your actions and need to think carefully in how to proceed.

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>>386031820
THAN CAN BE ACHIEVED WITH STRONGER ENEMIES THAT CAN PARRY YOU, NO NEED TO FUCK THE MOVEMENT AND CRIPLE THE PLAYER

>>386029120
>Also half of your list ARE Japanese.

coincidentally theyre also the only ones with good combat.

>>386029060

>Character action games

There's that shitty term again. They are beat 'em ups too.

>>386031820
or you can use the non-shit approach of having strong attacks have long animations and spam be punishible by counters

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>>386031967
No, for instance compare God of War to DaS. In GOW you can spam dodge after dodge or attack and there's nothing preventing you to do so. But in Souls, due to its stamina, you must constantly play it safe and not abuse attacks or your going to run out of stamina.

>>386031820
But you can spam your actions in every souls game. Nioh Alpha did stamina right but surprise surprise casuals whined when they couldn't spam roll or spam light attack like they can in souls.

>>386032454
Pans that leads to combat in the Souls games being slow paced and boring. The lack of variety in moves and the inability to combo also hurts it.

>>386032454
>you must constantly play it safe
and that sure sounds fun
*sidestrafes*

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>>386032454
God of war TRIES to be a fun hack n slash, the fact that it fails miserably is irrelevant.
At least god of war has good hitboxes

>>386032552
And Nioh is great for that. Another reason why western devs can't into action combat like Japan can.

>>386032713
A game does not need tons of depth to be good.

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>combat is so clunky cry cry

>never played in rush mode or even used the quickstep
>rush mode is super smooth
>should be clunky when its focusing on power like in beast mode and in brawler mode etc.

>>386032906

Without having played neither, that looks exactly like Devil May Cry.

>>386034002
That is a very dumb statement, possibly as a result of your inexperience with both games.

>54 posts and 27 posters
Jesus christ OP try not to make your samefagging obvious

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>>386035127
>samefagging
>discussion

stupid kid

>>386029645

I think the game is 100% fair (sans Mr. Shakedown, screw that noise). Every time I beat a boss, I feel like I really had to learn what they were doing, and dodge accordingly. They also only do the super armor thing in the second phase of every fight, so you can't just cheese the battle with heat moves (unless you figure out the ways to knock them down in that state, and even then you can't abuse it).

I beat the game on hard, and I'm not even great at action games.

>>386028950
>Batman Arkham games
>LOTR: Shadow of Mordor
>Dying Light
I've never seen a man so wrong before

>>386030490
Limited by the PS3 version.

>default majima fighting style is the worst
Bat Majima is like 20 times better