Tick tock, anon.

DJT?

Is there anything less... maunal than Anki?

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How do you overcome years of ingrained laziness?

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I already learnt Japanese.

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アラアラ まだ日本語を話せないよ

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日本ゲームを薦めてください
ジャンルはどうでもいい

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>>386005080
>Buying video games from a loli
It's like you're asking to get raped.

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Am I ready to jump into Yotsuba& yet? Kinda want to get started with reading already.

>>386004695
Pre made decks. Memrise is good too.

Amateur moon interpreter here, is Tales of Vesperia PS3 viable, since most of the dialogue will be dubbed and I can get away with not knowing most of the kanji? I don't suppose there's furigana for quick lookups, right?

>>386004820
I spent over 20 years being the laziest cunt imaginable. I never did homework, and for every test, I only studied the day before.

Even I managed to put in an hour of work a day for a few years. All you need is desire, and to never take a day off. Because a day turns into a week, into a month and then you've wasted 5 years again.

>>386004621
What the fuck are you talking about?

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The Japanese are culturally and economically irrelevant, I don't need their language

>>386005165
I find Yotsuba& to be wildly inconsistent in terms of difficulty. The father doesn't speak like a human and Yotsuba's dialogue is all in hiragana for some reason.

>>386005165
I'd wait until about 25k mature cards before starting Yotsuba, otherwise it'll take you about a week per page.

>>386005357
>for some reason.
Are you really this dense?

>>386005342

Dragon Quest XI, also

>americans talking about culture

That's funny

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>>386005401
>he's insulting my favourite manga. I'd better start memeing!

I've gone through an Anki deck called 6k core vocab or something. Been using this same deck for probably two years. I'm pretty behind on any new things. What do others recommend at the moment?

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>>386005357
It's not uncommon for child characters to speak only in hiragana in manga.
It also happens sometimes in loli porn.

>>386005401
>25k
You got it, senpai

>>386005342
So are the french, italians, germans, spanish, & Portuguese, but people still learn those languages because they like the culture or some aspect of it.

If you want a "real" language for some for of job then Arabic or Chinese is what you should be studying.

>>386005357
>and Yotsuba's dialogue is all in hiragana for some reason.
>for some reason.
You're clueless.

>>386005401
>>386005579
And you're talking to yourself.

>>386005561
>So are the french
Stopped reading there, kid.

>>386005752
>french
>not irrelevant
Don't kid yourself, kid. Unless you're going on a trip to Africa and want to speak to the locals in their native language.

>>386005561
>So are the french, italians, germans, spanish, & Portuguese, but people still learn those languages because they like the culture or some aspect of it.
1) You're very wrong
2) These languages are a lot easier to learn, so your point is just missing here

Hajimemashite aratamemashite anonymous desu

>>386004621
Is there porn of this bitch yet?

How much Jap do I need to read untranslated mangas?

>>386004621
OH MY GOD
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE?

>>386006331
Depends entirely on what you want to read. Do you need the same level of English to read "The very hungry caterpillar" and a scientific paper?

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>>386006540
yes.

>>386006540
In Japanese, probably.

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Friendly reminder to avoid Duolingo at all costs.

>>386006540
Hentai mostly. Most of the translated doujins I've read have had pretty simple English.

>>386006829
?

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>>386006830
>read translated hentai
>it's disjointed and makes no sense
>read it in Japanese
>it's just as disjointed and nonsensical

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>tfw hit 500 words in Core 2k/6k
>tfw having trouble retaining meaning of 1/4 of words

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>tfw learned Japanese
>Last year lose interest in everything Japanese that isn't video games
Feels weird man. I could be reading all these manga and visual novels and I just don't give a heck. Oh well, still worth it for video games.

Can we talk about some untraslated games? It's always a good motivation boost for people still learning. I think one of the biggest misses in the west is the Medarot franchise. I beat every game in the series (bar Medarot DS which is awfull) up untill 8 and today I'm planning on starting Medarot 9.

Most of the franchise has likeable characters, lots of charm and the battle system is unique and fun as fuck. Lots of mechanics to learn and parts to use.

>>386006908
It's a bad app which will teach you Japanese wrong.

>>386006830
Hentai is maybe a small step above Youtsuba in general, with the occasional thing being at an intermediate level.

>>386006937
You sound like a retard.

>>386006937
Japanese sentence structure (and heir way of thinking) is just disjointed like that. It means somebody just translated it directly.

>>386006829
Isn't it still in alpha?

Went through it all in a day or so and it barely had anything.

>>386006991
But the picture you posted is correct.

>>386006829
To be fair it does not say Come this way. Do you see the verb 'to come' anywhere in there, retard?

>>386006829
It literally says here here

>>386004695
making the cards is as much part of the learning process as is studying them

>>386006054
初めて増して、私は anonymous です。

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>>386007073
Alright smart guy, where does it say "I" in this sentence?

>>386007148
>>386007072
I hope you folks are ESLs to be making such a mistake.

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>>386007241

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>>386005342
>americans talking about culture when they dont even have one

>>386004621
>learn Japanese
>turns out jap dialog and VA isn't a great as weebs claim it to be
>wasted that time instead of learning to code and ripping people off with shitty Early Access game

Fuck you Japanese threads

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>>386005080

Path of Exile: Atlas of Worlds

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>>386006054

>>386007241
Japs love to omit things. Just because you heard someone in one of your animes use it that way, doesn't mean it's the correct literal translation.

>>386006829
It is more like
This way, this way!

Or

C`mere, c`mere.

>>386007241
Not even the same case. That is how you say I am X.
こっち、こっち is not how you say "Come this way" in Japanese. Therefore your answer was wrong.

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>>386004953
>language and speech look remotely similar
FINALLY THESE FUCKING RUNES MAKE SENSE

>>386007349
I listened to this album after practicing with the tae kim guide
I'm not cheating, i swear

>>386007297
>muh war based economy

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studied hard for about two months.

Then I realized I didn't read manga, play japanese games, watch anime or have interest in visiting Japan.

I can still read hiragana and katakana, but most Kanji have faded away from my memory.

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>>386007363
That's why it's a problem for Duolingo to ask for the correct literal translations when you don't have enough context for their little examples. You will learn incorrectly if you use it.

>>386007418
That's not how you say "I am X" are you stupid?

>>386007241
Desu is the BE verb or the exist verb. It involves the statement of fact. Desu qualifies the preceding statement as one of fact. One must also remember that in Japanese context is often omitted if previously stated in a sentence.

ジョンです。

Is an entirely proper way of responding to someone who asks your name.

>>386007304
>VA isn't a great
For it was opposite. I started accepting japanese VA alot more especially great ones

>>386007418
I kind of understand where he's coming from, though.
It's kind of hard to translate without context since it's just calling attention to a place.

It's not like anyone actually says "here, here" in English so it just sounds awkward.

>>386007297
Not having a culture IS our culture you faglord.

>>386006937
>it's just as disjointed and nonsensical
Sounds like you need to study grammar more my dude

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>>386007524
Even Google Translate is smarter than you and it's a fucking miracle when it gets anything correct.

>>386007516
I agree, that trying to use an app that makes you translate things without a context to learn a language is stupid. But you also have to agree that the examples of your translations were incorrect.

>>386007304
Cool, was waiting for one of these responses.

Always happen without fail.

>>386006990
I really want to play FE5 in Japanese, the current fan translation is fucking horrendous and buggy.

>>386007621
Thanks for the laugh, man.

>>386007621
Trying to help you out here friend. But if you want to be a cunt about it then good luck.

>>386007524
It is a proper way of responding to somebody asking that, but it is most closer a translation to "I'm ____" Than "My name is ____" because it doesn't have the word name in it.

>>386007621
Google Translate is actually pretty good at asian languages now.

https://youtu.be/q4y0KOeXViI?t=506

t. knower

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Why is Japanese so hard?

>>386007701
I'm trying to help people out by warning them about spending 5-minutes a day on a bullshit app to learn Japanese incorrectly. です doesn't mean "I am".

>>386004621
its too fucking hard man

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>>386005080

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>>386004621
>Moving to Kyoto in a month
>Staying for 5 years
>Can barely hold a conversation after years of studying

She was right. I knew it all along. I can't do it, Anons.

>>386005080
Those games are shit

>>386007815
You'll learn faster when you're thrown into the deep water. I believe in you.

If I ever follow through with learning Japanese, and by any chance go to Japan. I'll totally use some ye olde and/or super polite Japanese to weird everyone out.

>>386005451
Dragon Quest is a generic game with a shit, infantile artstyle.
What of it?

>>386007815
Study means nothing if you don't apply the knowledge in practice. Hell, you'd forget English if you had no one to talk to, or no access to any English media.

>>386007868
they'll probably just think you're a massive tool.

At least people in my country think that when someone uses 100 year old dialects.

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>>386007715
You're looking for literal translations in a language that is very hard to literally translate. I had this issue when I first started Japanese as trying to find literal translations for Japanese sentences let alone idioms or even transitive and intransitive verbs in sometimes impossible. Doing so will only make things harder for you. You're using a basic level Japanese program, it is teaching you how to respond when someone asks you your name. You don't need to look into it deeper than that.
>>386007776
Desu CAN mean "I am." this is where you're having an issue. I attempted to explain the BE verb to you but you didn't seem to want to listen. Ultimately the tool is fine for learning beginning phrases and getting an understanding of the language and construction.

>>386007868
Funny thing is they will probably just brush it off as 外人 doing 外人 things.

>>386007774
i think she's talking about a different kind of hard there
name?

>>386007776
Why are you trying so hard to not understand this?

>>386007776
But that's not correct either. The etymology of です is a contraction of である which means "It is such that". You can use である in sentences (though that would sound quite odd) but derivations/conjugations of it such as であろう are still used in set phrases or patterns. Furthermore the 敬語 form, でござる is still proper and heard all over the fucking place

>>386007961
>I attempted to explain the BE verb to you but you didn't seem to want to listen.
I know. I know.
The problem is that Duolingo doesn't attempt to explain this to you and only asserts this one meaning. This is why I'm saying it's bad.
Ultimately the tool is terrible for beginners and gives them a shaky foundation to build upon and is no replacement for reading a grammar book.

>>386007968
It's 外国人さん to you, you fucking slant eyes!

>>386007868
Use ぬ with negative verbs instead of ない and you'll sound like you came from 3 generations back

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>>386005080
Why do they always have to make it so hard?

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>>386007815
You'll have issues in Kyoto, they're very proud and distrusting of foreigners. If you're working for a company and not as an english teacher you will find it bearable. But you will have issues making friends outside of the expat community. Don't worry about the language, you will learn a great deal being immersed in it. Just take your time, study in your own time. You'll get it.
>>386008084
I'm not sure I agree. Having a foundation for how to respond to basic questions is fairly stable foundation. Later on when you deconstruct and reconstruct sentence structure and verb conjugations you'll see WHY they mean those things. But I wouldn't say it was useless. I also agree that there are excellent books on the subject. But if you're a tourist going to visit Japan some of the things Duolingo will teach you will be useful.

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>>386007972

いろとりどりのセカイ

>>386008197
So that's why everyone in Jojo does that. Good to know.

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>>386007868
leddit response

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>>386008239

>>386007815
I live in Kyoto anon, I can give you some advice if you want. Where are you moving to?

I got to Kyodai

>>386008238
Grad school student, with a program that is primarily in English, so I think the transition will be smooth enough


>>386008352
I am also going to Kyodai. Are you a cute girl?

>>386007621
Google translate overhauled their system at least for Japanese a little while back, it's pretty fucking good now

>>386008238
>But if you're a tourist going to visit Japan some of the things Duolingo will teach you will be useful.
Oh sure, if you only need to know "Hello where is the toilet" then go ahead. Tourists can get by with very little.
If anyone is seriously trying to learn Japanese properly with this app though they're going to be disappointed.

We can all look at the word です and know what it means because we all already know what it means but if you try to analyse the grammar just through what Duolingo shows you then you'll end up with an incomplete understanding of the language.

>>386008406
No I'm a burly American lad

>>386008475
Me too. We can be burly American lads together and eat cheeseburgers and whatnot. Is the heat as bad as they say? I come from Michigan, so, not exactly used to 80+ degrees and 85% humidity all the time

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>>386008408

>>386007961
Not just that, but isnt "to be" already implied in most, if not all sentences?

>>386008609
>try to fry an egg
>get an eiffel tower instead

>>386008475
It gets pretty hot yeah. You can probably expect it to be in the 90s with high humidity. I just leave my AC on 21 permanently when inside. The rest of the year isn't too bad though, winters are warmer than Michigan. I'm from SC so if you've ever been around NC/SC/GA it's pretty similar weather to that

>>386008716
>You can probably expect it to be in the 90s
How are you not boiling yet?

best way to learn japanese?

i want to help translating h-games!

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>>386008430
I completely agree with that. But that doesn't mean it's useless. Most of my initial learning was watching Japanese preschool shows and learning things that way. Catchy songs etc. But they don't teach you the hows and what for's of the language at that stage. You build into it later.
I think it's a perfectly fine starting point for people who are interested in the language and want a quick program they can use. Much like a phrase book. But if you want any serious learning I'd also agree that you'd need books and a japanese to english dictionary along with I'd argue, tutelage by a native Japanese speaker.
>>386008406
Then you'll probably be with other English speaking students I'd wager. I'm sure you'll have fun. But don't expect to integrate into the larger community off campus easily. And certainly not without a fluent understanding of the language and Kyoto dialect.
>>386008630
I wouldn't state it's implied in all sentences. The BE verb is unique and stated where it needs to be stated.

>>386008769
>Freedom degrees
90s, mid 30s, same thing

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>>386008821

>>386008829
>quick program they can use. Much like a phrase book.
As long as people are aware that's what they are getting into then I have no problem with it either.

>>386008707
>Not taking your Eiffel Tower sunny-side up

Have you even tried Eiffel Towers Benedict?

>>386008716
Well, one of the professors to whom I now owe a very long letter of thanks is also a Michigan chap like me, so he's taken the liberty of letting me know just what kind of torture I'm in for.

Now, I was pleasantly surprised - the living situation seems pretty cheap. Until now I paid electric and internet, but in my tiny Kyoto apartment I'll pay electric and gas instead, even with AC on to aid my heat intolerance I expect it to be much less per month than I was paying for my apartment in Lansing.
I also laughed (literally, which was quite rude) at the expression one of the Kyodai workers made as she was explaining to me yearly tuition for a graduate student. Her look suggested that she was expecting me to be worried about it, but it's less per year than a single semester of undergrad here in the States. So money-wise I think I'm in okay shape.

>>386008821
Maybe you should learn English first.

>>386008954
Yeah my monthly rent is like 38000 yen a month and then another 10000 for utilities and whatnot and it's basically $500/mo for a 1LDK which is the Jap equivalent of a studio and more than enough space for me

>>386009098
Any clever impact this response might have had is diminished by the fact that suggesting someone should start learning one language in order to start learning another, completely different language

>>386009169
He probably suggested that because the other anon said his goal is to translate h-games.

>>386009125
Yes well, maybe we'll see each other around cutie pie. I'm going to bed it's 4:15 here in God's chosen time zone thanks for the tips

>>386009169
You need a good command of english in order to translate into english, something that is lost on a great many fan translators.

>>386009169
>is diminished
Not really.
Unless you're going to translate the said games not into English, but some other subhuman language.

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>>386009336
>>386009312
>>386009248
i realized that after i posted it, but it was too late, i couldn't delete the post, please just have mercy on me

>>386009336
American English?

>>386009404
In fact it's more important to know the language you're translating to, than the one you're translating from.
You only need to understand the meaning of the phrase you're translating. But you have to be able to give this meaning a proper literary form in the language you're translating to.

>>386009575
I know, I goofed! Please just leave me be

>>386009575
t. XSeed

>>386009404
who are we bullying here, the wannabe translator or the guy trying to defend him?

anyway yeah. don't translate into english if you're not at least a decent writer in english. or at least get yourself a good editor. but editors who don't know the original can sometime fuck up.

it's very important to get as close as possible to the precise intent, tone, specific word choice, and overall feeling of the original writer in whatever bargain bin isekai haremshit that it is likely you'll be working on.

>>386009575
Well said anon, also because there may be far more nuances in your language than you'd think, and those are a great resource when you find similarly nuanced dialogue to transpose.

>>386007461
You Bitch!

>>386009808
>>386009801
P-please stop ;_;

>>386007461
>>386009965
I'm not bullying you anon, just stating the obvious.

H-games don't deserve your top dedication tho, in fact akwardly translated dialogue creates a cognitive disconnect that minimizes your sense of guilt after playing the stuff. This is useful for the really embarrassing ones.

>>386009098
Silly anon, the contraption you fell in were a mere deceit.

>>386010372
there is something specially soul-destroying about translating bad porn. i don't know what exactly, maybe it has to do with having to think about each mind-numbing sentence, break it down into its components, and reconstruct it in a new way forces you to think longer and harder than anyone should ever have to about bad porn.

but it's fucking ego-crushing like nothing else. you'll want to jam things far enough into your ears you can taste colors.

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>>386010372
>guilt after playing the stuff

>>386010586
Weird, I feel that way about translation in general.

It's like an awful puzzle in which there are almost never any correct answers, and most of the time you're choosing between varying flavors of shit. And then occasionally, they throw in a pun or something which means you have to go and fucking write your own or just leave it out.

>>386010372
>in fact akwardly translated dialogue creates a cognitive disconnect that minimizes your sense of guilt after playing the stuff.
I wouldn't call it guilt at all but I do feel very awkward reading porn in my own language. I'm much more comfortable reading it in English, badly translated or not.

>>386010725
well yes but that's a slightly different kind of awful feeling, like you're taking a thing you love and just butchering it. like that lady who tried to redo the christ painting a while back and just royally botched the whole thing. that's what i feel like all the time, like i'm taking something that used to be great and running it through a fucking woodchipper.

and FUCK puns.

kinda wish there was a board for translation or something. i need to vent in places that aren't /a/ or /jp/, considering neither of them know japanese most of the time.

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>>386005080
Finished a VN called Rebellions Secret Game 2nd Stage last month, it was a decent battle royale story. I'd recommend it.

>>386011445
The pleasure of cumming inSUDO

Anyone still here?
I just tried using Anki, core deck. How do you learn with it because I'm not remembering anything, it's not even sticking short term.
Do you read eveything aloud, do you pay attention to the sentences too? Should I bother even looking at or trying to memorize the hiragana? I mean the hiragana is kinda useless. Just the kanji and translation should be enough.

I don't even know what I'm doing

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>>386004621
*SIGH*

>>386012895
>Should I bother even looking at or trying to memorize the hiragana? I mean the hiragana is kinda useless.
>I don't even know what I'm doing

Well you've got that right.

>>386012895
A lot of words are often written in haragana because even Japs often don't bother with kanji. How the fuck are you using anki in the first place, if the core deck has pronunciation written in hiragana? How do you read the fucking verbs? Clearly you do not know what you're doing.

As for memorization - you just gotta do it yourself. Practice enough and put some effort into it, and you should start doing better. But it will not do you any good in long term, if you don't apply it on practice and actually try and read/watch something.

>>386012895
Go to /djt/

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>>386012895
listen to >>386013103. Don't be a retard.

>>386004695
i prefer memrise

>>386012895
Do like 20 cards a day.
It's not that hard, I learnt japaense and now I'm learning korean.
Read>>386013026
You don't lean kana (hiragana & katakana) in a day
You spend a little time going them over then go through a grammar guide like tae kim or imabi and read easy stuff, immerse yourself in the language.

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>>386012895
If you can't even learn the hiragana you might as well give up.

>>386012895
Look under your post

>>386012895
i "learned" hiragana and katakana over the weekend using realkana

>>386013147
I mean I can hear it, but yeah if the japanese don't use kanji most of the time, then memorizing the hiragana is useful too. Also I didn't really mean just straight up ignoring the hiragana, but there's a difference between memorizing the hiragana in relation to the word itself, and not just using it as a guide as to how the kanji is pronounced when needed. But if you say they don't bother using kanji then memorizing the word in hiragana is useful as well. I know hiragana by the way.

>>386013250
Oh well if it's only 20 cards for an entire day then I should be fine.

>>386013740
You can go higher I did 50 a day at a time once, but had a lot of free time. It really depends.
I'm doing 30 learning korean now since it's easy to remember. Though I did only start a few days ago.

>>386013740
Learning kanji without learning hiragana is like learning English word by word, without actually understanding what do individual letters mean.

On the other hand, learning individual kanji alone is almost just as stupid. When it comes to kanji it's more important to learn the words they're used in first, and what each individual kanji second, to reinforce your understanding of the word.

What baffles me in Japanese, is that while words made up of several kanji usually make sense, because the meaning of the word is roughly similar to what the individual kanji it's made of represent.
But any semblance of logical structure crumbles at intrakanji level. Because often the meaning of the kanji has jack shit to do with the meaning of the radicals it's made of.

>>386013740
20 *new* cards every day.
You will have to review the cards you (think you have) already learned at regular intervals. Quite obviously those will only accumulate over time.

>>386013740
General rule of thumb is to expect
new cards * 10 = total cards per day.
At 20 new a day i was getting 250~300 total and at 50 new a day I'm getting 500~550 total.

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>>386004621
Fuck you, I've already dropped learning Japanese. It's pointless when I already know English.

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