Now that the dust has settled can we agree P3 remains unsurpassed?

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>>385993387
It got the best waifu who ever walk the earth

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It wasn't as good as Persona 4

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>>385993657
Gameplay-wise. The SLs were just as bad and tying Persona evolutions to SLs is why I'm still annoyed with P5 since it just means your characters never develop their own hearts on their own unless you're there to guide them along. Outside of the massive retarded 2v2 fights before fighting Erebus, The Answer was fine beyond the annoyance of level grinding actually being required.

It wasn't as good as Persona 2

>>385993387
P5 is probably the best, simply because it takes the best parts of 3 and 4 then polishes them to a shine. At the very least its a straight up improved 4

P3 is still my favorite because it doesn't play it as safe as 4 and 5. Plus I still think it has the best cast.

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>>385993387
Nah, senpai.
P5 > P4 = P3

>>385993387
>shitty dungeons
>uncontrollable party members
>shit characters and story
>shitty music (composer doesn't even know what "getting jiggy with it" means and simply used it because he thinks that's what "rap" sounds like)

It's possibly the worst Perona game.

>>385993387
It was already surpasses by 4, you can say all you want about the story but when the bulk of the game is spent inside literally the worst dungeon in any RPG, 4 surpasses by miles

It wasn't as good as Persona 1

>>385993387
No way. I think P3 and P4 are pretty much equal, and which one you like more is up to personal preference. P5 is better than both tho.

>>385993387
Still not fun to go back and play again.

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>>385994342

okay that's not fucking true

I like Persona 1 but even at the time of release it was horrible pile of crap

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I like all three modern personas for different reasons
3's got the best story and music
4's got a comfy town and the best side activities
5's got the best gameplay and the most polish

>>385993387
>oh hey I'm too tired to go in the dungeon
>oh hey I'm too sick to go in the dungeon

nope

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>>385994646

That shit was artificial restriction but I don't remember it being anywhere close to the frustration of Morgana insisting I waste ENTIRE DAYS doing nothing but stay in the room sleeping

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>>385994212
This desu. P5 is the best. If you disagree take off the nostalgia goggles or stop being a pee see cuck and buy a ps4/ps3 and play it.

>>385993387
If we pretend 4 and 5 don't exist, sure.

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>>385993387
Yes.

>>385994806
Honestly, that was pretty annoying but I can understand why they did it.

What was far more infuriating was the days when they force you to go into a palace, go 3 rooms in, then force you out and say you need to 'prepare'.

I think P5 is objectively better than P3 and P4, but subjectively I think P3 is the best. Leaving out P1 and P2 since they're very different. But if I had to include them they're both better than P4

>>385994806
>End of the game
>Joker cant go to school so he just stays in his room until the afternoon
>No option to atleast study or read a book/play vidya or some shit in the mornings

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>>385995039
>Likes Aigis
>hates Lavenza
Nigga, I thought we could be friends, but fuck that.

>>385994074
I really don't like P5. It takes way more from P4 and adds a lot of annoyance.

>>385995062

It seems like maybe they had at one point planned a bit more day-to-day school activity and more side stuff as well, but then later realized they didn't have enough to fill every day of the calendar, and that if the player used all that free time to max social links and level up attributes they would be too overpowered early on.

I mean, 3 and 4 had many time-gated features as well, but in 5 it was obnoxiously noticeable and just felt off

Yes. Here's hoping they don't fuck it up by bringing Minato back to life in the dancing game

>>385993387
No, still good though.

P5 > P3 > P4

>>385994806
I'm positive it wasn't this bad. September was just ridiculous.

>>385995523
They're probably going to add more stuff to do in the inevitable rerelease and ease up on it, compared to the original game

>>385995693
>Atlus
>easing up restrictions in rereleases
Did you forget the clusterfuck of a mess that P3 got into with FES? Or how fucking restricted you were playing FeMC and her timelocked SLs?

>>385995628
Absolutely correct.

Someone prefers 2 or fuckin 1 over modern persona?

Burn my thread why won't you.

>>385996158
I kind of like how tight the scheduling was in retrospect.

P4 and P5 have a month of dead time at the end of the game, and that wasn't the case for P3FES.

P5 ended with hikki video game mode. Not much of an ending.

>>385994845
I just finished P5 and I'm going to go back and immediately replay P3, because I can't believe how shit P5 was compared to how I remember P3. So we'll see if it was just nostalgia or not.

Persona 3 is worse in all aspects except perhaps story and characters. Do not forget that what you are playing is a game, and if the game part of it is not well constructed the whole product can be considered inferior.

This is not to say that Persona 3 is bad. It's flaws are acceptable, if only because Atlus learned from their mistakes and improved on the gameplay with Persona 4, then further improved with Persona 5.

Persona 3's gameplay is absolutely atrocious, with Tartarus being an inexcusable slog and AI controlled teammates.
The "1-more" system is not well designed in Persona 3 either, as you cannot take an action after getting up. This means that either you or an enemy can get completely destroyed because you were knocked down a single time. If an opponent is knocked down, you can wait and let them waste their turn getting back up, and then knock them down again, in an infinite cycle that should not exist. If you are the one that is knocked down, then you can be continually knocked to the ground over and over again while your teammates ineffectually use Marin Karin and Tentarafoo to no effect.

Persona 3 is a product of it's time, and it is a fine enough RPG on it's own, but it has serious flaws that were corrected in later installments and to claim that it is a superior game is simply ridiculous. Debate all you like about the story and characters, but when it comes to the actual game as a complete package, it is inferior to Persona 4 and Persona 5 to such a degree that it is laughable that anyone tries to make a comparison.

>>385999674
That's why with the story, music and characters I still rank it highly but you won't see me replaying it for fun.

>>385999674
Unless you're terrible at utilizing Tactics like you're supposed to, the game is pretty fucking easy since you can keep yourself from Marin Karin situations pretty easy. What's bullshit is you can actually die during the tutorial mob fight and have to do the whole damn thing over again unless you saved when you had dorm roaming privileges. And why does everyone bitch about Tartarus being a slog when stairs break the whole game by allowing you to reset enemies that were chasing you and allow a Player Advantage. Use buffs you retard.

>>385999674
I think the gameplay systems in P3 are better. And gameplay is more than combat.

P3 battles were more clear-cut and decisive, you won with weakness exploits or you could make a mistake and lose because you left a weakness exposed. Split physical types meant that physical attacks weren't ridiculous like in P4 and 5. P4's down/dizzy state was less strategic and less reliable than P3, and there's very little punishment to being knocked down in P5. P4 has way more boring tank-and-heal fights with physical skill spam which is both easy and monotonous. P5 is P4 but with ridiculous bullshit like Baton Pass and overpowered nearly guaranteed criticals trivializing everything.

Compare Reaper fights in the games. In 3, you set up a shock stunlock. In 4 and 5 (if you don't abuse Flu Season), it's a protracted tank and spank.

Also in P3, insta-death skills aren't a problem because Homunculus are so common. In P4, random ambush instant death was a real concern. It sort of was in P5 but the game is so easy that you never get ambushed.

I preferred Tartarus because it moved a lot faster than the dungeons in the other two games. It wasn't as much of a slog because unlock 4 and 5, going to Tartarus had its own dedicated timeslot. You could, and were forced to, break up visits into manageable chunks. In 4 and 5, dungeon visits taking up an entire day means you are heavily encouraged to clear dungeons out in one visit. It's boring and turns dungeons into tedious SP endurance runs, especially early on. This again feeds into physical skills being overwhelmingly better options.

Beyond that, Tartarus also had less pace-breaking puzzles with obvious solutions spelled out to you by your teammates. You just found exits, treasure, and monsters, and you could split your party up to make it go faster.

Finally I think AI teammates were the right decision. It made them feel more like characters, and let you use overpowered Fusion spells to compensate. The player felt more special.

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Worse than 4, and doesn't even come close to 5.

P5 = P3 > P4

>>386000170
Buffs are pretty useless in this game, or at least in the boss fights they make almost no difference. I get maybe an extra 20-40 damage on a boss that has lowered defence while I also have raised attack. I noticed a huge difference in later Persona games, where buffs significantly affected damage, but perhaps I am simply not using them right (though how else I would use them other than just applying them I don't know).

You cannot change tactics if you are knocked down, so if your AI teammates can't dig you out of that hole you are going to be sitting on a pile of Marin Karins. Even when put on full attack, your teammates will still make poor decisions on what type of move to use, because you cannot control what choices they make.

Tartarus is not a slog because it is difficult, it is a slog because it is incredibly boring, and 90% of the games dungeon time is spent in a randomly generated mess. In addition to having no layout, and therefore being unreliable on whether there will be an exit, or if you will find the stairs in a decent amount of time, your teammates can also get sick or tired and then cannot be used until you leave Tartarus, wait a day or so, and then come back. This extends the time you have to spend in the dungeon which is already grinding on your nerves. And you must spend some time in Tartarus, guaranteed, as the game expects you to grind in it at least a little bit, however insufferable it might be.

>>386001008
That was mostly because SMT3, only one buff that isn't stacked is pretty worthless and the configuring it bad, but Aigis would miss so often I had to use buffs to improve her hit rate. Also if you're going into a fight you know nothing about, why would you use a Persona that's weak to anything. Also P3 didn't stack knockdown in your favor by allowing your allies to take fatal hits for you or even help you get back up, also you couldn't block an attack so you were either forced to be more careful with what type of Personas carried or you brute forced your way through. Also who fucking fights every enemy once you find out how enemies behave and their line of sight? It's literally an easier Metal Gear Solid 2 because the Shadows have piss poor range and you can easily outrun them and if you trigger the Shadow, they'll never try to hit your allies unless you leave it's tracking/lock-on range.

>>385999674
Finally someone understands

>>385994621
this is the most correct opinion and therefore no one will respond to it.

>>385999674
Except that even with that exploitable knock down system 3 still has the best combat system of the three modern Persona games. The main problem with 4's and 5's combat systems is the lack of any thought involved with the knock down system. You hit the weakness if you can, period. There's no reason not to because All-Out-Attacks are king. 5 made a huge step forward with the baton pass system, but the fact that enemies don't get up if you attack them again means you just spam your strongest attacks or enemy weaknesses every time. There's no thought involved beyond what order you hit enemies in. With P3 you had to think ahead and predict what your teammates were going to do. You had to choose whether to prioritize crowd control by knocking them down or damage by attacking them again. I understand that its not for everyone but I, personally, adored that system and I thought that it was perfect for what that game was trying to be.

If I had the chance to change something about it, I'd give the enemies an enrage mechanic that'd trigger you keep abusing knock down. Like if they spent two turns in a row getting up you'd get a message saying '*shadow name* is getting frustrated', and if there's another time they spend multiple turns getting up they get a large attack boost (different from the normal rage status effect). Then give shuffle time bonuses if you defeat an enraged enemy to give you a reason to risk it if you feel confident.


Also, its been a while so correct me if I'm wrong but when using a magaru/maragi/etc in 3 it made you hit every enemy with a weakness to get a one-more, right? I might be remembering that wrong, but I thought that I'd sometimes use single hits since they were safer.

>>385999674
>and AI controlled teammates
There's a version of the game where you can turn that off. You then get people saying that it becomes too easy, which isn't untrue except when we're comparing it to the rest of the similarly easy series it doesn't mean much.

>>386001008
IIRC Persona 3 buffs were +/- 33%, and Power/Mind Charge were only x2.0. So buffs were a lot less useful in P3.

Which I don't really think is a bad thing, because they are OP in 4 and 5.

>>385994621
>music
Not even a P4fag but tell me one song that is better than Your affection

>>386001656
In P3 FES, ma- skills required every enemy to be weak to it to get a one more. In Portable they changed it to work like 4 and 5.

I think that was a good change though, ma- skills don't feel very useful in 3, especially since you don't need to conserve SP as much.

Catherine>>>>>>>>5=3>4.
Idk i just didn't like the vibe of 4 and preferred 3s combat system. 5 at least rebalanced a bit and added new features to make playing as a full party more fun. And has other shit to make up for it. 4 is just a less atmospheric version of 3.

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>>385994074
How is P5 the best when it has some of the worst plot and characters/villains, 2nd easiest game out of all 6, weakest daily life segments, rushed despite multiple delays, and a lackluster final boss? The only thing it improves on all its predecessors is the dungeon design (ranging from great to medicore) but if I care about that I would play mainline. Plus it has the worst beginning pacing all of 3-5

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>>385994621
Yeah yeah most of that shit is right but
>3 has best story
That is so wrong it hurts my fucking head. 3 has the worst, or rather, least best story. Best story goes to 4.

>>385995039
>no rise
die.

>>386002498
You're nuts.

>>386002260
>it has some of the worst plot and characters/villains
I don't agree
>2nd easiest game out of all 6
Play on a harder difficulty
>weakest daily life segments
I don't agree
>rushed despite multiple delays
I don't agree
>a lackluster final boss?
I don't agree

>>386002260
Which game is easier?

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>>386002498
>Best story goes to 4.

>>385993387

Best ending and characters, but P5's everything else goddamn.

>>385994845
>pc cuck
except you can emulate the ps3 version now

>>386002626
Merciless can make the game easier, since damage bonuses from weaknesses, crits, and technical damage becomes king due to the factors going both ways for you and enemies.

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OST
4>5>3
Story
4>5=3
Activities
5>4=3
Characters
4>3>5
Gameplay
5>4>3
Fun
5>4>3

3 just doesn't match up. Stop this meme.

>>386002626
Saying you don't agree doesn't change the fact that those elements are bad or inferior to its predecessors. And I play the game on Merciless for my first playthrough and only died in my entire two playthroughs against Shido because I killed myself on his first form.

>>386002654
P2IS. IS isn't really a game, it's more like a interactive novel because the gameplay is basically both tedious and also non-existent because of how easy it is.

>>386002879
I've never seen so much cancer in one post.

>>386002983
>Saying you don't agree doesn't change the fact that those elements are bad or inferior to its predecessors
And calling your opinion a "fact" doesn't actually make it one.

>>386002662
Like what? I think P3 has the edge on P5 in
>social links
>scheduling being less stupid
>story events, Operation Babe Hunt > whatever the fuck that Hawaii trip was
>music
>writing in general

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>>386003143
I just enjoyed the dates for Hawaii. I'd say the lack of actually being in control of interactions is the problem with the later beach visit when you get Futaba, which is the proper equivalent to Operation Babe Hunt.

>>386003185
>tfw akechi won't be playable in DSN
They won't do it. Everyone already hates him.

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>>386003185

>>386003185
>putting the murder and the daughter of the victim together
You're as bad as many shoujo manga writers.

>>386002983
>Saying you don't agree doesn't change the fact that those elements are bad or inferior to its predecessors.
lmao, what? That's just your opinion, and me not agreeing is just mine. If anything, my opinion is fact, since way more people agree with it.

>>386003279
He won first place in the recent poll though

>>386002260
I mean its the best quality wise.
>Music is just as good as its always been
>Oozes visual style from every pore
>The intro is by far the best of the 3, everything from the start to naming the Phantom Thieves is fantastic
>Large number of side activities
>Relatively large world
>All the locations you can open up on dates and stuff then invite people to
>Avoids the trap of tying character development to S.Links
>Finally using new assets
>Actually has dungeons
>Also has a random dungeon if you liked that
>The combat is simple like P4, but Baton Pass alone makes it far more interesting.
>Technicals are a great addition to the combat, and the balance between the different elements are great (like agi/bufu/shock causing ailments but garu costing less or the other two being better if you inflict an ailment first)
>Light/Dark no longer just instant kill moves
>More than one physical damage type

I'll agree that 3 has better writing but that's subjective, and Ill also agree that 5 is pretty damn easy but for the most people 5 is the best.

>>386002626
I'm playing on hard my first run through, after the first palace its pretty easy mostly because of confidant bonuses. Its weird how a core mechanic like Baton Pass makes the game far easier than it should be.

>>386003279
I mean, DSN probably takes place during the story of P5, right? Kamoshida's castle was in the trailer, and that disappeared. I don't see why Akechi wouldn't be playable, he's a fan favorite, and one of the main characters.

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>>386003185
>haru and akechi
kindly put your head in a microwave

People constantly comparing the stories are retarded since all 3 are telling vastly different stories. At best you can compare how it tells in which P5 does it better with intergrating the interrogation with the main story

>>386003334
>Appealing to popularity this hard
Wow it is fucking nothing

>>386003054
It is a fact that characters like Goro or Shido are poorly written. It is a fact that the game is too easy and casualized. It is a fact the daily segments are much more lenient than 3/4, allowing you to easily max out slinks, which also give out broken rewards. It is a fact that the game feels rushed after Shido or even before with how they handle some characters like Makoto introduction arc. Everything else is a an opinion. I didn't say something subjective like to quality of the OST because that is subjective.

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>>386003185
I feel like Yusuke and Futaba would breed like rabbits

>>386003279
I mean Adachi is playable in P4 DAN, so why not?

>>386003143
>social links

I absolutely love P3 but I don't see how this is the case. P5 has all those places you can take people to, which are also opened up by them so you can check out new stores and shit. and none of P5's links have been as bad as 3's Moon or Justice links Sorry Chihiro, at least you were good in 4

>>386003638
And why is that?

>>386003576
The interrogation framing device was so stupid and pointless. And you can compare them. P5's story sucked. It was a completely uninspired villain of the month story pulled along by a ridiculous social-media-as-understood-by-a-60-year-old aspect as the only real motivation for the heroes.

>>386003424
>Avoids the trap of tying character development to S.Links
No it doesn't. Barely any 5 characters get development in the main story besides Yusuke and Futaba.

>The combat is simple like P4, but Baton Pass alone makes it far more interesting.
>Technicals are a great addition to the combat, and the balance between the different elements are great (like agi/bufu/shock causing ailments but garu costing less or the other two being better if you inflict an ailment first)
These also break the game, especially baton pass which can make every battle on Merciless a joke. If it was usable and could be chain during boss fights it would be the easiest Persona game.

>>386003917
I don't agree

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>>386003832
Yusuke does not believe in contraceptives.

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>>385994212
p3 had
>superior gameplay yes, p5 had more things and it was surely nice to spam long ass knockout baton pass combos while futaba randomly lets you win the game in one move, but p3 actually wanted you to think instead of just hoping for dices to roll out in your favor. also, p5 dungeons varied from amazing to tedious shit while p3 was at least "okay" in every place and every moment
>way more serious story
>superior social links
>true patriot ending

p5 had
>cool first days where you can actually feel the rejection
>cool protagonist with predefined character
>flashy style
>final boss that's nice on the paper, but in practice doesn't even come close to nyx

i love both games equally, p5 is amazing with its carefree approach and p3 is amazing in its seriousness

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>>385995039
That's some shit taste you have there senpai

pls post more yukari

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>>386004258
>superior social links
L O L
O
L

>>386003815
I didn't use the dates much but I don't think they added anything to the characters. The real problem with P5's social links are that the stories are pretty bad on avaerage and most of them are resolved by you magically brainwashing someone. It's not like P3 where characters have their own challenges and go through their own arcs and come out better people, or like P4 where you help them become better people.

Having just beat the game, saying good-bye to all of the confidants really didn't do a whole lot for me. It's in sharp contrast to 3 where some of the best moments were finding Akinari's mom or getting chewed out by Mako's dad because she said she wants to marry you or meeting Maya. 3's social links felt more like complete stories, with significant things happening that could break your friendship, and real conclusions. 5 is tons of nothing, brainwashing a dude, a confession at rank 9, and that's it.

Moon might be the worst social link ever, but at least it was memorable.

>>386003832
They're both retarded and once they discover the pleasure of primal retard sex they won't be able to stop.

>>386001865
P3P on maniac is honestly pretty comparable to FES on hard, but then you get retards complaining that you have to grind more which is simply untrue unless you suck dick. The whole difficulty argument is dumb anyway because P3 is not a difficult game and the only difficulty that AI team mates add is through inconvenience more than anything else. People act like anyone who doesn't like AI team mates just doesn't understand tactics which is fucking stupid. Not only are tactics options that hould be available from the start locked behind story progression for no reason but even when you do set up the right tactics the AI will still occasionally fick you over by doing some absolutely retarded bullshit. I'd rather have a slightly easier experience that doesn't randomly fuck me over for no fault of my own over a slightly more challenging game that's needlessly frustrating at times.

>>386003917
Wow you might not enjoy it but calling it 'stupid and pointless' like it is some objective fact makes your opinions fucking worthless.

If you want to hate on P5 it is fine, but pretend that you have anything insightful views or arguments to be made

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>>385993387
I don't feel like any Persona game has the focus that 3 has.

>>386004258
Pretty sensible opinion, but I don't agree on the gameplay. Tartar Sauce is a total slog, and no party control is needlessly annoying without adding any complexity to the game. Add in all the general QOL changes P5 made, and it's a MASSIVE improvement IMO. Honestly, just being able to choose inherited skills and search for fusion combos makes a whole world of difference.

>>386004465
w-why

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>>386003185
>Akechi and Haru
Coulda been interesting if they tried. I don't sense any kind of romance between Ryuji/Ann and Yusuke/Futaba

>>386001589
Are you trying to fry robots brains or something?

>>386004624
>I don't sense any kind of romance between Ryuji/Ann and Yusuke/Futaba
They were both bickering every once in a while, and we all know what that means

Is the first Persona game worth checking out, by the way?

>>386004624
>I don't sense any kind of romance between Ryuji/Ann
Just look at how he stares at her when the ship sinks.

>>386004445
It was stupid and pointless. It was pointless because it was a bad framing device that doesn't make it clear what is being told to Sae because you presumably recount all of your activities, the people you met along the way, and all of your teammates, but then it turns out that you didn't and she asks you to sell them out. If you didn't recount to her how you banged her sister, what's the point of having all of this be in the interrogation framing device? It was stupid because the whole thing builds up to a twist that isn't a twist because it's so damn obvious.

The game didn't really need it.

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>>385993915
Fucking this holy shit.
That moment in P5 where you rescue your party members in the Velvet room would have been fucking PERFECT for some character growth and persona evolution.

But what we got is
>Holy shit Ryuji Persona evolve in while we're eating ramens!
>Done
>"Dude those ramens are delicious!"
>Mfw

>>385993387
its pretty dull actually

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>>386004394
I don't understand this meme. The moon links in all 3 are great since it's always about meeting a piece of shit and watching them grown out of being a piece of shit into a better person. Mishima for this reason is easily one of the best written characters in P5, but since he's not a girl people I guess people don't like him.

>>385993561
Minato is pretty cute

>>386004889
And not only that, how did Joker know about things hw shouldn't know like the conversion Shido has with the SIU director, if the story is told from his point of view?

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>YUSUKE IS GAY

>>386005229
He obviously didn't know that. It's common in flashback stories that they show you things which happened around that time even if it didn't involve the character telling the story. Even if it feels week, you can clearly make out what he tells Sae and what is the game telling the player. I mean, later you see Shido talking with his guys, yet we know that the main characters are unaware of these conversations. The earlier portions are just like these.

Or do you also assume Joker told her every single detail of every single day?

>>386004889
That entire interrogation ruse should be the coolest part of the entire game, but it flubs so fucking hard

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>>386001951
Easy.

>>386006136
They should have removed it outright to have a more cohesive narrative.

>>386004889
>>386006151
It was great at setting up the stakes and the tone of the game or what is to come and reminds the player of the precarious situation he is in. Also showing off what the PT is great at the start is always good to keep the player hooked

>doesn't make it clear
No fucking shit, this narrative device is built keeping the reader enticed but not fully aware

>>386007987
I meant the ruse with Akechi

>>386004889
Your life is flashing before your eyes.

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>>385993387
Yu is better.

>>386008082
How is it flubbed? It was executed well despite having a lot of explanation at the back

>>386002879
>Story 4>5=3
>Characters 4>3>5
time to kill yourself

3 has the best story and style but everything else sucks. 4 is overall the best I think. Beat 5 a few days ago after putting it off since May, just wanted to finish it finally. That game was a steaming pile of shit. I say 4 is better, but honestly they're about the same to me.

>>386008389
Woah!

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>>386002879
>Story
>4

>>385993387
yep, I completely agree with you.

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>>386003185
>haru and adachi
the fuck

although i'd love to see haru bullying adachi
>You shouldn't annoy a girl with an axe!

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>>386011141
>Haru and Adachi
>Two characters from completely different games who have never met
What the fuck indeed.

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>>386011572
you might be right, although

>detective
>your major opponent through most of the game before gods kick in
>likes guns
>does evil shit
>nothing goes according to keikaku in his life
>unsaveable through game mechanics
>not so bad guy after all, just exploited gods plaything
>you get boss fight against him

you must admit, it's kinda difficult not to mix them up

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>>386011857
Adachi > Akechi

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>>386002879
>being this wrong

>>386002879
>OST
3>5>4
>Story
3>5>4
>Activities
5>3=4
>Characters
3>4=5
>Gameplay
5>3>4
>Fun
5>3>4
4 just doesn't match up. Stop this mem.

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>>386011946
Why not both at the same time?
At the end they both discharge their load and their pistols on her forehead

>>385993387
Don't know about P5, but P4 was already much better.

>>385993387
a) yes
b) is MC coming back to life for DMN?
Is this a mid-quel thing like Q or is it going to be some dancing themed resurrection story.

>>386002879
Objectively true.

>>386002498
>best story
>scooby doo
>fake out deaths
>fuck all tension
Ay

>>386014218
I really don't understand why /v/ loves sucking 3's dick so much. Like many others said ITT, the story was possibly the only quality that was better than 4 and 5. Music is pretty debatable based on taste.

One of the main things in 3 that was so strange after replaying 3 is that the SL were so fucking shit. Like every level, there's like 10 lines of dialogue with nothing significant happening sans the SEES ones.

The gameplay is just a meme at this point to be honest. Not being to control teammates and poor AI is artificial difficulty. The "muh more atmospheric and immersion" argument isn't even an argument

>>386014558
>played P3FES for the first time after playing P4/P4G first
>had absolutely no problem using the tactics menu because I don't have brain problems

>>386002498
Worst is the good word

>Pacing is the worst of all the game
>Nothing interesting happen until the very end of the game
>Only good social link is the dying student
>Very little dialogue


Even the SMT games have a better story

>>386014558
Well, P3P fixes some of the problems (even FeMC's social links are better), but it's still not nearly on the same level as P4.

>>386014790
Basically. I've gotten fucked over by ai a mere handful of times after loads of play. There's no problem unless you're retarded.

>>386002879
>>386012993
Anyone who ranks the OST anything other than
P5>P3>P4
is an irredeemable pleb with an invalid opinion for literally anything in life. I didn't even bother to read the rest. I mean
>liking jpop and rap over jazz
People like you shouldn't exist.

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>>386015795
>OST
>P5>

>>385993387
I've tried to play this game like four times (i like the popular smts) but I always quit in the middle

>>385993387
The first three things all do

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>AI controlled teammates
>Those November and December months

Please defend this P3 fags

>>386016280
Don't worry it doesn't get better.

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>>385993561
Elizabeth ?

>>386003185

Akira and Makoto
Ryuji and Ann
Yusuke and Haru
Mishima and Futaba

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>>385993387
I think P3 still has the best themes, the best cast and the best ending. But it is old and you can really see that they had less resources and experience than they have no. Tartarus for example looks boring as fuck, every floor looks the same except every 10 or so floors the color scheme changes slightly. Meanwhile Persona 5 has a ton of incredibly beautiful and unique dungeons that are a blast to fight through.

If they remade Persona 3 with the quality of Persona 5 it would be perfect. Also Mitsuru still the best Persona girl.

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>>386016760
>Meanwhile Persona 5 has a ton of incredibly beautiful and unique dungeons that are a blast to fight through.
BUUURDRT DUR DUR DUR DUR DUR DURT DA DUUN NAAAAAAAAAA
Fuck this dungeon

>>386016579
Yeah but it always seems like a good idea to restart it. You can skip the text, right? And it's not like nocturne's dungeons were that great, right? And the sims part is pretty good, right? So it should be decent, you'd think. Not so

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P5 is a better game but my favorite is still P3.
P4 is great but it just doesn't compare to 3 and 5.

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>ruining the ending of P3 by bringing back MC alive in a fucking dancing game
>drones eat it up

Reeeeeeeeee

>>386017146
It'll probably be a midquel like PQ.

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>>385993387
Am i the only one who feels that Persona 5 easy difficulty comes from the fact that Joker-kun is a fucking jack of all trades with access to every fucking element in the game?

My main team on my first playthrough of the game Joker,Ryuji,Yusuke,and Makoto.

Even though these were the characters that i feel in love with and told myself that i had to make a team with those 3 specific characters, i felt like the game should have had you adapt to different dungeons and enemy's/bosses by having you properly utilize your entire team.
You can basically solo the entire fucking game with joker by the time you reach the 3rd dungeon.

Doing this would also make good use of social link and making sure the player actually checks out what all his team mates are about instead of neglecting some in favor of others.
I think it would have made social links much more important to the game instead of making social links feel more like optional side content and possibly make the story much better than it was because it would allow time to flesh out all the characters(haru is the last to join and has the least development of the entire cast)

>>386017334
Forgot to mention my first playthrough of persona 5 was on hard mode and the game was only ever hard on the first dungeon because you have no social links or special abilities yet from social links

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>>385993387
P5 was the better game but P3 was the better experience.

>>386015957
Oh, look. A hairless monkey with no taste. How surprising.

>>386017334
I see your first Persona game was 5, you should try the rest of the series as well.

>>386016931
I didn't have any problem with this dungeon, aside from the fact that it doesnt fit thematically with the game.

>old castle
Cool, might be a place thieves would infiltrate for treasures.
>museum
Hell yeah, lots of worthwhile art to steal.
>bank
Should be the first thing to come to mind when talking about robbery
>pyramid tomb
Think of all the priceless treasures you could nab from dead emperors
>a fucking space station
Atlus really dropped the ball on this one

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>>386017334
Yeah P5 desperately needs a difficulty spike in the expansion, you can bowl over dungeons so long as you have enough SP to fuel Joker. Also almost everyone I know of had Makoto and Ryuji on their main team, they're heads and shoulders above the rest of the side cast in combat

>>386016931
At least it has actual design to it instead of randomly generating corridor > room > corridor > room with the one dungeon gimmick.
Even the shit dungeons in 5 are a thousand times better than any 3 or 4 dungeon.

>>386017596
>not steal expensive NASA equipment and selling it for millions to the Russians or Chinese

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>>385993387

But both sides of 2 were already better than it and 4 was a lot more fun of an experience.

>>385993387
certainly

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>>386002879
>OST
>4
>Story
>4
>Characters
>4

Out of the 3 existing Persona games it is certainly the best

It wasn't until I played persona 5

>>386018341
Non.

>>386017672
>they're heads and shoulders above the rest of the side cast in combat

How come? I always found Ryuji way too slow (and this is from someone who got a surprise attack in 99% of encounters) and there weren't enough enemies with lightning weakness later on in the game.

Makoto also didn't seem to hit hard enough one way or the other until she got that ultimate nuclear move.

>>386017408
That's pretty much how I saw P4 and P3

Gameplay wise 4 always blew it out of the water but in terms of story, characters and atmosphere 3 was better.

I think 5 wins on most fronts to me now though, with the only faults being that a lot of the social link storylines are pretty weak and it feels way more restrictive and forces you to miss way more days/nights to story than the other two.

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>>386017528

Lol how could you tell?

Technically Persoan arena was my first Persona game,but im not sure thats canon story wise.

I have however watched a few youtube videos of the other persona games and they never really quite clicked with me the way P5 did.

That may have to do with the fact that im a huge smt fag and P5 is like a perfect mixture of the 2, so when i saw the Persona 5 trailer with gameplay i had to have the game.

Persona 3 and 4 never made me feel this way.

>>386011141
GIMME THE CHOCOLATE, HARU

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P5=P3>power gap>P4
P5 is obviously a more polished experience than P3 but it lacks in good story, good characters that aren't EFFIN ADULTS or SUGAR TITS. The music is subjective, though Last Surprise might be a good song but it's not a good battle theme.
P3 Has the best characters out of the three out of the three, because P2 has objectively the best characters out of the 5, the best story and a really comfy fitting soundtrack just like P5, but Mass Destruction is a way better battle theme than Last Surprise, not to mention fucking reach out to the turd lmao.
Tartarus brings P3 down, i understand it's flaws even though i honestly liked it. Also it has the best last bossfight out of the three.
Also the "bro" character in P3 doesn't suck your dick 24/7 and shows actual human emotion unlike Ryuji "EFFIN ADULTS" Sakamoto or Yosuke "I GOT NO FRIENDS PLS COME TO JUNES PARTNER" Hanamura
Meanwhile P4 has terrible scooby doo story, terrible characters like Yosuke or MUH MEAT Chie or literally who Yukiko. The only reedeming things about P4 are Kanji, Adachi, Nanako, the Heaven dungeon and The Almighty boss theme. And the very last bossfight is shit.

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>>385999674
You gotta understand by now though that no one plays Persona for the fucking gameplay

>>385993387
Well the game play in 4 and 5 are far far better and more fun to play, so no.

>>386018517
It's
Makoto, Yusuke and Whoever
Then it's
Ryuji, Ann and Makoto for cool damages endgame

>>386003185
Why are makoto fags so obsessed with her being canon when nobody is in any game?

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>>386002879
Real honest to goodness ratings here. check out these hot opinions
>Story
3> 5 until 3rd palace >4 >>> second half of 5
>Characters
3>4>>>5
>Character Interactions
4>3>>>5
>Gameplay
5>4>3
>Main Dungeons
5>3>4>>>>>>Mementos
S-links
5>3=4
Final boss
3>>>4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5
Music
Q > FeMC3 > 5 >3 > 4

Worst gameplay, best story.

Needs a remake.

>>386018843
i'm okay with this

>>386018843
Last Surprise is worst battle theme from nu-Persona, if not for the bass line it would be complete shit. Doesn't hype for the fight at all.
Luckily, P5 has all boss and mini-boss themes god tier with Rivers in the Desert and Jaldabaoth blowing the fuck out everything I heard so far in the series.

why are all the opinions in this thread so terrible
and why are some people trying to pass theirs off as facts do they not get how this works

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>>386019260
>Jaldabaoth
>blowing the fuck out of anything

>>386019260
>Jaldabaoth when https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taYPUbsnmIg exists

>>386016730
Fantastic taste

>>386017146
>not wanting Door back
I wanted him to come back in an SMT-esque persona spin off with Liz and Aigis in the end of the world but I'm willing to allow his resurrection to be hackneyed shit if he's allowed into p5arena. I want to main him so fucking bad

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>>386019545
Japs want him to come back as the new velvet room master now that Igor's VA has bit the bullet. It's probably the most likely outcome at this point

>>386017672
I had makoto no questions asked but ryuji and Yusuke were interchangeable. Mona was my other mainstay. I beat every fight in a single turn with the crit/weakness potential of Mona and Joker batoning into yusuke's baton buffed strike

>>386019659
Not sure if I like that. It would default all of his and Liz's character development (made canon in arena)

>>386019431
My bad, never finished Persona 3 due to Tartarus becoming so much of a fucking chore in December that I just want to kill myself. Not hyping me enough, maybe Youtube compression has something to do with it.

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>>386019431
THE ARCANA IS THE MEANS BY WHICH ALL IS REVEALED
Nyx is truly the best boss fight.

>>386002879
>OST
>4>5>3
stopped reading there

>>385993387
Yes.

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>>386019760
Does the last boss having 12 health bars, saying special goosebumps inducing dialogue after depleting each one with the great music in the backround hype you though?

**SPOILERS**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-rSt1PXUDA

Just finish the game anon, I myself just rushed through tartarus at the last month.
December is endgame.
It's really worth it.

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>>386019762
>thought the memes about MOONLIGHT QUEEN were overplayed just like everything else
>forgo confuse resist gear
>end up full healing Nyx
I should have listened
>>386019760
Go back and finish it, the last month and the final boss are incredible

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>>386004258
>p3 had superior gameplay

And right off the bat with this one ESPECIALLY if you're talking anything other than P3P

>>386017408
But if the game's not fun, then what's the point?

>>386019938
>I myself just rushed through tartarus at the last month
>not rushing tartar sauce first day every time
>not spending day on day off completing Lizebest's quests for 100%

>>385993561
Mitsuru?

>>385993561
Fuuka>Aigis>Mitsuru>>>Yukari

>>386020035
p3p is non-canon garbage. I wish it had never existed

>>386003185
Haru's getting human Morgana obviously

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The true best girl in Persona 3 is all main female party members since they're all incredible

>>386020205
I'm glad it exists if only for giving us a playable version of P3

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>>385993387
Of course

Its literally Deus Ex

>>385993387
I don't like fatigue, I don't like getting tired.
I'm on floor 10 and I have to wait a week because Junpei is a faggot and got sick. I'm also level 4 so I might be underleveled as well.

>>385993915
The worst thing in the answer was probably the lack of compendium

>>386020273
>waah tactics are too hard
p3p is fucking easy mode, they didn't rebalance the game for direct orders
I stopped playing P3P after i defeated the Emperor and Empress arcana bosses in two full turns, without them being able to do ANYTHING.

>>386020203
>Fuuka above anyone

>>386020315
The mechanics makes sense and isn't too hard to work around once you get used to it.

>>386020390
What's so hard about striking a weakness and the enemy taking a whole turn just to wake up, not being able to act afterwards? It's like Gen 1 Pokemon levels of broken up in here.

>>386020383
What did non-canon-chan mean by this?

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>>386020482
SHE'S CANON TO ME

>>386020203
>Cuck's opnion

>Mitsuru will never execute me
why world

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>>386020203
You're wrong.

>>386003576
Except P5 wove the interrogation in terribly, with the entire story not actually being told from your perspective. It would've been so much better if they'd handled that well but all the scenes with Akechi and Sae or the principal or SIU director being shown makes no sense and hints at a conspiracy that would've been obvious regardless. It handled a finale much better than P4 and the killer twist wasn't as poorly done but the execution of P4 and 5's stories is really weak, even if on paper they should work better than P3's. P5 being ambitious with the fake murder thing and the interrogation set up doesn't earn it points when it becomes a mess of exposition to actually carry out the former and it actively disregards its own format during the latter.

>>386003424
>Music is just as good as its always been
Opinion discarted.

Music is much worse than P3 or P4.

>delusional p3 babis

>>386020621
Can you imagine misturu dominating your dick with her stinky pantyhose feet ? she sees you about to burst, about to deliver the biggest load of cum ever but she continues to tease you and gently rub her feet on your dick then removes her top and showss her massive tits ready to make you drown in them. What a slut

>>386020203
>doesn't even include the MC's canon love interest
Fucking wow.

>>386020638
>Yukari but in HD !

Holy shit, is this what perfection look like ?

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>>386015795
>He doesn't like Lotus Juice

Fucking release this for ps4 REEEEEE.

I don't wanna spoil myself by playing 5 before 3 and 4

>>386020767
STOP

>>386020771
>canon love interest
>persona

>>386020828
P5 won't spoil anything about the plot of P3 or P4

>>386017596
>old castle
Castle crashers
>museum heist
Art robbery
>bank
Bank heist
>pyramid tomb
Grave robbers
>Ship
Pirates

The space station should have been a train for a train robbery to stick with the theme they had going.

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>>386020828
None of them are connected in their main games besides a few passing references, like for example, on of the main characters in 4 is an idol, and you can find posters of her latest gig in the subway during P5.

>>386020828
emulate p3 and p4 you dumbass

>>386020891
Arena confirms one route. It's possible Door cleared more than one but one route is confirmed

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>>386018843
>Junpei poster has the objectively best taste
As is expected

>>386004407
Not him and I'd agree with you if so many of the S Links on 3 weren't trash.
>Moon
>Star
>Justice
>Chariot
>Strength
>Temperance
>whatever the culture club one was (I want to say Fortune?)
>Emperor
>Fuuka's cooking club
Sure, you had Akinari, Mako and the monk and maybe even Tanaka and Yukari for good ones but fuck if the average S Link wasn't an exercise in holding down triangle

>>385993387
Yes, Door kung game still best Persona game

>>386020929
This is the power of p3 friends delusions.

>>386020828
come on man you can emulate them on a toaster
enjoy downloading 55.rar file for the undub version of P3

>>386004410
>locked behind story progression for no reason
I mean it's fine to not like what they were doing but not being able to understand why they did it shows you're retarded

>>386020916
Don't assume I want to play on PC, retard.

>>386021004
I know man but I need a new pc to do that

>>386020908
>>386020896
I mean in terms of quality/polish

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>>386021004
>undub
why though

>>386020854
I mean seriously, imagine her doing all of that with a satisfying smirk, like she controls you your dick and your pleasure, she's the one to lead the dance. But that horny slut doesn't stop there she goes one step further, not only does she tease your dick but when about to reach climax she stops get down to her knees an begind to deliver you an anti shadow treatment to your dick, she's literally a vacuum cleaner. You can't hold it anymore and you fire, she takes all the recoil but she's not satisfied and continue by making you lick and kiss her feet till you climax again. Definitly a slut

>>386005037
Ai and Mishima are great, fatass from P3 is just fucking awful

>>386020945
3 to me is like a pendulum with has really good S-links like Sun, Hanged, and Hermit, but then really fucking terrible ones like Magician. 4 are all consistently meh with very few actually good ones sprinkled in, like Moon, but still falls short. 5 has the most consistently good "S-links" out of the entire trilogy of nu-persona.

>>386021062
>Don't assume I want to play on PC, retard.
>emulating P3 on PC, putting it on fullscreen and playing on a controller won't do, i have to physically see my PS2/PS3/PS4 connected to the monitor to actually enjoy the game
are you acoustic?
PCSX2 was pretty much made FOR Persona, most toasters can run it with no sweat.

>>386021064
Pharos and Yukari voice

>>386008867
The execution is exactly what failed. Why is the entire ruse a text dump after the fact rather than something slightly more visually engaging? They could've at least had a cutscene with someone doing a voiceover if they really wanted an explanation done like that.

>>386021143
This

How is emulation different from the original experience save very minor graphic bugs

>>386021174
they're fine though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TeT1WwPR0U

>>386021197
not to mention that the graphical bug that occurs in the school with windows and chalkboards is present in the PS3 port.

>>386011857
They were both assholes who were given powers and did stupid shit with them. Adachi doesn't get possessed by Disco Eyeball until the actual fight with him and Akechi's really stupid keikaku is his own.

>>386021143
Stop assuming stuff you autist. My computer cannot run persona without audio problems for a start

>>386021215
Wait.. what ?

>>386021264
Was thinking of that one. So there is literally no difference

>>386021295
I thought Adachi wanting the town to be destroyed by fog was the result of eyeball boy
>>386021215
I'm almost positive it's a line from the Panty and Stocking dub.

>>386021074
GODDAMIT ANON
STOP

>>386021215
>>386021353
It's a dub lline from a hentai you can find it on youtube, the dub is pure gold they didn't care

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>>386021353
>>386021395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPTIUxbgIBE
Yukari's VA voiced an english dub of hentai.
Why she did that, is beyond me.

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>>386021395
ment >>386021353 instead of >>386021215. Have some Mitsuru as an apology
>>386021453
that's worse than I was expecting, I guess the VA was a good fit for the character though

>>386021335
can you at least get 60 fps?

>>386021413
Oh i'm sorry, does it make you feel things ?

>>386021395
I'm pretty sure he didn't know that was going to happen until the confrontation

>>386021517
y-yes

>>386020986
>delusion
>literally present and canon in a modern game
The fact that you hate p3fags says more about how shit your taste is than anything else.

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>>386004745
It's interesting to say the least and both releases have great OSTs, but actually playing through it is awful if you can't get used to first-person crawling, clunky combat, and ridiculous 90s encounter rates. Modern Persona has really been good to us

>>386004745
They're good games.

>>386018843
Im still pissed FeMC cant fuck him

..... Akihiro had the better cock tho

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>>386021712
He prefers staying bros with you instead of being lovers, he's a pure bro character.
Not to mention that he belongs to his Chidorita.

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>>386021712

>>386021509
I don't know my laptop is broken atm so can't check or remember. Planning on buying a new computer anyway when I get paid next week

>>386021602
Ohhh but it's just true to say that misturu is a horny slut, and when she doesn't rub her smelly feet on your dck she makes you take a dive in her armpits, they smell horribly but your dick seems to feel good for a reason, so you continue sniffing and licking and exchanging all that sweat and smell with her by making out, her tongue is the most satisfying thing you've ever met. The she firmly pushes you on the bed ready to whip you but then she makes you lick her boots and remove them, revealing smelly feet and you can't resist, the smell reached critical levels but so did your dick. After that she clearly shows you that she's the mistress and that she owns you gently sniffing and kissing your idck while you try to grab her tits, seeing the attention you give to her melon, she breastfeeds you like a mom would to a baby or in ths case a mistress to a slave. It's just to much for you and you start cumming buckets and buckets, and then she leaves you exhausted after teasing you, maybe next time you'lle be able to taste the holy grail, her vagina.

>>386021335
>audio problems

Finding a fix takes like 10 minutes

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P3, 4 and 5 are neat, charming games that should not have been this good in practice. It's a miracle that they've done so well.

I'm gonna be that fag and ask: Can't we all just get along? All 3 games are outstanding in their own way; all this infighting is dumb and pointless.

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>>386022193
>all 3
but there are 6 games anon

>>386022193
>all 3
3 and 5 are outstanding. 4 was phoned the fuck in normalfag bait

>>386022380
>3
>outstanding

Kill yourself.

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>>386022302
>Implying Persona didn't start at 3

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>>386022380
I'm not gonna deny that 4 wasn't rushed as fuck but I wouldn't say it's normal fag shit, that probably goes to 5 since the gutted a lot of the usual occult shit.

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Why does everyone shit on the SLinks in 3?

>Dying dude (probably the most thematically appropriate one in the game)
>The loli that says she wants to marry you
>Drunk Monk
>Rival Trackbro
>Cake Teacher (I will cede she's not as good as the new cake teacher)
>motherfucking President Tanaka

All fantastic.

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>>386022521
>implying it did

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>>386022302
I'm referring to the PX>PY stuff going on that almost exclusively revolves around the modern trio.

>>386022380
This I don't understand. Take one step back and you'll notice that 3 and 4 are almost the same game. To love one and hate the other is so dumb, I'm convinced that those people have cognitive disabilities.

>>385994074
persona's stories were never consistently good but p5s is by far the worst

>>385994621
this is the patrician opinion

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>>386022576
what I said earlier >>386021127, for every great link that 3 has it additionally has an equally terrible one as well.

>>386022546
But it simultaneously brought back talking to demons as well. How is p4 any more occult, really?

>>386022576
This is true. I was super happy to see the shoping channel had become a blackmarket website

>>386022592
>3 and 4 are almost the same game
Care to back that up? Like at all?

>>386022592
>one game is dark and brooding, all about accepting your death, memento Mori, yadadada
>one game is light hearted, sort of about the truth but only sort of, lots of cute anime moments

Five and four are a lot more similar than four and three.

>>386022710
I know it's the demon negotiation mechanic from SMT but I don't recall it ever being referred to demon negotiation within the game itself. P4 at least has the pentagram fusion animations, but that's kinda moot since it's just another point that shows how rushed P4 was considering it's lifted straight from 3

>>386002879
its time to log off

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>>385994621
best reply this early?
I thought I had to intervene to school your sorry asses again

However I want to stress that P5 had the best theme because it blends in with what you do.
It makes the most sense for Joker to act like a regular highschool boy because of the the whole "invisible dude during the day, twisted fucking psychopath at night" deal.

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The best part about P3 was that it didn't wear out its welcome.

P5 goes on for aobut 50 more hours than it needs to.

>>386004394
this is the only link anyone ever posts when they say "all p3 links are terrible"

the majority were fantastic outside from the SEES teammate ones

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>>386023067
I don't know how the fuck P5 has a shorter calendar than P3 and yet goes on and on and on for fucking ever.

>>386018843
very acreate post

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None of the main-party social link girls have ever been good. Usually there's atleast 1 good male one, but the female teammate social links are consistently shit waifubait retardation with little to depth being added to the girls.

>>386020828
I fucking played persona 3 on my android man, there's no reason you can't play it

>>386021942
you're a monster

>>386023407
Aigis

>>386023445
>he didnt buy an android woman

>>386023407
Liz

>>385993387
The pacing of P3 feels so slow, please tell me it gets better

>>386023457
Sorry anon, but you know you love it

>>385993387
Yep.

>>386023568
>grandpa these movies are too slow. Where are the explosions?

>>386023612
i don't want to be a degenerate

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>>386023568
It's the only modern persona game that isn't an endless tutorial, by the end of the first week you're pretty much free to do whatever

>>386023568
Everything happens in the last third (or quarter, if you're not feeling generous) of the game, but it's very much worth it. When it picks up it picks up.

>>385993387
I agree, and P5 is the worst.

>>386023695
Come on anon just let yourself go, you know you want mitsuru to be your mistress, there's nothing wrong with that, you just want to do lewd stuff with here.

>>386023504
Aigis' Slink just regurgitated what was already being shown in the main story and added a romance arc which wasn't necessary except to pander to those wierdos with robot fetishes

>>386021074
>>386020767
>>386021942
FUCK I'm at work anon. I don't need this boner, especially since I'm on nofap

>>386023568
Some say it's good in the last couple months, but it was so inane up to that point that I had completely checked out and did not give a single fuck.

>>385993387
The gameplay is shit, which is all that matters. Go watch a fucking anime if you want to pretend you're an emo high school kid, there's no shortage of that dreck.

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>>386022710
>Care to back that up? Like at all?

High-schooler transfers to new school where he gets involved in mind demons shenanigans. He makes around 6-7 new mind demon friends through out the story, like the bro dude that constantly reminds the MC that he's a normal, healthy teenager; the tough, but actually really kind guy that gets physical more often than most; the non-human, humanoid character that gradually learns what it means to be human/alive/what life is etc.

Despite being involved in some fucked up stuff, the characters and his friends still go to school and lead a normal life, make non-mind demon friends, go to clubs and do normal shit, while also having to periodically have to go to demon land to knock demon's head off and fight them in a turn-based manner. Also, there's this Igor fellow and this lady in blue that help you manage demons.

At the end of the story you move on and leave your mates behind, having saved the world from a god-like figure.

Also *detailed explanation of the gameplay, aka the 99% identical battle system and general gameplay loop between 3 and 4*

Which game am I talking about?
While the tone is different like >>386022725 pointed out, to say that P3 and 4 are completely different experiences is DUMB.

I'm not bashing folks who prefer one over the other, but saying that one is outstanding and the other one is hot garbage is INSANE. It's like they haven't played the games or were unconscious during the playthroughs.

>>385993387
>Now that the dust has settled
kinda surprised this thread lasted so long, with so many people in the filters thread showing this phrase
perhaps there are more people that vist /v/ than I thought..

>>385993387
I've never played any Persona games so I can't tell you.

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>>386024159
You're talking about either 4 or 5. There is no "non-human character that gradually learns...", because Koromaru is a dog that learns nothing. MC doesn't move on, he dies. He's dead. Gone.

>>386024389
>There is no "non-human character that gradually learns..."

Aigis

>MC doesn't move on, he dies.

No he literally doesn't

P3>P5>P4

>>385993387
I hope not, I'm currently playing through it for the first time and I'm probably 80% through, so far I'd rate it 7 or 8. The gameplay is just very disappointing in how simple and basic it is in all its aspects while there's also very little depth to the social system, kind of disappointing too considering how it's so central to the game. I'm enjoying it enough to keep playing, but I hope 4 and 5 are better, otherwise I don't see where all the hype for these games comes from.

>>386024159
>High-schooler transfers to new school where he gets involved in mind demons shenanigans
True of all three
>bro
More true of p4 and p5. Junpei is distinct from those 1 note equivalents and rarely gives too much of a fuck about Door instead using him as a prop to make himself feel either less out of place (by finding someone else with bad grades and an interest in video games) or make him feel less like a loser by association (which leads to jealousy down the line due to not being able to meet MC's standard of badassery). P4 and P5 do what you say word for word. Not P3.
>tough and kind
Akihiko is autistic not kind. He doesn't pull punches or save kittens. He pushes himself to excel so he can escape the feeling of inadequacy that plagues him and hopefully protect those he's interested in. By comparison kanji is a fucking caricature. A fag pretending to be a tough guy who likes girly shit.
>mascot chara
Sure you got me there but similarly don't forget P5. It's more of a series stable than p3 being the same game as p4

>>386024159
>despite some fuck ups
Sounds more like p4 and p5 again. Door doesn't fuck anything up. He just autistically mopes about. Both Yu and Joker are the ones who are 'banished' from their actual homes and are seen as outsiders 'city boy' 'criminal'. No one cares about Door.
>that other shit
Series staples again, my man.

>leave your mates behind
True of P4 and P5 not of P3. You sacrifice your life for them and they deal with your loss.

The nuance and execution are very different. So are the goals. So are the sound tracks. P4 was when wafiu/normalfag appeal was given full force. It is VERY different to P3 and worse than P5. Making it the least original or remarkable of the series a.k.a worst.
P3 does something new. P4 and P5 do almost the same thing but P5 does it much, much better.
If p4 disappeared other than the loss of P4A and PQ there'd be no real loss. Maybe the mourning of one or two waifu.

>>386024460
>being put in stasis until the death of all humanity isn't an abstract form of death
He will be unsealed into a wasteland to die alone. Except that Liz will be there and they'll figure something out. I doubt toaster would keep giving a fuck until the end of humanity. She's almost given up on getting him out in arena and just fucks around with Shadow Ops

>>386024675
3s gameplay is the worst of the 3 most people acknowledge. It plays better every game. Other stuff is subjective but that part is just plain fact.

>>386024835
I agree that Junpei has a more depth than the others, but I still think what I said applies. Akihiko I'm not ready to argue for since it's been a while since I revisited 3.

My point is that 3 and 4 are really similar in most ways and I can't imagine reasonable folk having diametric opinions on the games.

>>386025134
>despite some fuck ups
...not sure what you're referring to.
>Series staples again, my man.
yes, because THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT, lol.

>leave your mates behind
I concede that I was a bit cheeky with that one.

Also
>arguing music
is really, really stupid. All 3 are great and fitting.

>>386025336
Was a bit cheeky with that one, but my point still stands. Loving one while at the same time hating the other is silly.