Why do people enjoy this shit?

It's a social thing

getting in groups and pushing the more challenging dungeon and raid difficulties can be quite satisfying

The pokemans mon. It's like playing a video game of a pokeman fan playing pokemans, pokemansgo and dressing up as pokemans. Even the so-called "hardcore raiders" are just farming raids for pokeman drops.

>>385992225
>game has objective
>includes grind

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>>385993358
WoW hasn't been a social game for at least a decade now. Modern WoW is easily the least social game on the market ever since blizzard started actively discouraging interaction between players.

Well WoW used to be about slowly progressing through a large world full of enemies, NPC's, and players. Always finding new loot, players, enemies, areas, secrets etc... Now it's just diablo in third person. I still find retail somewhat fun though, pvp is pretty good if also horribly unbalanced. Fucking sub rogues.

I grind mounts. The only reason I continue to play is my guild. WoW is a 5/10 game for me, but the community is god.

>>385993563
Why do people say this? Wow is very much a social game. I suppose if you just log on do dailies then no, but if you want to push any content pve or pvp then it's very much a social game.

>>385992225
because there's no other games that encourage/require you to organize a large group of people to more-or-less jump through elaborate hoops.

it's a team-magement game, where instead of directing npcs you're directing players. the actual gameplay mechanics are borderline irrelevant.

>>385993563
>what are vanilla servers

>>385993601
>Fucking sub rogues.
Only really a problem in WPVP. Get good scrub.

>>385993656
t. never played vanilla WoW

>>385993737
Have fun with your solo mythic raids or M+ above like 10

>>385992225
it was novel and enjoyable 10 years ago.

>>385993687
I need info anon.

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>>385993563
>blizzard started actively discouraging interaction between players.


In what way? What are you talking about?

Basically anything worth doing in WoW involves a group of people

I don't know anyone that actually enjoys it. They usually play because over the years they've conditioned themselves that WoW is the singular and only thing they can do with any free time they have. It's a pretty wicked addiction. You should hear how important a few stat points on a video game character's gear is to these people. In the grand scheme those stat points are as important as their rent, their education, their social and love lives. It's really sad.

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>>385992225
The MMO genre is old and trite now. Basically it's a genre that is popular among anti-social people that have nothing going on in their personal lives. Those with addictive personalities can get sucked in real fast.

The reality of the whole thing is that Actiblizzard wanted to appeal the game to normies as people grew out of spending all of their time on the game and made it easy and unfulfilling. The market corrected itself and a shit load of people stopped playing. Some hardcore autists still play because it's the only way they get social interaction-- they probably spill their spaghetti in real life so that's how they get their fill.

That's where the game is now, an over easy boring snoozefest designed for anti-social autistic rejects. Nothing to see here, the genre will die and be replaced with something else within the next ten years.

>>385993796
>>385993952
>not understanding the difference between being in a group with players and socializing
Standing in town queueing up for shit while never talking to anyone is not socializing. You can try to talk to players in LFD or LFR but they won't respond anyways, you might as well be playing with AI. If you've actually played any MMO pre-Wrath that required socializing and player interactivity you would understand the difference.

>>385994146

Sounds like you have some trouble understanding

They are dedicated because they enjoy it so much. They wouldn't invest time and money into something they don't enjoy

>>385992225
wow doesn't get new players, just resubs so the new player experience is absolutely awful, i'd tell them just to go play on icecrown or something

>>385994243
I join both all the time and talk to people all the time. Do you enjoy being an autistic antisocalite? Is it difficult for you to communicate with people?

>>385994243

Well it's your fault if you're doing little baby nigga Dungeon Finder and LFR instead of ACTUAL raids and Mythic dungeons. You're choosing to do the matchmaking queues for the inferior rewards instead of playing the good stuff. Can't fault the game for that one.

>>385994271
Not all addictive behavior is enjoyed. Anyone with an above average intelligence knows this already.

>>385993813
Check out Elysium, there's a general on /vg/. The general is polluted with dumb drama but the server itself is fun, there are always people looking to group up and help a lowbie level.

>>385994271
Tell that to all the people who buy hundreds of dollars of scratch-off tickets a week. A lot of mobile free-to-play games literally target that market. MMO's are no exception to this.

>>385994375
I've played WoW long enough to know that you are full of shit. People don't talk to each other and won't respond to you if you try because you don't need to talk to each other anymore. It's all by design to turn the game into a more "streamlined" single player experience.

>>385994421
I don't play modern WoW anymore because it is absolutely dreadful, and mythic raids are only entertaining to the autistic NEET.

>>385992225
Honestly? It's something mindless to grind while I zone out and think about other things.

>>385994243
good thing theres over 15 more difficulties for dungeons that you cannot queue for, and 3 difficulties for raids that you cannot queue for

Raiding is fun. Arena is kind of fun.

More generally unstructured pvp in games where it's not dogshit is fun too. So is developing your character in games where that's relevant.

>>385994557

I've seen dozens of people that I knew from my guild just straight up get bored of WoW and quit. The ones that stayed are the ones that want to be there

>>385994804
To be fair you still queue for normal and late tier heroic raids as well as low to moderate mythic+, you're just applying to shit in party finder instead of using an actual automated queue.

That you have to link your AOTC achievement and wear your poorly itemised gear to pad out your ilevel doesn't really change how non-interactive it is.

>>385994584
you do realize mythic is the equivalent of heroic from back in the day right? currently its normal, heroic, mythic. "flex" mode was added in mop and in the next expansion blizz changed the naming because flex sounded retarded.
if you think mythic raiding is for autistic neets, i dont understand how the fuck you could possibly think playing vanilla wow was for average everyday working class joes

>>385994975
or you could maybe gee i dont know join a fucking guild?
i also like you how pretend party finders didnt exist until now. theyve always been in the game.

>>385994975
>That you have to link your AOTC achievement and wear your poorly itemised gear to pad out your ilevel doesn't really change how non-interactive it is.

>Interacting with the party leader doesn't count as interaction

what is your criteria for "interaction"? Does the other player have to literally come over to my house and start sucking my cock or something

>>385994975
>poorly itemised gear
yeah, like pre-wrath raiding required perfect 100% itemized gear right? tell me about the stats on your resistance set

pro tip: all you needed to raid back then was a pulse and a toaster that didnt melt. nowadays trash mobs have more mechanics than entire vanilla raids. that is the reason why people want absurd requirements. shit is harder now

>>385992225
Im not sure if anyone else who plays is in the same boat as me, but I don't really enjoy it. I actually dread playing it, but I can't quit because I have invested far too much time and money into the game. No matter how shit and dead it gets I'll still buy every expansion and stay subbed until they shut the servers off.

>>385995427
It's actually because people can't fucking hack not winning everything on their first try and the only metrics they can think of to try and select "good" players are useless.

>find a group
>someone fucks up
>one wipe
>everyone leaves
>find a new group

The machine allows me to be a little girl.
What more is there to explain?

>>385993656
>then it's very much a social game.

Raiding with your guild is about as social as any other multiplayer game, but WoW is supposed to be a MMO where you interact with hundreds of not thousands on your server and not just a handful of people.

>>385995674

This is why I only raid with my guild

pug groups are a complete shitshow 95% of the time. Idiots who refuse to learn mechanics queue up hoping to get carried, and nobody ever uses voice to coordinate the raid, and then half the people leave on the first wipe and it goes into waiting mode while you reform and repeat

>>385995674
if only you could somehow find a group of likeminded, better-than-average players willing to work together towards longterm goals. what could such a group of people be called? a club? a clan? a fraternity? fuck i guess that kind of grouping does not exist in wow

>>385995797

Well you do interact with them in some form, whether it's just passing by in town, killing the guy while he's AFK, answering the new guy's question in chat, etc

but I think if you were expecting there to be some kind of raid where hundreds or thousands of players are all there working together, you might be asking too much

>>385995797
>WoW is supposed to be a MMO where you interact with hundreds of not thousands on your server

There is none of that anymore. Many people refuse to even speak, much less group with people outside of their tight-knit group of friends/guildies. You used to not be able to get much done by being like that because the content wasnt harder, required more people, and more time. But now a group of retards can down a boss as long as they show up. You just need bodies to throw at the boss and thats it.

>>385996034
>a group of retards can down a boss

Sometimes I honestly wish that was true, but no, it's not. Retards wipe Emerald Nightmare bosses in phase 1 still to this day. You have to do shit right because there's so many insta-wipe mechanics, and retards don't even understand that.

>>385995559
>I've already shoved this knife an inch into my chest, but I can't stop now I've caused too much pain already I need to keep going.

That's how you sound. Like a grade A bitch. Man up.

>>385994997

>vanilla
>heroic

HURR DURR

>>385996308
when did i ever say vanilla had heroic

>>385994243
>You can stand in town queuing for M+ and raids
Look at this faggot, look at him and laugh.

>>385995559
Quit now. You're using it to avoid a bigger problem you have with your life. Face up to it.

>>385996308
Medivh is a blizzlike private TBC server so there you go

>>385997820
>blizzlike

That's a fancy way of saying bugged/broken

>>385993813
No, go to Warmane anr play BC. Vanilla is boring af.

>>385994219
It's already been replaced by the MOBA.

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>>385998598
MOBAs are like slot machines in casinos. They give out that nice gambling endorphin rush. Makes sense that asians get so addicted to them, it's all smoke and mirrors and not fun if you really sit down and think about the experience.

>>385998845
MOBA is like a MMO comdensed in an hour. Grinding, levels, items. Think about it. You just dont have to invest nearly as much time in it, just have to learn the mechanics. Basically a casualized MMO.

>>385999152
That's very true. It's more about learning the characters and their positions. I liked the grind in MMOs personally but I liked when they were challenging, everything is too simple to be worth anything anymore. And the only moba I enjoy is Paragon since it's not entirely cancerous (yet).

>>385998421
>paymane
lmao

>>385992225
juden raus

>>385992225
It wouldn't work if it weren't online but it's not artificial reward. The reward is status in a community, pretty much the same as anything you do in real life beyond survival.

>>385993563
i only play wow now for the social elements now, it's still very well alive in that aspect

>>385994219
>mmo's are for antisocial spergs
t. somebody who plays singleplayer games all day

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I know that most people will advice against playing MMOs when it seems like people are addicted, but I actually don't play MMOs, I play singleplayer games when I can, however I've been thinking about switching to an MMO

My life is really bad, I'm struggling so badly working a low wage job full-time while I'm a full-time student at Arizona State University Online, I basically get no time for games at all...and no time for friends, family, pets, or anything else. I feel so isolated and alone, I haven't had a real conversation in so long. I'm so very lonely, and its crushing some nights when I'm on-call, struggling to get my homework done on time, and I have only gotten 30 minutes in and a customer calls me at 4am with an emergency of some kind, and now I've been unable to do homework AND I didn't get any sleep AND I have to be back to work in 3 hours for the morning meeting to start the next day of 8 hours of work AND I'm going to be back on call that night AND not only will I somehow have to catch up with tonight's homework, I will have to also be able to cover the homework of the night that I wasn't able to even really start

I get to play games maybe 3 times in a month, most of the time I'm just way too busy to do anything fun at all, and I have a year and a half to go. The loneliness and isolation has become really bad lately, and I just cry at night sometimes because I feel like I'm the last man left on earth.

Is this a good game to socialize in? I just want to talk to people and play games at the same time, I'm very sorry for the rant, I'm kind of emotional just thinking about it

Consider this; when people say they miss the socializing aspect the game had many years ago, they're referring to the times where you had to slowly build groups on your own, or where you randomly met people to complete difficult quests together.
The endgame raids are not necessarily what they mean, because, if you ever had the chance to try it back in the day, it usually meant a few people talk while most are required to stay silent so coordination can take place.
This wasn't exactly enjoyable on a social level, more on a gameplay and triumph level.
Proper socializing only took place outside of actual content, while waiting for people to arrive at a dungeon or just fucking around while questing / grinding.
This led to bonding moments that have become virtually non existent in modern games.
We just want to be back in Ashenvale (the old one), collecting Furbolg assholes and getting ganked, partying up with other members of our faction to enact revenge and then have a comfy chat afterwards.
Fuck the endgame, the endgame was never the best part.