In one week, Dragon Quest XI has sold twice as many copies in

It's a sign that they should be making better final fantasys.

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>>385990478
Sure am glad we have to wait till next year to play it haha I don't regret buying FFXV at all haha HAHAHA

>>385990478
I haven't played either but I think it's the difference from a finished polished game vs a game that is a buggy mess. I don't know how many bugs are in the game but I'm guessing it had a better launch than FFXV

>>385990478
it's a sign that enix has no idea where to go with FF and just throws concept and different gameplay at the wall hoping for the VII days but they never come because the passion and drive is gone and replaced with shiny graphics

>>385990669

>enix has no idea where to go with FF
You're right, they don't. Because they don't make Final Fantasy. Or any game.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND DRAGON QUEST
JAPAN DOESN'T BUY GAMES THAT AREN'T MOBILE
WHY DID THIS BASIC BITCH GAME SELL 800K + ON THE FUCKING PS4

I
DON'T
UNDERSTAND

>>385990478
why the fuck is it next year instead of winter this year? no voice acting and midi music means it should be an easy translation

>>385990847
It's in the culture man, Japs just inherently have a boner for Dragon Quest.

>>385990895
Can guarantee they're going to release alongside some other hyped up game and kill their own sales then blame the west for bad sales.

>>385990478
FF's decline started around the time Nomura started becoming more prominent within the company, but the turning point was the making of Advent Children and removal of Matsuno from XII's development. It has been all downhill from there.

>>385990478
It's not even a week, it was two days, which is even crazier.

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>>385990568

But that would apply to past FF games as well. If anything, people just grew to figure out Final Fantasy is all flash and no substance.

>>385990895

It takes a year to ruin the game with dialects, hide all the Japanese influences and make sure the western public loses all hype.

>>385990847
Dragon Quest is one of those things you can't fuck up. Japan won't have it. They HAVE to make it good. Final Fantasy can fall back on the west to buy and support it. Square lost their touch, while Enix has silently stayed in the shadows, keeping Dragon Quest from jumping the shark.

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>The eternal debate still rages
>Square Enix is rich either way

>>385990478
>Surely a super expensive remake of Final Fantasy VII will save the series, right?
There was a time when not knowing who Cloud was indicated you were a huge fraud. Now all my friends consult me on this new Japanese Smash Bros character people on the internet were excited about. Ten years too late to make the brand bounce back by itself.

Is there a way to get a party member to zone easier? I'm trying to do the quest where you have to kill the dog wyvern at night with beastmode and it's a fucking pain in the fucking ass

>>385990568

Literally this simple.

Bring back the Ivalice setting and get retarded hacks like Nomura OUT OF THE PICTURE ENTIRELY

Best intro to dragon quest?

>>385990956

>FF's decline started around the time Nomura started becoming more prominent within the company
Actually FFVII-X was the pinnacle of the series. Both in sales and popularity. Nomura is a raving homosexual, but he really knows how to make designs that FF fans want. I think the problem with the FF series is it doesn't have anything besides flashy designs. The days when expansive FMVs would wow people are over. And all that's left are cheesy shounen story and crazy designs.

>>385990478
if ff7 remake makes money, it will not be because of what made it popular back then. final fantasy is dead. remember the good times friend.

>>385990847
Japan fucking loves DQ, it's a cultural icon.

FF can be a shitty button mashing open world boyband simulator, Japan won't care. But touch DQ and the Japanese will torch Square HQ to the ground.

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>>385991065

If Final Fantasy stars failing in the west and they haven't marketed Dragon Quest sufficiently outside Japan, then they won't be making money anymore. They'll have two series that rely only on Japan.

This is why they need to start focusing on Dragon Quest in the west. They are localizing every DQ game now. But still not marketing them. You have to do both.

>>385991190
V and VIII are widely considered the best 2D and 3D games.

>>385991198
>mfw to this day, FF V is still my favourite

I fucking love customising classes and skills, I'm sick of pre-built characters and flashy "finisher skills" like Limit Breaks.

>>385991343
>They are localizing every DQ game now.
Tell that to the 3DS

>>385990478
Somebody in some part of SE thinks the west doesn't like or doesn't deserve DQ and I'm not sure who. It wasn't Horii because until the 3ds game localizations came into question and some fan in France asked him about it he thought they were all being localized as a matter of fact. Even X. Then after he found that out we got 7 and 8 3ds, the musous and builders. As big as 7 is, there is absolutely no way they had a 3 year delay because of the localization time in releasing it. It's because Horii found out somebody was fucking up and told them to cut that shit out. Hell he's the one in the XI localization announcement video for the west and he put it out on the day of release in Japan.

X's a lost cause at this point, but he's making sure we get the games now. I really fucking want to play X though, damn.

>>385991198
The moment Nomura is doing anything other than designs is where problems begin to arise. However, you are right about the lack of substance; the series has really become all flash and no bang.

>>385990478
>Japan has shit taste
More news at eleven

>>385990478
Fuck off FFXV sold 6 millions worldwide, can dq do that? i doubt it

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Sell me this game.

I don't understand how this series is so strong when all I've seen of this game has been average at best.

>>385991506
Add on to this, doesn't Enix and Square have separate buildings? That also shows a big disconnection with the branches.

>>385991506
I like to think there's some internal feud and Horii stirs shit up by announcing random localizations on livestreams as revenge.

>>385991506
>mfw Rocket Slime 3

Fuck. I hope someone gets around to fan translating it.

>>385990895
Gotta add honeywood's fucking dialects and spend 8 months editing instead of just doing a solid translation. Hell they probably didnt even start on localization until the game was gold in japan. Normally I'd be annoyed at that, but they basically built XI three times and have to work on all 3 of those for the localization. Unless we just get the ps4 version.

>>385991461
Listen I love V, but VI is the king of 2D, while IX or VII hold the title for 3D. VIII is just a mess.

>>385991572

Even his designs are shit, gimme a break. I remember being horrified going from gorgeous Amano illustration in FF6 (3 at the time) to the fucking schlock in FF7.

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>>385991714

>>385991646
>a game out for months worldwide outsells a game out in one country released for a few days
Shocker

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>>385990478
>japs have their own skyrim tier overrated trashheap
interesting

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>>385991483

They have localized every DQ game that came out since 2015. I agree they should go back and localize the other 3DS games and DQX, but SquareEnix seems to only care about future releases.

>>385990478
b-b-b-b-but people doesnt like turn based rpg games anymore
Maybe squeenix will go back to classic ff instead of movie fantasy and kingdom fantasy

>>385991729
I meant "widely considered". I fucking love IV and VII, but V and VIII are the posterchilds for the series.

Wait what

Dragon Quest XI came out?

>>385991660
They have a lot of buildings, i wouldn't be too surprised. What's more impressive than anything is that X and XI are the first times Enix has had an internal team do the main development on DQ. And they are phenomenal

>>385991646

FFXV has sold 5.5 million worldwide. Which is the same amount DQVIII and IX sold worldwide. The difference is DQ games sell 5 million in just Japan. With just a little more marketing in the west, DQ games could surpass FF games worldwide.

>>385991846
Joker 3 and to an extent professional came out 2016/2017.
That being said, that's only one example and you're right overall.

>>385990478
Dragon Quest has never been my thing but I might give it another go. I've played 5, 9 and a bit of 6. Are the 3DS ones a good place to pick up the series?

>>385991657
Here's a (you) instead. You'd better enjoy it, it's the only one I have.

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>>385991190

>>385990478
XV was so fucking pathetic.

>>385992043
Maybe they were waiting on 3 pro so they didn't do another fuckup with 2 like they did before.

>>385990478

so when is DQXI coming out stateside, if ever?

I enjoy both FF and DQ, though feel that FF has taken a serious downturn in quality recently

>Look it up on PSN to buy
>Its $90

What the fuck.
The HK version is over $60 too.

>>385990478

dragon quest is a religion in japan

>>385992067
VII is a bit much for beginners, especially given how long it takes to get to the first battle which is the first thing shitposters dive on to shit all over the game.

>>385991506
Isn't it because someone doesn't want DQ to compete with FF?
Not being able to play DQX is really disappointing though, since it seems to be an actually decent MMO for once

>>385992184
I'd be happy if this were true.

>>385992031
Perhaps Enix didn't want to risk screwing things up with a 3rd party, or they may have been taking yhe measures to support their own IP. I know they intend on supporting X for at least ten years. They're already halfway there.

Maybe in 2030, we can finally play it.

>>385991936
These days, I would argue VII and X are the "posterchilds" of the series. VIII had its moment in the sun and many remember it fondly as their introduction into the franchise or for its cinematics, but I don't think it has reached VII, X, or even VI levels of adoration and recognition.

>>385992231
It's $70 on amazon but they're not shipping internationally for whatever reason. I've tried bitching about it so maybe they fix it in a few days

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>>385992031

It's the difference of how the games are made. Yuji Horii explained this right as Dragon Quest XI was releasing. He spends every day personally directing his team with what needs to be done and playing beta versions of the game over and over, making notes about what parts need to be changed and what needs to be added. Even a couple weeks before the actual printing of the game, he (and the rest of Armor Project) are replaying the game and looking for things that can improve it. The story, visual design and gameplay are all tightly controlled by a small core team.

Final Fantasy on the other hand tries to lock down all the story and gameplay in pre production. Then they hire out thousands of artists and programmers to do the work. No one is overseeing the game from a quality standpoint. It is treated more like work.

tl;dr Yuji Horii makes an apple pie full of love. Final Fantasy team makes apple sauce on an assembly line.

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just a matter of time, right g-guys?

>>385991714
The PS4 and 3DS have the same script, literally word for word the exact same script. It won't be an huge extra localization cost to do both versions.

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>>385991729
VII is trash. It's literally a "talk to every NPC and interact with every random object in every town until the story decides to move on". Didn't even get to the job part that I had already clocked 10 hours and was just fed up with this bullshit.

Also it's the first time I heard someone praise DQ VI. What's this game's gimmick?

My favorite 2D would be IV because of that brilliant intro and world building. For 3D, it's VIII because I am not a retard.

>>385992375
I've never seen much love for VI and X. Hell, I've seen a decent amount of complaining for VI.

>>385992473
I played and beat this.

It was pathetically easy. Even the bonus boss was a cinch.

>>385991580
>People outside Japan have shit taste

Fixed that for you.

>>385990478
>takes years just to get an english version, or none at all
>too fucking lazy and cheap with their money to just have 2 people run through the fucking text then going through a pre-order system for english-speaking sales, doing 2-3 waves in case people missed buying it
>nation of smart people

>>385992459
Based Horii. Truly the director we need right now. He's also the reason Taro still has a job.

>>385992213

>so when is DQXI coming out stateside, if ever?
TBA 2018. So anywhere from 6-18 months. The average for most DQ releases is 9 months after the official announcement.

>The Dragon Quest games only have midi sound files because the composer believes people should only be able to hear the orchestrated version by buying concert tickets

>>385992610

It's not about smarts. It's about pride. SquareEnix was run by prideful idiots until 2014. New management took over and surprise, games started getting localized again. However, they haven't added advertising to the equation.

It sold 1+ million on PS4 in just two days. About on par with the 3DS version. That's the part that is truly shocking. People expected a 1;2 ratio.

>>385992459
That first one sounds like how Square used to run back in the nes and snes days. There's some interviews with the old guard where they talk about what the design process used to be like and it was vastly different then. Changed to be more corporate around when Wada showed up

>>385992642

suppose they need to tack on the accents and remove the cleavage.

i like the accents

>>385992798

>more bogus rumors no one has a source for

>>385992531
I'm not talking about on here anon, I'm talking about in general. A fuckton of people love VII, X, and VI.

>>385992479
It takes more than a script to localize. They have to put it into the games and make sure everything works still. On the ps4 version, the 3ds 3d version and 2d version.

>>385992231
Did you check Singapore's store?

Time for ff 3ds/switch desu

>>385992641

Who's Tora and what do you mean by this?

>>385991157
Fuck off, hipster. XII was trash and removing Nomura is EXACTLY what ruined FFXV.

is anyone actually playing the game
it was nice the first few nights we actually had some chat about the game going instead of just this console warrior bullshit

>>385993028
Still comes out to over $60.

Question: I've been stuck in El Ciclo in VII for the longest and I have no idea where to go. Any tips?

>>385992495
>>385992531
Thought we were talking about FF instead of DQ. Please excuse my retardation.

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>>385992994

Modern localization isn't that hard. They don't hard code the text anymore. All modern game engines have spreadsheets for text and they literally just replace the Japanese text with English (or whatever language). Then they can use a program to make sure it fits within the text window. This is why the excuses for games like DQVII or X being 'too text heavy' are bull. The real problem is they hire people to go over the text and change it with dialects. They are making the translations 100x harder on themselves.

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/09/06/dragon-quest-vii-producer-talks-localization-structure-pax-west/

The head of localization in SE of Japan (Fujimoto) has basically contradicted himself. Before DQVII was released, he claimed they wouldn't do the localization because the accents and dialects took too much work. But he also said he won't allow a game to be localized without accents/dialects. This is the kind of idiocy that causes games to be overlooked.

>>385993140

FFXV was trash from the first screenshots. Sorry you fell for it.

>>385993376
It's ok senpai, I still love you.

DQ thread?

Just beat chapter 2 on dragon quest builders... Which chapter let's me go back to Rimuldar to settle down with Elle and build a cozy life together breeding the ever loving shit out of her

Also, this may be the coziest game ever made.

>>385992994
Sheiiiiiiiiiiiiit

>>385993418
He didn't contradict himself. Dialects are clearly an important part of the story. In fact translating those have always been a big part of translations, long before video games.

>>385991745
I don't care for them either, but apparently a lot of people like them, so I just chalk it up to differences in opinions. His work outside of designs, however, is just out and out bad.

>>385993418
How are the accents and dialects dealt with in the Japanese versions? Do they even have them?

>>385993810
I'm guessing they use the Kansei dialect for lower-class characters.

FFXV was clearly a marketing and development clusterfuck and a wasted opportunity

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>>385993648
>>385993810

The original Japanes games have very few characters with a dialect. And when they do, it's a kansai dialect.

The western translations take characters who don't have dialects and gives them a forced Russian, French or Cockney dialect. This is not acceptable in any way. It's not at all what the original creator intended.

>>385993949
>wasted opportunity
Considering it started as a fucking 13 spinoff I'd say what we got was making the best out of no opportunity at all.

>>385993505
The chapters are like independent games, since you don't take anything with you between them. It's really disappointing. I'd like to see a cohesive campaign if they ever make a sequel

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>it's actually a prequel to DQ3

>>385994350
>Source: the imaginary conversations I have with my bff the DQ development team

What did he mean by this

>>385994430
Wait what?

>>385994430
It's also a prequel to the Zenithian trilogy too. That blue haired rogue-type character is hinted to be an ancestor to the hero in VI.

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>Is this a sign that Final Fantasy as a brand is slowing down?

The brand has slowed down since FF13 was a piece of shit and 15 exacerbated it. They bounced back with 14 but it's an MMO so it's limited

>>385995035
It has some Loto shit up in there in the trailer so probably. That said, I'm bailing out of this thread forever if there's any plot spoilers.

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>>385995180

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_jqb8VOiJs

>>385994465

>angry dialect defender has no counter examples that prove him wrong

>first six final fantasy games are medieval fantasy
>all the ones after are just edgy emo teens with the exception of IX

What did they mean by this?

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>>385995334
FUCKING CHEN
STOP
ITS CLEAR NOW THAT DQX WILL NEVER EVER COME OUT I FUCKING HATE YOU YOU STUPID CAT FAGGOT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>385994465

How am I wrong? Even if you don't know Japanese, a simple google search into characters like Sancho and Ludman from Dragon Quest V will tell you they added accents to their characters in the western translation. Plus Alpha even bragged about it here.

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/02/13/square-enix-discusses-dragon-quest-v-hand-of-the-heavenly-brides-localization/

It really blows my mind how in 2017, people are still defending shitty changes to anything. Not just Japanese games, but Chinese and French movies can't escape this shit.

There was some thread earlier where somebody kept insisting the combat was like X's instead of regular DQ on ps4 for some reason and it seemed a lot believed him. Just thought I'd point out that the combat is the same on ps4 as any previous DQ. You just have a free camera and the option to run around freeform if you hold one of the shoulder buttons. Doing so doesn't affect the combat at all. It's like how growlanser 5 played identical to the rest but you could also run around directly on the field instead of just waypoints.

>>385996238

That's really all DQX was, except you also had an option to push enemies and block their attacks.

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>>385994465
>everyone has a dialect

>>385996238
It's not like regular DQ because it's not purely turn based. In old DQs, you select all your moves for all of your characters, and then the player and enemies all get their move over the next round. Who goes first and second and third etc is based on speed stat.

In DQ11, it's like FFX. Each character gets their turn based on their speed stat, and executes what you select immediately after you select it

I mean it's still similar but it's not the same

>>385995153
>mfw fucking hate MMOs but XIV is a pretty cool game
>love the world and the outfit designs but the MMO crap turns me away from it

Fuck. I want a single-player XIV with an actual campaign instead of a million fetch quests and the occasional dungeon you have to share with retards that get themselves killed.

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>>385995618

But I'm DQXI posting now.

>>385996970
Beautiful.

You can have more fun playing Dragon Quest II than FFXV

>>385997336
DQ II isn't even that bad as long as you have a walkthrough handy so you remember where you stopped playing previously and to refer to if you can't find where to go next.

>>385996970
I don't care Chen poster. Now you will always have something over me, your stupid half cat face will always be able to honk at me something I will never have.

>>385996741
You know, I hadn't even noticed that. Takes the question work and rng out of turn order though which I wouldn't mind. Used to the speed not being reliable for turn order.

yall niggas obsessed with Final Fantasy

>>385990478
I can't wait for the doujin scene to take off.

Honestly about to just quit DQII, I can't believe how much fun it was before but the level scaling sucks even in the snes version. There's no reason I should struggle with fighting enemies high above my level but still get the same amount of exp as I did hours ago.

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>notice some DQX PS4 videos getting disliked like crazy
>look into it
>apparently the subscription shit is fucked on that version forcing them to pay more and the PS4 version requires its own separate subscription that doesn't cover any other version of the game.
>didn't help at all that Nintendo decided to double down on this and offer anyone with the Wii version a free upgrade to the Switch version

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>>385997479

like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8IyDRaX3p8&t=1m40s

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>>385998181

>>385998078
based nintendo

>>385998078
Since when is X on PS4?

Dragon Quest doesn't matter in the western market, just like Final Fantasy doesn't matter in the Japanese market.

What ultimately matters is that Final Fantasy sells more globally.

>>385996939

>Fuck. I want a single-player XIV with an actual campaign instead of a million fetch quests and the occasional dungeon you have to share with retards that get themselves killed.
So basically you want Final Fantasy XII.

>>385998414
It was announced the same day as the Switch version of 10 and the same day as DQ11 was announced

>>385997501
It's not bad at all, but it is the type of thing /v/ will blow out of proportion for shitposting's sake

It's such a subtle change but I actually like it, it's slightly more modern

>>385998431

>I don't know anything about any market

>>385998414
X is on fucking everything. I just wish they'd localize one of em

>>385998550
As long as you understand that Dragon Quest will never sell as well as Final Fantasy on the global stage, we're all good.

I love DQ, but I really don't understand why the Japa think it's on the same tier as FF.
Something like FFIX, an FF in similar tone to DQ, just blows everything in the series out of the water.

I guess it's a culture thing.

>>385998812

Yes it could, if it got equal marketing to Final Fantasy.

>>385999014

>Something like FFIX, an FF in similar tone to DQ
How is it similar to Dragon Quest in any way? Because it copies Dragon Ball?

should i get this on the switch or ps4?

>>385999014
>similar tone
It's really not. /v/ may not want to admit it but DQ games have simplistic, childish stories. It's like a Saturday morning cartoon. FF games have darker, adult themes, and this applies even to FF9. The setting for FF9 was just more fantasy than sci-fi, other than that it's really no different than the other FF games

>>385999121
In the same way that FFV is similar to Dragon Quest.
Just the way they carry their stories, the dialogue.
No on is going to tonally compare FFVII with DQVIII for example.

>>385999406
Switch.

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>>385999565

I don't see a similarity in any way, but that's me.

>>385999406

The PS4 has 1080p resolution and the Switch will have 900p. Its a question of wanting to play it on the go or wanting slightly better graphics. Unless the Switch version gets some extras, which could easily happen.

>>385999467

>FF
>Adult themes
About the darkest and "adult" Final Fantasy ever gets is a character death. And the stuff in Dragon Quest V does character deaths better than any Final Fantasy game. Aria and Aeris dying is a joke compared to someone like Pankraz in DQV or any of the sages in Dragon Quest VIII.

And you really should quit trying to say Dragon Quest is more like a child cartoon when comparing it to Final Fantasy. Which is paramount to Star Wars meets Naruto.

>>386000274
I think you're taking what I said too personally. Childish is not an insult.

Just look at the main characters. Main character in DQ is usually mute, so you have almost zero room for development, whereas in FF games you typically have some form of inner turmoil to deal with and overcome. Squall, for instance, grew up thinking he could push everyone away and take care of himself. The game basically sees him slowly reverse this

The main villain in DQ is usually a monster whereas it's usually another person in FF. Shinra is a corporation that's exploiting the earth's resources, essentially. So you basically have man vs monsters compared to man vs man, which is a huge difference thematically.

I haven't played all of them so I'm sure you'll come up with a ton of cases where I'm wrong. All I can say is it wasn't my intent to offend you and it's just my personal impression. I don't think FF has "mature stories" and I like DQ more.

>So when do you think SquareEnix is going to admit Dragon Quest is the true money maker for their company?
When it starts making money outside of Japan

I don't even see the point in this FF vs DQ thing when it's KH who reigns supreme

>>386000084
>>385999591
ill do the switch then. i really enjoy being able to play the DQ games on portable

>>386000707
If you can't even understand why the DQ heroes are silent and the role the main villains play relative to actual events in the stories then it's probably best for you to just stick to FF.

>>386001035
You're absolutely right

>>386000707

I'm not saying childish is an insult. But you're also not describing what Dragon Quest is. It's a game that appeals to all audiences, not just kids. The irony is Final Fantasy is a game that aims more towards pre teen and teenagers and sells primarily to those groups. Dragon Quest has universal themes that appeals to all ages and it sells to all ages as a result. You don't ever hear about the 93 year old woman who is hyped for the next Final Fantasy game.

tl;dr There's a difference between aimed at children and aimed at all audiences. Dora the Explorer is aimed at kids. Pixar movies are aimed at all audiences.

>mute heroes have no development
This is blatantly wrong.

>whereas in FF games you typically have some form of inner turmoil to deal with and overcome.
Which is usually so heavy handed it makes Anakin Skywalker look reasonable.

>>385990478
Dragon Quest has an identity, while FF doesn't. FF is just Squeenix' dumpster fire of ideas, and retards buy it for brand recognition only, but nowadays they only release mediocre games at most so I'm glad to see it's finally dying out. And no,a remake that changes all the things people liked about the game is not gonna save shit.

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>DQX looks fun
>ywn play it
And even if it got a worldwide release, how would it work? Would we be behind like 5 expansions/patches or something?

When's someone going to put this shit thrpugh Google Translate and release a patch
I'll take Vietnamese Dragon Quest over no Dragon Quest for months

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>FF7R will still be an action game because "people don't like turn-based"

>>386001164
>The irony is Final Fantasy is a game that aims more towards pre teen and teenagers and sells primarily to those groups
I completely agree, I wasn't assessing the quality of the games but trying to describe their differences and why I think FF9 isn't anything like DQ all things considered

I don't bother with draque because it's the same old shitty fucking turn-based combat I've been force fed for 20 years.
At least FF made an attempt to escape stagnancy.

>>386001475
I wish Nintendo stepped up and offered Squeenix to pay them for a REMASTER of VII for the Switch. I'd legit buy 3 copies.

>>386001668
modern FF is a fucking failure

>>385990847
because it's a simple turn based rpg with colorful monster designs, okay-good stores, whos stories have simplish plots but with twists, really nice music that knows how to set the mood, and it's light hearted fun with some nice heavy/bittersweet moments generally to keep things from becoming to stale and it's also fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiFr2kShh9Y
https://youtu.be/WVHsYPRHAdw
https://youtu.be/ZbQgddX-M0I

>>386001761
At this point a catastrophic failure is still more entertaining and creative than turn-based combat.

>>386001418
It's an MMO. You should be thankful they're never bringing it over.

This is how MMOs work:
>pay $XXX per year for Y many years
>eventually get bored/sick of the same shit regurgitated over and over again on a never ending treadmill
>quit
>restart
>quit
>restart
>do super-duper hard objective so you can feel like you've "accomplished" something
>quit
>realize the only thing that brings you back are the people you played with
>most of them have quit
>what you really want to do is return to the game you started Y many years ago, but you can't because it no longer exists. the game is different, the people aren't there
>move on with your life having wasted probably over $1000 and half of the best years of your life
The worst single player game is more worthy of playing than any MMO. At least you can replay it whenever you want to and it's the exact game you remember it being

>>386001874
>b-but the turn based combat
not an argument
you're just not the main demographic

I didn't know so many people had issues with turn based rpgs or that they were even anything other than the norm.
Pokemon is still selling millions upon millions and Persona 5 broke a bunch of milestones in the series, the recent DQ threads is the first time I ever even heard of anyone caring if a game was turn based or not.

To be fair I think I've only played 2 rpgs that weren't turn based, Rune Factory 4 and Xenoblade which I couldn't even finish because I hated the combat. Rune Factory's combat was nice.

>>386001680
enjoy final fantasy pinball switchfags

>>386001985
>and half of the best years of your life
Wow that hits hard.
And then you have MMO kiddies screeching when the game they're playing fails to take over their lives.

>>386001761
>Modern
I mean it's been nothing but a failure for the past 16 years already...

>>386002024
I'd enjoy that more than a remake that fucks up the story, the characters and the fucking gameplay.

>>385996617
Shit's unreadable, which means it perfectly captures how Scots talk.

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>>386001418

There's a complete edition on PC and soon to be releasing on the PS4 and Switch. It has the game with all expansions on one disk (or download). All they'd need to do is bring that over. Of course they won't.

>>386001668

The irony is that more people are getting hyped for Dragon Quest XI because it is returning to its roots. Just like BotW hyped Zelda fans. When every JRPG series is trying to run towards action combat and linear cutscenes, a free roaming turn based game stands out.

>>385993138
Nier's director and writer

>>385997776
I haven't played a whole lot of DQ games, just 3 and 9. i fucking love building my own party Do they have a habit of fucking about with their experience/level system? I noticed in DQIX when I benched one of my party to try out another class that it made them earn less XP than the higher leveled ones for no discernible reason besides wasting my time.

>>385998483
Oh god no, FF XII is basically MMOshit but without the online, it's only slightly more tolerable.

>>386000084
>The PS4 has 1080p resolution and the Switch will have 900p

Doesn't the Switch have a bunch of 1080p 60fps games like Splatoon 2?

>>386002752
It has some but most use dynamic resolutions.
Even then Epic games suggests that if you are making a UE4 Switch game that you shooter for 900p and go higher if you have enough headroom.

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>>386001985
>what you really want to do is return to the game you started Y many years ago, but you can't because it no longer exists. the game is different, the people aren't there
Thank god. Ragnarok Online was fun but playing it now would probably be the most cancerous thing ever.

>>386002752
BotW was 900p max (scales down depending on load). DQ11 isn't openworld but it looks a bit better, so I would expect it to be 900p in docked. Probably with something else watered down too, if DQH port is any indication, which ends up looking more like the Vita version than the PS4 version

>>385990478
So has anyone imported it? Those graphics look insane, but is the game actually fun to play?

Does modern DQ still do the stupid nostalgic "i can't see my characters" shit?

>>386002858
>>386003056
Thanks, I don't have a Switch yet so I wasn't sure.

>>385991646
>>385991646
"shipped" and "sold", important difference.

I was just talking about Final Fantasy with a friend a few nights ago.

The series has lost it's identity, the art style alone has become incredibly generic and forgetabble and the designs are solid at best, which when you look at the past, especially 7 which is responsible for incredibly iconic designs, isn't that great.

FF really needs to change it up with the next game, it needs to have a look, it needs to have soul, I'm not even a fan of Dragonquest but if I just saw OP's image I would instantly know that was a DQ game. But if you showed me a FF15 screenshot without me knowing about the game previously, I would very unlikely not realize it was a final fantasy game.

FF was once the king of JRPGs, but no one stayed around to keep it in check and it just became a soulless cashcow that at this point is barely even that.

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>>386003056
DQH also runs on one of the worst engines in the modern industry second only to Gamebryo

>>386003056
DQH probably isn't a good benchmark to base stuff off of since musous always end up fucking abysmal for performance, even on PC

>>385993161
yes

>>386003056
DQH has awful optimisation on everything, even high-end PCs.

>>386003225
Yeah, at this point FF's identity is "Nomura" and "expensive, high-budget cutscenes"

>>385993161
Been playing it whenever I fuck off from work for a few hours for my lunch break.
Related to the story, apparently Taco Bell has an xbox one x giveaway which I found surprising after usually only seeing PS4 campaigns.

>>386003270
Gamebryo isn't a bad engine you memeloving fuck, Bethesda is just incompetent. Go look up the games that've been made with it if you don't believe me.

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>>386003138
Here's the UE4 demo running with Switch setting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWgVHOGEjA
and here's undocked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDW_OfkAUss

It ain't the best since the guy is running it on a 650ti and doesn't even know what the exact resolution is running at but its all we got.
>>386003556
>>386003312
How is the PC port?
I played through 2 on Switch just to see how it was and it was pretty fucking abysmal in any non 1 on 1

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>>386003225

>the game really needs to change it up with the next game
You're asking Final Fantasy to keep killing itself them. The problem with Final Fantasy has always been that it tries to completely change everything with each new game. This sometimes leads to good things, but it also throws away all the good things the previous games did.

What Final Fantasy needs is a guy like Yuji Horii to oversee the series. Someone who's only job is to sit in on production meetings and say yes or no to ideas. Then later the same guy playtests the games during development and point out what needs polishing or changing. As of now, there's 6-8 different teams all making FF games at the same time. And all of those games have wild variations of quality because the games producer and director makes their own calls on what makes a good FF game. So a fan who likes one FF game made by Kitase will probably hate the next one made by Nomura and vice versa. But if every game was overseen by Kitase, then you'd know what to expect from the series. You might not like Kitase, but all the people who did like his vision would stay with the series long-term and new people would jump on board.

>>386001874
Then don't play it.

>>386003742
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDW_OfkAUss
There is *no way* this would run on the Switch, undocked OR docked. Fucking BotW scales down to 600p in handheld mode and that looks several generations less advanced than this does

>>386003742
Hope you have at least a 1070, but even then it's not great.

>>386003742
I can't even play DQH 1 on fullscreen because it apparently fucks with the game.

DQH 2 still has awful optimisation but it's less awful than 1's.

>>386003810
Is the Dragon Quest team independent? If so, that helps too. The Final Fantasy teams get ripped apart and put together on a whim by higher-ups so much it resembles a Frankenstein's monster.

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does the ps4 version worldmap feel like worldmap?
i'm playing the 3ds version and its just a bunch of dq9 tier interconnected areas.
also i hate the camera while you're in a building.

>>386004021
Undocked is 540p-720p in that demo and even then Zelda is open world and this demo is just a small demo area.
>>386004126
PS4 version is the same as the 3DS version with interconnected areas.

But Dragon Quest where always more receptive in japan than any other rpg. Fuck, when DQ7 was announced for PSX I remember nips going nuts for it.

>>386004126
It's the same interconnected areas but on a larger scale.

>>386003810
>The problem with Final Fantasy has always been that it tries to completely change everything with each new game.

The thing is, I-X have always sort of had some sort of coherence. All of them wee fantasy RPGs with TBS or ATB with varying levels of technology.

Then we got an MMO, an offline MMO, three XIII games with gameplay ranging from awful beyond compare to mediocre, another MMO, and a wannabe Kingdom Hearts game whose action gameplay clashes horribly with the FF gameplay elements.

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>>386004021
If you weren't a console warrior, you'd know you can actually optimize a game so it can run on lots of things.
You would also know that UE4 is an efficient engine.

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>>386004249
how do both versions handle flying then?
i cant really imagine flying on 3ds

>>386003810
If it stays with it's current style, both in the visuals and gameplay department, then it's already dead.

Is there an english patch in the works?

It's a sign that people are finally burned out on ARPGs.

Itd time to bring back the AAA turn based JRPG like with P5.

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>>386004690

Yes.

>>386004069

Yes, the main Dragon Quest team is called Armor Project. Which is pretty much just Yuji Horii and his small staff who has worked with him off and on since the Famicom days.

>>386004316

>The thing is, I-X have always sort of had some sort of coherence.
This might have been because Sakaguchi and Kitase worked on them. Even if Sakaguchi kept becoming less relevant and eventually muscled out of Square, he was still there to give ideas on the script and flow of the game. The period when he left was pretty much when Final Fantasy started to spiral out of control.

>>385990478
Not with how much hot garbage its gameplay will be.

>>386004536

Not really since the only thing selling the games right now is the Nomura designs and flashy graphics. Final Fantasy just needs to add a decent story and flow before this current generation of teens grows up.

>>386004808
I can't tell if you being sincere or not with that smug.

Switch version when?
I hope it doesn't run like ass. Those graphics shouldn't be a problem so they better not fuck this up

anyone know if tension is in the game at all?
seems like its just final fantasy limit breaks instead? but if you don't use them in a couple of turns it drains completely.

>>386005062
The game is going to come out in English next year, nobody is going to bother putting out a shit ton of effort to translate a game that is going to be officially translated so soon. There are still resources for those who want to play but don't understand Japanese, some weeb is doing a youtube loosely translated lets play, so you could follow along to get the story and then look things up or ask other people about menus and mechanics. It doesn't really seem worth it to me though.

>>386004536
Honestly I don't think it would hurt to have another mainline FF game that goes a bit closer to it's roots. Have them ask the DQ division how to do decent turn based combat in case they forgot and then throw in the ATB system because of course they will, add in some heavily customizable/exploitable job system or something like it to be the main focus of the combat, keep the overarching plot fairly simple, the characters smaller in number but memorable, and the tone at least a bit lighter than what they currently go for, and maybe even have it be a straight fantasy setting instead of the steampunk/magitek amalgamation it usually goes for if you really wanna go balls to the wall. I feel like, worst case scenario it would land with a bit of a wet thud and probably not be any worse than FFXV, best case scenario it might remind people why the liked the series in the first place.

>>386005062
It might be a trap.

>>386005259
Oh alright, thank you for the reply anon.

>>386005234
Dunno what tension is
There's this thing called zone that seems to happen randomly or if you get hit a lot. Two or more players in the zone can do combos. It'll dissipate if you do a combo, or over time

>>386002319
>because it is returning to its roots
You mean storywise? Because I've been watching gameplay videos and this game looks way more linear than DQ8 and I see no hint of the freedom and exploration the first games had anywhere.

>>386003163
Sold, fucker. SE confirmed

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>>386005234

Some enemies can tension up.

>>385990478
>playing DQ4
>be torneko
>game lets you open a shop
>make shitloads of money reselling the abacus in bulk
>assume the game will carry that money over to Hero once he rejoins my party
>he fucking doesn't give me a dime of the 200k gold i had

YOU CUNT THATS MY MONEY I EARNED YOU

>>386005529

The story is rumored to be tied to the Loto trilogy. But also going back to its roots in gameplay. And quite literally with the 2D graphics on 3DS.

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>>386005685

His loving wife used the money on making loving Bento.

>>386005685
You were supposed to buy up a bunch of items and then liquidate your assets later when you meet up with the hero if I remember right.

>>386005224
gonna be a year for us in the US for both consoles

>>386002017
The problem is pure turn based is fine for 1986.
But when you have good turn based systems like Radiant Hostoria or Breath of Fire V, what does Dragon Quest have over that?
Nothing, it's bare bones and stays because of tradition.
So you have a few classes to choose from in certain entries. Big deal.

I'd rather a combat system like Heroes. Least it's different.

>>386004929

>>386002017
FF fan infighting probably spread to other fanbases.

>>385990478
>i'm sure people will be THRILLED to play as a boys band

>>386002017

People bitch about turn based combat in every DQ thread. It's not about turn based combat, it's just trolls looking to trigger DQ fans. Just like all the cracks about Akira Toriyama and idiotic claims that all DQ games are the same. These are decades old trolling points.

>>385990478
Please don't mention XV when talking about Dragon Quest. The last thing these threads need are XV-kun having an autistic meltdown.

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>>385990478
>Is this a sign that Final Fantasy as a brand is slowing down?

No because DQ has always sold more than FF has in Japan, while FF has always sold more than DQ has in the west.

I honestly don't know what the fuck your point is OP, I also don't know why you are comparing to platforms worth of DQ11 sales to a single platform of XVs sales in Japan.

XV was the first PS4 game to hit 1 million and it did so back when PS4 only had 3m sold.

DQ11 came out on PS4 when they had 5 million PS4 sold.

Not to mention that SE themselves only shipped 1.15 million units of FFXV to Japan and they sold over 1 million so they sold as much as they expected FFXV to sell.

FFXV was directly stated as being the biggest source of revenue for SE in their HD game sector for the past fiscal year.

DQ11s sales on two platforms at launch in Japan are lower than DQ8 and 9s sales on a single platform in Japan were, so if anything it's showing that DQ is slowing down in Japan compared to previous DQ games, while on the other hand FF is increasing in the west compared to previous FFs.

>>385990568
XV is the best FF and it sold more than the other FFs did at launch in the west.

>>385990638
It had a bigger launch because it had a larger installbase. It's that simple really.

>>385990669
>it's a sign that enix has no idea where to go with FF

How when XV was the first PS4 game to hit 1m in Japan and the highest selling FF in the west at launch?

>>385991343
Good thing XV shows there is a clear increase in sales for FF in the west compared to previous FFs.

>>385992041
>>FFXV has sold 5.5 million worldwide

No it has sold over 6m worldwide. This was confirmed in the financial report.

>DQ games could surpass FF games worldwide.
You cannot be this delusional.

>>385993949
>FFXV was clearly a marketing and development clusterfuck
Is that why is was the best selling FF in the US at launch, the fastest selling FF ever and the first PS4 game in Japan to hit 1m?

>>385997336
No you couldn't.

>>386000274
Ignis going blind is darker than any fate to happen to any character in any DQ.

>>386001761
Must be why it sells so fucking much?

>FFXV-kun

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>>386003225
FFs identity is the game that changes for the sake of change while keeping some familiar elements from previous titles. If I saw this pic without knowing what FFXV looked like prior I would still know that this is FF because I can see Leviathan and I can see a pretty girl standing up to Leviathan, I can make the logical assumption that it is FF in a more semi realistic graphical style.

FF has never had a single visual style, Amano's art never looked like the ingame character sprites, only his monster designs did. The chibi sprites never looked like the actual character designs did, the world environment in the PS1 FF always looked different to how the CGI cutscenes portrayed them. It was only once we hit FF10 that the full proportion with environment and battle started because they had the tech to achieve it by PS2.

>>386003810
>The problem with Final Fantasy has always been that it tries to completely change everything with each new game.
No that has been the strength of FF. The reason why DQ doesn't prosper in the west is because everything looks samey.

>>386008064
>the world environment in the PS1 FF always looked different to how the CGI cutscenes portrayed them
Provide some examples.

>>386007662

>No it has sold over 6m worldwide. This was confirmed in the financial report.
Then you won't mind showing that financial report.

>>386007035

I hate to break it to you, but he's already here.

>>385990895
The cheap asses at SE probably assigned like 2 people to the job.

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>>386008064
>>386007662
>>386007620
>>386007324

Oh boy, I wonder who this could be!

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>>386003810
Now days Dragon Quest development is more similar on how Dragon Ball Super is made, Yuji Horii come with a script and a bunch of ideas then he passes to the team developing the game, after they put it in the game they show it to Horii who then decides what to polish and what needs to be redone.

>>386008102

>The reason why DQ doesn't prosper in the west is because everything looks samey.
No, the reason it didn't prosper in the west is a lack of consistent releases and no marketing. Final Fantasy gets half a dozen games every year and some of the highest marketing budgets in gaming history. Wow, it's a real wonder why Final Fantasy sells well and Dragon Quest doesn't.

>s-shut up, its because DQ never changes and is shit!
Yet Pokemon changes even less than DQ and it still outsells Final Fantasy. The reason is Pokemon has even more marketing than Final Fantasy does. We've had this stupid debate before and you always lose FFXV Kun.

There's no way they're going to let midi shit stay in the western release, right?

>>386005413
Like FFIX Trance but with combos?

>>385990478
Squaresoft rules the the echelons of SE, so they will never allow Dragon Quest to surpass FF, except in Japan where they would be publically lynched if they tried to sabotage it

>>386008685
I wish I was a professional idea guy

>>386007620
>>386007720
>at least 10 years of development
>major marketing, an anime, a movie
>E3 coverage before it even changed it's name to XV

Yeah, if only they could release a single FF game every 10 years, right?

when will be released in the west?

>>386009067
How the heck did that happen? Wasn't Square basically bankrupt from their horrible bomb of a CGI movie?

>>386007720
None of that counters the idea that it was a clusterfuck

In fact I think the devs openly admit it was a mess

>>386009132
next year

>>385990478
I'm just one guy but I've never really found a single fun dragon quest game and I've given the series more than one chance.

I at least had fun with over half of the final fantasy games.

>>386008892
Considering they actually took out the orchestra music from the 3DS versions of DQ7 and 8 they just might keep it in.

>>386007620

>Good thing XV shows there is a clear increase in sales for FF in the west compared to previous FFs.
Man FFXV Kun you are truly delusional. FFXV sold less than FFXIII in the west. Let alone FFVII, VIII or X.

>>386008685
Scans when?

I want to get into DQ but I'm afraid I'll love it and I'll just feel bad about the ones that don't get localized.
Also censorship

>>386009424
just play the damn game fag

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so when is it coming out in the west?

>>385991157
>Bring back the Ivalice setting
Why do you want to make Final Fantasy even worse?

>>385992381
They sell the Amazon carton version

>>386009254
All of them are portable 240p releases though. I hope they wisen up for the PS4 and Switch ones.

>>386009140
I can only assume that the Enix heads retardation in terms of business, and keeping their position matches the retardation Square had when it came to making that movie

>>386008456
>he's already here.
ffs. Eat shit, Barry you faggot!!

I just wanted a HD remake of DQ8 desu, but it looks like this is close enough.

>>386009424
all the main games are in english.
the only one thats kinda weird is dq4. the official translation on nintendo DS removed the party chat because fuckheads. so the best version is on phones.

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>>385990847
Dragon Quest is, and always has been, the GTA of the east. It's going to sell like crazy and there is nothing that changes that.

>>386009741

Dragon Quest X is still a main game. And it's never coming over here.

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>>386008354
You think FF7 looks like this in the CGI cutscenes?

>>386009424
>Also censorship

Wot ah yee talkin aboot? No censorship, only accents.

>>386008456
>Then you won't mind showing that financial report.
I literally posted a screencap to the relevant section right here >>386007324

>Create a series called Final Fantasy as a last-ditch effort to keep the company alive
>Follow Dragon Quest's template but go even crazier with the high fantasy theme by adding time travel and robots
>Immense hit
>Over the course of several games continue to merge high fantasy with craziness
>Even more success
>Ramp up the sci-fi while keeping the high fantasy themes
>Even more success
>Make a movie that bombs, have to merge with Enix
>Say "fuck high fantasy, we bishounens and sci-fi now"
>Change battle systems
>Sales fall off a fucking cliff
>Keep going in the bishounen and sci-fi only direction
>Sales keep falling

Meanwhile at Dragon Quest:

>Use Ultima and Wizardry as a template
>Go high fantasy
>Stay high fantasy
>Add depth to the core mechanics without changing the core mechanics
>Keep turn based combat
>Incredibly healthy

All SE needs to do is go back to making Final Fantasy be about what people bought it for. High fantasy with craziness.

>>385990478
That and DQ can sell mega-numbers off nostalgia alone.

But otherwise whether or not FF sales accurately reflect this, I do personally agree FF has slowly gone down the lamer 'n gayer path since X-2 and basically forgot what it was.

>>386008543
How about you actually make an argument instead of posting shitty fanart?

>>386008456
>>386010275
Forgot the link in the other post
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/17q4outline.pdf

>>386008696
>it's the old DQ only doesn't do well because of marketting meme post
Not even bothering with this line of bullshit reasoning from you DQfag.

>>386009131
XV was only 3-4 years of actual development. And the only other E3 it was ever at before it was XV was it's reveal in 2006 which was only to the press. Any showing at 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 was only in Japan and only behind closed doors and never to the general public and only at a single event.

Persona 5 also got an anime by the same people who did XVs anime, and literally had every single badge at E3 with P5 on it.

>>385990478
It's a sign that square haven't made a decent FF since 12. 13 and 15 are both awful, I think 15 might be the worst ever.

>>386009424
It gets only censored in Nintendo releases because muh kids

>>386009167
it was a mess when Nomura was in charge yes.

>>386009296
FFXV sold 1.8m in the first month in the US, FF13 sold 1.3m in the first month in the US, FF7 sold 500k in the first month in the US. You are a fucking idiot.

>>386010514
XV is the best FF though and see >>386007324

Stop replying to him.

>>386010604
How pathetic are you?

>>386010192
nah its a mmo spinoff
no one considers ff11 and ff14 a part of mainline final fantasy either

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>>386010705

Yuji Horii specifically said he considers DQX to be a mainline game. Aside from him obviously naming it Dragon Quest X. The creator of the series trumps your opinion.

Reminder that XV has a lot of missed opportunities in the story simply because of the boyband shit.
- We barely got to know his wife-to-be even though they could have added parts where we play either as her or as young Noct with her instead of short cutscenes
- We didn't get to play during the attack on the castle we reach on our train ride
- DLC to make sure the game can still be released while working on rather important stuff to release afterwards(episode gladiolus)
- attack on insomnia was a fucking clusterfuck because they used some scenes from the movie instead of making it a prologue ingame
- overall awful introduction and if you didn't inform yourself before about the game information was horribly lackluster
- as mentioned before because of all the bromance focus you couldn't get another POV on the things happening
But at least the cutscenes looked good, right?

>>386010539
If you are talking about DQ8, that was censored due to japan's game rating board group.

Japan always liked DQ more than FF. FF was the international RPG, while DQ was Japan's RPG.

What's the surprise?

>Dragon Quest thread
>it's about Final Fantasy
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

>>386001680
Really would prefer if we got a 3DS or Switch remake of V and VI akin to the DS III and IV remakes. Those were great

>>386010238
This is quite possibly the dumbest reply I've ever seen.

The PS1 FF titles used pre-rendered images of the same CGI environments used in the Full Motion Videos for their field maps, that is quite literally the most consistent FF environments have ever looked between in-game and FMV. The overworld map is intentionally simplified, as it has been for every Final Fantasy prior. To post an image of the overworld map is nothing but at cop-out, thanks for making a fool of both yourself and me for even bothering.

>>386010853
That's a comparison between character models. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Has it been so long that it's no longer common knowledge that the environments used for the field maps and Full Motion Videos are literally the same assets? How do you idiots think they were to able to create such seamless transitions between field and FMV?

>DQ thread
>retards keep replying to XV-kun

What's the best way of playing DQ8 nowadays?

>>386011203

PS2, since the 3DS version, despite having a few extra things, looks bad, has longer loading times, butchered soundtrack and censored content.

>>386011203
3DS has more content, PS2 has better graphics. Choose your choice.

>>386011038
The focus of XV is the brotherhood of the bros which is why it's like that, and that is the one thing people praise consistently across the board because of how well it's done for them.

>>386011307
>Butchered soundtrack and censored content
Both of these can be patched in though can't they?
Haven't seen anyone complain about the loading times before though

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>>386011168
>The PS1 FF titles used pre-rendered images of the same CGI environments used in the Full Motion Videos for their field maps


First of all wrong. The CGI FMV cutscenes did not use the same exact CGI as the prerendered backgrounds, and I was specifically talking the world environment, as in the world map environment and chibi nature of all the characters compared to them then being full body proportion in the FMVs. At not point during regular walking around on the field does Cloud ever look like this

FF10 is the one that started closing the gap between the sheer visual difference between the FMVs and actual in game, and XV is the closest we have gotten to having that gap closed as far as visual consistency goes.

>>386011203
3DS has no random encounters, which is a massive plus.

>>386011654
its really fucks up balance though
i wish they made the monsters more aggressive to start encounters. you can sneak past them easily

>>386011168
Please post examples or a source, because this is total bullshit. You do realize that prerendered backgrounds are essentially image files and not fully modeled areas don't you?

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>>386011589
You're an idiot, plain and simple.

Watch this and just try to tell me they're separate environments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcJa5AOMoG0

The pre-rendered image actually looks clearer because it's not a heavily compressed video

>DQ8
>PS2 has better music, super saiyan power-up, random encounters and everyone pulls out their weapons at the start of an encounter
>3DS has more content, new playable party members, Jessica is a love interest and no random encounters, but they changed the music, Jessica's VA and removed the saiyan power-up

Why?

Dragon Quest is so popular in Japan there is a TV show dedicated to parodying it.

>Yo Yoshihiko! Yoshihiko!

>>386011781
That's what I'm saying they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AfR-QR-dVA

Here's another example, the end of this video transitions into a pre-rendered background seamlessly with the character models already moving on a separate plane over the FMV then later the pre-rendered image

>>386007324
Is this the famous XV-kun?

>>386012065
Yes.

>>386012025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhjAbtLEK8

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>>386012025
This show is golden. Are there good subs for season 3 yet? I'm watching it on kissasian and the subs are trash

>>386011781
You are the dum dum, anon
To make your images you still have to model the area first
Of course it's not "fully" modeled, only the parts you see are modeled. Just like any 3D game actually

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>>386012218

>>385990847
Fuck the PS4. It sold 1.1 million+ on the 3DS, and it moved more 3DS units than PS4 units. The Japanese would rather buy a 3DS than a PS4 just to play DQXI. Let that sink in for a moment.

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>>386012332
The FF episode in the latest season was comedy gold.

>>386012332
Funniest thing is this spell actually pays off quite a lot.

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>>386011851
Did you just ignore how the characters suddenly changed visually between those and that itself is massively different visually when out in the field too?

Seriously just look at this and shut up, here is a CGI scene of the FFXV CGI intro https://youtu.be/ccAowOp1ElE?t=55s

Compared to webm related which is an in game real time cutscene in that same location. XV keeps the same scale in every place and cutscene you are in because of that consistent visual style. The older FFs literally were inconsistent in their visual style because of how often it changed from SD to area map to in battle all being different visually.

>>386012431
E N V I R O N M E N T S

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>>386012372

>>385990478
>no voice acting

I won't buy this shit. Couldn't they just hire some new cheap voice actors and give you the option to either choose voice or the shit sounds?

>>386012265
There's a third season? I thought it ended after they defeated the demon lord in the real world.

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>>386012450
Ah yes I remember when FF8 CGI looked like this.

>>386012497

>wah I want shitty cheap voices instead of no voices!
The typical dubfag everyone.

>>386012510
Yeah it was last year. Here http://kissasian.com/Drama/Yuusha-Yoshihiko-to-Michibikareshi-Shichinin

The subs are kinda crap though.

>>386012431
That didn't seem to be a problem in FF1-6

>>386012515
You have literally zero arguments. You flip flop between showing me incosistent environment visuals in FFXV, to showing me character models, to showing me overworld maps which are intentionally stylised as so. But you never manage to refute my point that the same computer generated environment is used in the pre-rendered background images and Full Motion Videos. I have no clue why you so vehemently argue against fact but you are starting to get on my nerves with this.

>>386012515
>He keeps posting 3D interactive menus
ayy

>>386012592
You can't make this shit up.

>>386010554

>I'm gonna cite first month sales instead of lifetime sales so it looks like my point was correct!
FFXV sold less than FFXIII and VII (and VIII and X) in lifetime sales. But I'm sure you'll try to come up with some other bullshit excuse to make your favorite game seem like it did better.

>>386011851
You can literally see the entire screen change when it transitions from FMV to a prerendered background. It's as if they made the FMV, took a screenshot of the final frame, added collision data to it, and made it the background for the rest of that area. Make u tink.

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>>386010361

>I'm not even gonna bother arguing my point
Yeah, because you know it's wrong.

>>386010539

Dragon Quest VIII got 'censored' because the Japanese rating board is going full nazi. They rated Dragon Quest VIII with a CERO A rating back in 2004 but now the same game was going to get a CERO B rating because of Jessica. So they had to comply to their stupid ratings.

>>385992495
>talk to every NPC and interact with every random object in every town until the story decides to move on
Yeah, that's how Dragon Quest tells it's stories.
If you want just to walk from a cutscene to the other, stick to DT.

>>386012783
That's what I'm saying happens, it looks just like the FMV doesn't it? Because it's literally an image of the same environment! Pretty consistent, don't you think? Doesn't look different at all actually! Because it's the same exact computer generated environment!

it really does make me want to step out for a bit of a tink

Any chance of western release?

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>>386012621
The point I'm making is in reply to someone who thinks FF ever had a single visual "identity" despite FF always looking different between games and also looking different between different parts of the games itself.

>>386012641
But it's you who not only failed to read or even bothered looking at the clip I posted, and I mentioned world as in world map, just look how different PS1 FFs look from the world map to in battle to in FMVs.

>>386012946
eventually... maybe

>>386012703
Why would lifetime sales be used when those FFs have been out for years and XV has only been out for months, thus the only valid comparison is comparing them at the same time in their lives? Like what the fuck is this bullshit argument?

FF13 came out in December 2009 in Japan and March 2010 in the west, and it didn't sell 6 million until 2011.

FFXV came out in November 2016 and it sold 6 million by February 2017.

Why the actual fuck would lifetime sales be a valid comparison when one game is only out for a few months compared to games out for literal years and some over a decade? There is no merit to a comparison or argument like that, it's like saying "durr Switch hasn't sold as much as Wii in lifetime sales", like, no fucking shit dickhead, what the fuck is the point in even making that statement?

>>386012946
Yeah, 99.999% chance

>>386012946
It was confirmed a couple days ago. No date yet, but don't expect anything this year.

>>386012946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F32dNXklp2E