Sonic

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YOUR FAVORITE ZONE IS SHIT

>>385986923
This but @ marble garden lovers specifically.

>>385987029
Who the fuck likes Marble Gardens? That spintop gimmick was the worse thing besides the CNZ Barrel. Pisses me off it returned in Generations.

>>385987385
They try to justify it by saying it's "platforming". Like okay yeah the spinning platforms are platforming, but everything else is absolute pace killing. Marble Garden defenders can get fucked.

I WANT R O C K Y R O A D I C E C R E A M

So will Mania end with Eggman as the final boss, or the Hard Boiled Heavies?

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Aquatic Ruin is underrated and i'm sick of people pretending that Hydrocity is the only good water level

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>>385986923

>>385988151
I agree with you. Hydrocity is still my favorite though.

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>>385988151
I agree, I wish it did more while underwater though. I also find Tidal Tempest to be an alright water level.

>>385988151
This. Anyone who likes Aquatic Ruin is a winner in my book.

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>>385988115
The hard boiled heavies come together as a Megazord with Eggman piloting it.

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>>385986313
Recommend me good Sonic romhacks.

>>385988480
Nah, It'll be like Advance 3. Sonic and Eggman will have to team up to stop them.

>>385988707
You can play my old hack from back in the day, Sonic 1 Pixel Perfect. You can only play through Green Hill, and a little bit of Marble unfortunately. Also don't mind the two random monitors at the start of GHZ1, we were adding extra monitors before development stopped. We had done custom art for all of the stages except Starlight, but if I remember right we also changed the stage select code, so you won't be able to see it.

A few years back some Russian asshole combined what we had with some other guys hack and released it as Pixel Perfect Ultimate, so I suppose you would have a more complete experience playing that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqSyW_Z6qgc

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Will Sonic Mania help Sonic's reputation at all?

>>385989370
Probably not. With Forces' release is such close proximity Sonic's reputation won't change much outside the fanbase

It's an outlier for sure

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>>385986923
Nah. They're pretty great.

A+
>Emerald Hill
- My favorite intro level in the entire series. It gets a lot of flak for being a Green Hill clone but I find it couldn't play farther from. Green Hill focuses on allowing the player to build speed once they've learned to time their jumps and rolls through the stepped hills and slopes. Its the best designed zone from the first game with exploration kept local to the main paths. Emerald Hill instead grants speed off the bat and opts to penalize the yet unfamiliar for running blind with zone hazards and badniks, keeping a more open air design with fewer nooks.
>Chemical Plant
Remember when I said Green Hill had decently lineated main paths with exploration kept sort of in the immediate vicinity off in nooks and such? Chemical plant is that design philosophy perfected. God damned near perfect zone.
>Hydro City
Amazing sound track, great sections of speed, fantastic exploration. The best showcase of high path/low path penalty/reward dichotomy in the series. Amazing zone.
>Flying Battery
I love Wing Fortress but find it lacking in areas. It feels under cooked a bit. I love Metropolis but it can be a bit rough on the edges. Flying battery is the best design elements of both with a heap of polish added, a phenomenal theme song, and great bosses. My all time favorite mechanical stage.

A
>Green Hill
>Starlight
>Aquatic Ruin
>Casino Night
>Mystic Cave
>Metropolis
>Ice Cap
>Mushroom Hill
>Death Egg (3&K)

B
>Scrap Brain
>Hill Top
>Wing Fortress
>Angel Island
>Launch Base
>Palmtree Panic
>Stardust Speedway

C
>Marble
>Spring Yard
>Oil Ocean
>Sky Chase
>Marble Garden
>Lava Reef
>Hidden Palace
>Sky Sanctuary
>Collision Chaos
>Tidal Tempest

D
>Labyrinth
>Carnival Night
>Metallic Madness
>Sandopolis

F
>Wacky Workbench

Final Bosses:
>S3 Big Arms > Death Egg Robot (3&K) > Death Egg Robot (2) > Final Zone > Doomsday Zone > Metallic Madness

Special Stages:
>Sonic 3&K > S1 > S2 > SCD

Overall:
>S3&K = S2 > S1 > SCD

>>385989370
Sort of. I think it's gonna prove that it's possible to make a proper high-quality 2D Sonic in this day and age but Forces is the bad meme waiting to happen and is coming out right on Mania's heels, so we can probably look forward to a lot more ridicule coming our way.

The best water level is all of them.

>>385989702
I think this is the correct answer. Mania will receive positive reviews, but Forces will meme it up and create a negative backlash on the game. Then the gaming public will start to question if Sega even knows what to do with the brand, pointing that the new guys were able to do something better than Sega has done in the past 10 years.

>>385989915
>Ten years
You mean 20?

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>>385989702
So why do people hate Forces so much? I have yet to see anything about it that looks horrible enough to deserve the amount of shit it's getting. Is it just because it's bringing some edge back to the series? If it was extremely lighthearted and goofy like Colors would people be ok with it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMenKEwpps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMenKEwpps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMenKEwpps
SPREAD
THE
WORD

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>>385990042
Why does this guy sound like a kid who just discovered swearing? He's annoying to listen to.

>>385989370
before Boom came out Sonic's reputation was actually improving. It's a series full of highs and lows and hopefully Mania will bury the whole "sonic was never good" narrative that got big after Boom

>>385989989
I meant 10, as I enjoyed the GBA games including Battle.

>>385989829
Labyrinth is not good.

>>385990009
The design just doesn't look fun, the only part that looks fun to me is the Modern Sonic stage and that takes a minute from what i've seen and is heavily automated. OC wisp shit looks obnoxious, OST for the most part is straight up bad to me, as if it were a take on 'kids are into lotus juice, right?'. The talking is obnoxious as fuck in stages as well.

Not saying it has no chance of being good, but i'm pessimistic, and I started optimistic.

>>385990042
stop shilling your own channel Cybershell we already know you go on here.

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>>385988151
fun stage

>>385990009
I actually think Forces looks alright, but there's no way in hell it's going to help the public perception of Sonic. It's pretty much everything that people like to complain and meme about with Sonic: lots of talking friends, edgy villain, and fucking OCs, and it doesn't even have the great soundtrack that even the bad games have.

>>385990042
The real Sonic 4 would be called Sonic 4.
Why are Sonicfags so annoying when it comes to naming? Sonic 2006 is actually Sonic Adventure 3, even though it's not called Sonic Adventure 3? Sorry, it plays more similar to Sonic Adventure more than any other game so it's suddenly the third iteration.

>>385990009
Don't get me wrong I'm not against Forces but the game isn't generating hype like Mania.

The game will be slightly above average gameplay and a story with tons of Sonic characters PLUS it's got an OC creator. It may as well have normalfag repellent slapped on the back of the case.

>>385989318
>You can play my old hack from back in the day, Sonic 1 Pixel Perfect

Which faggot were you? There were 3 of you that worked on PP

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>>385987029
>>385987385
Go fuck yourself.

Marble Gayden is best zone, ZOTYAY

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>>385990359
Did you miss the part where 99% of Sonic fans are on the spectrum?

>>385990009
I don't hate Forces it just looks meh to me. Like they have no idea what direction to take Sonic and are just sticking to what works. Playing it safe (in terms of gameplay) is the easiest way of guaranteeing we won't get another disaster but it's also pretty boring. You can tell they're trying their hardest to appeal to everyone but it's a jack of all trades situation.

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Even though it's my least favorite stage in 3, I'd love to see this background updated for Mania.

>>385988151
I still like Hydro the most but Aquatic is still respectable.

>>385988151
I feel like Mania is going out of its way to use all of my least favorite old zones.

I'd love to see Mystic Cave, Marble Garden, Sky Sanctuary (though I think Generations was already enough), or Wacky Workbench.

>tfw member of sonic retro
>tfw got past pending approval

>>385988151

https://youtu.be/DZA9tLrQQRI?t=3m20s

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>>385990009
The EDGE is one thing. The bigger concern is that it just looks fucking ugly so far.

The reveals for Unleashed, Colors, and Generations were all gorgeous. Forces looks like it could be an iPad game. The 2D gameplay especially looks dismal.

>>385990009

Forces looks like more of the same without any of the improvements that existed between Unleashed to Colors and Colors to Generations. If anything, it looks like a regression.

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>>385990964
>Forces looks like it could be an iPad game.

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>>385990964
Hasn't Forces been in development since Lost World? it honestly looks like they made it in a year what the hell has Sonic Team been doing for all that time? Puyo Puyo doesn't take THAT much effort.

>>385990042
Why do you guys like this man so much? His cursing and tone is too grating.

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>TFW we will never get a Adventure era styled game that pandered to me ever again

What species/gender will your OC in Forces be?

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>>385991183
Switch was a mistake. I say this as a Switch owner. I fucking love BotW. But Splatoon 2 isn't even as good as the original game.

>>385989318
man, watching that video whomever made that really phoned it in after just two zones.

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>>385988707
Has nobody tried hacking the Drop Dash in the original trilogy?

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>>385991783
Big fat bat tats, but they won't allow it.

>>385991238
I think they worded is that it's been in development since lost worlds, so that could mean it could have started development a year or two after lost world

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>>385991792
I don't own a Switch. Honestly I'm still peeved over getting robbed with the Wii U and the lackluster support of the Wii. Original Splatoon was fun though.

>>385991802
The original final release was only one zone and everything after was incomplete. It got Frankensteined into what you see in the video.

>>385991962
still phoned in. like great job for making it a full game but it loses steam super fast.

Update from the voss leak earlier today:
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/06/14/sonic-mania-boss-details-leaked/
On here they have a transcript and a link to the GiantBomb podcast where the boss was leaked. If you follow the transcript (starts around 22:45) the line about the boss fight was removed. This basically confirms it, right?

>>385991283
I am not knowledgeable on Sonic level design.

Is this good?

>>385991941
that makes more sense because I keep hearing about how it lacks polish and focus which is crazy for a game that was supposedly 4 years in development

>>385991792
>Splatoon 2 isn't even as good as the original game.
How? I thought it was the original with more content?

HURHUEHUEHUEHURHUEHUEHUEHURHUEHUEHUEHURHUEHUEHUE

>>385992182
it's about the same length as a 3&K stage and curves a plenty which is good. The worst sonic design is extremely boxy in a poor attempt to emulate mario. You want the stages to make as much use as Sonic's physics as possible

>>385992270
You can't look at the map anymore without pressing a button to cover your whole fucking screen, which throws the main gameplay gimmick of the original out the window.

The new stages and music are extremely bland and forgettable compared to the first game. The best stages from the original so far are nowhere to be seen.

The specials have all been replaced with extremely nerfed versions, so Ranked isn't half the fun and mayhem it used to be.

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>>385991283
276 screenshots later & I believe I am now actually fully done (at least with what footage we have available to us) with Mania's Green Hill Act.2. This updated version adds a bit of the bottom section after the tube in what would normally be the original Act.3 and a whole new top-section in what would be the beginning of the brand new portion of the level.

>>385992182
Yes it is, it shows the levels are being heavily modified & updated with brand new paths & locations. The design is also very similar to Sonic 3 & Knuckles level design which a lot consider to be the best.

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>>385992415

>>385992872
>>385991283
I'm not a fan of the floating chunks of rock in the remixes. GHZ did not have floating hills. Just the occasional pads.

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>>385992705
how are the controls? because I liked the gyro controls in the first game. Honestly it's the closest consoles got to mouse shooting.

>>385991945
Wii was worth it to me because I used it to play all three Paper Mario games, plus Zack and Wiki is one of my favorite games ever.

Best thing about Switch is the disjoint controllers, but even then the horrible L/R buttons are crippling.

>>385992415
Where is the claw taking her?

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>>385988151
>tfw Aquatic Ruin Zone is your favorite Zone from Sonic 2
>sheer tranquility of the stage design, minimal interference from bots
>lush, beautiful forest, with a mountain in the background, complete with a pristine lake
>actually manages to be a water level without being a shit one

Aquatic Ruin Zone is pure kino mang.

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Has Yuji Naka ever seen an actual airshsip in his life?

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>>385992872

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>>385992985
They're still okay but the controller options for Switch don't work as well as GamePad did, at least for me.

>>385993132

Have you?

>>385993132
it's just painted to look like the sky, or eggman put in a cloaking device that only works on those specific spots for some reason.

>>385993132
his expertise is programming not designing

>>385988151
Best music in the entire series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WbFERgkl88

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>>385993060
To Sonic Mania

>>385993132
I don't think they expected anyone to make a map, it feels fine when you play it.

Has anyone mapped Flying Battery?

Do we know which special stage they will use for Mania?

>>385992210
Back when Sonic Boom was being released there was a guy coming here on /v/ telling us stuff about it's story line to prove he was a legit leaker, everything he said was true and he said the only game sonic team was working on was a game called "Sonic Runners" that was written on a whiteboard.

Now we know that sonic runners was a real thing and it was before the game was announced so I imagine the leaker was legit. So what this means is that Forces would have started development after October 2014 maybe even after March 2015 which was when runners was released.

>>385993490

Completely new.

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>>385993490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcblxrrE0Q

I've been away for a day or 2. Has there been any real leaks for mania yet?

>>385993636
So do the other spheres end the stage like in 3&K or do they just slow you down like the bombs in Sonic Heroes?

>>385993792
That we don't know. All we have is a screenshot

>>385993792
It looks more like CD's UFO stages, but the blue spheres speed you up. You can even see the UFO on the far right.

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Am I the only one who's not a big fan of some of Tails' sprites in Mania? His flying sprite looks really shitty, almost like it's from a shitty fangame made in Sonic Worlds.

>>385993943
To be honest, I'm not super fond of any of the sprites.

Though I could still appreciate anyone who could dump them.

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>>385993636

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>>385993427
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The game is going to get tons of negative reviews from people complaining that the game blasts you into enemies you can't see, the speed makes you loose control, the game is poorly designed, ect. This is going to be forefronted by journalists like Jim Sterling, which leads to Kotaku/Youtube figures to respond the same, leading to the Lets Player crowd jumping in to trash on this game as well. Reddit and NeoFag communities are not even going to bother touching it because their bad ass video game idols are telling them not to

The game is going to fail hard while Forces gets the same treatment but lives due to advertising to children and physical copies. Whitehead and the others won't be invited back into SEGA because of this disaster. Mania is an amazing game that is coming out during a period where people can't handle basic gameplay mechanics and are willing to fall towards idolization to help them instead of deciding themselves.

>>385993792
You're trying to destroy the UFO like in CD except instead of running around the map it's a race to catch it

I feel like the spheres are probably charging a boost meter which is probably the thing at the top so I'd say it's kinda like the Sonic Generations 3DS special stage

>>385993930
because the point is to gain enough speed to reach the UFO and get the emerald right? I'm just not sure if other spheres are to purposely hinder you (like in Sonic 2 with the bombs taking rings away) or end the stage completely like touching a red sphere.

Guess we'll find out when it comes out

Scrap Brain and Death Egg who's better?

>>385994187
Scrap Brain. You have shit taste if you say otherwise. The only thing Death Egg (S3&K) has over Scrap Brain is bosses.

>>385994187
Death Egg obviously. Those rotating platforms in Scrap Brain are obnoxious

>>385993943
I actually like Tails the most in comparison to the old sprites.

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>>385994109
I'd laugh if I wasn't actually worried about this being a possibility.

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>>385994109
>is Sonic Mania the dark souls of 2d platformers?
I honestly lost faith in modern gamers years ago and the mainstream isn't ready for a new 2d Sonic game. These are the same people who struggle with Sonic 2 ffs

>>385994619
That fucking Crash Bandicoot thing, Christ.

>>385994109
Truly the worst possible timeline
>ftw Arin Hanson loses Taxman and Stealth their dream jobs

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>>385994109
>we live in a timeline where this is an actual possibility
at least taxman can just go indie if this fails

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>>385994109
>this could either result in a sonic renaissance or doubling down on the "sonic was never good" narrative.
when are the reviewer codes coming in? I need to know the consensus now. We all know we're going to love it but we're the target audience.

>>385994046
neat

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>>385994109
I have been genuinely worried about this shit. Taxman and Stealth will deliver an amazing game but critics will destroy it for sucking at these types of games so badly. If one critic gives it a shitty review first we might witness a snowball effect.

http://nichegamer.com/2017/07/10/the-reception-of-sonic-mania-will-help-sega-figure-out-the-direction-of-future-titles/

This is really stressful.

>>385995345
I meant this hypothetically like a bad possibility/timeline.

>>385991817
s1 mania edition

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>>385994109
this is terrifyingly plausible, we really are in the worst timeline after all

>>385994692
To be fair didn't the remake have fucked up physics?

>>385995616
Crash in the remake has a pill shaped hitbox so he can slip off of ledges that would never happen in the originals. In other words you need more precision than ever. I see veteran players adapt to it quickly while lesser players complain about it more.

>>385995616
in some areas but for the most part the problem was just that the physics were different from the originals. Everyone went back to play the originals and got their asses kicked since it was so different. You eventually warm up to them though. Crash 1 time trials suck though because the game wasn't built to speed through.

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>>385994109
I've been worried about this in the back of my head for a while now since gamers & reviewers are really just this bad nowa days but I'm still clinging onto hope just due to this E3 thing & apparently there being a "voice from the kids that they actually like pixelated and 2D Sonic too".
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/07/06/sonic-manias-reception-will-help-sega-figure-direction-future-sonic-titles/

Of course that snowball effect could happen, I know for a fact Jim Sterling is going to shit on this game after he defended Sonic 4.

>>385995616
I've never played the originals, so can't comment, but it really wasn't that bad on PS4. Except the time trials in Crash 1, but I hear those were tacked on.

>>385994046

I could never find a single Giant Ring in Flying Battery across multiple playthroughs, and now I finally see why.

>>385995794
If Crash can get away with the hitbox and still have good reviews, then Mania better get good scores even though memes will ruin that chance

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>>385995345
The fact that we're getting another Sonic game of this caliber is a blessing in and of itself. Critics be damned.

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I neeeeeeeeeeeeeed more sonic injected into my veins

>>385996070
Before looking at the layout I always thought it made sense because I assumed the giant rings were native to Angel Island and Flying Battery is not.

>>385995794
A game built around precision and platforming fucking with precision and platforming is pretty dumb though

>>385996320
It's only a problem in Crash 1 when ND didn't realize precision platforming in a 3D platformer was ridiculously hard. Even the original was tough (you couldn't die for ANY of the gems). The REAL problem of N Sane Trilogy are the jet ski levels which are horrible

>>385994046
The only one i managed to find was the second, and definitively wasn't by pushing the spike

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if critics bash it then it'll just be an underrated gem from a generation that sucked at video games.

>>385993132

Looking at maps of Sonic stages feels weird.

>>385996797
why?

Hi! I'm playing the Genesis Sonic games right now and was wondering if they get better? I really love the feel of Sonic and his movement, but I feel like the level design doesn't utilize it. I played a lot of the Advance games as a kid and I seem to remember them being a lot more fast paced than this (Sonic 1)

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>>385994109
No. Fuck you. I refuse to believe this timeline can even feasibly happen, no matter how retarded Arin, Sterling and IGN are.

I could write paragraphs on why this game can't possibly fail regardless of how retarded the above, Redditors and children are, but I'll sum it with the fact that the literal best possible set of people working on this game, are working on this game. The only thing hurting this game is the lack of offline marketing, because there are people that loved 2D Sonic but have surprisingly never heard of this game.

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>have a ton of games in my backlog
>all I've been playing repeatedly is the main Sonic trilogy and CD

This hype train has no breaks

>>385996890
Yes
Much better

>>385995345
I mean that fat fuck sterling is gonna rip into it regardless. Even ignoring sonic opinions I don't know how people even like him. His whole schitck is pretty embarrassing.

>>385996890
They do definitely get better, Sonic 1 is rough around the edges most would agree on when it comes to it's level design. Sonic 2 gives you a better time with his speed & physics, CD does the opposite of this & focuses on exploration more and 3&K basically perfects all of this & mixes everything together wonderfully giving you good speed, room to play with physics & exploration that pays off in various ways and Mania seems to be doing the same.

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This man directed the best Sonic game(s) of all time. Say something nice about him.

>>385997148
Cool glasses

>>385996890
Sonic 1 is rough around the edges and the series really kicks off with 2.

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>played Sonic 1
>played Sonic 2
>played Sonic 3 Complete
>played Sonic 3 and Roastie the Rascal
All within the last two days. What's left to play until Mania?

>>385997493
Ace Combat 4

>>385997493
try out the advance games. 1 is good while 2 & 3 are decent but very flawed

just don't get the emeralds it isn't worth the hassle

>>385997595
I thought 2 was just a better 1

>>385994721
Why do tget associate with GameGrumps when they do nothing but shit on their games? How's the Unleashed playthrough going, haven't bothered watching even though its constantly in my recommendations.

>>385997679
I think it's ironic

>>385997672
in some ways it is but the level design isn't as good.

>>385997714
fair

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How can other zones even compete?

>>385997995
why is lava reef so fucking sexy?

>>385997995
I hope Mania does double dip so we get this zone, it's my second favorite from S&K right behind Flying Battery.

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>>385997995
>it's not in Mania

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>>385993636
Rank the Special Stages In order of favorite theme to least favorite theme

CD(JP/EU) > Mania > 3&K > 2 > 1 > CD(US)

>>385993636
>background based on sonic 1
>blue spheres from 3
>UFO from CD
>even has "rings used as time" from knuckles chaotix

even the fucking special stage is a goddamn smorgasbord of homages.

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>look up lava reef
>find these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMYoxY4n3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YQmSBKENVA

>>385998858
>chunky saturn era models
it's fucking perfect

>>385998831
CD JP > 2 > 3 > CD US > 2 > 1

>>385991356
He had the highest quality and one of the first let's plays of the classic sonic games. Pretty nostalgic for me to see that he's back at it.

>>385991356
I resonate with his autistic anger

>>385998831

CDJP>Mania>2>3K>CDUS>1

>>385991356
he put a lot of effort into his LPs in an era where recording your TV with a video camera was still a thing

3&Ks special stage music drove me insane

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>>385999446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_SW1vr3qdE

>>385990779
>I'd love to see Mystic Cave, Marble Garden, Sky Sanctuary (though I think Generations was already enough), or Wacky Workbench.

Maybe we'll see them in Mania 2?

>>385990779
lava reef never gets any love

>>385999806
fuck this is giving me Vietnam flashbacks

>>385998291
>there's 5 giant rings in Lava Reef 2
WHAT

>>385999806
I can perfect all 14 emerald challenges but I get so tired of the special stage music. I don't even hate it. I think it's good music, but it used to give me anxiety

>>386000162
They want you to get the Super Emeralds anon

>>386000162
the knuckles portion of 3&K got too crafty with their ring locations

>>385989318
>Sonic 3D Blast music
you're alright

>>385990150
Excuse me you do not refer to King Cybershell as a kid

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>>385994109

>>386000162

It makes sense, Lava Reef is close to the hidden palace, so more entrance ways.

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>holding right

>>385995616

The physics are based on Crash 3 and changed from game to game, but in Crash 1 the level design brings out the differences and some people can't handle that it isn't 1:1 since floor detection isn't as generous as before.

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>>386001836
I made one based on the original

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>>386002193
the man, the myth, the legend

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>>386002193
I made it based on this one, but I like yours better.

>>386002263
The disprover of casuals

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>>385994109
I fully expect this to happen.

At least we got one last good game.

>>385998831
CD(US) > 3&K > CD(JP) > Mania > 1 > 2

stop the hateboner for the US soundtrack just because it's gaijin-made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr6ARSYo8Rw

>>385997572
>Literally have the Ace Combat PS2 Trilogy coming in the mail this week.
I am literally (figuratively) ejaculating!

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>>386002689

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>>386002393

Are all of you morons forgetting the fact that Sonic 4 Episode 1 got positive reviews from all major press sites during the peak of Sonic game shitting?

>>386002857
>homing attack
>shit physics
>came out before the "Sonic was never good" meme

>>386002857
Sonic 4 is barely like the classic games though.

>>386002857
different time. Back then the classic titles were actually respected

Said it from the very start, this game is going to be the last sinking ship, sonics final stand against the coming army of autism, before forces washes over it like a fucking plague and mania does the terminator thumbs up as it is engulfed in the poisen. Everything is looking towards this game not selling, 11 days away from release and it is on NONE of the front page consoles, none f them. They have shovel ware everywhere and the worst indie hair games but a game like mania? Nor noes have no idea it's coming out unless you search for it. The best marketing is coming on the 14th, even then, if that hate hyper bowl effect happens, game is fucked regardless l. Oh, and reminder, people will actively try to push a hate mania agenda to try and make everybody hate it. Go on, tell me nobody is that autistic enough, I dare you. Remember what year and timeline you're in. Mania has always been too good to be true.

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>>386002973

The press bias has been a thing long before the "Sonic was never good" meme was even a thing.

>>386003001

It was fucking sold as a "return to classics" and the press ate that fucking shit up. If Sonic 4 can get an 80 from IGN then Mania will not have an issue breaking that. Especially when all the pre-release reception has been overwhelmingly positive.

>>386003101

It was not a different time. Piss off with that shit. Sonic games were seen as a joke then just as much as they are now, if not more. You're all forgetting that 4 came out before Sonic Colors, Sonic and the Black Knight and Sonic Unleashed were the most recent entries and Sonic 06 was still fresh in everyone's minds. Not to mention the "Sonic Cycle" meme that as circulating around at the time.

>>386003260
i gonna start a plan to help forces bomb when it comes out. somethin about articals saying its inappropriate or something and moms eat it up. i need time to think.

>>385997679

They picked the Wii version.

Best level coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7gG5Ta6YCU

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>>386003260
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>>386001482
So what if it fails? So what if Sonic shrivels up and dies and a franchise?

We got to experience one last good Sonic game, and thats honestly all I need. Its been over 20+ years, at least its all going out with a bang

>>386003773
is that good or bad? I honestly clocked out of Sonic after 06 until 4 episode 1

>>386003930

It's the worst version.

>>386003260
Call me delusional, but I believe Mania will start selling the most once people realize Forces is more Colors garbage instead of Generations and they go complain on the internet why Sonic sucks.

>>386003984
Not a shock. Didn't they play the version of Adventure that was a port of the PC port which was a port of the Dreamcast version?

>>386003984
In theory PS2 should be even worse.

>>386004070
Actually, it was a PC port of the 360 port of the original PC port of the Dreamcast version.

>>386004070

I think so.

>>386004169

PS2 doesn't use motion controls.

>>386004241
Performance wise, that is.

When will Sega port Sonic Adventure 2 to the Nintendo Switch?

>>386004286
they'd just use the same damn port they've used for years with no updates. Sega clearly doesn't give a shit since they lose source code for their games constantly

>>386004241
use a gamecube controller pleb

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>>385986923
>Sky chase
You are objectively right but I still love it.

>>386004447
I don't care, I just want the bitter struggle for going for all emblems again but on a portable platform it.
I hunger for it's abuse.

>>385990723

I never understood why/how there was a theme park on the island.

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>>385997148
Which?

>>386005452
the best one

>>385988151
I fucking love Aquatic Ruin. The chill music is a definite plus as well.

>>386004608
Sky Chase isn't bad nigger

>normies from reddit trying to say how good forces looks

STOP

>>386005921
Doesn't look all that great but I'll still find enjoyment out of it.

>>386005303
As a kid unaware of the full canon of the series it made sense to me as I just assumed the islands were fucking huge and the human and animal worlds were separate enough that you could see constant proof of human life no matter where you went without actually running into any humans aside from Robotnik who was clearly meddling.

Any real leaks yet?

>>385994109
If this was going to happen, it would have happened after the Sonic CD remake in 2011, and TaxStealth wouldn't have gone on to make Sonic 1 and 2's remakes in 2013.

I still think there's a chance that you're right, though, and it's scary.

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>>386006323
Yeah, we've got tons of information on Nigger Sonic & this sick port on this calculator.

>>385990009
It looks like Sonic's Reused Asset Adventure to me, and the DA edgeshit is a 100% turn off for me and I'm pretty sure most other normies that would even consider playing it.

Also the killing blow is that it doesn't look fun.

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>>385996916
>The only thing hurting this game is the lack of offline marketing
>he doesn't know

>>386006578
How about in the West?

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>>386006578

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>>386006606
Fair point there.

Which is odd. I thought Sonic wasn't nearly as popular in Japan as he is/was in the West.

>>385992705
>he liked constantly getting nuked by OP specials
Shit taste detected. The Switch is worth the buy just so I can play video game soon all the time without being a shut-in.

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>>386006578
hey Sega, you should of done this for your biggest market too. digital hype is all Mania's got in the states

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>>386006714
Yeah, I thought the same myself but have seen similar images to the ones you're posting, it's really fucking weird. At least we got a sick ass site for Mania due to it:
http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicMania/

HELP

Other anons probably already asked this, but for the PS4 preorder of Mania am I supposed to receive avatars+themes right away or at the day of release? Suffice to say I didn't get crap. Should I raise Sony?

>>386006865
digital hype is pretty much all you need these days though

>>386006714
A lot of things gets ads in Japan

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>>386006875
cool website

>>386006906
I got mine upon preorder.

>>386006865
it's possible that Sega is really pushing Mania due to Japan's love of 2d combined with the lower sales Sonic usually gets. You don't have to try as hard in markets you know that are attainable.

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Daily reminder the half-pipe special stage is the patrician's definitive choice. Any attempt to argue this fact will be dismissed.
Thank you for your time.

>>386006875
>japs get the red model 1
Shamefur dispray.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_xENrYHM4

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>11 days

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>>385990009
I don't hate Forces. I'm mostly just disappointed with, and thus ambivalent towards, it.

In 2006, Sonic 06 lowered the bar to unseen depths.

In 2008, Sonic Unleashed raised it significantly.

In 2011, Generations followed suit, and raised the bar even more.

In 2016, Mania's reveal alone raised the bar to heights I'd completely given up on seeing the franchise ever reach again.

Also in 2016, Forces shows that Sonic Team is incapable of raising the bar higher than Generations did. And in 2011, that would have been cool. Unfortunately, they revealed Mania first.

BOOST:
On one hand, it's nice to see that they're doing Boost, rather than something like Lost World.

On the other hand, from what they've shown, it looks like the same old shit at best, and a step back at worst. I'd expect some solid innovation after 6 years. Yet shit's still looking linear as fuck, still 2D shit, no multiplayer, and there are no other playable characters besides Modern Sonic.

CLASSIC:
On one hand, it's nice that Classic Sonic is getting some love. After all, his presence was literally the most hype thing about Generations for me.

On the other hand his presence here is superfluous. He already has a game in Mania, and his gameplay is given much more care in Mania. And if he was kept in Mania, he wouldnt be around to further fracture the development between multiple games.

OC:
On one hand, it's a perfect fandom meme to incorporate into the game for some meta-commentary, intentional or not.

On the other hand, it gets its own gameplay style that isn't Boostshit. I'm down for Boostshit. I'm down to see Boostshit given some gameplay diversity through subtle gameplay tweaks. I dont want to play a largely 2D mediocre-looking run n gun. I signed up for Boostshit. I'll sign up for this crap when they spend a full game focusing on fleshing it out and polishing it well enough to stand on its own.

If something can't stand on its own, it belongs as a minigame.

>>386007891
I think sonic team want to play it safe after the fucking disaster that Boom was

>>386007960
They're playing it safe by including Classic Sonic, and yet they're being excessively adventurous with this third gameplay style.

>>386007258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks7euyjNoF8

Blue Sphere is just more involved because of the increasing speed and you can even get a perfect bonus on the first time if you have good timing, half pipe is sort of like you can still get the emerald, but your first time will be choppy, as recognizing the patterns requires a huge deal of focus. Maybe that's what you mean by patrician.

>>386007465
What does Japan actually think of Sonic Mania? Are they concerned about gaijins making a new sonic game?

>>385988151
sonic 2 really blew me away by the second zone

hydrocity is just water and brown bricks

>>386008071
it's going to sell anyways. An OC creator was the logical step for an autistic fanbase like this even if it's bad.

>>386008181
I don't think there's anything wrong with an OC maker. It's giving it its own unique playstyle that's dumb.

Imagine being able to make your own character in Sonic 3K, but you could only play them in the special stages and bonus stages. What's the fucking point?

>>385990395
kids love it

>>386008071
the OC gameplay sections aren't exactly re-inventing the wheel though

>>386008365
Kids don't give a shit about Sonic. This whole buzz is just Adventurefags starving.

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I played CD again today and I realized something I haven't been able to come to terms with, until now that is.

It kind of sucks

GREEN HILL
SCRAP BRAIN
CHEMICAL PLANT
MYSTIC CAVE
COLLISION CHAOS
STARDUST SPEEDWAY
HYDROCITY
AZURE LAKE
FLYING BATTERY
LAVA REEF

STUDIOPOLIS
MIRAGE SALOON
SAKURA SYNAGOGUE
???
???
NEW FINAL ZONE

>>386006780
>that guy on the bus playing bing bing wahoo

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>>386008284
hey man it's Sonic Team, adding unnecessary playstyles is their specialty.

>>386008502
>Kids don't give a shit about Sonic

Speak for yourself, pedophile.

>>386008524
Thems fightan words anon.

>>386008524
You didnt know that? Sonic 1, 2, and CD suck ass. Sonic 3 is the first and only good classic sonic

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You know, it's not like we need to worry about if Mania undersells or flops at all. Even if it does, the demand for another Mania-like title will increase, and SEGA will have to give into those demands if they want to have the Sonic fanbase have a resurgence.
In fact, either way, Mania's going to have good sales, or at least a good following. Even if Forces takes over Mania in those aspects, everyone's going to go fucking crazy over the music. Stardust Speedway Act 1 sounds godlike, there's no doubt people will play the game for the music.

>>386008596
What did he mean by this

>>386008638
Everytime I see "FORCES WILL OUTSELL MANIA" in these threads with a picture attached of a person drinking or something it's made by the same people that just like to for some reason wallow in self-made "what if" misery that I just don't understand.

>>386008673
He means there's no such thing as people who have been fans since the beginning, only pedos looking for booty.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5iLGWqg4M
>mfw listening at half speed

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>>386008738
is this just a more sophisticated way of saying sonic was never good?

>>386008915
Nah you're just cynical

>>386008524
Me but with 1. CD is fine though.

>>385992705
>main gameplay gimmick was having a map on the gamepad
If you truly believe that, you are some form of stupid

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>>386009464
Can you please stop posting that rom hack.

>>386009671
you madman

>>386008638
>SEGA will have to give into those demands if they want to have the Sonic fanbase have a resurgence

Haven't they made it clear enough that they don't care?

>>386008559
You are toying with my emotions Anon

>>386009069
You're the same kind of hellspawn he is. Do not disrespect the tetralogy.

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Friendly reminder that if you couldn't get past the barrel in Carnival Night, you're heavily retarded!

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>>386010748
No.

>>386010748
I was like 3 give me a break

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>>385991945
this tbqh

>>386011524
Ha

>>386011524
Nice

>>386007227
Then why are they wasting time on shit like Glamglow?
https://www.allure.com/story/glamglow-sonic-blue-gravitymud-firming-treatment-will-give-you-major-nostalgia

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>>386008862

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What are you guys playing while waiting for the Mania?

>>386012439
>holding right
Fucking casuals

>>386012439
>mario at the end

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>>386011524

>>386012669
People don't realize that sonic was a team effort by three dudes

>>386012669
Why don't people realize a lot of great things are made by a team as opposed to 1 person?

>tfw you quite like Labyrinth Zone but everyone shits on it
>tfw it has the best music of the entire Sonic franchise but nobody lists it amongst their favourites

You are all badniks.

>>386012794
Gaming media likes to attribute a games creation to one person. /r/ing the Warren Spectre interview.

>>386012965
I just hate the Do or die bullshit for the boss in act 3. its honestly not so bad if you take it easy.

>>386012965
I love Labyrinth too, anon.

I also love Marble, Metropolis, and Sandopolis. Marble Garden and Wacky Workbench can fuck off.

>>386012965
It's a good zone, most people just hate it because they were kids when they tried it.
Sonic 1 is my favorite sonic game

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>>386012987
almost all games are a collaborative effort
it's the same with movies where the success or failure is attributed to the director too

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>>386012987
>>386012669
>>386012794

Idiots always ruin things for other people.

>>386013018
labyrinth boss is not even a boss it's so pathetically easy

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>>385986923
You know nothing of my favorite zones you two tailed fuck

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>>386013130
You make one mistake and its almost impossible to get back on your feet. Not what I would call great boss design. I liked the 8-bit boss better, yeah I said it.

>>386013018
The boss is shit, granted.

>>386013040
Metropolis is great, marble and sandopolis are... not my favourites...

>>386013227
>You make one mistake and its almost impossible to get back on your feet.
Speak for yourself, pleb.

>>386013227
It's not even a boss, all you gotta do is take your time and not try to rush it and don't go >MUH FAST because we both know by the time you get to that zone you know sonic 1 is more about platforming than tons of speed

>>386013227
so just take your time then. You can just let him get away. That boss is only as hard as you make it

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>>386012965
All I like about the zone is it's music & even then I have a lot of other songs I prefer. I don't care that it was hard for me as a kid but I just find it so dull, even with the short cuts in mind it was just never interesting to me.

>>386013130
Also this, the "boss" is piss easy.

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>>386013231
Metropolis has the advantage of at least being short. I think marble is fine, mostly due to the enemy placement not being garbage, but Sandopolis, and Carnival night zone have problems with length.

And don't give me that "I can beat those level's in 3 minutes because I completed this game over 300 times". Being good at something doesn't make the thing you are good at great.

And no I'm not talking about he barrel either.

>>386013130
I always have trouble with it (which honestly is the main reason I never play Sonic 1 - I HATE that boss that much), but last time I played a few weeks ago I was drunk off my ass and figured out the trick to it I think.

Thank you based booze.

>>386013341
Kind of a problem when I got hit by a spear and got sent down a good chunk of level due to knockback.

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>>386013409
>Metropolis has the advantage of at least being short
it's three acts

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All I want is a Sonic game that will finally best CD. I think Mania's the one, boys.

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>>385993943

really wish they just went with an updated sonic 3 sprite look for Sonic himself, but it's not a dealbreaker

>>386013709
Mania's more in the style of 3K than CD tho

>>386013557
It still takes less time to complete those 3 acts than both acts of Sandopolis zone. Act 2 alone takes me at least 8 min if you don't nail every jump.

I even have proof that metropolis zone is shorter. watch at your own risk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp6yCU_Ogk8

>>386013771
Sonic's sprite is one of the worst things about 3&K though. It looks like shit and it looks like the beginnings of the modern Sonic design.

>>386013798
I disagree, I think it's combining the best of both worlds. All of the cool ability-based platforming of 3&K with music and attention to physics setpieces reminiscent of CD.

>>385990359
Sonic Adventure 3 would be called Sonic Adventure 3.
Why are Sonicfags so annoying when it comes to naming? Sonic Mania is actually Sonic 4, even though it's not called Sonic 4? Sorry, it plays more similar to Sonic more than any other game so it's suddenly the fourth iteration.

>>385997493
sonic cd

>>385991945
hey man, same. Never buying nintendo systems ever again because of the wii u.

>>386008524
why do you think it sucks?

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>>386013852

whah? it's just a sleeker take on the classic design that looks more like the CD animations than the 1,2, or cd sprites do.

Why hasn't mania gotten and crazy taxi references? It got streets of rage and daytona

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>>385990359
>adventurecuck asshurt the worst Sonic game of all time bares a bunch of similarities to his beloved games
and before you say b-but my mach speed sections Speed Highway had that building part that was the exact same. No control in sonic's speed and you can die if you get hit. They just took it and ran with it.

>>385989540
Chemical Plant and Flying Battery are the most overrated zones in the franchuse. Also S2 is not even half as replayable as 3K.
Other than that fine.

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>>386014513
I don't really see that, personally. The less rotund belly, cornered mouth, the beadier eyes and the more pumped up shoes make him look distinctly like his modern self imo.

>>386012965
Over the years I've started to like Labyrinth more and more. Same with Sandopolis.
Still hate Metropolis though.

>>386014889

i think the biggest thing is that the other 3 also make it look like he's got that mowhawk of spikes the american cartoons kept using instead of the 3 rows he actually has

>>386014889
I liked sonic 3's sprite as it seemed like it had a smaller profile compared to sonic 1 and 2
mania is a good mix

>>386014886

who are you, and what are you trying to accomplish by posting these

i'm genuinely confused

>>386014520
This game was trying to be Saturn Sonic, Crazy Taxi is Dreamcast.

>>385990042
It wont be Sonic 4 unless all the stages are original. I don't think Sonic 4's way of just taking old stage designs and remixing them a little is new either.

>>386015689
I guess you're right

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>>386015754
>>385990042
Jokes on you, The real Sonic 4 was released on the SNES years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyRwXpQLvI