This is a webm of two professional Dota 2 players playing in

I see. Thanks for sharing.

had me on the edge of my seat

Who are these people that exist that watch esports?

>>385971167
shitters watch esports
shitters watch fighting comps
shitters dont play the games themselves

>>385971420
Okay I have played very little Dota 2 but why does that guy keep reviving? And how is it balanced in any sense?

>>385971571
Revival ability, then revival item, then revival ability again.
>how is it balanced
The item is a bitch to get and single use.

>>385971420
Holy shit thats funny
>>385971571
Wraith kings ult is a revive. So he dies, gets his ult revive, dies, gets that aegis revive from killing roshan, uses an item that refreshes cooldowns on abilities, dies, and has his ult again, then he used what I assume was the cheese item to fully heal and kill void. It's really fucking hard to get to the point where this is possible, so it's not exactly unbalanced.

>>385971420
should have gone manta diffusal

>>385972441
Ok thanks, I always see Webms like that and it makes the game seem unplayable but I guess if the game was an hour long then it makes sense to be so strong.

>muh cherrypicked footage
This isn't a fighting game, individual fights aren't supposed to look impressive and they only make sense in the context of the match as a whole

>>385970836
I have absolutely 0 idea how people think this is a more entertaining spectator sport than Starcraft: Broodwar

>>385972813
Not only that, the revive item he used can only be picked up every fifteen minutes or so, and there's only one on the map after a fight in a location that is basically always warded.

>>385971167
They’re mostly HUEHUES I think

>>385970836
Why are MOBAs popular at all?
They are the lowest tier of entertainment, skill, content, and user play-ability

>>385970836
>pld can't count
Should have trusted the Chinese kids math

>>385 i've witnessed : reincarnation, wraith form, aegis, reincarnation, wraith form, refresher, reincarnation. and that throughout my game. thing is he actually won that match cus we couldnt kill him

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>>385971420
the webm

>>385973275
RIP Skeletal Prince

>>385972318
>he actually thinks this is balanced
with the upgrades they included last patch they are making this game lul so randum even more. I guess if everyone is broken then no one is xD

gg hatvalve

>>385973920
typical 3k mmr shitter detected

>hurr durr i left the enemy carry alone for 60 minutes and now he's unstoppable, nerf

>>385973920
you've never played the game

>>385974156
>>385974227
ad hominem
and you dont even know who you are talking to.
I guess thats the power of the autism /v/ attracts

>>385973920
>waaahhh RNG is imba

>>385974587
But it objectively is...

>>385974587

RNG is a cornerstone of 90% of the game's mechanics that would never be balanced if they were forced x proc out of y hits.

>>385974428
>don't insult strangers on the internet you guys
>proceeds to insult strangers on the internet

>I guess thats the power of the autism /v/ attracts
Yes, /v/ has attracted you.

>>385973920
But the skill is balanced.
The skill is 160 seconds cooldown and it consomes1/3 of you total mana.
There are many ways to counter WK, and that guy didn't use one single of them and tried to kill him alone.

>>385974976
Except it objectively isn't because either party could have rolled better and won. The perfect coin flip is always fair.

RNG is what keeps people on the edge of their seats. It's not as exciting when you know the outcome before it happens.

>>385970836
Looks pretty normal to me. The lvl 2 beat the lvl 1. Zeus was just dumb to try and pick a fight while under leveled.

>>385975897
Well then go play rock paper scissors.

>>385970836
Kill yourself lol baby. DotA 2 will always be more successful than LoL and you are cancer for promoting that shit of an ARTS.

>>385976043
You know you can introduce outcome uncertainty without literally resorting to coinflips right?

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I honestly don't get MOBAs. I loved Diablo 2 and 3 was ok, but I played a bit of LOL and Dota2 and it feels like the characters are hitting each other with wet noodles.

>>385976161
Well yeah, white people shouldn't even be allowed to play esports. It's a joke. Asians are to esports as blacks are to basketball. No moonrunes, no views.

>>385976235
>comparing RNG to a game about Zero versus Kira tier plots and psychological manipulation

Who watches this shit? Is it literally 13 year old who love to see EPIC TWITCH CHAT KAPPA XDD?

>>385976305
Why are you so opposed to coin flips? Critical strikes are among the better things to happen to video games.

>>385976465
mb ppl who like dota?

>>385976484
RNG is not fun in multiplayer games, you can die to someone out of luck sometimes

>>385970836
>Zeus took Bolt level 1 and not chain lightning
He deserved that loss.

>>385976596
Can you explain the problem with RNG is objective terms without resorting to subjective bs such as "not fun."

>>385976692
let's say both are playing characters that build crit items, you duel someone and he gets lots of crits in a row and you don't and die, how is that fun and fair?

God damn are these games fucking dull. MOBA garbage. RTS died for this shit.

>>385976596
I think it can be fun and you get too upset over someone getting luckier than you.

>>385976614
He was using it to take a ward so ye. Its not mid zeus

>>385976797
He had the same chance to crit that I did. It's completely fair.

>>385976797
You have two characters built for crits, of fucking course it's fair.

>>385971420
>ult
>aegis
>refresher ult
>cheese
holy shit

>>385971167

The same retards who donate to e-celebs and camwhores, and to Kickstarter projects.

>>385973275
someone needs to add invokers inputs like SKs right click

>>385970836
>post webm of punter catching a long snap
>webm cuts off

THIS GUY MAKES 3 MILLION A YEAR TO DO THIS WUTTTTTT

>>385976692
RNG undermines ANY idea of skill. Critical hits are the worst kind as you can't even react to them post-generation. Something like tetris at least lets you react but with crits the lowest skill player in the world could beat the highest skill player in the world purely from chance.

It can be fun but don't pretend any game that heavily utilises RNG like this is offers valid competition. Anyone who knows anything thinks this is glorified Mario Party esports.

>>385971167
Me. I've followed the scene for a long time and I very much enjoy the excitement of the games and the storylines of the teams.

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>>385976461
>white people shouldn't even be allowed to play esports

Tell that to Grrr

>>385977269
That's not correct. If an enemy hero has a critical item or skill, you know about it. You must factor in his spiky damage in your decision to engage.

The unpredictability factor is extremely crucial in making this decision not a no-brainer. Managing risks and rewards and a crucial part of Dota, and the RNG is great at reinforcing that.

>>385970836
PieLieDie is well known for being a fucking retard though.

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>/v/ now defends RNG in competitive multiplayer games

Nu-/v/ is fucking real. I didn't believe it before but this seals it.

RNG is completely fine in single player RPGs but it has no place in multiplayer games because it can give edges to other players for no reason. How in the hell are you guys defending that?

>is not flashy so is shit
Nice logic lolbabs.

So poker is not a competitive game according to /v/, right?

>>385977470
Your reply to this post will involve claiming coinflips are not completely fair to both parties.

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>>385972956
Only fighting games and shmups make for entertaining viewing, any other genre is a snoozefest.

>>385977470
Not 5d enough to take into account the potential RNG the enemy has.

Its not like he magically gains 20% crit without you knowing, assume it will happen and you wont be caught out.

>>385977453
You're missing the point. Even with 2.5% crit chance, you could crit 50 times in a row, a noob could steamroll a veteran player if they just got lucky and strung never ending crits together.

>>385970836
Man this game is E-motherfuckin Z.
Literally everyone on /v/ can win those millions. We just don't feel like it, because we only play REAL games hah!

>>385977652
Or they can not engage the faggot ? is a 5v5 not a flash fest.

>>385977652
And the veteran can also get a ridiculous string. What's your point?

Over time it'll all average out and the good player will win regardless. If you dispute that fact, you've never played Dota in your life.

>>385977652
thank you, this

>>385977470
RNG is only unbalanced as a concept if there's no way to account for it or make counterplays.

>>385971420
that ending is too satisfying

>>385977550
You never ever trust the cards in poker.
If you wouldn't trust the heroes that'd be a shitty promise for a game like Dota, don't you think?

>>385970836
damn that was intense

A lot of people in denial here that they're placing high skill value on a party game.

>>385978085
1v1 me and win and I'll stop

>>385977550
False equivalence, RNG in poker increases depth by making bluffs a viable tactic, not comparable to RNG in MOBAS.

>>385978145
I'm naturally very lucky, so let's just call it here and say the RNG let me win darling.

>>385978258
How so?

>>385978284
Uhh, wrong sweetie, i don't need luck ;)

>>385978284
Ah, but a dota game, even a 1v1 match, has thousands of rolls. You need more than one friendo.

You also need to outlane me, and lol, good luck with that noob.

>>385978379
I won every roll, the gods of RNG were smiling

>>385978284
Nah, the other anon is actually right. I know where you're coming from but he's right in that it evens out. Dota isn't really a game with one shat kills.
Look at CSGO to see where RNG is real problem.

Why does /v/ shits on dota and csgo in every thread? Fun, popular, competitive games. Everything a man needs

Is it because they are party based? Fightan doesn't seem to get that much hate

>>385978469
We didn't play

>>385977648
>>385977856
RNG exists in games that use more antiquated mediums, like tabletop wargames, in order to increase the game's complexity without burdenning the players with even more rules, it's a compromisse solution, this is not necessary in electronic games because the basic gameplay mechanics can be more complex as most crunch is done by the computer.

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>>385978587

>>385977343
Okay. Kill yourself.

>>385978587
Fighters require actual skill and you can only rely on yourself.

>>385978648
How do you introduce uncertainty at the highest level in a deterministic game?

>>385973275
Invoker is such a shit tier hero.

MOBAs are the most boring games on the planet. Take Warcraft and then strip it of anything that made it fun and you have DOTA

>>385977343
Mods
You heard the man
Take him away
Drop the B&hammer

>>385978778
Group activities are much more complex tho

>>385978774
Why must I stop liking what you don't like? Are you really this insecure?

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I miss when dota2 was good, before the days of rubber band. Its been so many years now i cant believe it.

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>>385978818
But you haven't played DOTA nor Warcraft.

>>385978957
He said Warcraft not WoW.

>>385978781
Human error, this is assuming the game is complex enough that no human could play it perfectly.

>>385971420
So who won? Guy who kept reviving or red guy with minions?

>>385977343
lol

The only luck worth a damn in Dota 2 is the quality of your teammates when you solo queue.

>>385979020
That will lead to some incredibly predictable and uninteresting matches where the viewers will know in advance every play and counterplay. It'll be like watching chess.

>>385979059
Inmortal skelly.

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>>385978957
>thinks the anon meant wow
>doesn't know warcraft is a rts series
/v/ continues to disappoint me

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I don't know what you're trying to say here OP, but people love watching boring shit, just look at NASCAR or Chess

>>385977470
Dice were invented for war strategy games

>never reached 3k mmr in dotes
>calls himself a gamer
roflmaoin

>>385979139
And that's bad ? fuck off pizza delivery.
>muh STORIES TO TELL TO YOUR FRIENDS

>>385979206
>tfw 5k shitter
One day I'll reach 6k

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The problem with watching the game is that... Its just not the same as before. Dota 2 is becoming more and more cancerous with only big money and pretentious professional esportz bullshit in ints goals. I want to watch nerds play video games and hear some banter. Not people on their 30s wearing suits and analyzing games while praising everyone for being a great player.

>>385979203

>comparing videogames to board games

lol

>>385978928
I feel you, rubber band ruined the game and you can't talk about it because "lul at least it's not as bad as when it was first impemented hohohaha am I rite?" I miss being able to convert my early advantage into risky early uphill pushes instead of "ok we have to get Rosh because they have shrines and if one of us dies 10 minutes of gameplay will be undone"

>>385978587
>Why does /v/ shits on dota
it's a game where the community likes to talk about how much of an amazing e-sport it is and how balanced it is despite getting a major balance patch on average more than once a month for this entire year alone.
How the fuck people can say on a long term basis that this game is balanced when it isn't even fucking left long enough between patches to get a decent sample size goes beyond me.

Also it's a shame how little the MOBA genre has varied itself as a whole, LoL came out ~8 years ago, Dota even longer and Dota2
5 years ago and look at the amount of variety other MOBA games have in comparison to what advancements 5-8 years of platformers, RPGs, FPSs, fighting games etc. have had in them.

>>385979139
Not if the game is complex enough, also incomplete information, players having to make estimates/guesses and acting according to these will result in a lot of variation.

>>385979203
see
>>385978648

>>385979307
Maybe you should use that advantage to get pickoffs/aegis/etc before pushing high ground to minimize risk.

>>385979229
Yes that¨s bad. Do you remember Magnussen vs. Karjakin? Like all the traditionally timed games were draws. Exciting shit indeed.

>>385979342
>Also it's a shame how little the MOBA genre has varied itself as a whole
But there are gazillion new different mobas out there, nobody plays them tho
Paragon, Bloodline champions, etc.

>>385979461
>aegis
its almost like you did only read half of his post

>>385979461
Yeah man sure no problem.

>>385979578
>>385979604
If you have so much of an advantage that the enemy team can't leave their base, there isn't an excuse for you throwing the game when you control the whole map.

>>385979342
Its balanced in that hero variety is at an all time high, hell VP won the Summit with almost 0 duplicate picks

>>385979704
yeah man for sure good post

>>385979715
Actually the game is so unbalanced that "it is balanced because everything CAN/MIGHT work".

>>385979461
That's the point, the risk is artificially inflated by a retarded system designed to force the winning team to play defensively. The game slows to a crawl as soon as all t2s are down unless you have an absurd advantage because attempting to push t3s without aegis is "throwing the game" now.

>>385979342
Dota is not a stable game like Starcraft. At this point the community expects balance to change over time forever.

hey what are some recent retard moments has that weeaboo eternalenvy done in a the last couple years?
been out of the loop because of fighting games. loved watching that dumbass

>>385979342
>5 years ago and look at the amount of variety other MOBA games have in comparison to what advancements 5-8 years of platformers, RPGs, FPSs, fighting games etc. have had in them.

How have RPGs, FPSs and fighting games advanced in the last years?

>>385979125
Only accurate post so far

>>385979840
That's a good thing. 5man deathballing down mid was not fun.

By making base harder to push you open up postional plays on the map for the losing team.

>>385979840
Or you can get a pickoff or two before pushing.

>>385970836
Why does everything that happens in DotA seem like it's happening in slow motion? It's like the gameplay speed is set to 50% or something.

>>385979840
>waah i can't do stupid shit and not get punished anymore

>>385979995
How do you get a pickoff when the enemy is sitting in their base doing nothing but pushing the creeps away while adjacent to multiple healing structures preventing a dive? You don't, you're forced to back off into the fog and hope they come out while you farm their jungle or do Rosh.

>>385980098
it speeds up based on stats and they're both level one
compare to void (the purple guy) in this >>385971420

>>385980183
If they've surrendered the map like that you're going to outfarm them massively and the longer they stay passive the further ahead you'll get.

>>385980248
*both low level

>>385970836
WHITE BOYS BTFO. BASED GOOKS

>>385980183
If they're corralled into their base then you can farm the entire map while they're getting fuckall, also you can split push with one hero while your team slow seiges, or you can pick initiators that can pull people out of base. There's more than enough counter play to people turtling in their base.

>>385977652
most abilities are pseudo rng anyways meaning the chance to proc a % skill will go up with each miss. Still like some other anon said it will even out in the end. I'm pretty tired of people posting webms of shit like phantom assassin dodging 5 attacks in a row. She has a fucking 50% chance to dodge, it's bound to happen sometime.

>>385980251
That's the point I'm making, I know what to do in the new system it's just slow and boring and does nothing except to artificially prolong games. Instead of the gameflow being constant and ending with a big push uphill into the enemy base, we have this weird garbage where we have to slowly starve out the enemy for fear of losing everything we've built up to a single death.

>>385980412
I bet you want games to last 15 minutes where you just rush objectives.

>>385980412
First of all you're never going to lose more than a thousand gold to a death, and that's an extreme case with a long streak and a big networth lead.

If your lead is 1000 gold, it's not a very large lead. The game in this case isn't close to over.

>>385980363
not him but that makes the game really boring. and yea sure "winning is more important stop caring about fun". but like when I play with some of my friends in a stack SO OFTEN we lose all the lanes and get all outer towers destroyed in 20 mins, then we just sit in base, at 40 min they maybe break one of our rax, at 60+ they have nearly megas, but more than 50% of the time we still win because while my friends arent very good at the video game we can still communicate better than 3rd worlders. So as you can see the majority of the game just becomes "lets sit in the base waiting for a fight lol". If the enemies free farm for 10 minutes you can just get all that gold back in one fight.

>>385980503
No, I want a stomp to take 20 minutes and a close game to take 40-60. Instead everything takes 40-60 no matter what and those games that should be a stomp end up drawn out and painful ordeals for both teams; one is getting stomped and one has to do a bunch of boring objective bullshit around the map before they can fight a team they've already beaten.

>>385980591
Yeah pubbers throw a lot. What else is new.

>>385970836
>Lich super meta right now
Feels so good.

Also, SECRETFANGAYS ARE DIE

>>385971383
So exactly like every other form of entertainment in the 1st world then.

>>385980412
Honestly the new meta favours early game too much. I've seen so many teams getting steamrolled and the new camp stacking makes your hero snowball fast as fuck. Sitting in your base doing nothing until you win is barely a legit strategy anywhere else but 2k sniper/techies games that reach 70min.

>>385980680
NewBee vs Cloud9, played about an hour ago, took around 25 minutes on the clock. These are top tier players, anon.

Do they let people hear team comms during pro games yet or no?

>>385980680
Like how EG beat TNC in like 15 minutes earlier despite the way Dota is right now?

>>385980681
well at first you sounded like it was totaly new info to you.

>>385980778
No dude. Teams are pretty intense about keeping strats secret.

>>385980098

They are both low level, have no items and neither of them are auto attackers

>>385980834
This is a progame thread. I thought we were talking about pro players.

>dat Liquid picks

ABSOLUTE MADMEN

>>385970836
What is it about Dota 2 that makes brainlets so mad?
Upset they can't mash buttons and win?

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>>385974428
>ad hominem
ad irony

>>385980986
They can't comprehend how massive the difference between the skill floor and skill ceiling are.

>>385981082
The problem is Dota 2 has no ceiling.
I suppose it can be very overwhelming.

You know ive played dota. Its fun.
But i will never ever understand how THOUSANDS watch people play the game like a sport.
Its the most boring "esport" to watch there is.

>>385981229
I don't like esports in general but I found LoL way more boring to watch.

>>385981229
Because you're watching the best in the world. You don't see this teamwork and shit in your pub games.

>>385971420
Fucking beautiful

>>385981297
But people who dont even play also watch it.

>>385971420
where the fuck is his team?

>>385981229
these people are the same retards that fellate that "million dollar" echo slam at that one TI
they don't know anything and don't know any better

Fighting games are the only credible competitive genre.

>>385981613
>shit /v/ says

>>385978587
MOBAs push group coordination by drastically reducing the input options of the individual player. It is like playing handicapped.

>>385981613
>competitive buttonmashing for solo autists
no thanks

>>385981229
You know ive played football. Its fun.
But i will never ever understand how THOUSANDS watch people play the game on tv.
Its the most boring sport to watch there is.


This is how stupid you sound

>>385981229
retards watch whole games
people who know their shit just watch the draft and highlights

>>385981917
>not watching live
>browing results lists the day after
yeah man exciting shit

>>385978695
What about the people who play assfaggots and are good at them and hate them not because they blame their teamates but because they are piss easy and full of rng. =^)

>>385982454
These people don't exist because they really aren't piss-easy and full of rng.

>>385981989
drafts are usually fun to watch while the rest of the game is a cointoss, depending on the draft and meta

>>385978774

You should visit /sp/ and share your opinion on people who watch instead of participate with them.

Or are you a faggot who can't even manage that?

>>385982687
>watching an unpredictable event play out
>not fun
You have no soul, Anon. Don't you even have anyone to root for?

jesus christ mobas are casual garbage

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>>385977223

>>385982950
>look mom I posted it again!

>>385982950
>casual
>one of the genres that requires the most memorization of obtuse shit
the genre sucks but it's not casual, the barrier to entry is a vertical wall of reading

>>385981769
Im speaking comparatively you idiot. Im not saying i dont see the appeal of watching all sports or even all esports.
Im saying i dont see tge appeal in watching mobas specifically.

>>385982950
>>385983094
agreed fellows, so it is nothing but a heap on pajeet's street

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So who's gonna win TI?

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>>385983094
>>385983352
>I'm too retarded/weakwilled/ADHD to learn and get good
>better go on 4chan and call everyone who isn't casuals

>>385983487
I'm agreeing with you dummy

>>385983441
TeamLiquid, at least so far. They look unstoppable.

>>385983441
our guys EG of course

>>385983487
but I am good, the genre just isn't fun

>>385983579
What happened? Liquid used to be doormats. Also it's just group stages

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>>385983642
In before 0-2

>>385976043
RNG is a luck-based crutch used to make games with otherwise boring gameplay more interesting.

>>385983687
Nigga they're 5-0 today and looking at this draft they're gonna beat EG again.

As to what happened.... I think Kuroky but I'm not sure.

>>385983441
Liquid/OG/ or whatever chinese team managed to get the 5 best chinamans on their roster

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>>385982816
I root for tails

>>385980098
It literally is. You have to grind for your character to move at normal speeds.

>>385983010
There's an Alacrity in the third panel too

>>385983936
I have a question for you

In Starcraft, when an SCV collects a mineral from a patch and returns it to base, is that "grinding?"

Dotards defense of the RNG is always the most hilarious thing. Literal autism.

>>385984038
He fucked up. Should have gottin distance during ankh animation and then used ghostwalk to disjoint the stun. He would've been fine.

>>385984108
My favorite is when autists post in threads about games they don't like.

>>385983010
it bothers me that Invokers inputs are in actual keycaps while sk's are drawn

>>385970836
I know nothing about Dota, but I saw the new underwater map, and it looks rad as fuck.

>>385984218
bullying idiots is fun
don't you agree? you're trying to do it too

>>385984390
At least someone does. All the dotards are screeching autistically for the default map.

>>385984446
>cyber bullying
just close your eyes lel

did you guys see liquid got 1st kill because of a bash that was so exciting right guys

>>385984482
Why? It looks like someplace I'd want to explore.

>>385984218
The thread was made to make fun of dota.
So you're actually the one who came into a thread you didnt like just to complain about it. How about you take your own advice .

>>385984614
Dunno. I don't mind it either. I suspect some people just have to complain, even if there's really nothing to complain about.

>>385984642
Every single thread on this board starts with somebody pretending to be retarded about something to start discussion.

If you don't do this, you get 6 replies and 1 image ommitted. This thread is archived.

>>385984667
The trees are trash, make it hard to juke.
Too bright in some areas.
I could come up with more things to complain about if I played the game.

>>385984849
>I could come up with
Thanks for proving my point.

>>385984894
Alright, let me correct myself.
I could come up with more valid complaints If I played the game.
The things I mentioned actually matter.

>>385985009
No, because its clientside. The players are using whatever map they prefer.

>>385983441
me

>>385985117
Shouldn't you be playing the game Sumail?

>>385972813
>Ok thanks, I always see Webms like that and it makes the game seem unplayable
Its not like someone would just record uninteresting, typical gameplay. Most funny/impressive dota webms are unlikely to happen most often. Back when that webm was made all the void player would have had to do is buy diffusal blade to drain his mana and prevent revive but he didn't. Nowadays the talent system allows wraith kind to revive at no mana cost but it requires level 25 (max)

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>>385984765
Being cynical doesn't make you smart. ESPECIALLY if you are too much of a fanboy to overlook people justifiably taking the piss out of your favorite game.

>>385971053
ironically theres a lot going on with this.
if zeus ran he'd die, he needed to stun lich the MOMENT he would use his cold thing, his timing was off by mili seconds killing him.

>>385977652
you're a fucking moron, a veteran wouldn't even be in a situation where a noob could beat him with crits. crits aren't THAT strong,

>>385984765
> anyone who criticizes my game ever is just pretending and actually secretly loves it because it's perfect in every way
Damn that's some delusion

True skill is adapting to random occurances.
being able to do the same thing over and over again perfectly is not skill at all.

>>385977470

So you never played dota 2 I assume?

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>>385985329
Merely asserting that this is a dota thread, no matter the intentions of OP. Enjoy this unrelated gif.

>>385971420
jesus christ that was hilarious

>>385977652
Play the game before u discuss it u double triple quadruple nigger faggot

Alright this argument has gone on long enough everyone. Time to settle it once and for all, this is the final decisive moment that will forever decide who's right.

We'll flip a coin. Heads, RNG is dumb, has no place in competitive games and anyone who defends it is a certified autist. Tails, RNG is fun and cool and the ultimate test of skill.

Alright I'm flipping. Oh it's heads, well i guess that's that, argument over, I win. At least it was really fun and exciting not knowing the outcome until after it randomly happened right? Should have just played around the chance that the RNG would favor me, guess you just werent good enough to adapt. Better luck next time, oh I meant better "skill" next time.

Just look at it man. I just don't fucking get it. Mobas are so fucking boring to play and watch.

Meanwhile FPS games will always be interesting.

>>385985901
Do you have some sort of argument in there?

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>>385985454

>>385977269
>It can be fun but don't pretend any game that heavily utilises RNG like this is offers valid competition.

people even play poker professionally, and that game is literally nothing but playing around RNG.

>>385986013
wow she made my dick hard, not that big of an accomplishment.

>>385985937
Can't say I didn't expect people to be salty over the results and get upset about them. Well fine, we can flip the coin again.

Oh it's heads again. Damn, beaten twice in a row.

>>385986182
Oh so you don't. Just checking.

>>385970836
It was pretty funny when it happened

>>385970836
i love how nu-/v/ getting assblasted over this
>>385985916
t. FPS babby

>>385986227
Do you really want me to whoop your ass at coin flipping 3 times in a row? Well if you insist. There we go, heads a third.

I mean you said it yourself, apadting to whether an outcome randomly favors you or not is real skill, it's not my fault you aren't good enough to adapt.

>>385986431
What do you think you're achieving with this?

>>385986527
Beating you.

>>385986575
How so? I wish you would communicate clearly so I wouldn't have to ask all these questions.

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Even watching Africa beat 4chan is more entertaining

>>385977652
>a noob could steamroll a veteran player if they just got lucky and strung never ending crits together.

the games pseudorandom number generation is coded to avoid exactly this scenario.
it really isnt anywhere close to a big deal - you take into account the possibility of good RNG, you take into account the possibility of bad RNG, you weigh them against each other, and then decide how to proceed.

RNG elements like crit literally just boil down to your damage output being a little erratic and unpredictable. bash simply means that you cant 100% rely on having full mobility and freedom of action.

>>385978587
/v/ whines about fighters all the time, too.
>wah wah mixups are dumb coinflip situations!
>a noob could beat a pro by just guessing right a few times!
>special move motion inputs are artificial difficulty and retarded!

>>385986619
I won the coin toss, duh. You think maybe you can't understand because you have some type of mental condition?

>>385986742
What coin toss? Where are you going with all this? If you have some sort of implication to make here, why not just bring it out?

>>385986668
A
FUCKING
NIGERIAN
KEN

>>385977470
I played a lot of TF2 and I loved crits and random spread for shotguns. I also loved the idea of Highlander matches and having only one of each class on a team, but with no crits and no shotgun spread making Scouts and Engineers disgustingly overpowered. Not to mention that crits and spread isn't allowed but scripts are not only okay they're needed to keep up with the other scripters.

Fuck competitive anything. People just make up whatever the fuck rules they want and ignore what the game was supposed to be about. Fun.

>>385986831
Best part is he went 2-0. Utter domination.

>>385986668
Wow so boring. Would have been way more fun if the player with superior reaction time and motor skills had his character just randomly stop doing damage right as he hit the move and wound up losing instead. Now that would have been true skill by the other guy.

>>385986818
The coin in my hand of course. You've lost every toss so far, and according to your own points that was your own fault because you should have adapted or played around the possibility that I would win.

>>385987198
Oh, that's your point?

That's a false equivalency. Games of dota are not decided by coin toss. RNG in a game of dota is called thousands of times and will average out.

>>385987272
stop taking the bait

>>385987272
If it's supposedly guaranteed to average out then why bother having any RNG in the place.

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>>385970836

>>385987396
Gee, I would never expect anyone on these boards to willfully post things they don't believe just for replies. Why would anyone be so petty?

>>385970836
>Action RPGs died for this

>>385987442
So that you cannot predict exact damage values in the game. This leads to more interesting decisionmaking in-game, as you cannot exactly predict the outcome of your actions.

>>385973920
Kill yourself

>>385984849
Trees look great, fuck off brainlet

>>385987573
And you can't predict the coin toss, which means according to you im more skilled than you.

>>385970836
I don't understand the fun part in these games. Can anyone explain?

>>385987682
That's still a false equivalency, anon.

>>385987757
No. They're free dude. See for yourself.

>>385987757
outplaying people.

>>385985409
y tho

>>385977437

ill have Zim do it

>>385970836
>mobas involve skill
No, its all about the overall strategy, intel gathering and other things. The lack of skill requirement ensure the genre survives unlike RTS which required far too much skill to climb the ranks. Same thing happened to arena shooters, high skill ceiling = low fun potential as you get better unless you're absolutely dedicated to becoming a sponsered player.

>>385973275
>not simply using emp on sk

>>385971167
Considerable overlap with the people who watch sports.

>>385988361
So when you come into a thread to talk about things you know nothing about, how exactly do you believe you're making a worthwhile contribution?

>>385987762
But do you believe our argument would be more fair and competitive if there was simply no coinflip at all?

>>385988361
>Implying DotA doesn't have the highest skill ceiling

>>385987516
yeah action RPGs died

nobody plays path of exile
diablo 3 didn't just get an update
what the fuck is divinity original sin 2, I don't know

>>385988486
I still don't really understand your argument, since it's heavily based on, and I'll repeat it yet again for you: false equivalency. You seem unable to alter it after I made you aware of this.

>>385985479

that cow is feeling a level of happiness, that i feel, i will never achieve.

wow Blitz lost a lot of weight

>>385988596
>>Implying DotA doesn't have the highest skill ceiling

More about knowledge and interactions, especially since shit keeps changing. Mechanical skill will only get you so far.

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>>385986963
>No crits and no spread makes scouts and engineers overpowered
>in highlander
>Loving shotgun spread
>Needing scripts to keep up
Pretty funny anon, but if you wanted to bait people you need to be more subtle

J30RM-BI7HF-73C4R

>>385988819
Thanks for the Dota 2 beta key

>>385988765

>t. 9k invoker spammer

>>385988765
And dice rolling.

>>385988942
?

Everyone just stop and think for a second.

According to dotard logic, smash with items on is the most skill based and competitive fighter in the world.
Mario kart is the most skill based and competitive racing game in the world.
Hearthstone is the most skill based and competitive card game in the world.
And mario party is the most skill based and competitive anything in the world.

Let these simple facts set in before you take anything they say seriously.

>>385985454
Not exactly. Random occurrence just increases the sample size of possible events one needs to react to. If done well, random events require agile thinking to work through, and the player that thinks faster and plans better will be able to prevail over ones who don't.

If done poorly, random events can irreversibly determine the game outcome by providing too heavy of advantage for one team. When this happens, a better player/team can't work their way out of them, no matter how much they outskill the enemy team.

>>385989324
>mario party is the most skill based and competitive anything in the world
Well shit, these dotards know what they're talking about.

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>>385977343

> and the storylines of the teams.

>>385987450
DotA is the best personality test in the history of video games. Most team mates will stomp their feet as soon as something bad happens on their team. These are people you avoid. About 10% of them will actually shrug off other players mistakes and notice the times when they went above and beyond, and those are the guys you add to your friends list to play with again.

If I could find some test as accurate as DotA about how well someone handles stress in the workplace, I'd never have problems hiring people again.

>>385989324
wrong

risk management is a skill

>>385989476
have you never watched a sport before?

>>385983687
Kuroky is an amazing captain and turns out Miracle- can be a good team player with a good captain to lead him.

>>385989476
Dotards love RNG and e-celebs. What a wonderful community that /v/ is lucky to have.

>>385989974
How are any of those games different from dota. They have the most random things you need randomly react to, hence they're the most skill based, just like you all say for dota.

>>385973015
HUEHUES only care about league and csgo

t. MACACO

>>385991364
>just like you all say for dota.
wrong

>>385971420
Out fucking skilled

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>>385990930
>Dotards love RNG and e-celebs
I'm not a dotard then.

>RTS died for this
I can't believe retards actually keep saying this

Westerns didn't die to Sci-Fi, people were just tired of watching westerns or not many people watched em in the first place

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I used to play Dotard.

Every patch after 6.78c served to ruin the game further.

>>385992745
The hero's of the storm shit is pretty dumb.

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>>385973824
RIP makes me sad.

>>385988641
>diablo 3 didn't just get an update
Diablo 3 is a meme, barely even a game.

>>385979059
technically the green guy but the purple guy made him use up very valuable resources

>>385986963
>Engineer in HL
>OP
Engineer has been the shittiest HL class since they nerfed Wrangler and Mini's. As expected from a literal retard.

The problem here is actually a clash of linguistics, not of values.

What dota players enjoy is professional gambling. It's quite similar to the word "gaming" but it's very different. Professional gaming is supposed to be a pure contest of skill between 2 players or teams of players, no silly random events happening to suddenly screw over one side or help the other, that would obviously compromise the skill contest.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying watching gambling or anything. Like if you enjoy watching mario kart because you think it's funny when the person with the best actual racing skill loses because they randomly get hit by 5 blue shells in a row that's fine, just move out of the way when the grown ups want to watch a real skill based contest.