FF XII was ahead of its time.

It broke new ground!

>>385962640
this boring ass game sucks ass.
>dude, don't you see how it's star wars
that's a huge stretch, my man, how about u kys

Hiroyuki Ito - Producer, director, game design
Hiroshi Minagawa - Director, visual design, character texture supervisor

should be given a budget for a new game.

>>385962742
>this boring ass game sucks ass.

it's unironically the only competent rpg in the entire franchise.

>>385962742
>star wars

who gives a fuck about SW. suddenly a FF didn't have an easy to follow shounen anime story and fags lost their shit

I'm having a hard time getting into it. I like Matsuno and his stories, but Vaan is annoying and I hate the battle system.

offline mmo combat is the cancer killing jrpgs

>>385962640
yes it's shit.

You can tell the exact moment Matsuno left, after Leviathan. The story just stops.

>>385962640
boring story, boring gameplay, good game

>>385962640

It really burns the midnight oil

>>385963448
I noticed that too, what the fuck.

>>385962640

Definitely was. Enjoy it just as much now as I did when it first came out.

If this game ever gets DLC (Which I highly doubt), I do wish they'd design character-specific license boards. I think it could be done in an interesting way, especially with quickenings and espers forming bottlenecks along the way for character development.

not really you had shit mmorpg combat like it in the .hack games. There was nothing ahead of its time about the game at release unless you consider the worst final fantasy story ever as ahead of its time.

>>385963779
They killed off Ghis, but forgot Gabbranth was supposed to be a bigger threat. He should have stepped in as the next villain judge but they decided to leave the party virtually unopposed for the rest of the game. Like I'm supposed to believe nobody in the empire was keeping tabs on Ashe and Balthier (Gabbranth, leader of the information bureau would have been a good choice!) after they seemingly sunk a fucking fleet. Then you waltz into Archadia all the way up to Dr. Cid in Draklor itself, and the judges are nowhere to be found. I get that stringing Ashe along was part of Vayne's plan, but appearing to hinder them would have made more sense, as the cast should have caught on that they were moving about too easily.

>>385964619

I wish there was more story progression in Nabreus Deadlands and the Necrohol. Especially with Reddas. Those areas are completely skippable and it's a shame because they're also really interesting.

>>385963448
That's just after raithwall right ?

>>385963908
>shit mmo combat
It's turned based except you can move around. How is that mmo combat?

>>385962640
Agreed

>>385962992
>>it's unironically the only competent rpg in the entire franchise.

if you call this competent you need to apply yourself on the definition of the word

>>385965406
What levels should I be to challenge the espers? I'm 40 heading into zertinan for adrammalech, is exodus doable for me?

>>385965617

Exodus and Adrammelech are pretty easy IMO. You should easily by able to handle them at level 40.

>>385965617
The only actually hard Espers are Zeromus and Zodiark, so you'll want to be 50+ for them. Ultima is a pushover, but getting to her is nauseating.

Gameplay-wise, it definitely freshened up the formula while still keeping it similar to classic games.

Everything after XII just feels like it adopted more and more from KH games.

>>385965617

BTW, Adrammelech has a very exploitable weakness to ice, so if you have the spear with the ice element and an Uhlan you'll be able to fuck him up badly. Keep in mind he's a flier.

>>385965960
Not him but fuck ultima fuck omega mark 12 and fuck the great crystal basically

>>385962640
I just completed it today after years of not being able to get into it. I was surprised ny how much I did enjoy it, but it still has issues. Vaan and sometimes Penelo annoyed me, though it is likely because of their voice acting and their lack of roles in the story.

There is also barely any group chemistry and a tendency to not show them spend time together. I.e. Balthier telling Vaan to fly the ship like he showed him, though we never saw him teaching him how to use it at all.

Also, why the fuck did Vayne carry on fighting at the end when Venat admits that it accomplished what it set out to do. Plus, the large amounts of time between story developments.

>>385965051

Yeah, easily some of my favorite areas.

Great Crystal and the areas preceeding it were fucking amazing too. Seeing the great crystal as you decend closer into it were fucking great.

Game truly had some top-tier level design man.

No, it was just the last example of Final Fantasy living up to its expectations. XII only seems ahead of its time in hindsight because every Final Fantasy since then has been a stark disappointment and complete regression of the genre.

>>385966229
>Also, why the fuck did Vayne carry on fighting at the end when Venat admits that it accomplished what it set out to do
Lust for power and basically being drunk by it.
>Plus, the large amounts of time between story developments.
Mastuno leaving mid-developpment

>>385966102
They actually fucked up her intro in this version. The visual effects and audio cues are all wrong, which is weird considering how well everything else in the game was translated. But yeah, the Great Crystal has to be the worst dungeon in the series.

>>385966390
Thank god i have the maps for it because getting everything from the chests + navigating is truly a pain

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>get given the entire lore of Ivalice
>can do anything you want
>many interesting races to choose from for party members
>tons of crazy backstories to give them too, with Ivalice having so much history and varied lifestyles
>make party entirely human except for a human with bunny ears
>give them all the most bog standard boring JRPG backstories
>even manage to make being a sky pirate sound boring

I will never understand.

>quickening
>run out of quickenings after 4 hits.
>Do the myst charge bullshit
>4 times in a row
>Not a single available quickening
>Run out of time
Is there even a point to ever using quickenings? They also do pathetic amounts of damage.

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Gurdy is

C U T E
U
T
E

>>385966948
They do a shit ton of damage when you chain 12+ together.

>>385966948
Doing Quickening Chains in the desert got me 6 Burning Bows for my party the very first time I ever encountered Dive Talons, so, yeah.

>>385966948
You know you're supposed to push L2 to cycle through so you can keep chaining hits right?

>>385966390
Look at this shit. They just didn't care for some reason.
Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQQZD2ysQ_Q#
Zodiac Age: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PN5H0wjTS0

>>385967151
R2 and that's why I meant by charging yeah.

>>385962640
It's literally the poor man's Bravely Default.

>>385966701
apparently, Sakaguchi's departure from Square triggered a lot of key talent leaving the FFXII team to join his studio

after a while Matsuno couldn't handle that the project was crumbling away around him and quit. Or got burnt out, or something. He was replaced and SE forced their shitty ideas in the game to please their retarded sub-culture fans

>>385966389
And yet some people say XII is the best FF when its development was fucked.

>>385967606
Says a lot about FF, huh?
FF is a bad series.

Has anyone ever gotten dark hole from a myst chain before? It's the only one I need for the trophy and I've been trying for 3 hours.

>>385967658
Go fuck yourself. What do you consider a good series?

>>385968193
Nope I got arkblast and that's it so far

>>385968310
CoD

>>385968310
Tales of, .hack, Persona+SMT and Nier are all better than any of the final fantasy games I've played. Less bullshit, more action, and better written.

>>385962640
Holy shit I love the 4x speed feature and it is going to make every other JRPG unplayable for me.

they fucked up the lp gains, or lp costs. After archades you don't need any lp. Post game I'm at 3k lp. You should always have something to put lp in

>>385968518
>persona
>Less bullshit, more action, and better written
kek

>>385968748
You heard me. Even with their crappy social links it's better.

>>385968713
Were you grinding loot or rare drops? I didn't complete license boards until I unlocked Yiazmat and obtained almost every esper.

>>385968582
This
I got so tired playing persona 5, mashing x wishing I could skip the all out attack animations, etc.
I can't even imagine slogging through shit like FFX again after this
Why do JRPGs love to waste time so much?

>>385968582
>>385969039
No patience.

>>385969039
Probably some Japanese art philosophy. Could explain why they like stories that go nowhere and games based on grinding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_(negative_space)

I'm enjoying it. I'm using the guide though. I cant be arsed to find all those secrets again.
>>385968518
>tales
enough. Im happy you didn't say trails

>>385969393
Okay now you're just shitposting if you don't think Tales is great.

Why did Basch just have a 10 segment of the game where he has 0 dialogue?

>>385969614
Because the devs forgot Gabbranth was a character until the final dungeon.

>>385969492
Nothing Bamco touches can ever be great.

>>385968518
>Tales of...
>better written

Kek. If by bullshit you mean less filler, then double kek.

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>mfw just got to giruvegan

>>385962640
>mfw I have not played the game since its release, no even the Zodiac version.

really upsetting how is not out for PC or the Switch, they hate money or Sony owns the right for a period of time?

>>385969750
Oh great it's the fucking brand us. vs them faggot.
Shut up and play videogames for once instead of looking for the next juicy piece of gossip you cunt.

>>385969954

it just made Pharos at Ridorana feel even better.

>shuffle 6 times
>No quickenings
>No charges
every single thing about this game is luck

>>385969954
Good luck, this is the part of the game i hate.

>>385969954
>that giant chunk of nethicite that could have destroyed all of Ivalice that's never mentioned again
Really oggles the noggin.

The new soundtrack is worse and the old one in places doesn't loop properly.
The game has crashed on me before and there are tons of issues in cutscenes like jitters
Game is too easy now despite being more restrictive because of the way stat boosts are distributed on the License board.
The Genji equipment is now far too easy to steal although I guess I'm grateful for that.
The font is absolutely ghastly and doesn't have that regal font the original did.
No save menu, just the generic PS4 one.
No Sky Pirates Den. I know they were changed into the trophies but there was no reason to remove it.

Why is it all remasters run worse than the originals and have more problems?

>>385966390
Great crystal is literally pleb filter. It's designed to make you draw a map like old games did (note this is for the optional part only, so it's not forcing anyone to do it), no wonder shitters hate it.

>>385967606

That's how bad the other FFs are in comparison. FF is a HUGELY overrated series and I'm saying this as someone who is a fan. FF1, FF4, FF6(kinda), FF10(kinda), and FF12 are the good ones. The rest are shit.

>>385968582
Same here. Once I discovered how much it sped things up I used it all the time unless I really had to pay attention.

>>385963343
Online is the cancer killing games.

>>385963343
>FF12
>Xenoblade Chronicles
Literally what else even does the "offline, online" MMO combat?

>>385968518
Oh please anon

>>385967294
They have literally nothing in common except both being unfinished and rushed out anyway.

>>385968919
>I didn't complete license boards

There is no need to complete the license board. I got everything I needed before balfonheim. I skipped most of the enemies

>>385968193
If I remember right you need to do 4 level 3 quickenings, 4 level 2 and 4 level 1 or something like that. Basically 3 of each give you luminescence and 4 of each give you black hole.

>>385970675
It probably did. Ivalice blew up and killed off entire races, humes are the least sensitive to mist and they're the ones that survived. Wonder why.

>>385972043
Wait what? In what game was that?

>>385972165
None, it happens some time between XII and Tactics. Some calamity happened and threw the world back into a medieval age where only humes exist and all the old technology like airships is ruins. My take on it is that XII is all about men taking back the reigns of history from the Occuria, which they succeeded to do but the Occuria can't have been too happy about it. So I guess eventually they said fuck it and blew everyone up so the few survivors would learn to worship gods again and know their place.

Im gona ruin my team's pktential by giving all summons to my white mage/time mage to make a dedicated summoner and no one can talm me out of it.

I will also make a black mage red mage and a monk foe breaker (and also a white mage uhlan)

Vaan and penelo are gona rot in the party menu

>>385962640
Right. It had a long, cheesy, painfully pretentious story well before FF14's.

>>385973139
Fuck me, sorry for the typos.

I can guarentee that I am not normally this retarded.

>>385972649
>take back the reigns of history
>only a century later the entire world suspiciously blows up
Maybe Ashe should have listened to the Occuria after all.

>>385973284
The Occuria are little shits but things worked out under their supervision, during Raithwall's time they even had a good while of peace and even if they have wars now and then society and technology is flourishing. When men take the reigns they literally blow themselves up. Funny thing, the Occuria were initially supposed to be Mindflayers in a cosmic crack den or something.

>>385973864

I love that they were originally designed to be mindflayers. If you look at the design on the cloak of the Piscodemon hunt, you can see how similar the texture is to the one they use for the Occuria. Maybe the Piscodemon was supposed to be Venat?

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it took a while to get used to the Gambit System (did ZA fix/improve it?) and the fact that most of the story happens off screen from the party

>only Omega mark xii left to complete my bestiary
>just got to level 81 of trial mode

I'm not looking forward to fucking Zodiark and his instant death and immunity bullshit again

>>385974046
Yeah I think he's probably a leftover Mindflayer design that they used as a hunt.

>>385974171

The system is the same, however you can buy all the gambits you need right away instead of having to wait until story progresses to buy some of them.

>>385974382
>however you can buy all the gambits you need right away instead of having to wait until story progresses to buy some of them.

cool.

I also remember one combo being broken as fuck (remedy with all upgrades + the accessory that reverses item effects)

is it still viable in this game?

are the sidequests fairly hidden in this game? i've been progressing the story and i keep getting the double messages asking if i'm sure when moving to a new area. i feel like i'm missing out on shit

>>385974718

Honestly not sure - I think you're talking about Nihaopaloaha or something though. I think it's used for some of the trial mode stuff, which I haven't done yet.

>>385974773
The one where "you won't be able to leave easily"? I don't think IZJS has any missable content, but the original did. You can do every sidequest at the end of the game if I'm correct.

>>385974370
If you make gambits targeting elemental weaknesses their user will magically find his weakness when he swaps it. Stuff like, weak to wind->aeroga, weak to fire->firaga etc.. will make them use the correct element and allow you to discover it quickly without healing him. I accidentally found this while fighting him.

>>385974773

I don't know why the game does this early on, what's it really saying is that there's a lot of story about to go down. You aren't missing anything.

>>385974718
Yeah it still works. Not with everything but it's pretty useful for some encounters, especially to disease the Judges (though here you use serums).

>>385974942
You can miss Genji equipment if you dont steal it from Gilgamesh, and the July sidequest in Nabradia is only available between Raithwall and Archades (but its reward isnt unique)

It's still ahead of its time.

>>385974773
Some stuff is actually really fucking well hidden but nothing is missable don't worry.

>>385962640
Or games have just regresssed so much that, by this point, a game considered lackluster in 2005 or whenever is now considered great in compariosn?

>>385975172
>you can miss Genji equipment
God dammit.

>>385962640
How so?

>>385974773
You can't miss any side quests but the rewards can become obsolete if you decide to do them later.

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>>385970832
Pros
>character shadows
>remastered OST
>alleged CD quality original OST
>no spell queue

Cons:
>no Sky Pirate's Den
>No esper summoning screen
>no save screen
>inferior graphics(bloom and blur and more blur)
>dramatically easier gameplay(4x speed and dual jobs)
>no new content
>cutscene letterbox
>cropped FMVs
>ugly font
>voices haven't been improved
>new and improved input lag

Stick to emulation or wait for the PC version. The PS4 port is trash

>>385975543
This list always misses the 8 times speed and the second job as a pro.

>>385975960
Fuck I mean 4 times speed. Why is it a con? This game was never that hard.

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>>385962787
No.
The game is good but you can tell how the production/development was fucked especially in the original version.

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Agreed. Always thought so. The only problem was it took too long to play, and the new version fixes that with the turbo button. Vaan hate and gambit whining are relics and are out of style. The game is great, one of the best final fantasies.
My freshly created achievements list for the new version, attached

>>385975543

The lack of white in their eyes always bothered me.

>>385975543
>Stick to emulation or wait for the PC version. The PS4 port is trash
Always there to shove their fucking "emulate or wait for pc" , nobody likes you pc fag nobody cares about your fucking machine and your stupid nitpicky complaints

>>385976046
>>385975960
He's being stupid.

>>385976702

Cool drawing bro

How far are you? I just finished the Pharos, catching up on hunts I hadn't done yet, and getting some of the trophies and rare game I haven't spawned yet in the meantime.

>>385963306
>vaan is annoying
I never got this. he was never obnoxiously optimistic or needed to be the center of attention in every scene he was just your average joe helping is team carry out a job

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>>385962640

>offline MMO
>ahead of its time

>>385977185
Calling any game an MMO is actually pretty insulting.

Gave vaan monk what other class should I give him or should I have given him Shi & Foe? Also I'm not very far in the game/

>>385975543
The game always had letterbox cutscenes though, you must be forcing full screen through emulation. That's the the devs original vision. New depth of field effect is good but I agree there's too much bloom and motion blur. You forgot add specular and bump mapping effects to your pro list.

>>385977176
from the character design i was expecting him to be obnoxious like tidus but he's actually pretty monotone

>>385977176

People who complain about Vaan are autistic as fuck, him and Ashe have a very interesting relationship. I don't really understand why he was able to see Rasler/Venat when other characters couldn't. They could have gone into that more, but he was very important for Ashe's character development.

I can at least understand not liking Penelo much - she really doesn't add anything to the story IMO, aside from gasping in shock and occasionally being sympathetic to other characters.

>>385962640
Not at all in the slightest. In only seems that way from your perspective because every game released now is uninspired copypasta. FF XII is XI with a Prequel Trilogy Star Wars skin.

>>385970832
I personally like the new soundtrack but you can switch it freely back to the old one.
>>385975543
There's nothing wrong with the PS4 version.

>>385977185

Is that Bill Murray after Shenron turned him into a child?

>>385977309
Monk + Black Mage is one of the most OP combos in the game.

>>385977469
>I don't really understand why he was able to see Rasler/Venat when other characters couldn't.

I think they were trying to imply that the occuria were trying to turn Vaan into a new dynast king too like Ashe. Since he had the stone for a while, even if he wasnt related.

>>385979050

I figured that was the case too, but I almost wondered if he WAS somehow related to Ashe, or if the Occuria just saw something in him that they don't see in others. He has such a strong desire to be sky pirate/be free that this makes him more easy to manipulate into doing horrible things, maybe.

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>fighting adrammalech way too early
>throw out a quickening to end the fight since I'm so woefully unprepared
>25 chain
>he had his dumbass shield up and took no damage

>>385979849
>25 chain

why would you lie about a game in a thread full of people who have played said game

>>385977321
>The game always had letterbox cutscenes though
Nope.
>New depth of field effect is good
Absolutely not. It looks horrendous.
>You forgot add specular and bump mapping effects to your pro list.
Because they aren't pros, it's just different. The entire art style is changed, that's subjective.

>>385979996
you wanna fucking go? I'm a quickening chain master. sorry you're so bad you regularly flop out at 4-5.

>>385979586
He and Ashe were working off rage at the time. Pretty easy to manipulate that. Hell you spend half the game letting Ashe be manipulated while Vaan chills out

>>385968582
>realize your system is boring as shit
>include a fast forward option instead of fixing it
Bravo

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>yfw the occuria flipped when Ashe asked if it's okay to kill Venat

Laughed for a good minute

>>385962742
Every FF since 2 is Star Wars and 12 is far less so than most even numbered games.

>>385980625
Every jrpg should have a turbo option.

>>385981586
I would take good combat over a turbo option

>>385981779
The combat is the same as every other ATB ff game.

>>385962640
>still needlessly forces you to stop while taking out or putting away weapons
>not just having their weapons out while in the field and put away in town
terrible design choice

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What are the best licenses for everyone?
I have a peanut sized brain and I'm not sure how to figure out who would be good with what.

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12 gils

>>385982220
I think if you avoid machinist and foebreaker as primary classes you'll be fine

>>385979586
The Occuria were trying to manipulate Vaan same as Ashe. Vaan let go of his anger though and the Occuria knew they could no longer pulls his strings with petty illusions. Interesting thing to note is that if Van wasn't around Ashe would have done as the Occuria wanted, Vaan gets a lot of shit but he was the one who fucked up their plans.

>>385967606
Its great in spite of its fucked development.

>>385982869

Agree 100%, it's just a shame a lot of people couldn't figure that out without the game explicitly telling them this.

>>385982220
Vaan Shikari/Foebreaker
Ashe Bushi/Knight
Basch Uhlan/Archer
Fran Knight/Time Mage
Balthier White Mage/Machinist
Penelo Black Mage/Red Mage

Not as optimal as some people would suggest but the game is a fucking cakewalk with that setup. Has allowed me to fight the optional espers way underleveled/undergeared.

>>385965198
that's what mmo combat is

>>385970675
>A gift from literal immortal beings
>Interested only in the fates of mankind
>Never mentioned again
>Only mankind exists on the continent after however many hundreds of years
I wonder

>>385982591
What's wrong with breaker? It gets all the breaks in one class mayn.

>>385985426
The game is a cakewalk with any setup as long as you have a genji user and a healer. That said, Ashe should be Bushi/Monk for that sweet late game white magic, with the lores to use them, not to mention poles for flyers