FUCK

>>385933794
Anyone know a good mahjong game on steam where you can learn the rules? i.e. for noobs.

>>385933982
>Anyone know a good mahjong game on steam where you can learn the rules?
>on steam

Just play one of those browser games.

>>385933982
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html

>>385935312
>>385935715
why would I waste potential full straights on a browser game? It's not a money issue, I have tens of billions of yen already

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>>385936337
>Anyone know a good mahjong game on steam where you can learn the rules? i.e. for noobs.
>gets good recommendation
>hurr why would I play this
10/10 bait I'm mad

>>385936337
>waste potential full straights
What, you have some allotted number of full straights you can have in life? You're saying you genuinely believe in luck and you have a limited amount of it?
Fuck you, anon. Mahjong is too good for you.

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>>385937065
>You're saying you genuinely believe in luck and you have a limited amount of it?

Not everyone is a lesbian.

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>>385933794
>he never called Ron on a Yakuman
You don't know what you are missing.

>>385933794
git gud

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>>385937203
but everybody wants to be a lesbian

>>385937065
no nigger, but if I get a full straight in flash shit then the odds that I'll get another shortly after in yakuza become stupidly low

>>385937631
That's not how probability works.

>>385937387
What's a Yakuman?

>>385937631
cease fucking posting I'm going to pop a vein

>>385937694
>>385937727
yes it is you faglords
do you niggers seriously believe it's equally likely to win the lottery twice than it is to win the lottery once?

>>385937913

>probability 101
A previous anon was right, mahjong is indeed too good for you. Just stop playing.

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Japs have a fetish for overly complicated games filled with indistinguishable ching chong characters. Look at shogi. It would just be too fucking easy to have the pieces be easily recognizable shapes like in chess.

>>385937710

A yakuman is a really rare hand that happens once in a blue moon that is worth so many points it usually ends the game instantly

>>385938056
Shogi's not any more complex than chess is. Barring the moonspeak on the pieces, at least.

Is there a sort of gameplay commentary of riichi mahjong where a guy explains what he discards and why as he plays?
Learning the yaku alone isn't enough to win games

>>385938276
watch Akagi

>>385937994
>gets BTFO'd by these posts
>>385937631
>>385937913

>resorts to insults
Just accept that you're wrong.

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>>385936337

>>385937631

>>385938276
Japanese pro matches, the commentators actually do talk about that. Problem is, it's in Japanese. Sorry, anon, I'd like to help but I got nothing.

>>385938329
Akagi's more about the psychological aspect and is kinda pseudo-sciencey about it. It's a good watch, but I wouldn't watch it to learn to play.

>>385938329
I did but I didn't know almost anything about Mahjong when I watched it.

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>>385933794
>Huge game with with an insane amount of missions and hundreds of thing to do
>doesn't like Mahjong
>game has Mahjong
>9/10 to 5/10
fucking kek

>>385938506
it's because the game forces you to get insanely lucky hands in mahjong in order to complete it. that severely hurts the quality of the game, which would be amazing otherwise.
people complain about batting but I did that no problem since batting is actually based on skill. The Mahjong achievements, however, are pure luck because you have to not only win, but win with retardedly overly-complicated hands, the odds of getting are below one fucking percent.

>>385938276
http://osamuko.com/complete-beginners-guide-to-online-mahjong-part-1-how-to-play/complete-beginners-guide-to-online-mahjong-part-3-playan/

This is pretty much what you described.

https://justanotherjapanesemahjongblog.blogspot.com/ has some good explanations too.

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>>385938810

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>>385938734
Get the fuck out of here nigga

>open 3 dora tenpai in two turns
>two of the dragons are open
>waiting on a terminal
>two other players rush tanyao, calling literally every tile afterward
>they both got to tenpai and one of them ron'd before me

Fucking bullshit.

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>>385939796
>>385937203
>tfw this is literally calvinball to me

I learned both GO and Shogi really easily after a few reads and matches, but this game is ridiculous. Japanese terms aside, the rules make barelly any sense.

>>385939530
Normally, about 1.5% of winning hands have a Pure Straight and you win less than 25% of all hands so normally you get it in less than one in 200 hands. So his claim isn't completely inaccurate.

But that's normal gameplay where you try to win the game. Playing solely for a certain yaku means you have a way higher chance of getting it.

>>385933794
Watch Saki

>>385939530
Not Yakuza 0.

>>385940330
It's basically Japanese poker with tiles instead of cards.

>>385940547
this is the dumbest description ever. japanese mahjong is nothing like poker. you can't even bet, the most fundamental aspect of poker

>>385940362
>Playing solely for a certain yaku means you have a way higher chance of getting it.
That's what I was demonstrating with my image. If you know the game well you can get a straight very easily if you just play every round going for that specific hand without caring about winning.

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>>385937203
I didn't know Saki played on tenhou

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>>385933794
Don't give up OP, I also hate mahjong as it took me a week to complete it.

I watched a 3 hour long YouTube tutorial and a mahjong tournament to help me do this.

Can I pair a red 5 dora tile with a non red 5 tile of the same suit?

>>385941036
yes

>>385940437
It's still mahjong

>>385941036
The only thing different about the red dora compared to a regular tile is that it gives you an extra dora.

It plays as a regular tile aside from scoring purposes.

>>385941010
link to the video?

>>385941112
so the answer is yes? a red 5 and a non red 5 of the same suit still counts as a pair?

>>385941213
Yes

>>385941126
https://youtu.be/hlnC2rgIPrc

It's helpful if you don't have a single clue how to play mahjong like I did. You can slip a lot if it as some if it focuses in physical gameplay like shuffling and building the fort.

>>385941408
thanks pham. I'm in the same boat

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>like to platinum my games
>See the Yakuza 0 requirements
>see all the Mahjong shit you have to do
>get scared because I don't know how to play, put off playing Mahjong until I do everything else
>eventually get to Mahjong, read some tips by an anonymous and start playing
>get the hang of it in two hours
>Actually like playing Mahjong by the end of it all

Can't wait to do it again in Kiwami. The cat fight bullshit was worse

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I cant remember all the damn hands and what my opponents have/might play

Ive only won matches out of pure luck. Apparently making sets instead of keeping a full hand is bad? I dont get it

>>385941560
OP here, I completely finished catfight and batting.
Let me know if you need help with catfight because I have the strategy down

>>385941604
yeah me too. I'm just physically not smart enough to remember all the odds for all the hand combos

>>385941734
I got the platinum trophy months ago famalam, but thanks for the offer

>>385941604
>Apparently making sets instead of keeping a full hand is bad?
Do you mean calling opponents' tiles? There's nothing wrong with it. It'll cheapen your hand but it helps to complete your hand faster. Whether or not its better depends on the situation.

>>385941896

no, making sets of like 3 or 4 of a kind or a straight and putting it off to the side

I'm trying to get the haneman right now.

My strategy is going for a riichi + 7 pair combo. Will this work? Or is it dependent on getting wind tiles for bonus points?

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>>385941532
One last thing is to print or have it up on your phone/tablet when you play unless you can read Chinese characters. The one in the game is cluttered and takes a while to navigate to.

Best of luck!

>>385942003
This is what he said. Pon and Chi are called on opponents tiles, while Kan can be self called or borrowed.

>>385942268

oh, my mistake. but whenever I do pon or chi,m I always end up getting less points and my opponents come down with much more points

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It's not that hard

I was not interested in this game but now I might get it for the mahjong. How good is the mahjong anyway?

>>385937631
shut the fuck up icefrog and go back to "balancing" dota

>>385942469
Open hand usually lowers the han value of hand by one. Some hands don't allow your hand to be open (prime example- you don't get Han for open tsumo)

>>385942469
Calling tiles like this makes your hand "open" which reduces your options and makes many hands worth less if you win. The whole point of the riichi mechanic is that it incentivizes keeping your hand closed. Calling tiles is a good plan if you have the opportunity for multiple honors or dora tiles, or if you are in the lead and just want to end the round quickly. Otherwise, if you're trying to score big, keep that shit a secret and pay attention to how many of what tiles are left.

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>>385942112
Riichi + Tsumo + 7 pairs + Two dora (or ura dora) (or maybe tanyao + 1 red dora) is sometimes called a "shortcut to haneman". If your hand looks like crap, it's probably your best chance.

But it shouldn't be your only option. Riichi+Tsumo+Tanyao+Pinfu+Dora2 is another very simple way. Iipeiko, sanshoku, ippatsu and ura dora can be used for that style too. Try to go for that if your starting hand looks viable.

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UPDATE: OP HERE

I FINALLY GOT A FUCKING HANEMAN

NOW IT'S ON TO THE FULL STRAIGHT

HOW THE FUCK DO I GO OUT ON A FULL STRAIGHT

>>385942809

>you don't get Han for open tsumo

I have no diea what that means

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>>385933794
>Yakuza 0 would have been a 9/10 for me but the presence of mahjong reduces it to a 5/10 at best. Seriously what the fuck.

>>385942901
Beginners table and patience.

>>385942901
Full straight works if your hand is open. It's worth going for if you have at least 5 different tiles of the same suit in your hand early on, otherwise wait for a better hand. Pay attention to the opponent to your left, if they seem to be discarding a particular suit that you can use, your odds go up. It's one of the easier yaku to put together.

>>385939530
>goy
Oy vey

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>>385937203
Ha ha, you think that's bad?

>>385933794
It's really not that hard to do, I had literally never played Mahjong before but I managed to get the plat. There is some RNG involved in getting trophies for specific hands but otherwise all you need to do is watch some videos to learn the basics. Once you have a rough idea of how to play all the trophies become easily doable

can you make a set with 5 bam, 5 dot, 5 crak?

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>>385943440
I would have shit my pants

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>>385941560
>"I fucking loved Yakuza 0, maybe I should try and get the Plat"
>Only 0.4% got the Plat

I'm legit scared now, how hard is to get the plat?

>>385942965
Let's start from the beginning.
You can win a round by either drawing a winning tile (Tsumo) or by calling on opponents tile (Ron), but your hand must have at least one Yaku. Each Yaku is worth different amounts of Big Points (Han)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Mahjong_yaku
If you never called any melds during the game (Pon, Chi or Kan on opponents tile) your hand is closed, otherwise it is open.
If your hand is closed, win by Tsumo is a Yaku worth 1 Han. If your hand is open, Tsumo is no longer a Yaku.

>>385943551
No, but three matching chii's in each set e.g. 1-2-3s 1-2-3p 1-2-3w is a yaku

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Can't wait for Sega to remaster the older Yakuza games so op will make a thread about how horrible pachinko is.

>>385943440
Fucking lesbians.

get in here
tenhou.net/0/?L7447

>>385938734
A better comparison would be
>9/10 just finishing
>5/10 for completionists

>>385943198
let's say I have a full straight in my hand.
I now need to get any pair and any run of 3 (or any three of a kind).
Do I need to steal the final card in order to "go out"? Or will the Tsuomo option (or whatever) pop up once I have everything?

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reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>385943973
yeah, that's true.
but I'm an autistic completionist.

>>385943639
The Japanese mini games like Mahjong are difficult as no one in the West understands them. There are a couple in the park that are annoying but not difficult.

Climax battles can be difficult as they require you to do certain challenges. For example you need to defeat 3 bosses in a row but your health won't recover.

People also had a hard time with Cat fight. Didn't bother me at all as I went for 1 or 2 wins a day as you only need 10 wins. Bud the maximum amount of Yen and pick Jennifer and you have a good chance if winning all 3 rounds. Also read the message on the bottom to see if she had a good day or not.

>>385944162
Both Ron and Tsumo are perfectly fine. I don't think there's anything that you can Ron, but can't Tsumo.

>>385944162
The straight is enough to go out, the last meld and pair can be anything. You can draw the last tile you need yourself (tsumo) or call it (ron) but you win either way.

if I want to do Chii, do I HAVE to put down the set?

>>385943937
pls join

>ron
>no multiplier
>can't call ron
What the fuck is this bullshit?

>>385933982
There's this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/379960/Mahjong_Pretty_Girls_Battle__School_Girls_Edition/

But I've heard it kind of sucks and it's trying to advertise by pretending to be a porn game.

>>385945081
RON IS NOT A YAKU

>>385943639
It takes skill and determination but it is doable. You have to be willing to learn how to play some traditional Japanese and Asian games you've likely never even hard of before, as trophies rely on getting certain win conditions in them. Some of the games you can just follow guides on Youtube but some you'll actually need to have a rough idea of how to play.

So yeah as you can imagine, that is way too much effort for most people.

>>385943639
It's not super hard, just very time consuming.

The hardest thing was the arcade games, cat fights, and the climax battles. Everything else was doable to me

>>385944162
You can also complete the extra set and pair first, and win the hand on the 9th tile of the straight.

There is an old custom rule that would prevent that, but it's extremely rare these days, so I doubt Yakuza 0 has it.

It's also possible to end up in furiten this way, since if for example you have 45 waiting for the 6 to complete the straight, and draw the 3, you can't win and are now stuck in furiten, unable to ron. You can still tsumo, though.

Are all the Yakuza games hard to platinum?

>>385945916
Yes

I-Is it possible to call Pon instead of Ron in Tenhou? If so, I think I fucked myself

>>385945916
they're all very time consuming

>>385940547
It's more like Gin Rummy.

>>385946342
Yes. I can think of fringe cases where that's useful.

Pon is done by clicking the tiles in your hand and Ron is done by clicking the button that says ロン so it shouldn't be easy to fuck up.

>>385937631
Jesus Christ. Gambler's fallacy is real.

>>385946342
Should have turned on auto-ron.

what is kan?

>>385945071
3:4, let's get a game going

>>385946667
Four of a kind. It counts as one meld, and opens a new dora indicator.

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>>385946757
...so I'm not playign with you?
I clicked your link and pressed all kinds of chinese buttons there until I got a game

>>385946924
I'm a different guy, I saw the link and figured I'd hop in. There's nearly enough players for two simultaneous games.

t. >>385946757

>>385946924
3:4 means one game is waiting for one player, and another game has already started.

>>385947010
>>385947029
I see, thanks. Never played tenhou before so I figured I messed up and joined a random lobby

>turn 5 riichi
>still lose

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what do I do

please help

I hope you're ready for the pon palace.

God dammit JCon, that haitei

gg ez

>>385947472
discard 6 sou and pon like the filthy trash you are

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>>385947883

>>385943937
>think about why the game is telling you you can riichi, dont' see the winning hand at all
>drop your tenpai tile
>later, pick up useful tile,
>thinking about discard
>used up all thinking time on the riichi shit
>drop the tile
>RON
Yeah fuck tenhou, I'll stick to playing with friends

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>>385938276
wait a sec

FUCKING MAHJONG ASMR?

>>385946667
Essentially a triplet on steroids. You can call it if you manage to get all 4 of the same tile. Since it takes up 4 tiles instead of 3, you draw a replacement tile from the dead wall, and your hand is now 14 tiles (15 when completed) instead of 13 tiles (14 when completed).

There's three types of kan:
>Have all four of the same tile in your hand and declare kan with them.
>Have called a pon of a tile, then draw the 4th tile and declare kan with it
>Have three of the same tile in your hand, then someone discards the 4th and you call kan on that discard

Strategy for beginners: never do the third kind, it's worth the least and in most cases actually makes your hand cheaper. Always call the first two (unless you are defending) until you become good enough to figure when you shouldn't. Kans are high-risk high-reward plays.

>>385946601
not a fallacy

Played 2 hands now, and I'm already realizing I'm way off my game. I should probably play more, all these misplays holy shit.

3:4 get in here

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>>385938734
>below one fucking percent.
I've gotten Trophies with much, much worse odds. Maybe trophies are not for you? Maybe it's time to turn in your gamer card lil man.

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>>385948360
I'm not referring to the Playstation trophy statistics. Some of these hands require you to get a combo the odds of which are below 1%

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>>385937631
I'd like everyone in the thread reading this to stop and take a moment to appreciate how lucky they are to not be as retarded as this anon.

>>385949064
Oh trust me, I would've been posting smug anime girls all thread if I had a folder.

>>385948494
>>385948494
I know you aren't talking about trophy stats, they are unreliable and only accurate in difficulty under 2%. My point is this: How long does a hand take? If you are not willing to give ten hours to the trophy then you aren't serious about it to begin with.

I had to get all the DLC trophies in Battlefield 4, one of which required winning a momentum based objective game by "two" points, or was it one point? Anyway the mode was dead to begin with, and matches are generally blowouts, but when its close, the other team does everything they can to stop you. It took me several days of playing to trigger this, in a game mode nobody fucking plays. It's borderline impossible even co-ordinating with the teams on VOIP because of how the scoring system works.

Man up nigger, at least you're playing a good fucking game and you aren't doing multiplayer shit. Just come back to it every now and then if you can't stand the grind.

gg again

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Thanks for the discard bro

>>385947472
Discard the 4-sou pair. The general plan is riichi tsumo tanyao. You can get iipeikou or san ankou with just the current iishanten. Drawing extra manzu or pinzu lets you go for options like pinfu, a pinzu iipeikou, dora, or just a slightly wider iishanten. Even sou draws can help, giving you things like 25s or 369s waits, or potential of a 678 iipeikou or even a suu ankou.

anyone still wanna play?
2:8

>>385949720
Honestly, I'm still in my first match and I already want off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride. Getting thrown around real hard.

>>385949547

cant I just go for tanyou by dropping one 5bam?

>>385949852
You don't have a 5bam.

>>385949838
ganbare anon-kun!

>>385949720
on L7447? I haven't played in years.

>>385949927

5 dot*

>>385949952
On L7447 yeah. Have fun out there!

>>385949962
No, you'd be breaking a triplet there and going further away from a winning hand.

>>385949720
what does the 8 mean?

>>385937203
What a shitty scrub hand. Tsumo was the only way you could have gone out. You just got lucky.

>>385950380
8 players currently in game. In other words, 2 games ongoing.

>>385950174

what is a 4sou?

>>385938429

Plus, luck as a supernatural element is part of Akagi, and the final arc is about outplaying the lord of scrubluck.

>>385950505
4 bamboo tile

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>>385950545

but thats already in a pair

>>385949720
still 2:8 here

>>385949962
5 pin*

>>385938734

Cheevofags are the scum of the Earth.

>>385941604
>>385941826
"Making sets" by stealing tiles (chi/pon), is bad if it's a generic number tile*. It prevents you from calling Riichi and usually sets you up for a hand so shitty, the only way to go out is by Tsumo, self draw from the wall.


*terms and conditions apply etc..

>>385933794
>it's a mentally ill millennial plays videogames for "platting" them episode

Great job, you literal retard.

>>385940614
>you can't even bet
>he hasn't seen Akagi

>>385940547

It's a set-making game like Rummy, albeit with a far more elaborate scoring system. Calling it Japanese poker is as retarded as calling Go Korean Chess.

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>>385950636
You have to break either one of your 4 pairs, the triplet, or the straight. The goal of the game is to make straights and triplets. Breaking a pair is the only legitimate play here.

>>385942156
What is this crak/dot/bam bullshit? Are you playing with a bunch of retired Jewish grandmas in Ft Lauderdale, or are you playing with the fucking Yakuza? Call them wan/pin/sou if you don't want to look like a scrub.

>>385941560
why arent you on psn profiles if you're such a trophycuck?

>>385947795

Yeah, got lucky with that. I was trying to win quick throughout that hand.

That one wait on the 8 pin iipeikou was pretty crafty.

Apparently I can't reply to the thread, while playing or it stops responding. Unfortunate.

>>385950889
You can play for money, like you can any game, but it's nothing like poker where raising bets is the fundamental gameplay mechanic.

In Poker you can go all in with a Jack high if you want. In Mahjong a pinfu nomi will only ever get you 1000 points.

>>385938165
>>385938056
For fucks sake its not that hard to distinguish the pieces. You don't need to be able to read it to play, plus all you noobs saying this alphabet that a gorillion Chineses and Nips use every day is "too hard" makes you seem dumb

>>385951294
you win money if you end up first at the end of the game. It's the UMA

>>385951080
>wan
>not man

>>385951130
>Apparently I can't reply to the thread, while playing or it stops responding. Unfortunate.

Are you playing on flash or their weird new player?

Will I return to areas I've visited earlier?
They just kind of threw me out of Kiryu's area.

Post more plats.

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>>385951760
You can agree that you win money if you end up first in any game.

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should I take chii?

2 other 6bam down already

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>games where everyone pons everything

>>385949064
>has no counter-argument
>b-better call him retarded!

I haven't got a fucking clue how to play this game.

>>385952541
No, you literally have no yaku, you'd likely just lock yourself out of a winning hand.

>>385952541
No, if you call here you won't have any yaku.

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>>385950995

>>385937913
The second time lottery chance is exactly the same as the first
Winning the lottery twice is a different probability than winning the lottery a second time

>>385952683
don't worry one day you'll get it and still not win

Me trying to understand this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc

>>385952807
>Winning the lottery twice is a different probability than winning the lottery a second time

retard

>>385952880
>he's never taken a stats class

Calling on tiles isn't bad if your hand is absolute shit after mid-round. Having tenpai at the end of the round prevents losing points in case of draw.

>>385953121
there's no difference between "winning the lottery twice" and "winning the lottery a second time"

>>385953161
just fold and play safe. If you're not folding at least half your hands you're being way too aggressive.

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GGs

What does Pon do?

>>385953253
There literally is. Second time implies it's no longer grouped in with the first lottery so you no longer need to keep that in the equation

>>385953379
how the hell do you fold?

>>385953591
you still have not explained how "winning the lottery twice" is any different from "winning the lottery a second time"
it's the exact same outcome

>>385953627
You read the board and play safe tiles. If someone has called twice or if someone riichi's and you're more than 1 tile away from being ready or tenpai or whatever you should basically always fold, unless it's last round and you're in last, or near last round and you're miles behind and it's your deal or something.

is there nothing I can do with only 1 of each wind? I dont have Kokushi-Musou

>>385953731
"Winning the lottery a second time" assumes you've already won a lottery, and now only need to win one more.

"Winning the lottery a second time" means you've yet to win a lottery to begin with.

>>385953764
when you say fold do you mean quit the game?
because I don't see any option to fold

>>385953812
Nope. If you have those in your starting hand, you generally just discard all of them.

>>385953901
please proofread before posting next time

gg

>>385954021
gg, it was fun

>>385953904
You fold by playing safe tiles that are not going to lose the game for you. Stop trying to win at that point and throw away things that have already been played by the people in tenpai

>>385953904
By fold I mean play safe and try not to deal into anyone's hand.

gg

>>385953731
It's the exact same outcome but the probability is different
For the sake of ease let's just say the chance of winning the lottery is 1/10 or 10%
The chance of winning the first lottery is the same as winning the second lottery

Winning the second lottery means you're not lumping them together. You've already won the first lottery, therefore it is no longer a variable. This means it's a 1/10 chance or 10%. Same as the first

However if you're asking the question "What's the probability I win two lotteries?" then you haven't won the first lottery and have to multiply the probabilities together. 1/10 (odds of wining first lottery) * 1/10(odds of wining second lottery) = 1/100 (odds of winning both)

Winning the first lottery doesn't make winning the second more difficult

>>385953627

It means throwing away tiles that were important parts of the hand you're trying to make but that you know for a fact are safe. Once you do this, it's basically impossible to make a hand, but you also won't deal in unless you mega McFuck up.

>>385949064
I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid.
Either this is 100% bait or the anon genuinely thought as he writes in his first post then he realized how stupid it is, but couldn't go back.

>>385937631
Probability is constant, not cumulative.

>>385949371
>I had to get all the DLC trophies in Battlefield 4

why tho

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>>385938056
>indistinguishable ching chong characters
they say their names on them ffs, it's not more complicated than the fucking mysterious shapes

>>385955105

Really? Because I haven't gotten a 5 in a while and I'm overdue for one.

>>385933794
Learn to read the fucking discards

What's the point of Pons? I've been trying to win using them but some jerk always comes along and wins with a single Tsumo each time.

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>>385938734
Are you fucking trolling? I'll take the bait because what the hell. Do you honestly rate the worth of a game on trophies and achievements? Like, you enjoy it and then all of that enjoyment is neutralized by an unfair trophy requirement?

Kill yourself.

Is the room still up?
I wanna play some matches

>>385955697
useful for completing hands, cheap victory if you can get a streak going

>>385955785
The room never disappears, you can always try queuing. It has remained the de-facto English lobby for years. Even if there's no thread, you might get random opponents from some other community.

>>385955785
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
1:0 get in here lads.

>>385956305
2:0 let's go

>>385956483
queue hanchan too anon if you aren't already.

do 4 tile straights matter, or is it best to stay at 3

>>385941408
Good god these rules are stupid.

>>385955697
Opening your hand is good when you want to win fast.
For example, if there is a decent Riichi deposit from previous rounds or you have a decent hand that isn't much worse after opening. Or just to prevent enemy from scoring big - imagine opponent calling two triplets on prevalent wind tiles.

>>385936337
if you are so rich just hire a personal mahjong teacher in real life

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>>385941408
>mfw watching this video
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with japs. I can't think of any western game that comes anywhere even close to being this complicated. The basic premise is simple enough (make a valid hand) but the amount of tiny variations and mini rules and scoring protocols that you have to remember is bordering on autistic. I can only imagine this being played by extremely bored old people with literally nothing else to do all day but memorize obscure yaku combinations.

I've played Yakuza games and I can barely comprehend koi-koi let alone this shit.

>>385957037
Only 3 tile straights count as sets, but a 4 tile straight is a very efficient shape for forming multiple straights or a straight+pair.

>>385957064
>>385957234
It weeds out the brainlets who will waste everyone's time and not get serious

>>385957662
Why give up the opportunity to rob brainlets of their money?

>>385953467
Pon takes the enemy discard and combines it with a pair of your own, completing a set of 3 same tiles but opening your hand

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>>385942883
>somebody else read Ten

My man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlqQICczKhA

>>385957709
Because they chombo

>>385957709
Because people pretending to be brainlets make things complicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIYTQ8vkKaI

>>385957234
Mahjong has absolutely nothing on the sheer insanity of contract bridge.

Also, the Chinese variant has three times as many yaku and there's a minimum of 8 han. No riichi for simple winning.

Don't even get me started on the American version, which throws the concept of "4 sets and a pair" into the trash, and the only way to win are a couple dozen special hands which change every year, and the hand list costs like $50 to buy.

>>385933794
Anon, you could always just set the game to be hidden in your trophy list. That way only you will know your secret shame and no one else looking at your trophies will see that you are missing a platinum.

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you dont know the true pain of mahjong until you've played live on auto tables.

wish me luck this Saturday

>>385955270
The major difference is someone can tell a person that speaks and reads any language what a specific chess piece and they should have no problems remembering what it is based on the shape. Meanwhile, unless you can read the characters on shogi pieces, I doubt anyone that doesn't already read the language would be able to tell all the pieces apart.

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>1000 pt Ron
>4th place

>>385948360
>>385949371
are you autistic? don't you have better things to do with your time? I mean, I know literally everything is a waste of time, but for example, I'm trying to platinum MGS4. I've beaten the game like 3 times, one of which was the Big Boss Emblem (hardest difficulty, no alerts, no kills, no deaths, no healing items, no special items, under 5 hours). I've done the trophies that involve at least some amount of "content", like getting the Solar Gun or whatever, but I'm still missing 5 trophies, and they require me to do at the very least like 5 or 6 more runs.

I've experienced ALL of the content that the game has to offer, all of the gameplay situations and even the irregular secret items, etc. Why keep going at this point? MGS4 is one of the hardest games to platinum, it's not even "play this mode for a while until you get a thing", it's "plan this like 2 weeks in advance, if you're smart and follow a guide since the very first playthrough, you need like 80 hours to speedrun to platinum"

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>want to Ron the 1dot

the fuck is this

>>385959643
memorize the yaku

>>385959643
RON IS NOT A YAKU

>>385959643
you don't have any yaku.

>>385959643
You opened your hand for no reason. Protip: the north only counts as a yaku if you're in the north seat (or if you're playing some freaky rules where there's a north round).

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>>385937526

>>385938056
Fuck I spent literally all night one day playing against that old man in sotenbori when I first found out about shogi. I couldn't beat him all night and when I finally did, I was so fucking happy. This game is addicting as hell.

>>385959840
that could be an all triplet hand

Well, that was fun, I'm making beginner mistakes again like behaving as if Dora is a Yaku (it's not)

>>385956305
Fuck, good games

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>>385937631
This is the closest thing I have to a smug anime girl.

>>385960160
Could be worse, you could read the Man tiles wrong and call a wrong hand.

>>385960092
4 pairs is generally not good enough for an all triplet hand, especially with no dora or yakuhai. That hand should probably have aimed for 7 pairs, keeping the dora that was discarded on turn 1.

>>385960165
gg, went for two silly kokushii in a row at the start and got punished hard.

>>385958738
fuck that
that's for cowards and pussies

>>385952631
Do you believe that Luck is a stock that all humans are born with and it slowly decreases as events occur in their lives?

>>385960485
Perhaps. But when a game has online-only trophies and I refuse to get PS+ because I'm not paying for online play, I don't care to show off said trophies. I also don't see the point in showing off a game I played for 5 minutes but then dropped and never played again because it was boring.

>>385960519
so you believe that the odds of winning one lottery are the same as winning two separate lotteries?

>>385960261
I think it's been like 4 years since I last sat down and played a game of mahjong. You never really forget that shit once you've learned it once.

Good old chii-toi-tsu never ever lets me down.

>>385956305
Anyone still up for a game? I've signed up

>>385960674
>a game I played for 5 minutes but then dropped and never played again because it was boring.
this is why I actually research games before buying them.

>>385933794
>>385933982
Read Kaiji manga, specifically the third part but to understand third part I recommend going through Parts 1 and 2 first, there's anime with 2 seasons that are both 1:1 perfect adaptations of Parts 1 and 2 so you can start with those.
Kaiji's 3rd part features a simplified Mahjong along with some rules to help you going.
Then you can get into Akagi.
That should get you up to speed for basics.

>>385960789
I do as well, but when you start up a game everyone seems to like and says it GOTY material but it doesn't click with you, what do you do?

Take the Uncharted series, for example. Everyone says its great, I liked all of the Jak and Daxter games made by Naughty Dog, I generally like 3rd person character action games, but I just didn't like Uncharted.

>>385960679
The odds of winning two lotteries are lower than the odds of winning just one, but winning the first lottery doesn't make your chance of winning the second lottery go down. The first lottery has no impact on the results of the second. You fucking inbred.

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OP HERE

I FINALLY WENT OUT WITH A FULL STRIAGHT

NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THE RIICHI IPPATSU STRATEGY

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>>385961238

Good job idiot, now you'll never get one in Yak 6.

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RON

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>>385961295
good thing I'm playing Yak 0

>>385961238
you need to get tenpai with a closed hand, riichi and win with a tsumo on your first draw.

>>385961238
Literally just go for the fastest closed tenpai and insta-riichi. Ignore everything but closed hand tile efficiency.

>>385961473
>>385961554
what's tenpai again?

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Use this guide and have fun.

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>>385961613
...a hand one tile away from winning.

>>385949547
now this is terminal autism

>>385961785
ohhh right.

>>>385961554
>closed hand tile efficiency.
by this do you mean the increase probability of getting tiles that haven't yet been discarded?

>>385962579
http://osamuko.com/tile-efficiency-101-part-1/

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>>385960886
RON RON ROOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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>>385961705
>not posting the cute anime girls version

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>>385964126

is this thread actually about Mahjong?

god fucking hell 275 replies to a thread about Mahjong

>>385964879
Maybe /v/ doesn't have shit taste after all.

>>385962579
yes and no. making efficient discards to maximize the range of useful tiles ypu can draw. here's a basic example:

you have an isolated 5sou and a green dragon tile. you have to decide whitch one to toss
ignoring other external factors, that 5sou will become useful if you draw a 3sou, a 4sou, a 5sou, a 6sou or a 7sou for a total of 19 possible draws (in theory) your green dragon will only be useful if you draw another one, meaning only 3 other possible draws.

this is the basic idea. this example is pretty straightforward but you can apply it to all your discarfs to reach a state of readyness faster than your opponents.

>>385965202
I try to think like this, but every time I do I discard the tile with nothing linking me to it and my next three draws are always either another one or tiles linked to it. And I've already thrown it away so I don't want to keep those in case it ends up putting me in furiten later.

>>385949547
I like Sonic the hedgehog. You can press any of the three buttons and he jumps

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>>385965046
The Mahjong minigames in Yakuza got me to try out waifu mahjong games.

Which ones are you favorites, /v/?

How the fuck do the tails stay where they are when Tails is rolling around?
The only way it makes "sense" is if Tails is actually rolling sideways but moving forward.

>>385965589
The saki doujin 2p game is fun.

>>385964879
>>385965046
This thread is basically a mix of oldfag /a/, /jp/ and /v/. Newfags would never like stuff like Yakuza, Akagi or Kaiji let alone fucking Mahjong.

Does anyone have the cracked tenhou client if thats still a thing? This thread made me want to play, but I instantly remembered how much suffering the web version was

>>385965729
maybe its like a fidget spinner ?
No that doesnt make sense

>>385966120
minomino.org

>>385933794
>making youself miserable over acheevos

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>>385941604
>and what my opponents have/might play
You don't have to remember it all, just pay attention to what discards came up after someone declared riichi, these are 100% guaranteed to not be something that you'll get ron'd on.

>>385966293
Thank you friend

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>>385943440
>>385937203
The amount of luck in these is unfucking believable.

Imagine these being your first ever yakumans. You'll start screaming at the fucking monitor and all you're playing is a fucking ancient chinese tile game.

>>385966409
Only by that player, another player might set up their hand so that those "safe" tiles are their winning tile.

since there are bunch of japanfus here...
whats the deal with Pachinko?
I tried to play it like once in yakuza 4 and had no idea whats going on

>>385966841
Well, obviously, but that's a more complex strategy.

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Anyone want to play in tenhou? Fuck if I remember how to set up a game though, it's been a while.

I once played with /a/ and it was kinda fun

>>385967036
Traditional gambling is outlawed in Japan, as in literally illegal.
So they came up with the idea of Pachinko.
In the simplest terms, it's a variant of a slot machine but you play using balls and buy those balls to play with them.
Since you won't win any money, but balls (just like toys in toy vending machines) it doesn't technically count as gambling under the existing laws.
You can then go to a special exchange point where you can sell the balls for money or gifts.

>>385967036
>japanfus
What the fuck?
Also pachinko is just dropping balls down a course, that's literally it, there's nothing to get.

>>385967429
just go to lobby 7447 and wait around, someone is bound to show up there

>>385968523
I think I will. On a side note, I can read most of the interface which is a surprising feeling after years of studing moon on and off.

>>385937913
Maybe if you're playing on the same machine or game but the probability in one system doesn't affect the other you mongoloid. No wonder casinos make mass dosh.

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>>385968678
>captcha: bravo fahrbahn

>>385938056
>I don't understand a culture so it must be complex

I bet you think chopsticks are too complex to use too.

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>>385933794
>an achievement ruined the game for me

>>385953253
There is a difference between winning at a game twice on different machines vs winning twice in a row on the same machine.

Seriously you're retarted.

>>385959047
You're right anon, those damn Asians should have made sure make it understandable to English speakers back when they first invented it. How dare they be so selfish.

>>385960092
but there's a chi

Mahjong takes a long time to learn if you're not going to dedicate a lot of time to it, but it's a very fun game once you get through the beginner pains and into the intermediate realm.
>>385953253
Flipping two coins in a row, your chances of getting heads twice is 1/4. But if you flip the first coin and get heads, before you flip the second coin, your odds of getting heads twice is now 1/2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability

>>385970768
Do you know what conditional probability is? Gambler's fallacy.

>>385970768
Anon he's probably a high school dropout. No matter how much you try to explain the basics of probability to him he's not going to understand unless it's a picture or somthing. Even then he'll probably still not get it.

It's funny watching Yakuza fans bitch about mahjong. I'm a mahjong fan and I got into Yakuza solely so I could beeline to the nearest jansou and spend hours throwing tiles.

>>385970952
Started playing mahjong solely because of yakuza. Never even beat 4. Just got to the part where you're supposed to get some plate by winning at mahjong and never stopped playing. Eventually dropped the game to play on tenhou

>>385970874

Not at all.

Gambler's Fallacy is the belief that an outcome is certain or far more likely the more attempts there are.

Ex. It's 1/2 chance to get heads. If you get tails, then there is only heads left (a 1/1 chance) as you already got heads out of the two outcomes.

Conditional Probability can never make something more likely than it would be in a vacuum though.

Ex. 1/4th of a chance to get heads twice is still two 1/2 chances, succeeding on one will only reduce it to 1/2, or the probability that you get heads in one flip. It will never become more likely than that.

>>385967436

It's more like the pachinko balls are 'tickets' in an arcade. You can exchange them for a prize and then sell them at an 'totally unaffiliated' establishment nearby.

>>385970768

Yes, but if you flip two coins and at least one of them is heads, what is the probability the other is heads?

>>385941408
>how to play Mahjong
>literally 3:30 hours long
jesus
fucking
christ

>>385972002
that's retarded. no one is ever going to flip heads 5000 times in a row. therefore, if you miraculously flipped heads 4999 times in a row, the odds for the 5000th head would be soooo insanely low that you could bet your life against it

>>385972350
>pretending to be retarded
lol

>>385972486
can you find a single flaw with what I said?
Oh, that's right, of course you can't.
You physically cannot flip heads more than like 100 times in a row

>>385972653
You can, your odds are just tiny.

>>385972002
excluding things where you can count cards, etc, in gambling, you're supposed to tough out the "bad streak" by betting low. for example, it's true that heads/tails is a 50/50 chance, but what's the chance that it will be heads TEN times in a row? not big, but possible. now what are the odds that it will be tails A HUNDRED times in a row? very small. you're not looking at each case individually, but at a bigger system of "there's an x% chance this will happen x times consecutively", which is why people bet against the streak. every flip is isolated, sure, but the odds of a 50/50 outcome being the same every flip become smaller and smaller as time goes on- for example, you wouldn't bet on "100 tails in a row" because it's very improbable

statistics is an invented concept to calculate probability, but the concept of probability can alter depending on the point of view

>>385972780
but it becomes SO unlikely that you virtually cannot.

>>385972943
Doesn't mean it can't be done. It also doesn't mean the next time you pick up a coin and keep flipping it you won't get a hundred heads.

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>not playing the superior mini game

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>385972780
wait so you admit that you would have a huge advantage betting on tails if heads was just flipped 99x in a row?

>>385972350
If I flipped 4999 heads in a row, the probability of the coin being rigged would be so high that the next toss is almost certainly a heads as well.

>>385973358
pocket circuit was fun as fuck
I didn't even see the twist ending to the storyline coming (although in retrospect it was fairly obvious)

>>385973383
No, the odds of getting one tail in the next hundred tosses has a huge advantage over flipping heads in the next single toss.

>>385973416
ok, so you admit that gambler's "fallacy" isn't even a fallacy then.

>>385933794
Can't you set it up similar to beating chess mini-games in video games online?

/jp/ has a mahjong thread up at all times. it's a great place to ask for help and commiserate loses

>>385970492
You know darn well that's not what I'm saying. My point is that chess has a universal and instant entry point in that the pieces are little figures depicting a specific role as opposed to Shogi tiles requiring you to memorize what certain characters mean right out of the gate.

>>385973778
If there's no turn timer and you know enough Mahjong to know how to win a hand, then actually yes. But you'll only get the most efficient win, not the biggest or with a specific hand like OP needed.

>>385973937
how is learning a simple character to know what the piece does any different than learning what a horse shaped piece does?

The last game in 7447 was fun as fuck, can't believe I managed to squeeze out a win after that shitty beginning.

>>385973937
The word "Rook" doesn't explain anything about the game more than a small sculpture of a castle does.

Mahjong is pretty easy. I never go for fancy hands, just tanyao+riichi/yakuhai. I get the occasional yakuman, but I never go out of my way to chase them.

The most important skill to learn is defensive play. Know when to give up your hand and play safe tiles to avoid getting Ron'd.

>>385974547
Not as much fun when 2 people give up like that, but well played and that isn't your fault. I couldn't come back from those first two S3 hands.

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>>385974794
Not chasing the highest hands always and playing like a pussy will never get you to the meaningless death that is the essence of mahjong.

You quadruple faggot.

>>385974794
I play like that in L0 but 7447 is the place to let loose and burn your urges. It's just unfortunate it's not so populated anymore.

>>385975519
Another anon, I'm up for a game but there's only 0:0 all around. One game has 0:3 but I imagine the right number are spectators or something?

>>385975792
It's Queued:In Game, it makes more sense when you look at L0 because there are more numbers. The 3 in game is because the bottom two rows are the three player gamemode Sanma, which is slightly different.

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>>385975519
L0 often has more than a handful of regulars, but the coordination is done more in the discord.

>>385975792
They are playing the degenerate 3 player version.

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>that feel when having fun playing Yaku Mahjong but too stupid to memorize Yakus and what works with open hands

>>385975792
You can see all games in progress (on a 5 minute delay) by checking the second tab.

>>385975928
>the discord
The osamuko community is a fucking cancerous in-crowd circle jerk.

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>>385975928
As much as I like Saki, there is some intense bullshit in almost all the rounds.

>>385976327
Every mahjong manga is full of bullshit. No one wants to read about someone folding a iishanten pinfu because someone riichi'd for 50 chapters. Because that's most hands.

>>385953253
If you've already won the lottery once you're already statistically more likely to win twice than all of the people who have never won.

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>>385960886
>Kaiji
>Akagi

I can see you are a man of culture.

Naki no Ryuu, Ten and Tetsunaki no Kirinji are the best mahjong manga.