Is it just me or is competitive Pokemon fucking garbage now?

>>385932543
It was never good.

Play singles

>>385932656
I played through gens 1-6 and 3-5 were excellent and mostly well balanced.

>>385932543
At least it looks better than that one tourney with pretty much teams of all the same 5 legendarys.


How was not garfield ran?

>Krookodile
What happened

>>385932543
Pokemon would be better if psuedo-legendaries were either banned or restricted to one per team.

I know some psuedo-legends aren't that overpowered but fucking enough already with OU just being Uber-lite, especially now with those fucking Tapu faggots on every goddamn team now.

>>385933135
Dark stopped being a shitty type

>>385932543
Play RU and NU where there's less cancer. OU is chaos now and needs at least five bans to function. VGC is best stayed away from as far as possible.

Or you can play the patrician metas Monotype and Smogdubs

>>385932543
dont play standard OU, do something like monotype OU

>>385933286
Yeah but why Krookodile? Is it intimidate?

Letting legendaries in years ago was a mistake that everything went downhill from then on.
Then megas happened.
Then primals happened.

>>385933441
Intimidate is really good in doubles
Sky-high attack and decent enough speed to be scarfed
Has strong STAB spread move
Has knock-off, which is really OP now

>>385933508
Pokemon was always unbalanced, hell Chansey shoulda been banned like Mewtwo

>>385933286
Dark was never a shitty type, anon.

>>385932543
>no more primals of healthy meta
>but now we have tapus and UBs of anti fun
Neat.

>>385933675
Intimidate needs to affect a single pokemon in doubles to balance it

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>>385932543
>There are less than 300 legal Pokemon to use because it's Aloladex only, Solgaleo + Lunala banned
>surprised and upset that only a small handful are considered viable
Wow. Quality thread, OP

>>385932543
Competitive pokemon died long ago. Gen IV competitive was the peak.

Now Fire Emblem Heroes is the new competitive pokemon.

>>385933771
Fighting types were popular then making Dark types unviable

>>385933771
>dark was never a shitty type

It was until gen 6. The only dark type in OU before gen 6 was tyranitar, and that's only because of sand stream+psuedo-legendary.

>>385933203

Basically, this.

Yeah, we'll end up getting into a shouting match over shit like Rotom and Phione, but that's worth it to stop Tapus, Genies, UBs, and every other fucking group of assholes from completely shitting up the game.

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>>385933946
meanwhile in vgc 2015

>>385934041
Fucking Amoongus's existance still pisses me off

>>385933946
Playing on showdown rn don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Oh, you thought the OP image meant we were actually talking about your garbage VGC format? Lol.

>>385932830
>5
>weather wars
>click outrage >win
>well balanced
no

>>385932543
It was always garbage because Gamefreak can't balance for shit, and gen 6 is the highlight of that.
>Primal Groudon

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>>385934041
>that champion who managed to fit Scrafty on his team

>>385934201
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit:

>>385932543
>Also, tournament winnings still fucking look like this
He's very clearly referring to VGC, at least as a jumping-off point for the thread.

NuPokemon is shit anyway, so the sentiment can apply to any tier if you want it to

>>385932543
>playing or watching VGC
>surprised when its unbalanced as fuck
why do this?

>>385932543
Go back to your containment board.
>>>/vp/

>>385934360
>weather wars

Were amazing

>click outrage to win

Only shitters really had a problem with that, honestly. Dragons were OP because almost every dragon had massive BSTs, not because Dragon was a particularly OP type.

Notice the introduction of fairies did fuck all to dislodge top-tier dragon Pokemon from their positions. Wonder why.

>>385934607
t. Politoed

>>385934607
Because the strongest Fairy move was 40bp

>>385934041
>No new Megas added
>No real harmful nerfs for existing ones
>barely any new Pokemon added, most are bottom-tier garbage
>Only big additions are Tapus and UBs
It's funny that 2018 VGC is going to look almost the same as 3 years ago, when it was in one of its worst years

>>385932543
>the higher the placing the more consistent the team is with the rest

jesus christ

>>385934450
Hey dipshit you know that's the very first image when you Google "competative Pokemon," right?

Because I am OP, and I didn't really care which tournament I grabbed it from because I know from experience singles are just as bad right now, but VGC has always been hot trash.

>>385934731
>the strongest fairy move was 40bp

Blatant lie?

Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Play Rough (all 80bp and up) were introduced the same time fairies were.

This kind of shit is why I don't play pokemon. The single-player is so piss easy you can beat it just by overleveling a single unevolved pokemon, while the multiplayer is nothing but tryhards using meta strats and perfectly optimized pokemon that either took 20 hours each to breed and level or were just hacked in, where you will just be instantly shit on unless you're doing the same thing.

Non-meta stuff being unviable isn't new.

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>>385934824
>he actually Googled "competitive Pokemon"

>>385935069
No but it's especially bad now.

You can't even just mess around at the bottom of the ladder for fun because the meta shit is just such an obvious choice.

>>385934942
Moonblast isn't a TM move, Dazzling Gleam is and its shit.

>>385932543
Wrong boar, fucker.

>>385932543
other than garchomp gyarados and polygon 2, why are these others top tier? especially curious about marowak. This is for doubles im assuming?

tfw no more infernape rape

I miss the king

>>385935139
I knew exactly what kind of image I would get, bitchboi.

Sorry you lack intuition.

>>385935258
Yeah its shitty VCG rules

>>385935186
you can play stuff besides OU...

>>385935276
>Googles Competitive Pokemon
>calls other a bitch

>>385935194
>it has to be a TM move or its unobtainable somehow

>80bp 100% accuracy move is "shit"

Are you retarded?

>>385932543
Were the top place finishers teams hacked? Or legit bred?

>>385935258
This was from late last year, so it's outdate. Alolan Marowak has insane power with Thick Club, doesn't mess with Item Clause, and has Flare Blitz can can easily OHKO Celesteela.
But he fell off big time. Too slow for most matches but not slow enough to move first in Trick Room, and subpar bulk. Arcanine is the preferred choice for a physical Fire-type.

>>385935406
Why are you in a thread about competitive Pokemon if you're complaining about competitive pokemon

>>385935426
Fairies are shit because Dark Types

>>385935069
It is.

I remember Gens 4-6 I would port my NU teams to OU for funsies and I would do surprisingly well.

That shit will NOT fly now.

The suicide lead glass canonteam meta in gen IV was more fun, matches take forever now

>>385935540
Because fuck you this is my turf now fgt

>flat ban on all legendaries
(Nobody is going to fucking miss Regigigas)
>one pseudo allowed per team
>stealth rock is fucking flat out removed

How does the game improve?

>>385932543
I tried to make a for fun team with my faves but it's so tiring seen the same crap all the time.

Fucking Tapus and UBs, holy shit why can't they be banned like every legendary?

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>>385932543
Doubles are a retarded format. Pokemon was made to be 1v1 - even when double battles were introduced in 3rd gen, it was clunky and basically a race to team up on one of the other team's pokemon with your own.
But thanks to VGC, that's what is played now.
But yeah, most teams were kinda cookie cutter even going back to 2nd gen, SkarmBliss is a good example.

>>385935637
Team preview killed pokemon.

>>385933135

Dark-type Stored Power + Moxie

>>385935621
Nice anecdote.

>>385935782
Regigigas can cause big problems if you dont have a whirlwinder left

>>385935836
Zoroark would be fucking terrifying without Team Preview. The paranoia would never go away. Anyone could he Zoroark and you'd never know till it's too late.

>>385935836
I really hate they added zoroak when team preview came out, that would've made it fun without that

>>385935805
>UBs

nice meme

after the dust settled the only busted one was banned and only bamboo rocket princess turned out to be sustainably good

>>385935990
Never would have thought team preview being so bad until you brought up Zoroark

>>385934041
>>385934432
post the one with Pachirisu

>>385935782

stealth rock is irrelevant in official doubles format, pseudos have the same stat total as legendaries you want banned and limiting to one pseudo would mean every team either had dragonite, tyranitar, garchomp, metagross or salamence. giving every team one MEGA offers more variety than that..

>>385935621
/vp/'s Showderp teams on Pokemon Showdown were great to watch in Gen V era.
Stuff like Quiver Dance Venomoth or Metronome Togetic killing OU teams was hilarious.

> complains when you dont google something
>complains when something is gogled

That's /v/

>>385936315
>dragonite, tyranitar, garchomp, metagross or salamence

Yeah teams full of Pokemon of this tier should never have been a thing. There should have been a limit from the beginning.

>>385932543
It has always been about picking a team from a very small selection of meta Pokemon, precisely BECAUSE everyone else does.

If there are certain Pokemon that just blatantly dominate the game, or certain strategies, you have to pick a counter to that 99% of the time to have any chance at winning. And that's why I've never liked it. I want to pick the Pokemon I like and come up with creative, fun teams... not just pick one of the same three teams everyone else uses and rock-paper-scissors the whole thing.

This is why, as far as Smogon rules are concerned, UU and lower are ALWAYS the most fun tiers to play in, but even those suffer meta problems.

>>385936123
reading comprehension.

I never said UBs were OP nor do I care. I said it's tiring to see the same ones every time.

But I guess I expected too much of someone who responds with the word "meme".

>>385936742
>I don't like it because it's common

sorry for assuming your complaint wasn't utterly shallow

>>385936735
Pretty much this whole post. Everyone complains like OU is the only meta that exists, and like somehow playing to win is a bad thing.
I blame the devs for PvP being shitty, not the players.

>>385932543
>now
Only gen4 was remotely good

>>385936967
>playing to win is a bad thing

In a game as competitively hopeless and utterly broken and unbalanced as Pokemon, yes, being a meta-whore and using copy-paste smogon teams makes you a little faggot.

Like, what are you playing to win at? Who can exploit the most overpowered gimmick first? Lol.

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Competitive Pokemon has literally always, always, ALWAYS been terrible.

>>385936883
>Battling the same team every time isn't boring
You can keep trying to "win" but it's just the truth, about any game.

>>385937187
At the tippy-toppy-actually-making-money levels, yes.

At /v/-tier-players who use what they like but still have a deep knowledge of how the game works, shit was cash.

Now even the biggest casual uses only the best of OU.

>>385935618
What did he mean by this?

>>385936883
sure I'll just keep fighting the same iteration of cookie cut team for the hundreth time

>t-this game is d-dd-eep guys!!! I swear!!!

>>385937187
>Legendaries bow to the Snorlaxes
>In contact with Leftovers
>Rumored to run Belly Drum to counter Miltank
>Control gen2OU with an iron fist
>Direct cause of the SkarmBliss core.
>Will set up on your special attackers
>In the process of paralyzing your switch ins
>Own basically every single check in the tier
>Every team needs two Snorlax checks
>Said to have 99% usage
>Ancient Alph Ruins scriptures tell of a fat cursing creature dominating the meta
>That's Snorlax
>Has sets to deal with every single Pokemon in the tier
>You likely have a Snorlax in your Gen2 team right now
>Every team has to have Snorlax and Skarmory
>Snorlaxes are in regular communication with the Gen2 tier council forcing them to keep him in the tier.
>Discovered Rest Sleep Talk
>Made a battle last a week
>Tier Council allows them to centralize the meta around it
>Tier Council entrusts them with the balance of the tier
>Snorlax Meta is 18 years old from the space-time reference point of the base human.
>In reality it has lasted for 300 years if you take into account all the time spent in battles by all 4 players in gen2OU.
>Snorlax will guide gen2OU into a new age of wisdom peace and love.

>>385937170
Getting your Pokemon knocked out means you lose, don't get mad at people because they want to win. Competitive Pokemon is shallow, just don't play it instead of being mad about that.

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>>385937170
Yep, there is a point where using WINNING AT ALL COSTS isn't worth it, that's why shit like showderp happened, a stylish loss with team using out of the box tactics is far more fun then a netdecking Smogon Win.

Competitive pokemon has always been absolute dogshit.

>>385937170
The problem with this is that if you want to even have a CHANCE at winning you literally have to use a meta team. It's not about trying to prove you're the best at it. If you do not use the meta, you can NOT win 90% of the time no matter how skilled you are.

Thus, it turns the whole game unplayable outside of the people who are willing to go with the meta exclusively. This is a problem in pretty much all competitive vidya, but at least most other competitive games with a broad selection of characters they frequently rebalance things, nerfing some characters and buffing others, so the meta constantly shifts. With Pokemon? It almost never changes, and when it does it's rarely a drastic shift. Things like Garchomp, Chansey, the Tapus, Smeargle, and Celesteela will always be high up there, give or take a bracket, and things like Golem, Butterfree, Crabominable, Leafeon, and Aurorus will ALWAYS be terrible.

>>385937704
Actually it could be fun if You'd stop being such a little faggot.

>>385932543
stop playing vgc

Gen 4 NU was the shit and Haydunn was its undisputed king

>>385937779
There are over 5 fucking tiers to play. Just pick something other than OU, Ubers, or VGC you fucking mong

>>385937858
>Just go easy on me

No just play a different game, whining because "the way you won isn't FAIR" when they're not even using any glitches is being a faggot. All about the W, anything else is scrubbing and that's how it is in all games.

>>385932543
>Oh no how dare people want to win and use the best tools available for them to win!
Why is /v/ so full of whiny scrubs who can't ever git gud so they are always full of excuses?

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>competitive Pokemon

>>385932543
>Now
Were you not here for Geniebowl 2013-2016

>>385937187
I'm glad Snorlax chess still exists 2bh, he could've been banned if Smogon had its full-on council setup in GSC

>>385933286
It still is.

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>tfw get to play and win with my favorite Pokemon
>tfw my favorite is great competitively
Feels good that she is a good meta pick.

>>385938057
There are still meta teams in every tier. The lower tiers are broader, but they still suffer this. And after twenty years of it, with the tiers hardly changing (especially over the past decade)... it gets really stale.

>>>/vp/

>Competitive Final Fantasy IV
>Competitive Dragon Quest V
>Competitive Chrono Trigger
>Competitive Phantasy Star II

>Competitive Turn Based Role Playing Games

>>385938083
It's fucking Pokemon, you have to be seriously pathetic to take it so seriously . If you think You're hot shit add me on steam and fight me in a game that requires actual skill.

It's your choice, shit-talking bitch, add Fancy Cabinet and I'll take you on in anything and shove your W up your ass, INCLUDING Pokemon.

You won't, though.

>>385938439
>Competitive Turn Based Role Playing Games
>implying competitive Final Fantasy V wouldn't be fucking great

>>385938439
Yes, that's the niche Pokemon made for itself. You got a point to make or something?

>>385936616
Nope. Just one stupid faggot.

>>385938439
Well, the RNG in Pokemon is far more manageable compared to other RPGs

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what would you think of a meta where you cant use evs, natures, tms, egg moves or items? also abilities must be set to the default slot 1 ability

>>385938949
But all of those things are good???

Why would you want to remove EVs of all things?

>>385939036
basically make a gen 1 meta with more options

>>385932543
>Is it just me or is competitive Pokemon fucking garbage now?
Tauros and paralysis
Snorlax
Skarmbliss
Garchomp and Heatran/Cress core
Weather Wars
Megas

pokemon has some of the worst balancing and power creep I've ever seen in a competitive anything

I know it's not feasible to balance all ~400 fully evolved pokemon but damn they don't even try

Avoid OU and VGC if you want to fight fun teams

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>>385932543
>competitive Pokemon

>>385938556
>Guy bitching about comp Pokemon is an angry autist

Not even surprised.

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>mfw still using a gen 6 team with no z moves
>mfw postive winrate

Diggersby is broke

It was only ever good in gen 4.

>"people use good stuff too much"
>just play lower tiers
>"b-but it's the same shit there with different mons"

I don't what you were expecting, just play low ladder AG if you want to have "fun" with your "bros"

>Pokemon is shit now because you have to be good to do well
Woooooooooooooow

Why can't I deliberately use bad teams and still win?

>RNG: The Game
>Competitive
Pick 1

>>385939212
The problem is they still can't decide if they want to balance for single player or multiplayer when it's clear they should balance for multiplayer as that would result in a richer single player experience anyways for a game with Pokemon's systems, and as a result both balances are weak

>>385937779
>If you do not use the meta, you can NOT win 90% of the time no matter how skilled you are.
That's why there are plenty of videos of people winning in the high showdown ladder with meme teams, right? Your problem isn't the meta being too restrictive, it's just that you're shit.

>>385932543
>now
Competitive Pokemon has always been cancer.
I miss being a kid when all that mattered was how cool your mons looked.

>>385940219
That feel when Hyperbeam on everything

Dragons as a type fucking suck.

Can only hit Dragons Super effectively, is resisted by steel types and fairy types are immune, only resists fire/water/grass/electric moves, is weak to ice, fairy and Dragon.

Dragon Pokemon also have a habit of having really shitty typing, Dragon/Flying and Dragon/Ground.


Why did GF think it was a good idea to nerf them?

>>385934607
Yeah nah, fuck off cuck. Weather wars restricted you to the exact same copy paste teams with literally no variety. Exactly the same problem as gens 6 and 7.

>>385938093
It's boring and ends up just being rock paper scissors with more steps.

>>385940610
Because most dragons were legends or stats fit for "boss mons" due to their issue with still attempting to balance for SP as well as MP, plus by having a designated Dragon-killer type that's fairly common kiddies who get walled by not being able to solo the Leaders or E4 who specialize in them with their starter's primary STAB will know "I need to get one of those Dragon-killers" and thus learn the importance of using a varied team which they have been pushing harder with the scaling EXP in BW and SM and the Gen VI~ EXP Share.

Though with the former they should really just realize they should plateau the strength of new Pokemon and buff the old shitnons.

>>385932543
It's actually pretty good that image is probably from the start of the season, Arcanine is by far the most used pokemon now and it's used in a variety of roles from full support to choice band, overall team strategies are also very varied, people have seen success with hard Trick Room teams and weather teams and more balanced teams that also see great variation among them.

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How do we make Ice type not shit?

>just make more pokemon like Weavile that actually work with the stats of the type

Yea they probably should do that, but that doesn't make any of the bad ice types any less trash

>>385940610
>only resists fire/water/grass/electric moves
>only
You're silly

>>385941880
sshhh dude don't tell people that, we came here to shitpost about how every team is the same!

>>385941924
ice type is alright as an offensive type, trying to improve it defensively would either make it too good or make it no longer stand out in any way, defensive ice types should remain fucked.

>>385932543
Isn't that vgc?
vgc is extra cancer

>>385940610
It's okay that they only hit one type super-effectively because dragons typically come with high base power moves and high attacking stats, meaning they can hit a majority of Pokemon neutrally for big damage. Resisting most elemental types is a bigger deal than you're making it too.

>>385941924
why is ice not resistent against water?
it should be tbqh

>>385942208
Only when they decide to allow box legendaries otherwise it's the second best format followed by smogon doubles.

>>385941924
GF needs to stop trying to make defensive pokemon out of the type. Focus on speed and an attack stat.

>>385942291
pretty sure ice melts in my water glass

>>385941924
Resists water and flying.

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>>385932543
>Now

>>385932543
both Smogon and VGA have been trash since their inception.

The top teams are always extremely similar with little or no variation.

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Metas by gen:

4 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 1 >>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5

>>385943576
>2 above 5
Objectively wrong.
>3 above 6 or 7
Very wrong.

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Put the Tapus in Uber, their Abilities warp the format too much to allow them anywhere else.

>>385943692
5 had literally the worst everything. Worst meta, worst story, worst new Pokemon, worst characters, worst main game, etc

The only people who disagree are people who played it in high school. People who come to 4chan that remember Puddi/Harmony as their first memes, during the height of u mad/trollface posting. To put it simply, anyone who likes gen 5 is likely to be an extremely cancerous individual.

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>Alolan Marowak is fucking top tier

Holy shit. Marowak's my favourite pokemon, and he's been stuck in shit tier for generations. I know that Thick Club turns him into a bulldozer, but how could a mere typing change do that much?

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>>385932543
YAH YAH YEH TAPU KOKO YAH YAH YEH!

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I haven't played netbattle in ages but Gen 1 was super fun

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>>385935808
Am I the only one that finds it weird that Pokemon breeding is an actual gameplay aspect in a kids game?

>>385945506
>netbattle
>not Porygon's Big Show

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>>385932543
>now

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Glad to see my boy Garchomp is still putting niggers in their place
The first time I found a Gible back in Gen 4 I instantly knew he was gonna be my main man

>>385941924
The type itself is fine. The fact that it's by far the most common type of hidden power is evidence that it's a great offensive typing. The only problem is that there are few ice type mons. Seriously, go look at it, it's one of the least common types by far. Considering that a large number of mons are just shit overall, the ice typing is left without many relevant/good mons.

>>385945281
Nah gen2's meta was infinitely worse, you have to be an absolute fidget spinner owning autist to prefer it over anything else. I remember reading this post by Borat of comp gen2 fame describing a 300+turn match that ended in PP stall as "exciting"

>>385945301
stab Rock Head flare blitz and shadow bone my dude

>>385947060
You can play it that way or you can punch a hole in their defenses with explosion then set up while exploiting the weakness

>>385945301
Two types means he has two STABs.
Fire type + Lightning rod gives him an immunity to electricity while also resisting the common hidden powers carried by electric types to beat ground types.
Ghost type is one of the best offensive types out there, only resisted by Dark and Normal(Who is immune) and fire type is amazing to have and hit them with if you feel like forsaking Lightning Rod you can always use Rock Head to have recoil-less Flare Blitz.
He also has great coverage with Bonemerang (Which breaks subs and doesn't mind grassy terrain) to stop Ttar if it predicts well. The only full stop to it seems to be Hydreigon.

>>385932543

>All viable pokemon are now replaced by bizarre abstract shapes

welp, R.I.P. Pokemon

Serious question

Why you newfags don't all go on a nice board called /vp/?

>>385947349
The thing is if they predict your explosion and switch into Skarmory (The pokemon that is almost mandatory due to Snorlax being so centralizing) you do jack shit to them.
>set up
Like half the meta game carries Roar or forces curse+roar users due to typing (For example Suicune).

I can understand hating gen5 but saying gen2's competitive meta is better is downright stupid.

>>385947617
Because there isn't a rule forcing people to post Pokemon only on /vp/ unlike /mlp/'s case and because we're discussing video games. Now go back to your e-celeb thread.

>>385937657
I fucking love this stupid meme so much

>remove team preview
>ban zoroark
Fixed your game, thank me later

>>385932543
>Is it just me or is competitive Pokemon fucking garbage now?

That seems to be competitive gaming in a nutshell though doesn't it? You establish the meta and stick to it because it works the best mathematically? It's like moneyball, but easier to see the connections because the rules of the system are more clearly defined.

>>385947676
I've never played gen 5 and gen 2 isn't my favourite, I think it's pretty stally but that's partially because people are too scared try anything else. There's a reasonable amount of aggressive options available to the player.

>>385948338
The very aggressive options are Exploding, Belly Drum Snorlax and SD Marowak, all of which don't punish nearly as hard enough (Due to attack stat capping at 999 instead of rising up to 1000+ like in gen3+) also the lack of good damage boosting items while leftovers are just overall amazing.
Other bulkier set up options like Growth Vaporeon and Curse users are in general very easy to just safely switch into and remove.
Doesn't help that Rest Talk is also so safe.

>>385946169
Garchomp is a Pokemon that has always been on the cusp of broken. Amazing stats, wide movepool, can fill multiple roles. Only thing it can't do is wall, but who cares when it has shit like Draco Meteor, Swords Dance, and Stealth Rock.

>>385945785
Not really. You got to breed the best to be the best.

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>>385934041
For context here's 2013 and 2014.

Do you guys know of the legendary exploits of GGfan?
What's the latest episode in the saga?

>>385932543
>competitive
>expecting diversity

Unless it's a fighting game it's not going to happen.

>>385935618
Dark types are weak to Fairy moron

>>385945281
Worst new Pokemon is Alola thanks to the garbage art direction of Yusuke Ohmura who in his earlier years was in charge of the bar none worst human character designs in the series of Unova, and before it Sinnoh. Unova Pokemon design is extremely hit and miss, and ultimately ends up just mediocre, though I could understand one hating or loving it based on how much they tend to focus on the good or bad.

>>385945301
Alolan Marowak is the ultimate beast slayer. It's the perfect counter for the most viable Ultra Beasts, and fucking destroys them. Ironically enough, Guzzlord is the only beast that can stand against it but Guzzlord is garbage against anything else.

>>385949005
It can't wall per se but 108/95/85 defense are still nothing to scoff at and Rough Skin + Rocky Helmet can really annoy dudes

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>>385937187
Early Gen 4 was great, and even late gen 4 was pretty good. VGC 2014 was a great season as well.

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>>385933508
Legendary != Good

Pokemon PvP hasn't been worth bothering with in forever though. Smogon is shit and VGC is worse. RIP Gen 4 UU best meta of all time.

>>385945281
Yeah nah, eat shit.

>>385950383
Alola has great Pokemon, creative designs and biological niches that haven't been explored in the Pokemon series all over it.
The only issue is some boring crap like the "just a normal dog."
I'd say gen 6 was weaker in designs, they wasted a new type on bland, stereotypical designs and the rest of them were largely uninteresting outside of the fossils and stuff like Trevenant.

>>385950481
I keep forgetting it gets Rough Skin as a hidden ability.