Why was this game the one that broke into the mainstream? Why

setting that appealed to Western gamers

lots of minigames

gameplay was pretty mindless, materia requires no specialization or anything

the game was styled to play "like a movie"

it was pretty casual honestly

First big RPG (game, possibly?) to make use of pre-rendered backgrounds that made for amazing setpieces like never before seen in the medium and a sequel to VI which was a big success as it was already.

>>385882917
grimdark setting that appealed more to westerners

anti-coporate cybepunk themse that appealed more to westerners

groundbreaking graphics and CG commercials that sold systems

mature characters?

Sony did its damn best on advertising it.

Apart from FF6,FF7 was the confirmation of the franchise going for piss easy gameplay.Thus,neo-FF became easy games one another.

Side bosses do not count.

>>385883046
And yet you're completely downplaying the NPC interactions, music, settings, entity designs, etc. that make this game deliver.

Mainstream as in for FF?

Only because it was many people's first FF and just so,happened to be the first 3D one so people were more mind blown by it.

The cutscenes also lilely sold the game to alot of people in the marketing.

The commercials made it look like they were selling a movie.

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>>385883046
>the game was styled to play "like a movie"
Barely.

>>385883316
NPC interactions are too convoluted for most of the people who played it to get

music was made to be like a movie soundtrack as I said

settings were to appeal to westerners as I said

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>>385883217
>grimdark setting that appealed more to westerners
>anti-coporate cybepunk themse that appealed more to westerners

Lol wut

Japan was all about Cyber Punk shit in the 80s.

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>>385882917
>Why was this game the one that broke into the mainstream?

A combination of marketing, and the jump to 3D. No game will ever again be in the right place at the right time like FFVII was.

>>385882917

The first 3 hours, before you leave Midgar, were very promising and sold the masses on a game that only got worse after that excellent opening.

The story, locations, villains--the game went to pieces after Midgar.

>>385883307
Name one FF game that isn't easy.

>>385883873
Name one turn based JRPG that isn't (piss) easy.

It wasn't the game specifically, it was the ps1. FF was ultra popular before ff7

>>385884049
Exactly.

>>385884182
Wait, there's One Way Heroics but that's extremely nonstandard

>>385883476
I'm not arguing the last 2, but hey, the first one?

That's the last time I've seen anything remotely requiring intellect that was widely popular. Every game since has been dumbed down shit. The way things have been going lately, these games help dumb down the kids by not making them think, by not going over their heads and making them think and research and learn.

>>385883084
>First big RPG (game, possibly?) to make use of pre-rendered backgrounds
RPG maybe, but game: Resident Evil?

>>385885045
I disagree, the world map felt very small, the mechanics were very limited, and in fact I wasn't impressed by the music.

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I still feel FFVII it's the most complete and unique game in the series. The music, the setting were so fucking good. Also the anime like story about a terrorist group trying to save the planet from a corporation that is harming it by execively mining its resources for profit... For the time this was a pretty unique and serious premise for a video game. And then the plot thickens when that same corporation have been experimenting using an alien life form they call Jenova (Jenova Project)... But FF7 is more than just good music, setting and plot. It also had the gameplay to back it up with lots of side-quests, mini-games and the addicting materia system.

Only haters who have never even played FF7 deny the legendary status of this incredible game. I only played it like 5 years ago and it blew me the fuck away like no other FF game ever could. Fuck the hipsters always trying to put FF6 or 9 on a pedestal when neither come even close to FF7 on any aspect.

>>385883508
Yeah, in the 80s. Look at every FF game after FF7. Anime is all about optimism and escapism now

Probably because the 80s were the peak of Japan's bubble economy, and it's been in a recession ever since. Now unemployed young men and even middle aged guys consume escapist idol culture to get out of their shitty lives

The FF worlds are gorgeous, the characters are anime archetypes, the men are all fujoshi bait now and no one acts like an adult.

In FF7 the characters ACTUALLY HAD SEX. When was the last FF game where they did that?

>>385884081
FF was popular, but FF6 sold a fraction of the copies in the west that FF7 did.

>>385882917
3 big factors contributed to its success.
1: Marketing. FF7 was everywhere. In magazines, on TV(back when TV ad spots for games were extremely rare), and anywhere they could try to get the word out about the game. It was one of the biggest marketing pushes ever made in gaming, and was done both as a large-scale 3D JRPG push, as well as a CD-driven gaming push(one well known ad stated "Someone get the guys who make cartridge games a blindfold and a cigarette")
2: Timing. While we currently decry the PS3/Xbox 360 as the gen that RUINED EVERYTHING by making gaming mainstream, the truth is that it was happening on a broad scale back when the PS1 released. Ads for the platform ran on MTV and other pop culture platforms, thus curating market demand for the Playstation in a big way. The incursion of FF7 into this market at this time meant that it was not only many player's first RPG of any stripe, but the first big 3D game they had played, thus cementing its status as one of the greatest games ever by people who had never seen anything like it before.
3: The Game Itself. I could write a novel debating the ups and downs of FF7, but there's no denying that it was a powerful game with real draw. The dark story was a dramatic turn from brighter fare on the competing N64, and the graphics and sound were often impressive, especially the music, which took full advantage of the CD format to deliver fully realized music.

>>385883046

>lots of minigames

lol wtf

The minigames were the absolute worst part of the game.

>gameplay was pretty mindless

Granted I've only played the first two (GBA remake) and 7, but it seems to me like every main Final Fantasy game has pretty fucking mindless gameplay where you just grind and numbers go up to 9999.

>>385885260
>In FF7 the characters ACTUALLY HAD SEX
Huh? When? I haven't played the game for 18 or 19 years so I don't remember.

>>385884049
most of the smt games, wizardy series, early etrian odyssey series, hoshigami

>>385885458

that scene where Don Corneo rapes Cloud in drag was pretty intense

>>385884049
Modern Persona

>>385885458
Heavily implied, during the bee place as well as when you reach the final area and you have an alone moment with Tifa

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>>385885472
>Wizardry

>>385885574
I am so glad it was immortalized in doujins. God that was hot.

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>>385882917
Tifa

>>385883046
Pretty much this.

>>385882917
>Why was this game the one that broke into the mainstream?
Marketing.
3d.
New console.

>>385883476
>NPC interactions are too convoluted for most of the people who played it to get
No they're quite clear,
>give rose to Tifa
>give rose to Kid

Everything.

>>385882917
Sephiroth

>>385882917
There were enough angsty teens with PSX at the time it came out and it coincided with the start of (((media))) meddling with games. So it got free press better games like IV and VI didn't.

>>385882917
it was the first mainline FF that EU got (they only got mystic quest beforehand which is babies first jrpg tier) so its the one a lot of people know the most

>>385883409
this game is short as fuck but you die so much it seems 3 times longer

>>385886851
>IV
>Better game
>Not the dullest, worst in the series
Explain to me why you think IV is good. Tell me why.

>>385883873
FF2 and FFT

>>385885472
>most of the smt games
Lol no. Clicking on "gun" over and over is no different from clicking on "attack". "Gun" is even more broken since some of them stun foes, allowing you to attack again and again nonstop.

>>385886851
To anyone who'd want to argue this assessment:

>FF8

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It was heavily advertised.
I remember seeing this on MTV alot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUpx4QHuaw

>>385886851
Cloud is a lot more appealing than the Mary Sue moeblob from VI

>>385887078
>FFT
heh

>>385887117
What's wrong with VIII?

>>385887306
Unappealing cast.
Retarded plot.

>>385887119
>literally spoiling Aeris' death

>>385887359
The plot and the magic system was shit. But Zell, Laguna, Selphie, Fujin and Raijin were great.
Also the summons were the most graphically impressive thing on the PS1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjDW_1cdgwM

>>385882917
hahaha

fucking ADVERTISING!
if you were around for it, you REMEMBER seeing the commercials on TV constantly

Squaresoft put a shit ton of money into ads
it was also on the PS1, a system for proto normies at the time who would buy fifa/madden and shit

>>385887236
If you didn't have a guide to the game you could've possibly been forced to reset the game from the beginning if your ramza was shit and you saved during the 3 part section leading to the ramza vs weigraf fight

>>385885251
>neither come even close to FF7 on any aspect
I could name a few
>better aged graphics and better graphics in general
>both have better battle systems with characters that actually feel different in combat instead of being able to do everything because of magic spheres
>both of their music is at least on par with FF7(they're all good soundtracks 8s is also really good)

FF7 also has a terrible opening sequence that's only good on the first playthrough. The last 2 times I tried replaying it I just got bored before I could even get out of midgard.

>>385887689
Man I just can't sit through long summon animations anymore. I used to love the shit out of them too.

>>385884049
Persona 5 assumes you aren't a dipshit. I won't say it's hard but it's definitely not easy.

FFVIII is probably the least replayable of the PSX FF games.

It was released on the PSX, relatively early if I remember correctly and got a lot of attention. I had no prior experience with Final Fantasy games when I played it (too poor to own my own SNES), and it made an impression.

>>385884049
genius of sappheiros

>>385887306
That plot and those designs are cringey as fuck.

>>385885424
funny enough
FF3 had a fucking TV spot too that i remembered, but nothing like FF7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15qmRzn2Pc

>>385883046
>the game was styled to play "like a movie"

How so?

>>385888297
>those designs
>implying FF8 isn't an aesthetic 10/10

>>385888356
Never saw this one, but I did see the 7 spot on basic cable.

>>385888165
It really is. I replayed through it about two years ago and it was a total slog to get through it. It's just so god damn boring and generic. The plot sucks, the characters suck, the music sucks, the world sucks, the character models have less charm than the deformed models from VII, the combat sucks, the stat system sucks, the total lack of world treasure sucks, and while Triple Triad was good, the Queen of Cards quest also sucked.

>>385885982
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/wizardry/wizardry13.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizardry#Series_in_Japan
There are a lot of Japanese exclusive wizardy games.

>>385882917
>Why was this game the one that broke into the mainstream?
advertising
good value compared to the previous rpgs due to being on the offbrand console
>Why is this game still widely concidered the pinnacle of the series?
baby's first

>>385882917
Its the best one is why.

Honestly though it's a sequel to one of the best RPGs ever. And pretty much every game that made the leap to 3D that was a sequel to a top tier SNES game became the best entry in the series. Ocarina of Time, star Fox, FF VII, Mario 64. It was just better for games in general. I can still go back and play the classics on N64 and PS1, but fucking ps2 and 360/ps3/wii games are all shit, comparably.

>>385888541
the ff3 one also had no fucking gameplay, but it didn't matter because you KNEW it was gonna be good because Squaresoft could do no wrong

Both 6 and 9 are better.

>>385888435
they advertised it like it was a movie and the tag line was like "not coming to theaters". you'd probably know that if you were alive in 1998.

>>385887106
I dont think you've played very many smt games

>>385882917
>Why is this game still widely considered the pinnacle of the series?

It marks the last time anyone gave a shit about the characters in a Final Fantasy game.

>>385888628
Back in the day, yeah. It's why I kept buying FF even after that guarantee started to crumble with XIII.

>>385888516
>Gunblade
>Hexadecimal I MEAN Edea
>gays, gays everywhere
>the goofy GF designs
>Acid
>mopey characters straight off of the CW

8's fucking dumb.

>>385888768
>Hexadecimal
nice.

>>385888646
That didn't answer the question. You just talked about advertising.

>>385888435
do you understand what those quotes over that phrase are there for? The poster didn't think it actually played like a movie, that's just what square(soft) was going for ffs

>>385886851
IV is arguably an even worse case of nostalgia goggles than VII. The story was batshit retarded and the characters exteremely bland and generic. Pretty much the only thing it did better was the challenge level from the DS version. Besides that I would rank even Legend of Dragoon above it. Haven't played VI though.

>>385888967
it doesnt play like a movie. they just advertised it that way. i still think you're a fag though.

>>385889216
VI at least had a story line that you could follow, in IV every event was a contest to see who could pretend to die in the coolest way.

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>>385887931
then go be bored while becoming an hero you fucking nigger.
>too bored to use my brain to play a game
>better mindlessly shitpost instead

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>>385882917
>Characters? Setting?
Exactly those things.

I can't think of a single member of the cast I didn't like, or area I didn't enjoy exploring.

Also soundtrack.

FFVII is a game that had such a great story, cast, and setting that it's narratrive/art aspects completely overshadowed any shortcomings it had in the gameplay and graphics department.

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>>385889526
>Cid is supposed to be in his thirties

>>385889216
play 4 then 5 then 6 to see a real evolution of the SNES era games

in the US, we went from fucking 4 to 6 in about 3 years time and it was a MASSIVE improvement. then from 6 to 7 again was huge and from 7,8,9 and 10 were improvements too.

then 12 kinda looked real nice


and then 13 was a slow wait as fuck time from 2005 or so to 2009 and for nothing because that was just a sign that SE was a bad thing or at least for FF in general.

just look at 15 man
its more enjoyable than 13, but its not really FF material like 12 and the previous games were

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>>385889419
You seem upset

>>385889647
WoFF was honestly a better game than XV

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>>385888435
>He thinks FFVII is a game

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>>385889678
not even a little bit, im ice cold.

>>385889602
ok. i will tell you this because its true as fuck:

japan is SHIT with fucking numbers
i know this, because they can't size womens breasts in anime/games (or hell, even in real life) correctly

>>385882917
FF6 aka 3 set it up with fairly solid sales. 7 had a ton of advertising. These two more than anything imo.

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>>385889778
good I was worried for a moment

>>385889885
3 was also a solid as fuck game and no magazine gave it a bad score AND this was fucking during the era when RPG was still niche as fuck

As someone who was in the target demographic when it released, my opinion is simple. The game was just the right amount of good graphics, advertising, and the right story/aesthetic for the time.

The plot isn't great, but it's moving. It uses a shitton of tropes, but in a fairly acceptable fashion, the gameplay itself is boring but they give you enough variety and difference in context to make it sufferable without a complaint.

It needs to be set aside other games from the time period for you to understand, I suppose, and understand the other games people who picked that up played before. It was entirely new.

Time has shown us more and better games in every way, but it was a stone in the river that changed the path instead of another pebble that made up the riverbed. For better or worse.

Guy at gamestore when I was a kid told me this was complicated and boring and sold me Metal Gear Solid 1 instead.

Whatd I miss out on

FFVII is unironically the best game ever made.

The reason people still look back fondly on 7,8,10 and, to a lesser extent, 9 is because they really liked the characters and storyline they were dragged along in.

>>385882917
First finfan to make it to PAL.
Remember most of the iconic squeenix SNES RPGs didn't make it to Europe

>>385890492
The only good SNES RPGs are Dragon Quest V, Terranigma and Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu.

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>>385890392
>VIII's story
>Looked back fondly on
The bait is evolving.

It was the first 3d Final Fantasy. The jump from sprites to 3d modeled characters was huge. The Playstation had already been around for years too. It looked amazing at the time. It was also a lot of peoples first Final Fantasy. Plus it had a huge amount of summonings.

Hits the 90's extreme edge and craziness. Cloud carried a giant Sword with one hand. Barrett the angry black guy with his hand gun Tifa with her giant tits in a short mini skirt and a muscle shirt. Cussing Cid. A talking cat doll and wolf. Vincent with his hand guns and torn clothing. Yuffie a ninja that had almost no point in the game. Even Sephiroth had a long ass sword.

The weird ass mini games and storylines. All the mini games at the Golden Saucer you could play. The mouth to mouth mini game.The tower defense game you can play n the mountain. The soldier mini game you do for Rufus. Cloud dressing up like a girl and getting raped. Red XIII raping Tifa. Riding a dolphin. Red XIII dressing up like a soldier, walking on 2 legs. Cloud in a wheelchair. This game was weird.

Also, word of mouth. Game magazines gave it good reviews, but I trusted my friends more then that. If they said this game was good, then I wanted to play it. Then you would talk about the secrets. Did you beat the Weapons, get all the summonings, find the characters and how to get a golden chocobo.

It was really just at the right place at the right time. A lot of people never played a game like this at the time and remember it very fondly

>>385890671
Japs love it for some reason. They especially like Rinoa. Sad, I know.

>>385890392
Nobody looks back fondly on VIII at all. If anything, its forgotten by most, and if I had to hazard a theory, VII gets shit on for things that VIII did.

>>385882917
A lot of WRONG answers here. Oldfag here. Here are some reasons.
>Use of 3d. Probably the first 3D JRPG, this is when most jrpgs are 2d or pseudo-3d
>Cinematics, Heavy use of cinematics to push the story not mostly just cutscenes was unheard of, the intro? Goddamn excelent
>Story, Story is linear but with a lot of branches(side stories) in between. This not make it monotonous for the players. Example without any spoilers: River with that big snake, raise a chocobo first, whoring quest and more
>Story is also not too deep and not that convuluted
>Gameplay/Mechanics, simple and straightforward. This is when JRPGs are becoming more complex that not everyone can play them easily
>a lot of minigames, Jrpgs back then can be described using two phrases, story and grinding. FF7 was different.
>First heavy marketed Final Fantasy game
>There are lighthearted/comedic elements which is rare in JRPGs especially during that era.
>>385890392
Reason why FF9 was not that fondly remembered because it strayed too far from FF7 and FF8. It became almost too "disney". And check the game cover, feels like it was marketed to kids than FF fans or gamers in general.

>>385888356
That video showed why nobody cared about Final Fantasy prior to VII's advertsing.

>7's ad
>shows footage from the game, narrator grimly notes the plot and story hook about a lone soldier of fortune saving the planet from an evil company who is sucking the life force from the planet

>6's ad
>doesn't reflect game at all, just a context-less cartoon mascot zapping monsters in one hit

Actually scratch that, that ad perfectly reflects FF6

>>385890953
In my experience, and I'm:
>>385890678

I've noticed the opposite as far as misremembering. Most people blame 8 for things that either 7 or both did. Plenty of things hated about 8 are endemic to the entire series or a good majority, and I have an about even amount of people who just meme-hate the game here over the years as people who actually have good valid criticism of it.

I played 8 after 7, and liked 8 a lot better then, but with time I've kind of grown to like neither that much. I was getting older when 8 came out I was coming off of the back of playing MGS a metric shitton after its release. I was prepped for it desu by Kojima's weirdness and 7's emo protag.

Over the years the things I remember most fondly though as an adult are things like Seifer, triple triad, and breaking my fingers off to boost GFs.

I didn't like 9 very much when it came out, and the dude here nailed why:
>>385891262

100% right on. When I played FF7 I was looking up at someone agewise, when I played 8 I was looking head on, and when I was playing 9 I looked down at some alien clone retard kid.

>>385891531
Sorry my second link about who I am was wrong somehow. either I misclicked or edited it on accident. Tired.

I'm this dude:
>>385890089

The weird thing about VII is that the story's scale is surprisingly small compared to other entries in the series. In the others, usually the fabric of time and reality itself gets threatened in some way. VII, its just the planet, and primarily humans facing potential consequences.

>>385888646
I remember seeing a commercial for FF7 in theaters, alongside movie trailers

>>385890392
The characters and storyline were really 9's only redeeming qualities. The gameplay itself struggled just to reach mediocrity; you can't even make the case of "oh at least it tried something new" like with 8, 9's gameplay was not only the same basic shit as before but they somehow still fucked that up by making everything so goddamn slow and tedious. The way the screen transitioned and how the camera would pan around the battle environment before loading all the assets in fights made playing IX an absolute torture. The battle system is the worst in the series. The extremely long battle animations, which don't pause the timers for status effects like Haste or Slow, make the game's pace crawl whenever you get into a battle, not at all helped by the ridiculously high encounter rate. Basically, you could make the case of it having the best story and/or cast of the entire series, but it's way too flawed to come close to being the overall best game.

>>385891714
>The battle system is the worst in the series.
Want to know how I know you've never played II?

>>385890953
I look fondly at FF8 however more for and can't stress enough more for FF7. What FF8 did right are the cutscense and some parts of the story.

Anyone who played FF8 back then and not get nostalgic when hearing/watching this is a retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNefNLOHVYk

>>385891714
>The characters and storyline were really 9's only redeeming qualities.

Nigga you deaf?

>>385891773
I already said why. Say what you will about the gameplay of 2, 8, 12, 13 etc. being shitty but at least they tried something new and different. 9 did not do anything to change the formula or push the industry forward in any other way, it was the same gameplay as before but done much worse.

>>385891836
Oh yeah the music was pretty good, I guess that's another quality.

>>385885357
right which is attributed to the PS1's success. FF7 didn't do anything particularly different

Because it was on the Playstation, and the Playstation broke into the mainstream. Bands made songs about it. Comedians threw references to it into their bits. Dudebros who bullied Nintento playing nerds had PS1s themselves.

Also because it was the best Final Fantasy, by a small margin.

>>385891783
That song is gay as fuck and so are you

>>385882917
It's most likely the game that killed point & clicks, as it showed you can actually have gameplay with a well told story to the main public.

>>385891783
my feels

all the feels from laguna's story

burn all millennials

>>385892123
>well told story
I'd wager 50% of people don't know that you don't actually see Sephiroth until the North Crater, VII's story is the epitome of a convoluted mess and all the retcons in the spin offs only exacerbated it.

>>385892006
Anyone who thinks shit characters like Terra would have been nearly popular as Cloud is a delusional retard.

>>385892181
Laguna was the only good part about VIII.

Gilgamesh, too

>>385892237
The base game is pretty straightforward.

>>385882917
A lot of badass stuff
Contemporary setting with just the right amount of fantasy
Tifa's tits

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It's been 20 years and I'm still really bothered about Aerith's house. Where the fuck is this in relation to the rest of the slums, or the plate Midgar sits on? Why is there sunlight? Where is the water flowing from?

>>385882917
It was the biggest and most beautiful game on any console to date, by far

>>385892237
Yes, it's not exactly the best example of story, but its a game that sold a lot, became popular and well known.

>>385884049
The first Suikoden.

>>385891262
>This is when JRPGs are becoming more complex that not everyone can play them easily
Oldfag my ass, there are SNES and GB games with more complex gameplay than FFVII

>>385892237
Most people don't really go that far in video games. Just look at Steam achievements.

>>385892587
You retarded faggot. Learn to read. Go to school. Increase reading comprehension.

>>385887034

That is pretty much every game prior to PS1 gen. Why do you think renting was so popular on the SNES days ?

>>385892491

Bothered me too. My guess is there was a gap in the plate, the waters not such a big deal really. The question is, why live in some shitty slum with no sunlight, when theres a comfy meadow just a few hundred yards away? Its not like youre leaving a big nice house behind, just pick up your trash can and set it in the sun.

>>385892376
I don't really think so. Between the amnesia twist with Cloud, the Reunion Theory with Hojo, the dynamic between Jenova and Sephiroth there is a lot of confusing stuff going on that on a first play through I don't think a lot of people are going to fully understand everything.
I know I sure as hell didn't.

>>385891262
>Reason why FF9 was not that fondly remembered
Not on reddit. Full of autists who impulsively clap when they think of Vivi.

>>385892548
>auto-battle: the game
>not piss easy

>>385892692
Shinra goons probably kept the hobos away.

>>385892702
Only on my recent playthrough after reading up a bit on the lore was everything clear.

>>385892491
>>385892692
One thing we know is it was paid for by Shinra. Probably in a good area. Really need to play this game again for the ∞time.

>>385892793
Yeah if you go through a Wiki summary then most FF games will make sense but I don't think that exactly points to them being well told. They often rely on massive exposition dumps to the player like Metal Gear which is a lot for players to take in when they're going in blind.

>>385892705
Reddit = hivemind. Post something there, buy upvotes somewhere and see people circlejerk. Reddit is shit.

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>>385884049

>>385892816

Shinra is such a weird entity in the game. They want Aeris because shes an Ancient, but take YEARS to finally get around to catching her. I dont get why they waited so long to nab her.

>>385892990
Tseng had a crush on her

>>385882917
Most of the old Final Fantasy games were top notch, but I think it's because this game was released on PS1.

PS1 was the console that really started bringing in mainstream audiences to gaming, mainly because it worked as a multi-purpose device. Unfortunately this was the beginning of normie gaming.

>>385888064

>Hard mode to hard
>Normal too easy

P5 is great but that irked me. Kamoshidas Castle had some enemies that could one shot the whole team on hard. No bueno.

>>385892990
They basically had her caged up. It was only when Cloud showed up and threw a wrench in their plans that they finally decided to clamp down.

>>385886062
kinda this

If Tifa weren't in the game I wouldn't care about FF7 that much or possibly even FF itself. But at the same time its the interesting setting of FF7 which allows her character to make sense. I think FF7 is was legitimately fresh and strong game.

>>385892276
>implying Cloud isn't a shit character
You need to be 18 or older to post here.
And I say this as an FFIV fanboy who thinks VI was overrated as hell.

>>385892278
I like Seifer too. He got hosed but it's good because if he was frontline more he'd have gotten ruined. Laguna's story was genuinely heartaching

>>385893083
P5 becomes really easy, even on Hard, after Madarame because the game isn't balanced around player's having Confidant bonuses (understandably) but those blow the doors off of any difficulty.

>>385891262
>feels like it was marketed to kids than FF fans
>literally designed as a throwback to actual ff after 7 and 8 strayed too far into anime shit
>not marketed to ff fans

the playstation was a mistake

>>385892491
Some niche in the slums. The reason it's so beautiful is from Aeris's influence. She treats even dog turds such reverence that they sprout flowers.

>>385892692
Aeris is special, everyone else is too preoccupied with the doldrums of city life to even notice. If they weren't, Midgar wouldn't exist in the first place. It's the "modern life is addictive and bourgeois" trope (which I don't disagree with).

FF7 was my first RPG, before then i thought RPGs were boring weebshit, but afterwards i realized that its boring weebshit

>>385885073
It's a fair assumption. Because Resident Evil 1 sold REALLY well back when it released. People hadn't seen anything like Pre-rendered backgrounds before. I think there is a good reason why almost every really solid release used them back then. Well at least on PS1, because it sucked shit at 3D graphics if there was a lot going on at once.

>>385893158
Cloud is unironically the greatest video game character of all time.

Terra is some moeblob Mary Sue with Mary Sue powers.

>>385893068

>CD player
>Good marketing
>Games were cheaper thanks to CDs

While the N64 was still using carts and was much more expensive, and the Saturn was shit out seemingly overnight with 0 prior notice. Playstations only flaw was the shitty build quality of the early units.

>>385885424
>especially the music, which took full advantage of the CD format to deliver fully realized music
Except it used the Playstation's onboard synthesizer rather than Redbook audio. With the exception of One Winged Angel.

>>385893182
>>literally designed as a throwback to actual ff after 7 and 8 strayed too far into anime shit
This is so wrong. Throwback yes but have you played <FF7 FF games? They are not that disney unlike FF9
>anime shit
Wut?

>>385893093

Makes sense. They had basically everyone caged up in Midgar to think of it.

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>>385893231
>Cloud is unironically the greatest video game character of all time.
Objectively wrong.

>>385883618
Well, even today because of hype awareness in the media and userbase it would be almost impossible to do what FF7 did. Some subset of potential players would tear a new game apart for doing cutscense. Some would love it. And then there's meme culture. So I don't even know how you can possibly make a whole genre like that again.

>>385882917
because it was the first one whose story wasn't just "hurr bad guy's stealing the crystals lets get him"

>>385893380
Despite how old I was when 10 came out, I had mighty love for Jecht and Auron. That said the rest of the game was mostly dogshit. I didn't like most of the characters or their struggles, the combat, the special moves, etc.

>>385893331
>They are not that disney unlike FF9

What's "Disney" about IX?

>>385893231
>Cloud is unironically the greatest video game character of all time.
>a literal shit version of Fei Fong Wong

lol

>>385892884
>I don't think that exactly points to them being well told.
I think the Japanese of this decade just really liked obscure storytelling. I think it's fun and lends some intrigue. Games like Chrono Cross required me to play them multiple times in a row and take notes just to understand what the fuck was happening.

Because it was one of the first "cinematic experiences". Style over substance. Games that non-gamers can play. Sony continued the tradition with stuff like Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, God of War, etc. Walking simulators are the logical conclusion of this philosophy.

>>385893470
No endless melodrama. The princess sings like a disney princess. Zidane is too positive. He needs to be brooding, like Squall.

>>385893470
>want me to explain the obvious
How about no.

>>385890953
8 was shit because Seifer never joined the party and there were no ninjas or demons on the party. FACT.

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>>385893331
>They are not that disney unlike FF9

i don't know what you mean specifically by "disney" but the characters were designed to look like 3d-ified sprites, kinda like the art they put in the instruction book for the FF6 PS port is hires translations of the sprites

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>>385893563
>No demons
Do semen demons not count?

>>385893548

>Implying the positivity isnt why i like FF9.

Cant i just smile for a change?

>>385889216
IV was great because it didn't have angstards like Cloud/Squall/Terra/Lightning or obnoxious Disney princes like Tidus and all your efforts paid off in saving your loved ones and the world rather than being slapped in the face with a big gotterdamerung "but at what cost" anti-resolution.
Video games are at their best when you feel rewarded for all your hard work.

>>385893204
I get the thematic reasoning for how it looks, it's just spatially confusing.

Also, cool detail, the platforms are giant tree trunks. Even if the designers weren't concerned with how much sense this location makes, they did keep in mind what Midgar was: an industrial mess plopped on top of a blatant disregard for the planet.

>>385893698
No. FF9 needed attitude like the WWF had.

>>385893470
Different anon, but I get what he's saying. The deformed, bulbous art style of everyone and everything, the whimsical medieval backdrop (less gothic than previous medieval FF settings), and the talking animals feel a lot like Disney (not the Mickey-verse, but their other films).

>>385893643
Best girl after Edea.

>>385893548
IX is way more melodramatic than VIII.

Everyone other than Squall was a hyperactive retard.

>>385893721
Cecil and Kain were like the original angstlords what are you talking about

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>>385889873
>i know this, because they can't size womens breasts in anime/games (or hell, even in real life) correctly
I'm afraid you're the one who's incorrect, Amerilard.

>>385893721
Cecil was angsty as fuck though, at least in the DS version.

>>385890289
A 7/10 interactive book interspersed with average combat and cutscenes.

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>>385893698
I always tear up at the end of IX personally.

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>>385889773
>it's an ACfag post

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>>385889602
>graying, wrinkly, grizzled old veteran
>35 years old

in jrpgs, if you're over about 21 you have one foot in the grave

>>385893641
FFIX is a style inspired by that (and looks terrible, imo). FFVII is more like a direct translation of 2D FF sprites.

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>>385893917
>It's another non argument

>>385893917
Samus is a shittier and uglier version of Sarah Bryant.

>>385893897

I tear up at 1/4 of the soundtrack. FF9 is one of my fondest memories. Not just the game, but the friends I had at the time.

>>385892728
I wasn't talking about the sequels.

>>385882917
Marketing

Any time a game is popular among normies it's because of well done marketing

>>385884049
Final Fantasy V -- if you read a guide and grind for days, it's easy. If you try to innovate the job system and only grind when you need money, it's hard.

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>>385894057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKGnfiwR2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6wPtSRvHak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVAi9b53sA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmofLcb6u0

>>385894057
Oh anon...

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>>385893982
>FFVII is more like a direct translation of 2D FF sprites

yeah, and if you had better textures and polygon count(like ff9) they'd basically look like FF9 characters

congrats, you cracked the code

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>>385893231
>Cloud is unironically the greatest video game character of all time.
Cloud is unironically Linkin Park in video game character form.
Now please don't post again until you turn 18, thanks.

>>385889647
12 was very different from the usual FF material since it focused more on worldbuilding than story and characters.

>>385894252
>It's another 'anon conflates Advent Children Cloud with game Cloud' episode

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>>385893439
>because it was the first one whose story wasn't just "hurr bad guy's stealing the crystals lets get him"
Uhh...

>>385893216
Really sends home how world-shattering MGS1 was. PS1 changed everything about gaming multiple times in a single gen.

>>385894340
>tfw "Cloud is emo" memes irrevocably ruined VII's reputation

>>385894252
Cloud is Tyler Durden in video game character form.

Also videogames set the bar very low. Compared to garbage like Samus, Cloud is a Beethoven's 5th Symphony.

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>>385894574
>TFW the extended universe retroactively killed the base game

>>385894346
Technically it is about that, but it's obvious that Sakaguchi was trying to get away from this template and hid it deep, deep down so as not to piss of traditionalists.

FFVI was my first FF, so I didn't know that, and when I played FFIV later, I thought the crystal stuff was a cool blend of magic and tech.

>>385894574
He is emo, but I don't completely get why it matters so much. So many people here are at least as grumpy as Cloud. Square knew its audience.

>>385893439
2 didn't even have crystals

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>>385894809
>Cloud is em-

>>385893231
>Cloud is unironically the greatest video game character of all time.
Wtf? I wouldn't said he's devoid of personality but come on, he's pretty nothing. JC Denton, Gene, Kyle Katarn, Charles Barkley, Lammy, and Frank West all have Cloud beat. I seriously believe you're thinking only with nostalgia.

>>385894872
I think 6's story is a dumbed down version of 2's, which in turn is a dumbed down version of Star Wars.

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>>385894340
Nigger I and everyone I knew online were shitting on Cloud for being digital Johnathan Davis before Square even made their disastrous first attempt at a movie that forced them into the Enix merger, let alone Advent Children.

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>>385894218
Reminds me of SaGa in a way as well.

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>>385882917

I don't know, I liked FF8 better.

>>385894921
Cloud has an actual character arc unlike half of those faggots.

>>385883046
that and it did have decent story and good character development for some party members.
also it had tifa and shit

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>>385882917
because of this scene... incredibly progressive for its time.

>>385893723
>I get the thematic reasoning for how it looks, it's just spatially confusing.
Yeah
>Also, cool detail, the platforms are giant tree trunks.
Really? That would be awesome, but they look like rocky outcroppings to me. Despite the edge pattern looking a lot like bark, there are no tree rings or bark texture.

>>385894958
what because they all have empires? that's just about the only similarity between 6 and 2

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>>385895068
I would really rather forgo a character arc if it's going to be retarded anime-tier dreck.

>>385894809
He's not. The worst he gets is when he suffers a literal mental breakdown after extensive mako poisoning. And the whole piecing his psyche back together was meant to be an act of catharsis so he could get back to his normal self.

>>385883793
I would argue that midgar was the tutorial and after that the game really oppened up in terms of combat and everything actually got better visiting different places with different culture was and is amazing.

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>>385894218
Right, but you don't see the forest for the trees -- FFVII characters are simple, like the older games. FFIX characters have a lot more detail, so it looks awful (like your creepy pic of Cloud)

>>385895413
Vivi is the only good looking one because he doesn't have a face

>>385895408
Midgar is great, but I like the rest of the game more. Green fields, brown mountains, blue seas, cool vehicles, secrets, towns, adventures.

>>385894921
Everyone you just named is shit literal shit compare to cloud thats not nostaligia or an "opinion" its a fact. Obviously only talking baout the original ff7 game (you know the thing that matters) Frank west!?! get the fuck out of here with the literal average dude that you meet in the street for fucks sake. You could have at least picked gerald , or the nameless one, or kain but noo you name generic modern trash jesus christ dude

>>385895413
>FFIX characters have a lot more detail, so it looks awful (like your creepy pic of Cloud)

but... that's what i said? you just added that you think it's awful

>>385895664
Yup it's that easy to surpass the writing of Cloud Strife. Even Barret and Cid are more interesting characters than Cloud.

>>385894809
play the original game again eh gets emo for a grand of 2~3 hours after shit gets down and than tada he picks himself up. Dont confuse modern animu rejects cloud/se rewiting the character to appeal to losers with the original cloud.

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>>385893231
*blocks your path*

Is HD crossdressing Cloud in the remake going to induce some boners? Will you save (her) as your wallpaper?

>>385895775
You seemed to think that FFIX was true to the older games, which is what I was arguing against. FFVII is true to them, however.

>>385895810
Yeah, I guess he's not "don't care" emo for the whole game, but he is pretty stoic for an FF character to that point.

>>385895874
Even a bigger Mary Sue. Xenogears is the most pretentious pile of shit ever made.

>>385882917
I don't think normies played that game even today. It's not because it has sold well that this is mainstream I guess. ( i don't like to use the word normies but I don't find better accurate term)

FF became mainstream when they tried to pull non real gamers into gaming and it that way I guess FF8 or 10 are the one made in that way. Making adult size characters to make the game serious or for the adult.
IMO it's probably FF10 that corresponds the most.

>>385894921
>>385895068
Cloud has more character arcs than the entire cast of FFXIII.

Their character arcs consist of "have a one-note personality -> fight an eidolon for 5 minutes -> become a slightly blander caricature"

>>385895874
>Xenogears
mein neger

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>>385896063
>Xenogears is the most pretentious pile of shit ever made.
*blocks your path*

>>385895108
Final Fantasy actually had prostitutes and adult characters having sex like normal human beings. Future FF games became weird sexless worlds of alien people because otaku and fujoshi need all their characters to be pure

>>385896063
Xenogears is the most epic mecha story ever told.

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>>385896063
>mary sue
all the laws of the character are established at the beginning, there are no ass pulls and everything is explained thoroughly

>calling xenogears pretentious
one of the biggest red flags outing you as someone who didn't play/understand the game

>>385896075
Shit, if quantity is the only thing that matters, Goku or whoever must be the Best Character In Fiction. Fuck Ahab.

>>385896061
He's only aloof like that for the first mission. When he meets Aeris he perks up, then once Sephiroth enters the picture he goes into full on save the world mode.

>>385896063
>FFtard is conditioned so much by shit dialogue and poor worldbuilding that anything more is considered "pretentious"

>>385896182
oh come on

>>385896269
Goku is the same character forever.

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>>385896212
Nah.

>>385896190
Sad to think how a certain group is slowly wiping out any perverted stuff that isn't gay-positive

>>385896319
>>385896215
like pottery

>>385896215
>there are no ass pulls
Except that Fei is literally Abel.

>>385896415
wrong

>>385896470
or right?

>>385896063
>fucks up royally IMMEDIATELY
>mary sue
You're obviously biased. Who was the genius Japanese writer-director that hurt you?

>>385896397
this isn't a mecha story dummy

XC is also dumbed down compared to gears/saga

>>385896498
wrong, he holds his memories as well as being his predecessor

>>385896523
Mamoru Oshii and his endless pontificating.

>>385896071
Jocks in my school played FF7 -- it was a thing

>>385896063
>>385896523
>kills love interest in the first hour
>despised by every living person he knows

people seriously need to learn what a mary sue is

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>>385896563
>XC is also dumbed down compared to gears/saga

>>385896362
And Cloud goes from going "hmm" to a slightly more confident "hmm."
If the player is not taking part in this character arc then it's a failure of storytelling. Nothing that happens to Cloud matters. It's just fluff. If most of what you play are RPGs (re: if most of what you do is play video games) then you probably will not understand what I mean

>>385896182
You're right. I dropped as soon as you recruit the second guy in your party. The dialogue to recruit him was already pretentious trash.

>>385896397
Actually, it's a rather watered-down remake of Xenogears in a lot of ways

>>385896661
it's true, go ahead and try to argue otherwise. Worldbuilding/lore was very shallow compared to gears/saga and psychology/philosophy was almost non existent. Even XCX which didn't focus on story like the other games had these concepts

>>385896661
>didn't play Xenogears

>>385896783
Xenoblade > (power gap) > a pile of feces > (power gap) > Xenogears > (power gap) > Xenosaga

>>385885458
If you're nice to Tifa during the game there's a scene before the final assault on the Northern Crater where they're alone together. Tifa makes the first move by suggesting to Cloud that they don't have to comfort each other with just words. The next day they find out everyone else in the party had returned early and could see what they were doing. Their embarrassed reaction changes depending on if they did it or not.

There's also an interview with one of the devs confirming that's what happened.

>>385896880
Someday you'll grow up and stop shitting on games you never played.

>>385896215
I played and enjoyed Xenogears but it was pretty pretentious.

>>385896875
guy thinks xenoblade is a mecha epic, of course he didn't

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>>385897024
>but it was pretty pretentious.

Has anyone seen those Aeris fangirls online? They have forums where they track down anyone who claims Cloud and Tifa are a couple and call for back up. Shit's pretty insane. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this in any other fanbase. Either they really love Aeris or they really hate Tifa.

>>385897129
They're all probably flat.

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>>385896946
>ywn have virgin big-tits tifa modestly proposition you to fuck

>>385897129
FF7 had some rather crazy fandom crap happen
FF7 House comes to mind lel

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8gdwvp/the-tale-of-the-final-fantasy-vii-house-is-a-window-into-the-dark-side-of-cosplay-529

http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/index2.html

>>385897117
>Redditor resorts to Reddit memes when arguing over Reddit games
Like pottery.

>>385882917
The 3D graphics were easier for children of the 90's to enjoy and the 'babby's first political story' made some of the older kids of that time feel smart. I'm not hating on it. I love it, but in my opinion that's why this was way more popular than all of the previous games.

>>385897024
I have no idea why you think that, other than it being an homage-fest and dipping a bit into 90s-era conspiracy stories. While these things are self-dating, they aren't pretentious.

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>>385897316
>"If I use the word reddit that will discredit my shitposting"

>>385888547
>music sucked

Nice try faggot. Here's your (you)

>>385897314
Are the Japanese/East Asians naturally autistic? Is this why their culture is usually the obsession of nerds in the West?

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>>385897215
>Tifa
>virgin

First she was the town bicycle. Then she started dressing like a hooker. Then she slept in the same bed as Biggs, Wedge and Barret. Then she whored her way into Don Corneo's mansion. Then cucked Cloud with Johnny. Then she took the initiative to fuck Cloud ("words aren't the only way").

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>>385897580
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOU

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>>385882917
What is the final fantasy vii of the 2010's?

>>385897714
Persona 5

>>385897714
nothing has made a cultural impact like FF7. Closest is maybe Xenoblade

>>385882917
"Muh first three-dee game" + nostalgia goggles + enough edgyness that the kiddies couldn't see how dull the characters actually are.

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>>385897794
>Game sold less than a million on best selling console its generation
>Cultural impact

>>385895874
That guy was the biggest fucking wussbag ever, he makes Cloud look like a bastion of testosterone by comparison.

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>>385897794
>cultural impact like FF7.
>Closest is maybe Xenoblade

What the shit?

>>385897714
If the criteria is "What made the Western mainstream love Japanese-made RPGs" I need to say Souls series (technically started in 2009 whatever).

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>>385897714
>>385897794

What about Dakku Sors?

>>385897714
I don't think any one game can do it. Not because FFVII was that good, but because the industry/market is just too different.

>>385882917
It had marketing campaign on par with Modern Warfare, stupid.

Ads on coca-cola bottles

For me, I had never seen anything like the materia and the limit break system before. Along with the atb and all the minigames it felt like such a futuristic RPG.

>>385897919
game was heavily limited by retards at NoA, even despite that the 3DS remake and subsequent WiiU downloads upped the number. Also I'm pretty sure it sold a million at this point

>>385897992
>original is considered by the majority to be the best jRPG of its generation
>shulk in smash bros
>Xenoblade X put Monolith in the limelight with world design, making them have have a big hand in BotW
>Xenoblade 2 is the switch's premier jRPG

Persona 5 is the only contender

>>385898056
Don't consider that a jRPG but if you do then yeah it's definitely DaS

>>385896743
>>385896182

"Hurr durr anything that makes me think is pretentious!"

Nothing can change the nature of these manlets.

>>385882917
one part luck, one part meaningless customization.
FFVll looked and played phenomenally compared to its competition at the time. It used 3D well, but also understood its limits, and used 2D to supplement as needed. Its soundtrack made use of what was possible at the time, it had a story that was just enough more coherent than the average JRPG at the time, similarly had a (relatively for the time) good localization.

Second, the customization. You have 4 party members (Plus Cloud) and dozens of materia at your disposal after you leave Midgar. You can assemble this toolkit into whatever build, theme, arrangement, or whatever you want, and I don't think there is a single one that won't work. Combine this with the "HUGE OPEN WORLD" (That was functionally very linear, but doesn't look it), and just enough hidden, explorationy-type stuff to reward going off in a direction, players felt a lot of control anf freedom, even if they really didn't. That illusion of freedom the game gave was important. Gamers have (mostly) wised up since then, both of these factor would not work in a game today.

Some of this shit wasn't even good, but it was better than anything most people had seen done in a game before

>>385898320
you're in an FF thread did you expect anything other than mostly simpletons

>FF7 is on PS4
>FF4 (PSP), FF8 and FF9 are not on PS4

How do they get away with this

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>>385898345
>You have 4 party members (Plus Cloud) a

Blows my mind how you can write soo much about stuff you dont even remember right let alone played recently...

>>385894682
Weren't FF fans pissed about the changes from FF5 to FF6?

>>385898504
People want FF8? News to me.

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>>385887119
>Will never come to a theater near you

>>385894218
That's the basic version, look at the version used for battles bud

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>>385882917

>Why was this game the one that broke into the mainstream?

I was in 7th grade when it came out, basically the games target audience and I bought a PS1 to play it.

At the time it was graphically impressive and it was the game that showed off what the new fangled PS1 could do. It also had pretty cool character and environmental design, a stylish villain and an iconic surprise death. Add all that together and it became the water cooler game that we were all talking about in middleschool. If you had a PS1 FF7 was the game you rubbed in the face of kids who didn't have one.

There are better games in the series; but that one was a cultural phenomenon when it came out so a lot of people are nostalgic for it.

>>385897493
It did. Aside from Triple Triad FF8 did not feature one single memorable soundtrack. It was without a doubt not one of Uematsu's finer works.

>>385888435
The music was composed in a style like that of a movie's, where its purpose is to emphasize and subtly suggest emotion and such.
I don't into music, but I know a musicfag who knows this kind of shit, I guess.
There might be other stuff, but I know that much.

>>385898006
dis thesu

>>385898713
I despise FF8 but you're a retard. The soundtrack was the shinning gem surrounded by the shit that was the rest of the game. 8 is easily top 3 in terms of OST, definitely shits on 7's OST. 9 is arguable as it's also top 3

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>>385898713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eU0tRBHnE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdGoENQNQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMYisFOaz1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB30RVWeuP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jho-peCAKs

>>385898813
sorry patrick, you forgot something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6BtJaBQmo

>>385898701
>tfw I got hype close to release because of muh 3d
>tfw got to play the game and ended up missing FFVI a lot

I remember having to pretend it was the hottest shit because everyone else was thinking that so that I wouldn't waste time discussing my autistic tile-based movement reasons for why I didn't like it.

>>385898713
Esthar's theme was fucking great.

>>385898592
I just want (most) of the main FF series on PS4, regardless of how fans feel about each game

>>385898320
Pseudo-philosophical nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do the main storyline does not belong in a videogame.

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>>385893231

>>385894574
>>385894657
Fucking this.
Base FFVll was good. What it has become is utter shit.

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>>385892237
>and all the retcons in the spin offs only exacerbated it.
That's the beauty of it, though; the retcons in the spin-offs ONLY effected Zack and Aerith's relationship (and Aerith's ability as a Cetra, being able to sense his death before he, y'know, DIED, and some of the drama behind Sephiroth's birth.

The story proper is entirely intact. Advent Children changed nothing, Dirge changed nothing, and Before Crisis actually added a nice few bits (a few bad bits too, but whatever.)

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>>385898701
>>385898962

It was the first FF I'd played and for that matter the first RPG, I'd played, so I got pretty sucked in by it.

I think it was that way for a lot of people. RPG's weren't that popular in the west up until FF7 at least with console kiddies like I was back in 7th grade.

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fucking plebs
the best character is Zell, now get the fuck out

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>>385899405
Everybody knows Don Corneo is the best Final Fantasy character.

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>>385895413
>Zidane's creepy old-man jowels
>Eiko's fucked arms
>Jesus-christ what am I even looking at on the far left
>Steiner is fine tho

>>385899460
not gonna lie, he's pretty cool too

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>>385899308
>The story proper is entirely intact.
*blocks your path*

>>385898056
>>385898006

Does Souls really count though? Most people forget that it's a Japanese game and quite honestly it feels nothing like traditional weeb shit Jrpgs.

I'd have to give my vote to Persona 5. Like that faggot did.
>>385897756
I legitmately don't understand why Purseowner 5 is getting so much hype from fucking normies. I see a lot of people who look like they don't play vidya gaems actually speaking about P5 in a positive tone. They always go on about the "deep" story too like that angsty ass plot about a Gym teacher fucking his underaged volleyball team when it all just looks like cheap shock factor to me. OOOh mang that's deep.

>>385898813
Man with a Machine Gun is the only soundtrack that isn't snooze-inducing. Balamb and FH are comfy but generic and boring.

>>385899980
>Most people forget that it's a Japanese game and quite honestly it feels nothing like traditional weeb shit Jrpgs.

So? It still qualifies.

>I legitmately don't understand why Purseowner 5 is getting so much hype from fucking normies

I wonder what voodoo magic Atlus conjured up. Not even 3 and 4 got this much attention.

>>385899526
That guy was literally Original: the Character, like he was straight from some kid's shitty FF7 fanfic.

>>385898813
All of those except the last one were extremely forgettable.

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>>385900135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmJosFyG6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDT_Y6Jj5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVkcmx2l3WA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvV7IUNra3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwEpsHoe2hg

>>385883793
>The first 3 hours,

More than that, especially if it was for first JRPG back in the day. Even the speed run for FF7 spends over an hour in Midgar alone.