You don't even know why you hate this game.

>>385881483
I hate it because it's too good. No one gives time to other fighters.

>>385881483
Because fat man babies on the internet told me to.

I hate it because it doesn't have E.Honda

Input lag

That's about it

>>385881483
I don't hate it.

I hate it because I'm supposed to move on and like it, but I just want to play 4.

>entire game is based around sucking every last cent out of the player, and forcing grinding out the ass to unlock a single outfit, while simultaneously being tailored purely to the tournyfag crowd

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I hate it because the skill ceiling is so low that joe schmo playing the game for one month can be on the same level as a seasoned veteran. With SF4 I was always learning new tech or character specific setups and whatnot. SFV's system is so restricted, and with the 3 frame buffer, you can play a character at a competitive level just by fucking around in training mode for about 10 minutes.

The game, to its detriment, catered to the casuals, but contradictorally tried to sell the game as a competitive Esport.

Another gripe I have is what they've done with the Season 2 characters. I'm totally convinced that they purposely went out of their way to make all of the S2 characters have really ugly default skins, so that people will feel inclined to drop 5 dollars on the premium skin, that more often than not looks inherently better than the default. (Akuma, Ed, Kolin, and Abigail so far).

>>385881686
You mean they still haven't fixed it? Crikey mate.

>>385881686
You ain't good enough to be even hindered by input lag

>>385882804
You'd have to be either a baby or an actually retarded person to not be good at SFV.

Sure I do. 3d/ugly art style, dumbed down mechanics and skill level, input lag, no arcade mode, poor online, microtransactions in a full priced game and let's not forget the time it literally tried to install a fucking rootkit on my PC.

>>385881483
internet told me it's bad, it can't be wrong

I don't hate it but man do i have some issues with it but ed is so fucking fun so it evens out.

Any ed tips? Is he in a good spot? He's the ONLY dlc character I like to play rest are pure ass (kolin is okay design wise).

it's not fun

>>385881483
>shitty roster
>shitty 3D models
>almost no content on release
>bad netcode
>input lag
>10 bucks for a stage
I wish we could get a Street Fighter with the same cell shading from Guilty Gear Xrd.

>>385881483
I hate the game because I don't want to play to try some characters and also because the gameplay is boring

>>385882526
Everything you've said is completely false.

>>385883506
>>shitty 3D models
this is untrue for the majority of the roster

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>>385881483

There's a noticeable gameplay ceiling that prevents crazy shenanigans from happening. Good for balance, but bad for excitement.

it's basically the Overwatch of fightan

It could be fixed with some risky mechanics i.e. an optional V-ism system for custom combos

>>385881483
Because it was a $60 Early Access game.

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So what's wrong with the gameplay?

it seems like character moveset design/balance is good, but the base game system itself is kinda shitty and limits playstyle expression?

Boring game with boring combos that lack variety and execution skill

Rushdown is encouraged and stuns occur every round after 1 wrong guess, Entertaining rounds are very scarce because of this

I'm not going to start mentioning shitty business decisions and practices because we already know it's capcom

I haven't watched it in months (except for evo, of course); matches play all the same and nothing good happens, sometimes not even in top 8. Watching pools in other games might still be exciting because of the shit that can happen, but in SFV? it's even worse

>>385884665
>limits playstyle expression
buzzword

>>385884167
Game looks like shit, Tatsunoko vs Capcom had good models but SF4 and 5 not.

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>>385884787
stunning

>>385884893
Still better than the abominations from SF5.

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>>385884559

>choice between super combo and custom combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODEuDejhsiw

IT'S THE MATCH OF THE MILLENIUM 2001

>>385885057
shut up you bandwagoning cretin

90% of the SF cast looks better in V than they've ever looked in 3D

>>385885248
Please could you take Ono's tiny dick from your mouth? I can't understand what are you trying to say.

>>385885367
le everything in sfv is bad because the internet told me to think so!!

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>>385885248

SFV's problem definitely isn't it's visuals.

Brainlets just can't accurately diagnose it's problem, so they just default to the "It looks like shit" non-argument.

>>385884559
Is more accurate as to why it's struggling. It's a bit too tournament centric and sluggish right now. It doesn't let more technical players skill shine through.

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>>385885367
the art direction in V is not to your liking and that's fine, but please don't resort to crying when some of us say we like it.

>>385884665
Low skill ceiling and easier execution and combos. Remember things like the Sako combo? You don't see execution specialists like that because it's easier to do. It's not special when everyone can do it. A lack of diverse playstyles on the roster also hurts. There's not a lot of variety compared to a lot of other fighting games. Personally I also think it lacks defensive options. The last few points lead to one playstyle. You play momentum based offense and that's almost all you can play. And if everyone is forced to play the same, of course it's going to seem like there's a lack of "playstyle expression" if that's what you want to call it.

What Daigo said >>385879809

I don't even play the game. I bandwagoned on the hate. Tokido vs Punk changed my mind. Grand Final had me so hyped because of the masterful plays by Tokido.

>>385885674
>I don't even play the game. I bandwagoned on the hate.
kappadrones in a nutshell

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>>385881483
Good lord the paid Capcom marketing is strong in this thread. You wanna know why people on /v/ are disliking the game you're paid to get (you)'s to defend? Because you come here and shitposting to defend it, and think we don't see through your shit. If I could find what marketing firm you go through I'd find a way to take it down.

>>385885797
you're actually a basket case

>>385884051
Literally every top player agrees with what that guy just fucking said.

>>385881483
Because its a shit game, with shit gameplay, retarded comeback mechanics, massive input delay, awful fucking netcode and allround boring and not fun to play.

>>385881483
I hate SF5 because there seems to be a barely noticeable delay in inputs online. I can pull off Karin's 13-hit combo very consistently in training but online it seems like each button press has a 50/50 chance of going through. Meanwhile, Capcom's competitors have near flawless netcode (I played quite a bit of Persona 4 Arena, Soul Calibur 5, and Tekken Tag 2 on PS3) but these chucklefucks couldn't even bother to update Marvel 3's netcode for the re-release. If the biggest company with the most money and the highest recognition among fighting games does it worse than the competition, then I'm not going to fucking bother anymore.

That, and I had faggots rage quitting on me which really soured my mood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHOMaYtII0A&list=PLSJl_eUalmnmQiiLEgMaMcVkUIuWD_g5R&index=1

>>385882526
>With SF4
Every argument is invalid as soon as you try to put IV as an example of a good fighting game, try again next time.

What I don't like is how much of the element of risk or commitment seems to be weighted to the start up rather than on block.

So many moves in this game that reward combo on hit, but on block it's either -1 or -2 or the reach and pushback generated makes the -4+ a non-issue.

It's boring and it isn't better than project m, literally nigger-tier, habe you not seen its fanbase? Im not going to waste my time on a shitty fighting game when there are better ones out there that don't bore me to death. Please stop shitposting

>>385881483
i hate it because i can do the daigo parry with a merengue beat

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You don't know why you hate these games either, aside from them not having Street Fighter or Marvel in the title.

>>385881483
crappy launch ruined it for me. Played Alex for a bit, then I started playing guilty gear and older fighting games again and just kinda forgot about it. I just tried Abigail's trials and messed around in training mode, he's pretty fun

>>385881483
Because the art style is
PURE
SHIT

All women look like men, and that's not something I'm into. I'll stick to SF4.

>>385881483
why are the patches 8GB

>>385887474
>All women look like men, and that's not something I'm into.
>I'll stick to SF4.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>385881483
Frequent async rollback means that I can get rewarded for bad decisions and reinforce bad habits.

Likewise, you can never know that you earned a victory. And when it's shitty for you and you don't want to play with someone again, it could seem great on their end - and so you look like you're bitching out after getting beat.

It's an awful experience.

>>385887474
the women are manlier in SFIV you fucking freak

>>385887474
Sticks to only sf worse than 5

>>385887506
>>385887549
Compare Juri from both games. I'll wait.

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>>385881483
don't blame me because you're a scrub that doesn't even get why a counter hit on a back dash is pure retardation. Or why a game designed with every character geared toward rush down with no defensive options turns into a guessing game.

But I know why you Cap cucks are going ape shit on the shilling. It's because even Daigo now says the game's trash. lul

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>>385887630
compare chun-li

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>>385881483
VROOM VROOM

>>385887663
>Daigo "I'll just pick Yun/E.Ryu because IV is literal cancer" Humehara
Hmmm, really makes the good ol' noggin' go BOOM!

capcom

It doesn't have nearly enough SFM videos.

>>385887973
From all of the Final Fight characters they had to choose Abigail. Even Carlos would been a better option.

>>385888143
>SFM faggot
get out

>>385881483

* Ono is a troll who looks like Blanka.
* Too much steroids and hideous fat.
* Censored crotch and booty slaps for ESPN oral sex money.
* The Arab is comic relief.
* Digging up that Nash (from the cemetery).
* Middle finger to Casuals.
* Low. Tier. God.
* Shit ain't King Of Fighters XIV.

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>>385881483
i hate it because no sakura and ibuki is missing neutral air kunai and spin kicks

>>385888212
No. Those Chun Li and Cammy mdoels going to waste is a crime.

>>385881483
I hate this game because the won't put necro or hakan in

please give me my mains back capcom ;(

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Why do fightfags let modern capcom get away with so much shit?

>>385888446
FGC works through peer pressure. I remember how much shit SF4 and MVC3 got when they released, now everyone loves them.

>>385888446
Because fightfags wanted SF5 to be an e-sports game and that's what Capcom gave them.

>>385888446
because literally no one else in japan is making normal fucking fighting games, it's all fucking anime fighters where you take turns juggling each other in the air
I guess Tekken isn't really anime, but it's still juggling bullshit

>>385886137
No

>>385881483
I hate it because the netcode is so fundamentally flawed that the person with the better connection has the worse experience.

all of you pissbabies better buy arika fighting EX layer day one or else you're fucking full of shit

>>385888667
Under Night In-Birth exists. So does Fightcade.

>>385881483
I don't hate it, I'm just bored of it

>>385883437
>ONLY dlc character I like to play rest are pure ass
Juri is good now after her buffs

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>>385888034
Honestly if you know anything about Daigo's history in other games then him playing Yun and Evil Ryu is pretty logical for him. He played fucking Bishamon and Jedah for fuck's sake.

>>385888815
Latest isn't out in America yet, but I am planning on getting it.
Fightcade isn't new fighting games.

>>385889002
Fair enough, but it is an option for people that just want ti have fun in casuals...which is 99% of people, I don't know why so many pretend otherwise. Also King of Fighters exists.

>>385889314
Most fighting game players on play on consoles.
KoF just rubs me the wrong way.

>>385881483
>alex fan
>finally get him as a playable character even if he's shit
>still haven't bought SFV

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>>385881483
I waited until season 2 before actually buying it hoping it would be worth it.

>New Juri is garbage
>New Akuma is meh
>That shitty lion's mane
>Can barely unlock colors after spending fight money on characters
>Original Akuma outfit can't be bought with fight money
>Endless grind for fight money
>Only way to get everything is to buy the season pass


It's like Stockholm syndrome

>>385888803
I'm gonna buy it just for Skullomania.

>>385888986
That's my point, Daigo is not a personality to base ones opinions on, he is a tier whore that only sees problems with every game he plays; I cannot not even remember a time he played a game he legitimately enjoyed.
I pointed out Yun/E.Ryu because those are the closest examples before SFV Guile.

>>385889617
>he is a tier whore
>played Jedah
You are fucking retarded

>>385889768
>Season 1 Ryu
>Season 2 Guile
>Turd Strike Ken
>AE Yun
>Ultra E.Ryu
I bet you think Tokido isn't a tier whore either because he is currently playing a mid tier.

>>385889617
That actually wasn't my point, my point was that Daigo favored offensive characters.

>>385889768
Bishamon was top tier in Vampire Hunter. You have a point if you mention Savior which he played less of in comparison.

>>385889617
>Crying about "tier whores" to begin with
>This jedah is top tier
You must be 18 or older to post here

Just bought it when Abigail came out. Focusing on learning both him and Cammy at the moment. Anything I should know?

>>385889617
>tier whore
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

>>385890171
Refer to>>385889959
Me not playing Vampire Kusoge doesn't change the fact that Daigo is a tier whore.

>>385889959
>mid tier
lol

>>385890358
Refer to >>385890171

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>We could've gotten Sodom instead of that fat faggot
>No story interactions with Sodom and Abigail
Maybe he'll return in S3.

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every day my fucking faggot ibuki gives me this fucking faggot look

>>385890357
Stop projecting, buddy, the fact that he is a tier whore doesn't matter to me in itself, what matters to me is using his opinion when he is clearly trying to get the easiest win.
We are talking about the opinion of a guy who instantly switched to Yun to get wins, a guy who picked up Guile without a second thought and a guy who ended IV's lifespan with E.Ryu because "why would you use Ryu when you can use E.Ryu".
Daigo isn't playing to enjoy the games, he's there to win, so his opinions shouldn't be the base of YOUR opinions.

>>385890484
>no Sodom
>or Rolento
>or Lucia
>or Carlos
>or fucking Belger

>>385890554
why did they fuck her face up

>>385890480
But I'm 23, which is why I know Daigo is a tier whore.
It's almost like you haven't seen the last 3 installments of competitive Street Fighter and are running with some literally who kusoge that nobody cares about.
>>385890418
>Akuma is higher than mid tier
Nah, mate, Akuma isn't that good.

>>385890675

>>385890171

>>385890817
because she wears a mask

>>385890675

Most tierwhores gravitate toward characters with easy high damaging combos that caring about top level tech.

Daigo is a technical player at heart and sticks to balanced characters with a high skill ceiling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2UXpHragXc

He invented this shit not too long ago just so he could stick to using Ryu.

>>385887630
Juri looks like a fucking trap in general, compare V Cammy and Chun-li to IV.

V girls look better, not even close.

>>385890484
How canon is mighty final fight? He has a brother in that called masamune who's basically him with a different colour. They could throw him in for S2 because techincally his brother was never in a SF game before.

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>>385890846
>tier whore

>>385890817

Ibuki was never a beauty, her main struggle in life is that she can't get a boyfriend remember?

>>385890858
>wahhh wahhh muh kusoge
Wew, Vampirefags really ARE retarded autists.

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>>385881869
>Poorfag
Opinion discarded

>>385891002

>>385890171

>>385890995
there are multiple reasons why someone could struggle to get a boyfriend besides having a fucked up face

>>385890889
except for the costumes where she doesn't, which sucks because it makes those costumes worse

>>385890907
Most tier whores want a character than can do the job, regardless of execution.
>Daigo technical
Not really, specially in comparison to the rest of the japs.
>super hadouken
Which he is isn't sticking too; he is playing Guile and will be playing Guile until the next hot thing, like E.Ryu in Ultra.
>>385890993
>tier whores don't exist
Ah, yeah, all those Mishimas, Foxes, Kabals and Yuns aren't tier whoring, they really like those characters!

>>385891116

>>385891002
It's actually embarrasing that Vampirefags think their game is even known outside their austis circle

>>385882804
Even scrubs can notice the 0.12~ second delay when they keep getting hit by stuff they thought they reacted to in time.
That 8 frame delay is a big reason why SFV is so rushdown heavy - everyone can get away with shit that wouldn't be possible if the input lag weren't so shit.

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>>385891225
>tier whore

>>385891225
but i actually like lars

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BASED GAIL WORKING THE WEEBS

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Because it relies much more on guessing and risk/reward management than on skill and reactions.
Teching a throw can't be done on reaction and a failed throw tech could cost you half your life bar.
And since the vast majority of characters have no real overhead options, high/low mix-up is practically non-existant, making throws the only truly viable way to break defenses.

It's just such a mess. I've sunk like 70 hours into it by now, 'cause I keep giving it another chance, but I regret it every time.

I have so many other options when it comes to fighters and they're all vastly superior.

>>385881483
Will this game help me git gud at fighting games?

>>385891357

Lars isn't a traditional Mishima he's too much of a jumpy manlet with weird shortrange attacks.

Compare anything Lars does to Kazuya's spinning low kick to uppercut hilarity.

>>385881483
Oki is ridiculous because there's nothing to do defensively and it's extremely hard to stop risky neutral play which leads to that oki

>>385891496
I agree with some of the stuff here, but how do they fix it?

>>385891674
I see people complaining about a lack of defensive options, but really the only systematic difference (between V and IV) appears to be a lack of i-frames on backdash.

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>>385891225
>mishimas
>tier whoring
opinion discarded

>>385891690
I couldn't tell you. What I'd do is make throws easier to tech on reaction and add in more threatening overheads, but you'd have to completely rework the game to do something like that properly.

>>385881483
Pure wake-up abuse Gief gets old fast to play compared to previous iterations.

I don't hate it it's just exasperating to play the game for more than an hour.

>>385891796
And crouch tech, and focus backdash, and meterless DP, and DP FADC. It's also much harder to stop people from getting in and exploiting this due to the lack of good pokes and AAs

>>385881483
I can tell you exactly why.

>Heavily favors aggression over defense with crush counters and lack of defensive options
>Explosive V-triggers like Rog or Laura turn the tide of the game in two mixups
>Stubby normals and the inability to whiff punish consistently
>Everything creative about the game was gutted in the betas

Posted on Neofag today

>If a certain someone is to be believed, S3 will launch with Arcade Mode, Extra Battle mode, buffed V-Reversals, V-Cancels, CA select, balance changes focused around defense, and, of course, Sagat.
>http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1414009&page=6

FADC coming back y'all

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>mfw I stopped playing SFV the moment I broke silver rank

>too prideful to risk losing that rank now so I haven't touched the game since the Ed beta

I'd jump back in if Capcom introduced a new mechanic, right now they're doing the lazy "introduce a new character who's broken and then fix him once the next new broken character releases"

It's artificial hype milking, and it only works for brainlets who don't recognize the pattern.

>>385892194
>FADC coming back y'all
gross

>>385892176
I don't care so much for focus, it just looked like a get out of jail free card in higher level play.
I think the lack of good pokes and AAs is a serious concern which I overlooked.

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>>385892221
>prideful of being a Silvershitter

>>385892221
but you get the trophy from gold rank, you mongoloid

>>385892194
>FADC coming back
please no

>>385892221
>being proud of silver
>calling other people brainlets

lmaoooo

>>385893051
>>385893174

my main is FANG and I refuse to touch anyone else

>>385892221
>>"introduce a new character who's broken and then fix him once the next new broken character releases"

How? The only dlc characters who have been considered possibly "broken" before a buff in a later patch were Urien and now Abigail.

>>385889768
>played Jedah
Probably the best counter to Q.Bee/Sasquatch even if he's super bad against fish.

>>385893312
don't make excuses you fucking pussy, any character can make it to gold

>>385893386

Rog had the whole FGC considering banning him until everyone got distracted by Ed and now Abigail.

Like I said, brainlets don't recognize the pattern. Capcom's deliberately releasing new characters nominally overpowered, pretending it's just a coincidence.

>>385893312
Are there FANGs higher rank than you?

Yes?

Then what's the problem?

Certainly not the character.

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>>385893617

>everyone is equal in ability fallacy

Yikes.

>>385893553
AFTER he was needlessly buffed in S2. The Abigail whining is stupid. Its been less than a month and online shitters falling for gimimicks is a bad metric by which to judge whether or not a character is OP or not.

>>385893754
practice you stupid motherfucker

not everyone can be grandmaster but everyone can be fucking gold

>>385881483
I made it all the way to platinum. I put 500 hours into that POS. I know exactly why I dislike that game. I don't even hate it, I just dislike it.

>>385882526
So what you're telling me is that you're an intermediate player who's complaining because the game cut away at the only thing that made you better than new players?

The problem with SFV is that footsies and zoning suck, so the result is a game that feels less like street fighter than the fucking Alpha test for fantasy strike.

>>385893776
Abigail is mostly people thinking he'd be as bad as Hugo and getting blown by a slightly above average character instead.

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I don't hate it. I just recognise that it's a shitty addition to the series.

>>385893776

no character should be good on release

logically speaking, it should take months for users to catch up with the current meta if said character was truly balanced.

instead the opposite is true, everyone's like WHA-HEY LOOK HOW BROKEN THIS CHARACTER IS! (Don't worry it's possible to beat him ;^) he has a weakness!)

>>385885367

Chun Li.

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I'm guessing the people who say Daigo is nothing but a tier whore never read the interview where he talked about why he picked up Huitzil? The one with the "he's the only robot" and "humanoid characters are out of the question" quotes?

>>385894201
>listening to stream monsters who have never been to a tournament in their lives
Who the fuck cares

>>385893754
At least you admit you're shit

>>385894087
But my point was that's untrue. If out of the 9 released dlc characters only 2 have even been even considered broken on release, then how are capcom
"introduce[ing] a new character who's broken and then fix[ing] him once the next new broken character releases"
like the op says?

>>385890995

Given her win quotes, she can't find a BF because her standards are too high.

>>385881483
But I do: no arcade mode, shit roster, shit art style, shit character models, shit netcode, simplified gameplay focused on esports and more input lag than fucking Shaq Fu.

>>385895126
>shit art style, shit character models
if you prefer IV's artstyle you actually need your head checked

>>385895159
Except it's a lot less bad and at least the characters look like how they're supposed to look. Have you goddamned seen Ken's face in V? That's preposterous.

>>385891225
Actually yeah they usually do. Mishimas are fun as fuck to play and they aren't that easy to play either. If you want to take the easy road you play Dragunov.

>>385894087
I disagree. There should be some characters that are hard to play that it takes months to figure out, and others that you can pick up and instantly understand what their good tools are.

>>385895126
The only current gen fighting game that doesn't suffer from all that is Killer Instinct and you fags refuse to play that because
>XBone has no gaems.

>>385892194
>FADC coming back
As if there wasn't enough rushdown already, making a bunch of moves safe on block more often than only when activating V-Trigger would be a big fucking hassle and a massive buff to some characters. Give us some much needed defensive options instead.

>>385895560
I want Roxy as a fighter. Give her a completely different moveset than Poison.

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>>385895560
Why would that slunt reject his twelve inch coke can CBC? Don't tell me she's not a size queen because we know that's bullshit

>>385881483
>download free weekend
>takes 2 hours to get a game, no training mode
>pick karin
>rekkas are locked behind vtrigger
>uninstall game

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>>385895849
>Why would that slunt reject his twelve inch coke can CBC?
A spaghetti and lettuce to you too?
>>385895802
She gets a baseball bat so it's most likely she won't have a fireball but close-mid-range melee attacks.

>>385895661
KI is coming to steam and people still won't play it

I'm finally learning fighting games thanks to it and a few buds. Using it as a stepping stone into guilty gear. feelsgood to finally start getting a hang of fighting games.

>>385890858
Daigo isn't a vsav player, or rather, he literally switched to sf after darkstalkers 3 came out. Tiers also barely matter in vsav

>>385888936
I can't stand player her after her input changes and store is a lame mechanic since you have to give up damage on a confirm or burn EX to give good damage as store properly.

All I know is having an AA on just 2 buttons even if its shitty makes a world of difference for someone with slow reflexes like me. You cannot jump in on ed so it weeds out shitters easy and helps me focus on playing the game. I just stared and im almost super silver and I was beating people that were almost gold while when I played ryu I could barely beat jumping akumas thats spammed srk.

>>385892221
>this whole post
lmao fuck off man.

>>385891329
they reduced the input lag to 5-6 frames, you baby

>>385891423
man this guy is a pain in the dick to fight I hate armor and it almost makes me miss armor crushes in sfiv

>>385895849
Abigail is pissed because his punk ass goons took his monster truck without telling and he's been beating up everyone in town looking for it.
His characterization seems to be a somewhat competent MGG boss, bara shit-talking motorist type who's super obsessed and emotional over cars.

It's at least better than MOMMASPOTATOES!

>>385895802
Best defense is knocking out the opponent.

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yo when the fuck is fei long going to be in this shitty ass game? why do they keep releasing these retarded goobus ass characters no one cares about or asked for

>>385895362
Former Mishmia player here. This is 100% true. Besides, Mishimas aren't always top tier.
>Tekken 1
Nina is the best character in the game, but all Mishimas are top tier
>Tekken 2
Mostly Kazuya, who is pretty broken. Heihachi and Devil are top tier, but aren't quite as good as Paul.
>Tekken 3
Ogre is the best character in the game. Mishimas are top tier though.
>Tekken Tag
This is pretty much "Mishimas+Ogre: The Game".
>Tekken 4
Mishimas are both mid tier. Jin is best character in the game, but not a Mishima anymore.
>Tekken 5
No Mishimas are top tier. Devil Jin is the only one close. Steve is by far the best, Nina, Bryan and Feng are below that.
>Tekken 5 DR
Mishimas are all top tier again.
>Tekken 6
AKA Bob and Law: The Game. All Mishimas are mid tier.
>Tekken Tag 2
Heihachi, Devil Jin, and Kazuya are the best characters in the game, but Angel is mid tier. I dunno if Jinpachi counts, but he's also mid tier.
>Tekken 7
As of the current version, the only top tier Mishima is Devil Jin, who isn't as strong as Xiaoyu or Dragunov. Kazuya and Heihachi are mid tier. I dunno if Kazumi counts, but so is she.

>>385896385
>Tiers also barely matter in vsav
Sasquatch really is head and shoulders above everyone else. Only reason we've seen shit like Jedah, Anakaris and Lilith in finals lately is because of match unfamiliarity and all good players being gone.

>>385891329
it's 6.5 frames now but it's still too high. With the taking away of alot of OS's it's bloody hard to tech grabs consistently.

>>385897356
Zabel is stronger than Sasquatch and Sas isn't "head and shoulders" above everyone else because Wolf and Bee are top tier along with them. Other characters like Bulleta, Felicia, and Fish are also really strong. Demitri is as well but generally unpopular for some odd reason. The only characters that are complete tire fires are Morrigan, Victor, and Anakaris. Seriously Morrigan is terrible in VSav.

>>385897268
Maybe if there is a S4. We know the 8 remaining DLC characters planned up to this point.

>>385897356
This. From what I remember, Sasquatch is like O. Sagat where some of his matchups against lower tier characters are pretty one sided, but other than that those characters would be mid tier.

>>385893312
I reach to Ultra Diamond playing Fang

>>385897640
Mashquatch is just the easy not as good version of Zabel.

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>>385897640
Yeah no. Zabel is worse than Sasquatch is, Sas is just easier.

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>>385881483
i know one

>>385897546
>We know the 8 remaining DLC characters planned up to this point.
no we don't

the season 3 leak was deconfirmed

>>385898416
Can somebody explain to me why he can just pound over and over and over... ?

needs dudley

When is Season 3 coming out?

>>385900549
This.

>>385900550
Probably early 2018, after EVO-Japan.

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PlayGail

>>385881483
I don't hate it in any way shape or form
I'm extremely fucking disappointed in it though, like the way you'd be disappointed with a kid, because you know they can do better than this.

I hate it because they ruined Juri's moveset

>>385901793
>2018
Fuck that bullshit

Who's the best in SFV out of Ken, Ryu and Chun-li?

>>385902698
There's only 5 months left in the year and they still have to release Menat and Zeku

>>385897640
Completely wrong

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How important is fundies anyways? In almost any popular fighting game I can name at least one decent character that can bypass fundamentals.

>>385888815
>Under Night In-Birth exists

Is this a fucking joke? That shit has been juggle heavy as fuck for most of it's life and UNIST is even worse.

>>385881483
I can't do a Shoryuken

>>385884559
>it's basically the Overwatch of fightan
I wish there was a fighting game with character design and models as good as Overwatch. They only have to render two characters and a half-assed background and yet we can't seem to get quality waifus and baras that aren't made of sprites.

>>385899989
https://youtu.be/TcW3c4hWB-Y?t=9
Abigail can groundpound infinitely following an EX Flip, but if the opponent quick rises, they have a period of invincibility giving them the opportunity to knock him out of it with a simple jab or whatever reversal.
If you're in the open and he's doing it, characters have the means to hit him with whatever safely.
In that webm, the opponent was dumb and tried to armor through the smashing instead of just poking.

>>385900550
>>385902698
There are still two more characters in Season 2 dude.

>>385903401
>character design as good as Overwatch
Overwatch is pretty bland and recycles a lot of designs from other people's work.

>>385887410
Nobody really hates these games, the issue is mainly just with Street Fighter V. I think the game play wasn't exciting enough for me and I don't like seeing the characters I used to play get mutilated movesets.

>>385903607
What the characters are wearing is rather bland, but how their look is pretty fresh. The cartoony style was super endearing in a bog of "realistic" and anime shit.

It's made by Capcom and characters look like shit.

>>385903559
When do they drop?

>>385904258
Male characters look like shit*

>>385904274
Let me hop in my time travel machine and I'll tell you

Why is there a lot of Blondes in this SF (like 10 characters), what's japs obsession with them?

>>385904379
Japs all have black hair, so different hair color is cool to them

>>385881483
Have no hate for it. Only ever played the one that was on sega genesis and remembered having fun with it but not really getting into it. And growing up not ever playing a fighting game since, something about the characters and world tuned me off from fighting games in general until I tried Guilty gear and feel in love with it.

Weird how these things work out.

>>385904297
So all of them? Can't tell a girl from a guy with these muscles and manfaces.

People have a lot of issues with this game. Nobody on /v/ will admit it but we are the casual audience that this game missed out on. There wasn't enough compelling single player content that casual people would've felt cushioned out the 60$ price tag, Not enough characters from the beginning in conjunction with the fact that whatever characters came back looked rough due to the very divisive artstyle. The story mode was shit and not what people wanted and the gameplay itself while great for opening the door and get casuals involved lacks the pizzaz that the other SF entries have. The input lag doesn't help, and the fact Capcom really seems to be only listening to its fgc base makes the game unappealing to people hoping that there would be more there. Capcom should've taken all the singleplayer content from Alpha 3 Max and based the game off of that.

>>385904379
There's more than 10 actually
Ken
Cammy
R.Mika
Nash
Ed
Guile
Kolin
Karin
Alex
Vega

>>385904274
Within the next four months. Probably September and November.

>>385904601
Goku pls

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>>385904601
Are you retarded?

>>385904685
>There's more than 10
>List 10 fighters

>>385881483
I dislike it for the same reason I disliked SF IV
It feels very clunky to play and the hit- and hurt-boxes don't make any sense when compared to the actual animations.

Excusive to SFV - chartacters look like shit and it feels like the backgrounds run at 30fps.

Overall I have much more fun playing Xrd, KI and T7

>>385890554
Canon slut

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>>385905660
>hit- and hurt-boxes don't make any sense when compared to the actual animations.
>Xrd

hmmm

>>385896275
Plebs never value what they have. KI is the Darkstalkers 4 we never got.

>>385905660
>clunky
>likes t7

I still think Tekken feels like I'm playing a ps2 game. Everything is molasses and movement is so fucking shitty in the game

>>385881483
I don't hate it, it's just too simple for me.

>>385908661
All you had to say is you need to do KBDs to get decent movement and you would've won the argument

>>385882526
SF4 was so fucking slow and the matches take forever to end. The only reason SF4 is popular is because SF3 was so shitty that SF4 was given a free pass because it actually sorta resembled how a SF game is supposed to play like.

Try going back to SF2 from SF4 and you'll quickly see just how hardcore SF2 actually is. You die with 3 well placed hits in SF2. There were no crutches in that game. I prefer SF5 over SF4 simply because SF5's comeback mechanic isn't even really a comeback mechanic. All it does is open up the rest of your moveset or combos which aren't normally available to you during the rest of the fight.

SF4 on the other hand popularized that revenge move bullshit that every fighter has now, fuck even Tekken7 jumped on the band wagon. Sure the moves are no good to veteran players but it's still annoying because those revenge style moves take out so much goddamn life and the animations take for fucking ever to end. Especially Mortal Kombat's version the Xray. Fuck damn Xrays are even worse than SF4's revenge.

>>385902750
Right now:
Ken > Chun > Ryu

Before the latest update:
Chun > Ryu > Ken

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>>385907312
>KI is the Darkstalkers 4 we never got.
I'm not saying that Killer Instinct is a bad game, I don't really know a shitload about it and haven't had a chance to try it yet. But I don't really think you understand what makes Vampire, or at least Vampire Savior specifically, as enjoyable to people as it is.

>>385909495
KI is Vampire Hunter
It's a shame we'll get Vsav 2.0 if Darkstalkers ever come back, but who gives a shit since nobody plays either version.

>player 2 can't hit rematch
>pay $30 for a season 2 pass in december, receive barely any content 8 months later and its mostly shit anyway
>player 2 can't select rematch
>the hypest things about playing/watching sfv is teabagging and the personality/stories surrounding the professional players themselves
>player 2 is unable to rematch player 1 in versus mode
>nicknamed duty/obligation fighter v because the prizepools, sponsors, etc force pro players to devote time to it whether they enjoy it or not
>P2 CAN'T REMATCH

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>>385881483
Let's get to the root of the problem then.

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>>385881483
The truth is the main backlash is down to presentation and content. If that was bad and the gameplay wasn't changed then 90% of the criticism would vanish. Most of /v/ doesn't understand the problems with the game, I think input lag is the best example of this as it was an issue never brought up with fighting games before and doesn't effect most players cause they are so bad. But none of those issues are why the huge amount of hate started up, that just became a reason to try and make it legitimate.

The main reason people got so upset was lack of content, it was when people realised how little there was that people turned on the game. Plus the modes there like online were not robust or that functional at launch. Up until people realised that people were mostly positive about the game, even in beta no one was going this game is too laggy. Then on top of that you have so many weird little visual things, not actually from bad models but weird lighting issues see pick related. Same thing with MvCi, no one was hating till they noticed visuals were weird and the package as a game looked weak. Then suddenly everyone is digging for everything criticism possible.

If SFV had a decent launch everyone would be downplaying the gameplay issues.

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>>385881483
I don't hate it, but Abigail is literally broken, nerf this fucker.

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>>385908876
SFIV was hype and deep as fuck and the gameplay never stopped evolving. Ultra still had like 2 more years easily.

SFV was already being played at the highest level possible only weeks after its release and the gameplay hasn't evolved at all since then. What has changed is having to constantly relearn the matchups due to multiple balance updates but that's it.

And lol at the "hardcore" comment about SF2. You truly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Shut the fuck up scrub. Go back to Overwatch.

>>385908876
I don't really like comeback mechanics in general. The only possible exception are team fighters (2vs2, 3vs3) since losing a character means a lot (and even then MvC3's X-Factor sucks)

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>>385909564
>KI is Vampire Hunter
That makes slightly more sense but I'm still not seeing it, likely because again I'm not super acquainted with Killer Instinct. That said most people, whether they realize it or not are thinking about Savior and not Hunter because a lot of the outcry for a new Vampire game are people that haven't or don't play Savior or Hunter. That said I DO play Savior and it's probably my favorite fighting game alongside Tekken. Hell we could even play some other time if you'd like, not now since I'm about to sleep but yeah.

I want to buy it, /v/. Should I?

>>385909713
Let's not forget that Tekken 7 launch with nearly the same problems and that shit got a free pass, treasue battle is garbage single player content, especially for a series like Tekken. I love both games, but the hypocrisy man.

>>385909924
Wait for 50% sale

>>385881483
I don't play Street Fighter, I just masturbate to Chun-Li's thighs.

>>385881483
It's boring as fuck. Wins don't feel rewarding and losses feel just as empty. Terrible netcode,characters, and DLCs don't help either.

>>385909564
>KI is Vampire Hunter
It really isn't, DS is more anime and KI is more SF4 with longer combos and a beaker system

They are only similar in having monsters

>>385881483
(((loading times)))

>>385910040
>DS is more anime

Vampire Hunter is more SF than anime by a mile. Quit getting Vsav and Vhun mixed up

>>385892194
that rumor is too good to be true. It would actually fix a shit ton of problems this game has, which is why I refuse to believe it since this is Capcom we are talking about. A full year later and Ken's hair is still clipping through his shoulder......

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>>385910108
Even then VHun is its own thing in a lot of ways. There's more to Vampire than simply being a "Halloween Street Fighter". Also "anime" is a dumb ass colloquialism but I guess it can't be helped at this point.

The luck-based upsets in the game can make some jackass who has got the basic mechanics down win against a veteran player with 10+ years if experience.

Imagine if you were playing a concert against, I don't know, The Who and your bass player does a riff that launches the springed boxing glove to punch Kenney Jones in his nutsack, making him fuck up and then the crowd cheers you.

>>385909960
Tekken gets by cause it is generally not as obvious a fuck up. No weird QoL issues like player 2 rematch and if you look at it on the surface single player has a story and arcade at launch. Basically the issues it has, like 8 frames of lag, aren't as glaring to casuals like with SFV so they didn't dig further. If SFV had launched in the same state as tekken, 8 frames wouldn't be a meme.

>>385909960
people care a lot more about street fighter than tekken even if the games are better or worse than each other. people want to see street fighter do well, yes?

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Yes I do

>Boring gameplay consisting of nothing but pure rushdown but the hardest combos being MP MP Tatsu or just spamming your 1 crush counter button all round
>Missing features
>Overpriced costumes, a costume PACK in SFIV was the same price as 1 costume in SFV
>CPT Stage being 25 fucking bucks to support cancer esports
>Shills, shills and shills
>John D
>Combofiend
>Instead of trying to salvage the game with beloved characters they give us Abigail and Colon
>The game is ugly as fuck even for its artstyle
>Online is fucking terrible with one sided lag in 80% of your matches
I could go on

>>385881483
Yes I do:
1. Tons of input lag.
2. Lack of execution.
3. Boring af compared to weebshit and kof.

>>385910570
>people care a lot more about street fighter than tekken
no, casuals love tekken way more and the competitive scene only really died down cause TT2 was meh and the wait for 7 was long

>>385909960
Tekken has less content compared to its own previous iterations but if you look at the competitors it's pretty average and that's why it gets away with it. Hell, none come even close to the customization T7 has.

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>>385910627
>>Instead of trying to salvage the game with beloved characters they give us Abigail and Colon
I'm mixed on this one because I think most "beloved" character in Street Fighter are fucking lame as shit anyway because people want dumb motherfuckers like Dudley or Q instead of actually fun stuff. Then again I don't really like Street Fighter or its characters a shitload so what do I know.

>>385910040
KI is Darkstalkers because of the gameplay speed, resource management, Instinct/DF, and stock gauge systems. Not because it has monsters.
KI is more modern, has much more depth in character-specific resource management and takes the finisher-heavy combo system from the first KI. But it's clear what game it was trying to imitate during development.

>>385910627
>there are people that actually PAID for Abigail

>Main Nash
>He got nerfed into oblivion because one korean pro was good using him in tournaments
>All his EX moves suck dick
>Had Unreliable AA butons
>VT and V-reversal utterly useless now
>His combos do shit damage compared to the rest of the cast

With a game as shitty as SFV is Nash was the only character thar I found fun, but they took away everything that made him fun and made him shit for no good reason while characters like Balrog and Karin remained untouched. Find it amazing how Nash is considered a 'rushdown' character but Guile and Dhalsim are both better than him.

>>385910431
Tekken gets by because it's fans are beaten wives. SCV was ridiculously better, but Namco will never drop the favorite child no matter how old, clunky and stale it is compared to their better 8-way-run IP.

>>385904541
Needs more redheads.
All you got is C.Viper and Akuma. Necali has some nappy black-red dredlock shit.
Everyone else has blond hair or black/brown hair.
Even several few people in the purple/blue/green range, Hakan, Poison, Rose, Remy.

>>385910797
>but if you look at the competitors it's pretty average
Story mode
Arcade mode (no endings)
Treasure Battle
VR mode (just practice on one stage and PS4 exclusive)

Not even a fucking trial mode. That is the same as SFV or less if you are on PC.

>none come even close to the customization T7 has.
T7 customization is shit, they didn't even add all the stuff from arcades. Injustice 2 is easily comparable.

>>385910994
>It's fans are beaten wives.
That's every fighting game franchise ever, now including Street Fighter.

>>385887973
>>385888175
If they put Cody in SFV, I'd consider getting it.

>>385910937
>Rushdown character that deals zero damage with it's attacks
You know the pain I felt when I tried to re-main Vanessa in KoF14.

>>385911032
>>385910797
Oh I forgot tekken bowl as paid dlc. Imagine if capcom made a new mode paid dlc, never here the end of it.

>>385911134
>Cody gets in
>Wearing the Streetwise convict jumper instead of the stripes, or some ugly street clothes
>He'll play nothing like Alpha/4 Cody
>Knife probably locked behind V-Trigger

>>385910937
I don't get this way of thinking. Infiltration played Nash in a way Cacpom never thought he'd be played, so they make him a huge turd on the character select? What exactly did they envision him as then?

>>385881483
I hate it because none of my favorite characters are any good, the Story Mode I was hyped for was a fucking joke, the pre-story story mode is a joke, there's no arcade, the newer characters are walled off by a stupid amount of points unless I cough up money and Abigail exists.

>>385911273
Worse Guile?

>>385910879
>KI is Darkstalkers because of the gameplay speed, resource management, Instinct/DF, and stock gauge systems.
These are pretty barebones comparisons man. Speed is a non-issue since being "fast" isn't really exclusive to Vampire, especially when Savior is way faster than Hunter despite people saying KI is like Hunter. Resource management is a factor in pretty much every fighting game past Street Fighter 2, Dark Force was in Savior and similar things can be seen in games like BlazBlue and even SFV. The stock gauge is probably the best example you mentioned.

>>385910937
Balrog was utter crap in season 1 though.

For Season 2 they should've brought back one character from SF1 one from SF2, one from the SF alpha series, one from SF3, one from SF4 and one new character with all the returning characters to be have their playstyles reworked from the ground up like Nash and Karin so they still felt fresh and new while keeping everyone happy

>>385911461
You won't get it until you play it.
Mira vs Glacius is literally next gen Q.Bee vs Anakaris.

>>385911490
I was talking in regards to the S2.1 update

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>>385911572
So does Glacius just sit in the corner holding down back all game and eating IAD overheads for days because he can't pushblock and his guard cancel sucks complete dick?

>>385911521
That's kinda what the S3 leak looked like with Sagat, Sakura, Necro, Oro, Q and Viper. Only really missing a SF2 guy (Would prefer Hawk, Jay and Fei suck)

>>385911686
jesus christ I cannot believe I am about to fap to this gif. I really am too far gone.

>>385911686
>Not dashing round the world and spamming curses and floating MK
It's OP vs NU but this game is actually good so a good Anakaris can stand up to a good Bee even if they're going down. You make it sound like vanilla World Warrios Guile vs Zangief.

>>385911905
I mean Anakaris can put up a fight because he actually is pretty awesome once he gets going, but his defensive options are basically non existent so half of the time he either gets blown up or shits on people. Then again there's like 3 Anaks in existence so idk.

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>>385911808
You fucking got me with that one.

>>385911808
I'd join you if only that move was done on a female character

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>>385911808
Don't feel bad, Q-Bee awakens the /d/ in all of us. Welcome to the club, the pit only gets deeper from here.

>>385912230
There's nothing stopping you from doing it in game.

>>385911686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFpWWHIhgKU
"literally" is a massive exaggeration but I do see some bee vs mummy here with Glacuis' mid-range moves and Mira's ridiculous 8-way mixups.
>Starts 1:50:10

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>>385893312
I'm a Fang main and I used to think I'd never get beyond silver. Now I'm a few points shy of super gold. Don't be scared of losing because thats how you improve. Play casual matches until you're comfortable with people around the silver-gold skill level then attempt ranked. Also learn those setups off ex ryobenda.

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>>385912478
I'm still not quite seeing it, but I do want to give the game a go once it hits steam. KI and Vampire just really seem like different beasts, albeit fun in their own ways.

Also while Q-Bee is defined by her air dash mixup, her neutral game is fantastic and so are her throws. Is Mira really like that?

>>385881869
This is fine if you only buy like two or three games a year like I do. Especially since I never pay full price for anything.

>>385912958
Her pokes are super good when paired with the air dash, her projectile works almost the same as Bee's standing HP and her basic throw puts the opponent right into mix-up range. Her command throw (where she lifts and bites you, of which there are three versions with one being anti-air and one being dash+grab almost exactly like C>R) is vital to playing her well since some moves drain her health and the CT restores a chunk of your white health.

I used to main Bee and Mira really is the closest I've had to playing her again. People who compare Bee to Adon or X-23 are retards who don't know shit.

>>385913474
Good insight then. I actually play Demitri and Felicia myself. Albeit poorly but still.
>People who compare Bee to Adon or X-23 are retards who don't know shit.
This can be said of a lot of people that bring up Vampire honestly. Bonus points for Q-Bee's Delta A being totally fucking useless and completely lacking what makes Adon's Jaguar Kick good in the first place.

>>385881483
Because I don't like fighting games

>>385889617
>play a game competitively
>while not ensuring you'll make everything to win
I don't get why you people ge so mad about tier whores. Competition isn't some dumb anime about the power of friendship, you know?

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>>385913879
Don't even bother arguing that shit dude, save your breath.

Also Shadow Jago is looking pretty Demitri.

>>385881483
it's because it doesn't have sprites

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>>385890846
>Nah, mate, Akuma isn't that good.

Good enough to win evo.

>>385914057
>Mira is Q-Bee
>Glacius is Anakaris
>Shadow Jago is Demitri
>Fulgore is Morrigan
>Sabrewulf is Felicia
>Thunder is Bishamon
>Maya is Fish
>Riptor is Sasquatch
>Khan Ra is Zabel
>EVO entries rose each year and Twitch viewership was hype as fuck but organizers dropped it despite having a new character released a month prior
If this game hadn't been bone exclusive we wouldn't be asking what the best fighting game of the gen is, fuck microsoft.

>>385899989
Its a gimmick.
Any its extremely punishable.
The reason why he can pound over and over is also because in the corner if the enemy refuse's to do a quick wakup you can pound him an additional 8 times on the ground.

>>385914604
KoF13 and GGXrd sold like shit.
And I don't remember SFIIITS selling any better, it coasted on arcades still being a thing at the time.

I hate all the micro-transactions and how every new fighter, stage and constume is locked behind virtual currency when the game cost £30-40 on release.

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>>385881483
I haven't played the game for a long time(stopped around the time Capcom released or previewed Urien and the banned players using the round 1 instant win program in survival mode) so keep that in mind

-Game's not finished when they decided to make PHYSICAL copies of the game.
-The playable characters on release felt so few. I know that SFII had like 8 on start but come on, they've made decent number of SF games throughout the years. They have opportunities to make the game start with more than 16.
-Where the fuck is arcade mode all this time? Sure, there's recent news that it was made but after this long period of time, my crave for it was gone. Even with the lack of a proper final boss, how the hell did they screw that up big time? No, Survival mode is not arcade mode and yes, I need arcade mode because I rarely get to find matches with decent latency in my country and I like to play fighting games even if it's offline.
-The U.I. looks so plain and basic when compared to previous installments
-The game was clearly rushed on its release
-Though I find the V system to be interesting, the game felt a bit underwhelming.
-The artstyle used in the game feels heavily hit or miss. They fucked up Ken, Ibuki, and Abigail for me

Like I said, I haven't played the game for a long time so tell me, did they add or improve the following things:
-Stages that doesn't have that out of bounds KO animation (like that one stage with the waterfalls I believe)
-Able to properly config keyboard buttons (From what I remembered, only controller buttons can be config)
-Able to see and use a character select screen when playing online (rather then just set the character you want to use on the main menu)

What are the chances of seeing Super Street FIghter V?

>>385910937
Nash is back to being pretty okay after the 2.5 patch.

>>385887973
he's one of he best things about SFV

>>385917745
>Stages that doesn't have that out of bounds KO animation (like that one stage with the waterfalls I believe)
Yes, most stages now have Edge KO animations on both sides, some even layered so that you'd get two different ones going the same side. This sometimes means that the stage width will expand, such as on New York's right side opening up the bank interior.
Several of them will result in the character wearing some object or piece of litter as a hat in the next round until they get hit.
The "stage with the waterfalls" has the character flying headfirst into a hollow log, or getting flung into the cave and into Nash's coffin.

>Able to properly config keyboard buttons (From what I remembered, only controller buttons can be config)
lolnope
>Able to see and use a character select screen when playing online (rather then just set the character you want to use on the main menu)
lolnope

My complaint is that it took a game that was already back to basics, back to even more basics.

>>385881483
Low skill ceiling and input lag

>>385920191
>or getting flung into the cave and into Nash's coffin.
First time I saw this I lost my sides laughing because it was on my bro's Nash.
>Back where you belong bitch