Why is Fallout 4's dialog system so streamlined?

bumpo

Voice acting puts hard restraints on the amount of dialog, so they cut out personality and careful world building in favor of information dumps and worlds that remain static even as you adventure in them. That's why no one ever comments on anything you do outside of a radio broadcast, and why piper insists on calling you "Blue" even if you're not wearing the vault-tec suit.

>>385872285
>hire some expensive e-celebs nobody cares about
>dude we are short in budget

>>385870793
Voice acting.

>>385870793
You're saying Daggerfall is any better? It's just generic questions. No better than any other Elder Scrolls game. Battlespire had good dialog though.

>>385870793
Because most modern gamers mash A through it anyways.

>>385870793
Because, for one the image on the right is a summary, not what he actually says, and 2, the "info" on the left is just that, info. Generic copypasted paragraphs that virtually every character has.

>>385873053
>yes
>no(yes)
>sarcastic(yes)
>snarky(yes)
So this is the power of Bethesda writing huh.

>>385870793

HATE NEWSPAPERS

you should be comparing it to fallout 1 or 2 which actually had a good dialogue system, old elder scrolls dialogue is just an ingame wiki

>>385873226
The image in OP is
>more info on subject matter
>I don't want to get involved with this
>I don't support the publication raised
>I do support the publication raised
Actually play the game instead of copypasting the top comment on whatever NV pandering video you watch.

File: 1495676939857.png (179KB, 462x450px) Image search: [Google]

179KB, 462x450px

>>385873942

>>385870793
>Why is Fallout 4's dialog system so streamlined?
fallout is a BOUGHT property, they do not care about it
it exists to make money, they wanted to get as much money they could in a short period, so they catered to the simplest audience, which is the broadest audience


there is no life support plan for the bethesda's fallout, they do not care about future titles, they do not need to set a legacy for it
once it's milked dry, they will sell it

I hate the voice protagonist. It cuts down on so much potential content. Todd of all people should have known that.

>>385873942
>spew some lines not related to the quest detail
>give me the quest (sarcastic)
>give me the quest (mean spirited)
>give me the quest (moralfag)

Personally I just get bored asking a lifeless NPC 15 questions about every available subject

I don't even like sidequests, but if you're gonna have them just keep it straightforward: the character asks for help, and I give a yes or no. The inquisition is a chore and it's boring. I'll tolerate a few additional options for persuasion/intimidation lines, but that's it. No more. It doesn't need to be that deep

>>385870793
To cut costs. It's easier to assign all the writing duties to some interns than it is to get an actually talented screenwriter.

>>385874445
Fuck up cunt.

voice acting and the success of games like mass effect and dragon age

>>385874514

no YOU eat a dick

NYUGGAAAAAAAA

>>385874714
doro

>>385874410
So you haven't actually got to this part in the game, it has nothing to do with a quest, fucking retard.

File: 1499731579854.png (9KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 500x500px

>>385874957
泥

>>385874957
wow you were so engaged with it that you remembered the details?
damn it must be cool to not play many games

>>385873942
>All of these options!
>They all lead to the same dialogue anyways!

I miss Arcanum dialog

>>385870793
because people started to notice how much dialogue was just being skipped.

and rather make dialogue interesting, or go back to the more text-reliant interfaces of earlier games, which have a benefit of allowing more potential reactions, they instead just tried to limit things so you'd follow a fairly linear series of choices or options.

>>385875090
I actually played the game, try it instead of shitting on a scene you never got to
>>385875120
Which is exactly what was the case with New Vegas, except you might have a skill "check" which does nothing other than award you xp and lead to the same outcome anyway

>>385870793
Streamlined might not be the right word. Streamlining is all about removing redundancy. Suppose you have some information a player needs to look at regularly in, say, a strategy game. They need to go to a certain page, pop out a panel, click through, and then see the bit. But if you redesign the panels you can fit all the subpage info on the one page. Allowing the player to gather all the relevant information at once with no extra clicks. That's streamlining. The keyring in Fallout 3 and New Vegas was streamlining.

Fallout 4 doesn't streamline anything with its dialog. It completely reduces existing functionality to no clear gain, and denies the player valuable information in its new design. And the reason is that Bethesda bit off more than they could chew by committing to a voiced protagonist. It put a strain on writing, voice acting budget and engineering and the bastardized dialog system is the logical result. From the beginning it probably looked like a practical way of solving their problems but at least Howard has admitted in retrospect it doesn't work nearly as well as they thought it would and the things they lost in the process (such as modders being able to make quests easily) have clearly been more than any possible gain. Fallout 4's dialog system is simpler than previous entries, but it isn't better fitted to a specific purpose. It was a bad move, and we can all hope Bethesda don't do it again.

File: 1493193424292.jpg (100KB, 1440x810px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 1440x810px

>>385875608
Brainlet.

File: 1441852303213.jpg (117KB, 392x500px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 392x500px

>>385875694

File: 20170801204544_1.jpg (677KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

677KB, 1920x1080px

>>385870793
I don't even care about dialogues. I just kill things.

>>385875723
Don't bother responding if you can only do so with anime reaction images and one word "sentences".
>>385875935
Hang yourself

>>385875935
Too bad you can't because muh essential npcs.

File: 1474069467447.png (237KB, 443x415px) Image search: [Google]

237KB, 443x415px

>>385875998
I bet you are an intellectual that believes f4 is a "good game with flaws" doesn't ? fag.

>>385875872
It's not that long is it? Maybe just read the first bit and see what you think. The difference between streamlining and simplification is a more useful discussion than Fallout 4's flaws in my opinion.

>>385876071
>muh essential npcs
Mods.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/837
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/16586/
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/16000/
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/197/

File: 1483001277202.png (286KB, 421x410px) Image search: [Google]

286KB, 421x410px

>>385876565
>mods

File: 20170801214526_1.jpg (626KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

626KB, 1920x1080px

>>385876879
Mods are the only reason of play (and keep playing after years) something made by Bethesda.
Freedom and Mods. You can't ask for anymore in a videogame.

>>385875608
wel i played the game and the dialog was fucking garbage. shooting was fun dough

>>385870793
because unique dialogs for npc (plus voice acting) takes more time/resources/effort to make compared to a single pool of strings shared to all npc (all rng and irrilevant to gameplay) like daggerfall did