Find a flaw WITHOUT comparing to New Vegas Protip: you cannot

>>385858392
its story makes no goddamn sense and neither does the world at large.
the gunplay is terrible even for 2007 as are the graphics.

Worse than Fallout 4.
Unironic opinion.

>>385858392
>200 years since the war
>Megaton still scavenges a grocery store

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>>385858392
Find a flaw without comparing it to any game ever made.
Protip: you cant

>>385858392
Railroading: The Game

The only redeeming aspect of the game is the first 10 minutes before the railroading begins in full swing.

>>385858392
Iron sights

>>385858392
The ending was shit. You couldn't aim down your sights. All the DLC was garbage. And the game had like 5 sidequests worth it doing, plus the entire left side of the world was empty as fuck.

>>385858392

- DC area not to scale (this is disorienting)
- DC itself not to scale when there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't
- not enough explosive weapons
- behemoths were fun but no reason to fight them
- can't side with the enclave, at least not in any meaningful way that has an impact in the game

>>385858607
the guns are retarded and would never work in real life
the story makes no goddamn sense
boring ass quests that never stop.

>>385858392
Extremely bare bones roleplaying and character building potential. Very limited number of meaningful choices. The most arbitrary morality system of any game I've ever played. Shitty gunplay, level-scaling, no sense of challenge at any point. Abysmal writing and one-dimensional characters. Honestly, not being able to compare it to new vegas makes it much easier to point out flaws.

The ending is a fucking mess
The daddy thing is a weak plot hook
Enemy scaling

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>try to aim my gun
>the screen just kind of awkwardly zooms in a tiny bit

seriously what the fuck man

>>385858636

The railroading isn't as bad as Fo4. At least in Fo3 you can go right to Vault 112 if you know where it is, but in Fo4 the courser you need to kill will not spawn until you begin his quest.

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>>385858392
[Intelligence] So you fight the good fight with your voice on Galaxy News Radio.

>>385858392
Society should already have hit a stride this far after the war, 200 years is too long for people to still be living in rubble, infact they would have started rebuilding after a year or two.

>>385858392
>>385858607
>post-apocolyptic world full of potential for literally ANY story arcs and factions that can represent current and any imagined ideology to battle and subterfuge in any conceivable level and involve the player to make choices that determine the outcome of these power struggles
>LOL nah let's do daddy issues two times
Someone at Bethesda legit needs therapy.

Everyone loved Fallout 3 when it first came out
I fell there is a retroactive hate for the game

It's a Bethesda game

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>>385859128
What? Anon, I'm perfectly healthy!

>>385858392
high intelligence is unbalanced. i think you get something like 27 skill points per level if you have it at 10, which is insane. that being said, it is a true open world game, barring a handful of very dangerous areas it really doesn't matter where you go when you leave the vault.

>>385858953
>group of libertarian scientists want the water to go out freely to heal the wastelands
>fascist organization wants to take control of the water, choke off who it wants and make the region more dependant on them as the only "producer" of clean water in large quantities
Hmm. I wonder why some people might see a difference in these two end purposes...

Horrible combat. I don't care about the plotholes or lazy writing, I just want to wander around a wasteland and enjoy the adventure, but the combat is so fucking retarded. FPS games that use levels to determine health and damage are fundamentally flawed. Not only that but the movement and gunplay feels awful compared to a standard FPS.

>>385858607

- main quest stops making sense after you visit the institute for the first time
- few interesting NPC settlements, because Beth expects the player to make them
- the ingame settlement system doesn't allow for settlements anywhere like the settler mod for fo3 did
- no skills, so it's an awful RPG
- boston is lame
- nuka world is lame
- nothing interesting in the Mass state house, despite it being Mass's capitol building (this is a problem Fo3 had as well)
- RNG loot (this is by far the worst thing about the game and is what killed my interest in it, none of the guns have any personality)

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Parmigiano-Reggiano was too much of a pussy to write his own story and stick by it

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>>385859160
yeah that's when the fallout 3 baby grew up and finally got their hands on Fallout 1 and 2, and also 2 year later fallout: new vegas released which was infinitely bigger than fallout 3 and better at the same time even thought it's literally the same game.

Childhood is loving fallout 3, adulthood is understanding that fallout 3 and 4 is garbage, shat on a very good serie reputation and complexity to make it populars, and that it will never go back to what it used to be.

I want Van Buren so much.....

>>385859160
Some of us were too young to know why the game was shit. Hindsight is 20/20, especially once you discover fallout 1 and 2.

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>>385859351
>none of the guns have any personality
Bro, do you even TACTICOOL your PIPE GUN, BRO?

>>385859247
Then stop forcing players to roleplay your pathetic psychodramas instead of an actual fallout story.

>>385858392
>No diagonal running animations
hohohoho

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>>385858953
Because Lyons BoS was full on moralfag tier so the Enclave were the baddies even though they were literally right.

At least the BoS went back to their Mutie purging ways in FO4.

>>385859423

New Vegas is an empty world padded wirh fetch quests

FO3 had far more action and GAMEPLAY

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>WITHOUT comparing to New Vegas
That's fine, NV isn't even needed to highlight how bad of a game it was
Fallout died after 2

>>385859914
Ahahah, good on you son..

Ahhh children, they're so innocent with their "Oh! Fallout 3 has a the better atmosphere and gameplay! oh! fallout 3 got nice graphic and character!"
they just need a real RPG to learn

you'll grow up son

>>385858392
-Cinematic kill cams
-Dumbass slapstic 'humor'
-Casting Liam Neeson and Malcolm McDowell and giving them basically nothing to work with.
-Characters with no real traits at all
-Karma is screwy and retarded
-Level scaling sucks
-Shooting sucks
-Weapon variety is piss poor
-Weapons look stupid; ie they don't make sense because their designers know nothing about firearms.
-Narrow array of build viability
-Game lacks any sense of tone or context for anything.
-World is nonsensical
-Art direction is bad.
-Not going into detail about the story, discursive essays have been written ripping it to shreds.

>>385859128
Post apoc is literally the best genre to develop relationships and characters

too bad video game writers suck

>>385860294
I actually liked the Pitt a lot.

>>385859787
Enclave seemed pretty generically evil to me . Didn't they want to kill like 97% of the human population? Its not like they only wanted to kill super mutants and ghouls, most humans in dc were mutated to some degree.

>>385858829
>dc area not to scale
implying boston or vegas were to scale either

>Super Mutants AGAIN
>anyone can make fucking FEV in their meth lab now

>F1/F2 Super Mutants
>intelligent technophile soldiers

>F3 Super Mutants
>high functioning autists

>F4 Super Mutants
>retarded orcs

>>385860738

they aren't either and that is a problem, the strip in NV fucking sucks

but on it's own, there is no excuse

>>385858392
Flaw? There are many. Although FO3 is my favorite, the game is far from perfect.

>>385860710
Not really. The Fallout 3 Enclave realized that the FEV plan was fucking retarded so they just wanted to turn on the water purifier and rebuild Merica.

The whole reason Eden releases you is because Colonel Autumn doesn't want to put the FEV in the water.

>>385860917

Ashur clearly knows what he's doing, considering he single handedly built his own industrial empire. Even if it is a hellscape, it's his hellscape.

>>385861343
Yep, Autumn thought that the Enclave's methods were too extreme and didn't give a damn about killing wastelanders.

>>385858392
Capital wasteland spent 200 years living in either a leaky tub half submerged in radioactive water, or next to a nuclear bomb because

>>385860738
I thought we weren't comparing games here, dumbfuck

>>385861183
Ashur, and the whole premise of the DLC, was retarded.

The only thing of worth made by the Pitt was bullets. Bullets used to keep the slaves in line and kill the troggs they eventually turn into. Slaves collect steel to make bullets to make more slaves to collect more steel to make more bullets.

>>385861736
I'm not comparing, just making it clear that expecting cities to be to scale after consoles limitations have raped video games is fucking stupid, faggot.

>>385860710
>Enclave seemed pretty generically evil to me . Didn't they want to kill like 97% of the human population?

No, that was just their super computer leader. The Enclave under Colonel Autumn rebelled against it and went to go turn on the purifier. At the beginning of the game they say that the purifier will purify all the water in the entire estuary. I don't see how anyone can control the water that way. You'd have to control the entire shoreline to stop people from getting the water.

>we will never get a fallout spin off about the post-post apocaliptic world in the NCR regime

>>385861127
>Not really. The Fallout 3 Enclave realized that the FEV plan was fucking retarded so they just wanted to turn on the water purifier and rebuild Merica.

The Enclave is such a wasted faction. They are always made into genocidal maniacs for no good reason. They could be a fantastic foil against the BoS. The Enclave wants to rebuild the old world, the mission of the BoS is to stop the old world's technology from being used again. They are diametrically opposed but then the writers make the conflict just about the Enclave trying to kill everyone for no good reason. It's dumb.

>>385861736
The rule is you can't bring up a flaw of fallout 3's while comparing it to new vegas
You can still disprove a flaw of fallout 3's while comparing it to new vegas

>>385861658
>The Gary Vault was fucking kino

Fixed.

>>385859160

I hated it when it came out anon. I've never liked FO3. It's Bethesda's crappy off-brand post-nuclear RPG, rather than the real deal. It's like when someone tries to pass off a Pepsi for Coke. They're not the same.

You may personally like Pepsi in this instance, but I wanted a Coke.

That said, The Pitt was actually good, and Point Lookout was fun. The rest of FO3 is absolute garbage.

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>>385862024
The Purifier would purify all the water in the Tidal Basin. Not an insurmountable issue for an advanced paramilitary force.

>>385861567
>Yep, Autumn thought that the Enclave's methods were too extreme and didn't give a damn about killing wastelanders.

It's not the methods he thought were extreme, but the entire plan of genociding the wastelanders.

>>385858528
t. casual

great atmosphere and decision making are just a little too advanced for ya, huh?

>>385861601
>Capital wasteland spent 200 years living in either a leaky tub half submerged in radioactive water, or next to a nuclear bomb because

The bomb at Megaton could have been unearthed long after the settlement was built. What if they found the bomb 40 years before FO3 takes place and then the name of the place changed soon after?

>>385859542
This, when Fo3 came out I was so young that I still primarily played consoles. I will give Fo3 one thing, it introduced me to Fallout so all the Fallout games I played were pretty much all uphill from there.

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>>385858636
>Railroading
>a lot of time is spent following subway tunnels
Seems appropriate.

>>385858392
The guns are all shit on a shingle
All the characters talk like fags and their shit's all retarded
also the game looks like actual shit

>>385858607
Made with the same garbage engine as NV and 3 making it feel 10 years older than it is

>>385859160
It was many people's first fallout so no one knew of the betters before it

>>385862382
>The Purifier would purify all the water in the Tidal Basin. Not an insurmountable issue for an advanced paramilitary force.

They could have explained that geographic feature better.

>>385862538
Megaton was built around the bomb in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amtsN-NRqwM

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>>385862538
So, instead of running the fuck away and sending the best demolitions expert in there to try and disarm the bomb. or failing that move ANYWHERE ELSE?
They renamed the town and had a fucking party?

DUDE

NUKES

LMAO

>>385862896
malnourished low iq people born in an atomic wasteland wouldnt be the sharpest tools in the shed

>>385860562
Yes, but roleplayed relationships, not forced family shit. Goddamnit the last thing I want in an RPG is to force me to interact with strong personality parents.

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>>385862538
That's wrong though. There's some old lady in town that straight tells you they chose to build around the nuke. The reason being that they wanted the help from 5 guys that unironically praise nuclear bombs to build the town.
The entire concept of Megaton is retarded from the start and gives you a pretty good idea of Bethesda writing.

Why are people shitting on Megatron.

>>385862998
But they know what it is, they know what it could do if it went off!
not only that but it's emitting radiation.
It goes against basic survival instincts animals have.

>>385861906

It was stupid but it works within the context of Fallout. I was far more interested in Ashur's empire then Lyons playing grabass in DC.

Also most of the ammo made in the Pitt is sent to Ronto.

>>385863262
Because they're Optimus fags

>>385863268
It's okay, radiation doesn't affect people who live next to atom bombs. See: the guy who stands in the radioactive ditch water all day with no problem

>>385861658
>shitting on the closest thing to a pokemon in the fallout universe
end urself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcodU1MkKdo

>>385863158
Not to mention that Bethesda turns the Children of the Atom from a group of 5 retards in Megaton into a major faction spanning from D.C. to Boston.

And they are immune to radiation because reasons.

The Institute and the Children of the Atom are two very good reasons why Bethesda should stick with rehashing old factions instead of trying to come up with their own. Because their own factions are goddamn fucking stupid.

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>>385863617

>>385858392
You know we meme that TW3 has terrible gameplay when it's actually just mediocre, well FO3 has actual garbage gameplay, nobody with a brain can enjoy that shit.

>>385859386
Does this faggot still work at Bethesda?

>>385863262

because it looks like shit and I really wanted to see reagan airport in Fo3

also tenpenny tower should be near dukov's place, not way down in the corner of the map

>>385863723
Are there any Bethesdrones who actually defend this?
Asking out of curiosity

>>385864023
He wrote Fallout 4 so I'm assuming he does

>>385859386
>player's dad was going to be one of those failed fev experiments

The only game I know that even has a shotgun design as stupid as this one does is Infamous, and Infamous, despite looking like gravel or concrete paste half the time, gets a excuse because its gameplay isnt shit.

>>385859386
>it would have been too similar to a game we made like ten years later so we canned it
What a fucking tard.

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>>385864146
>Son, as they were dumping me in the vats I heard how you blew up a whole town
>I'm disappointed in you

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>>385858887
>not wanting infinite quests
What are you, a chess player?

>>385859423
I played New Vegas before playing 3, and even then I didnt play 1 or 2 until beating 3. I found 3 to be really dull, but I liked how desolate it felt compared to the other games.

That said... I also like Fallout 4. More than three, less than New Vegas. I just enjoy the settlement and loot systems and how they feed back into questing. It's a satisfying loop.

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>Charon, a literal mind controlled slave who HAS to do everything you tell him no matter how suicidal or stupid that may be
>refuses to go into the purifier chamber because "muh destiny"
>but he will if you buy our DLC!

Fuck Fallout 3.

>>385864835
That's not even as stupid as the many radiation immune companions who will refuse as well.

>>385865345
Like Charon? He's also radiation immune, I just tarded out and forgot to include it. Actually, he's a ghoul - radiation HEALS HIM.

>Roofs and walls with holes in them
>destroyed shit in houses
>beds without mattresses or pillows

This really annoyed me more than it should. Can no one figure out carpentry after the bombs fell? we're all bed sheets eradicated?

>>385865901
The entire game's story falls apart if you even give it a sideways glance. You questioning this is literally putting more effort into worldbuilding than Bethesda did.

>>385864835
>>385865901
Exposure to huge amounts if radiation will turn ghouls into ferals but Fawkes had no fucking excuse to not activate that purifier.

>>385858392
>Spend entire life in underground vault
>Step outside for the first time
>Instantly know that caps are the local currency

>>385866909
That's just nitpicking.

>>385858392
>It's only good if you forget OTHER GAME exists
Bravo, OP