Is Spirit of Justice good? I remember a lot of people saying

Only thing people seem to agree on are the 2nd & 3rd cases being good, rest of the game is pretty divisive.

In my opinion the best thing it does is unfuck what DD did to investigations.

>>385855584
>In my opinion the best thing it does is unfuck what DD did to investigations.

what you mean

>>385855263
I'm a big fan of Apollo so I really liked this game. The truth is there's not really a bad Ace Attorney game. They're only good or bad relative to each other and I'd say SoJ isn't one of the best but it isn't the worst either. Definitely an enjoyable experience.

I like it more than DD. A lot of /v/ was putting it in their top 3 in the series after release which I'm not too sure about, but people are still saying it recently which means a lot I think.

>>385855691
You can inspect stuff everywhere again.

Kind of dull. Both of the mainline 3DS games feel too disconnected from the earlier entries.

>>385855691
They're less streamlined and have more dialog for exploring and investigating stuff.

I think people are dumb in that regard though. Investigations were the worst part of the franchise, so I feel DD made a good choice with making them easier.

>>385855691
DD heavily streamlined what and how you can investigate to the point where it felt too hand hold-y for me. SoJ undoes that.

>>385855951
>Investigations were the worst part of the franchise
I disagree, it's where most of the cast are characterized and where pretty much all the best dialogue is too. Only issue with it is that in some cases the event flagging and required backtracking is tedious (AA1 has particular problems with this, even 1-5 somehow despite being written way later on)

I liked it a lot while it lasted, for some reason it felt shorter than most AA games though.

>>385856169
The actual mechanics, the backtracking (just touch everywhere bro) and the flavor dialog (for things you DONT need) makes them more boring and tedious. Only game that does it somewhat correctly are the Miles Edgeworth game, main games are awful in this regard.

Basically, dialog is fine as long as it makes the story move forward or explains something interesting, but the actual investigating stuff ("umm, chair looks comfy", "that looks nice hummm") is a waste of time.

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>nostalgiafags hating something new

gee i wonder why

I genuinely believe it's on par with 1 and 3. The first parts of case 1 and 5 drag on a bit though.

It was alright. The parts with Apollo and Athena were good, the rest was meh. I hate the spirit medium shit though so I'm a bit biased.

>>385858270
Good job posting that in thread with responses consisting solely of either praise or general indifference man.

>>385855263
Why are Maya and Nahyuta blurry in that pic?

>>385855263

In terms of gameplay it blows DD the fuck out.

In terms of story it gets blown the fuck out.

>>385855263
As someone who liked DD, I thought SoJ was mostly a straight upgrade. The one exception is the prosecutor, Blackwell was superior (though he has a big role in SoJ's filler case and he's amazing).

>>385861357
In terms of story and how everything adds up at the end, it blows every mainline game except T&T the fuck out, anon.

>>385861553
Blackquill is stupidly great but I really liked Nahyuta too. I hope to see more shenanigans from both of them in AA7.

Can we all take a moment to acknowledge how crazy it is that after everyone though the series was dead forever it for 4 new games and a Layton spin off?

>>385858270
because they ruin the old good things?
nice reddit spacing btw

>>385861254
It's not real box art. The game was only released digitally in English.

>>385855263
Better than DD

>>385855691
DD has no investigations. You just press A wherever the pointer turns red and then just press A to continue the text. They went several steps back from AJ and the GBA games
Evidence also gets cleared out very often.

>>385861357
>In terms of story it gets blown the fuck out.
What are you talking about? DD had a shit story. SoJ is somewhat better

>>385861563
>In terms of story and how everything adds up at the end, it blows every mainline game except T&T the fuck out, anon.
Ok, this is just stupid. The story is better than DD, sure but still behind the other games

It's a mixed bag but ultimately a step up from DD and worth playing if you enjoy the series as a whole

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>Intelligent
>Religious
>Knows how to defend himself
>Shows mercy to his foes
>Will take you around the world to please you
>Protects his sister at all costs
>Bullies putrid red peppers and egg yolks
How can one man be so perfect?

>>385861563
>In terms of story and how everything adds up at the end
AA1 does that better, partly by virtue of being the first game in the series but every single case in that game built up to the ending. It was designed as a standalone game and you can tell, whereas every other game feels (to varying degrees) like sequel bait.

I'd argue that AA5 handled and balanced it's story out better than AA6 too (despite personally enjoying AA6 more overall) by virtue of not resorting to throwing almost the entire game's cast under the bus just to try to make one character seem cool at the end. Too many of the crime methods in AA6 went beyond being obtuse and just outright made no sense too, and that's the core of these games even.

I know everyone likes to compare it to DD, but how does it compare to the other games like AJ and DGS?

>On the last case
>long as fuck and its not very interesting

I can already guess, the queen is the mastermind evil bitch

I liked the cases, character development and mechanics than other AA games. It's my favourite.

>>385863058
That's not the real twist, nigga.

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>>385859487
> I hate the spirit medium shit though so I'm a bit biased.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who's played 5 or the AAI games could even say this, it's a complaint that only makes sense on paper. The crimes have actually gotten more nonsensical after the Feys retired from the series, somehow.

As far as Takumi is concerned, evidently he never went supernatural enough as opposed to what people here keep saying, considering what his actual best game is.

>>385862789
>by virtue of not resorting to throwing almost the entire game's cast under the bus just to try to make one character seem cool at the end
What do you mean by this?

>>385863251
I just think it's played out. It takes the focus away from the courtroom. I found Rayfa's whole smug tsundere thing to be more annoying than endearing and I'm not a big fan of Maya either, she seems to slow the game's pace to a tedious crawl every time she appears.

>>385863286
Aside from Datz pretty much every character, old and new, turned into a complete retard in order to justify Apollo saving the day. Don't even have a problem with Apollo getting the limelight but they handled it horrifically.

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>>385863058
Hehe. Not even close.

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>>385863556
>she seems to slow the game's pace to a tedious crawl every time she appears.
Only felt this was the case in AA2 & AA6 personally. Though she's at her best in that one game no one really likes, go figure.

>>385863763
I loved PlvAA, although granted, it's completely dominated by Layton. He's just too competent for the Ace Attorney world. I like how they essentially had to remove him from the game for a while just so Nick could have a chance.

>>385863763
PL vs AA is the peak for both series. They just nailed absolutely everything.

What do you guys think the next game plot will be about? do you see apollo making a return?

>>385855263
Its really good.

>>385863590
What do you mean? Everybody was more or less the same in 6-5 unless you're talking about Nick losing the Civil case which is actually perfectly understandable.

>>385864178
>He's just too competent for the Ace Attorney world
Now I'm just wondering how Layton would do in a actual AA game then a crossover.

He'd be too OP.

>>385863590
Only major one is Maya almost getting Phoenix & Apollo killed really. I think everyone has accepted that the new team had no idea what to do with her or how to write her in general though.

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>>385864229
>there are actually people that think that the reason Apollo moved to Khura'in at the end wasn't so Seances, Rayfa and Nahyuta could keep appearing

>>385863058
Thats not a twist, thats pretty explicit from the start.

>>385864452
Edgeworth or Manfred might put up a good fight, but Layton would steamroll just about any other lawyer.

>>385864190
I wouldn't go that far, but it really hit it out of the park. The character design, witnesses, group cross examinations, the humor, the music, everything was top notch.

The only strike I'll give it is for having Maya "die." I'm willing to forgive every other plot aspect, but that had me rolling my eyes. There's no way in hell they'd kill off a major character in a spinoff of all places, so watching them mope about her death was annoying.

I actually enjoyed DD a lot, but I thought SJ was better.

>>385863763
The lows of that game outweighs the highs, but it still has highs. Beats out AJ in terms of atmosphere and music which are the only two things everyone agrees on being great about AJ.

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It's average.
Nothing awful, nothing great.
I disliked the story, Nahyuta, the villain, and the final case was lame as fuck.

Still better than DD, but just barely. Only because cases 2 and 3.

>>385864590
>spoiler
I didn't mind that because it was interesting to see how Phoenix would handle it. Him snapping at Barnham over it was great.

It beats DD on almost every regard, the shitty prosecutor is really the worst thing in it. When I started playing DD I expected to end up hating Blackquill, but in the end he was actually great - SoJ prosecutor however stays shit for the entire game, repeating those same annoying phrases and generally being a boring opponent.

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Everything DD might've done subpar I forgive.

The story tugged at every single one of my heartstrings and the OST accompanied that feeling 100%, SoJ somehow managed to downgrade its OST somewhat. Not dissing on SoJ, its amazing as well, DD is still higher for me that's all.

Having unpopular opinions is suffering. People can't ever accept them when they could while not actually agreeing with them. This is mine though.

>>385864229
I'd like to be AJ2 but about 70% of that desire is because I want Horiyama to be lead composer again.

I think Apollo is inevitable either way because AA6 likely gave him some new fans and they still haven't told him and Trucy yet.

>>385864229
I just want Gumshoe to return, preferably as chief of police because the banter with Edgeworth would be insane.

>>385865646
My only complaint with SoJ's OST is that they totally butchered Athena's theme.

>>385865545
Nahyuta was a cunt but at least he had his reasons. Him saying "a dragon never yields" was pretty much the highlight of the game for me. I still like Blackquill more but I could stare at that floating sash for hours.

>>385866015
>butcher Athena's theme
>make Nick and Apollo themes 10/10
I'll take it.

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we can all agree blackquil is best prosecutor, right?

>>385867052
Best non-chief prosecutor

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>>385867052
Yes.

>>385867052
Well he has an air katana and a trained hawk of course he is

>>385866015
My complaints with the OST are the lack of cutscene tracks and that a few of the tracks on the soundtrack were noticeably weaker than they were ingame, Phoenix's objection theme and the magic show theme.

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>>385867052
I still like the OG more

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWNAx-lvdZI starts playing

>>385867052
He's pretty good.

>>385866961
Objection was only a 10/10 song in 2001. I don't hate 2004 but it's definitely not better.

>>385867052
His banter is top notch, wish he was a main stay defense attorney

>>385867052
Godot.

>>385867052
he's a weeb, so he can relate a lot more to /v/, so yes in a way he's the best

>>385855263
I recently just started it and the first case in my opinion is terrible. I didn't like the premise, the insight and seánce shit feel utterly pointless, and worst of all, I didn't like the setting one bit. I was quite happy when I realized the second case was back in Japanese Los Angeles.
I'm assuning all cases with Wright take place in Kurain, right?
Does the game get better or is it just this same shit every case? I really don't like Kurain. Only thing I'm looking forward is to seeing Maya again.

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>>385868269
at least Blackquil got out of prison

>>385867487
Objection 2011 is p great. Great bassline and when the saxophone kicks in, goddamn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ps26fObyc

>>385867451
>that same theme plays for the 60th time in a case because god forbid we use something else during a trial

>>385868297
>I really don't like Kurain
You are going to have a very bad time.

>>385868269
Godot was cool but I think Blackquil's banter makes him win out.

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>>385863058
>he doesnt know
you're in for an assblast of a life time

>>385868423
fuck you, I liked it

>when the best case is the filler case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkhlc4-EH18

>>385868642
I LIKED it but just like dual destinies they overused it to the point that i can't stand it anymore

>>385868269
>loses every case as a prosecutor
>prosecutes someone he knows is innocent to spite someone he blames for things beyond his control
>betrays all his principles out of dispaced aggression
>ultimately kills the mother of his dead girlfriend because of a selfish and irrational desire not to let anyone else know what was about to happen

He's the worst.

>>385868423
You're thinking of the logic theme

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>>385868842
Is it gay if it's a female personality in a male body?

>>385868975
Every Godot hater:
>what are character flaws?

>>385868451
I feared someone might say that.
Let me guess, all cases but the second one take place in Kurain?
It's a shame, I really loved all games, even DD, but the setting alone is making me want to drop this game.

>>385869119
>>385868642
i just looked the actual logic theme up and now i'm really annoyed

>>385869538
There's a filler case that has literally nothing to do with Khurain that contains one of the best witnesses in the series, but 80% of the game is centered around fixing Khurain.

>>385869304
no thats just feminism

>>385868842
desu it felt rushed towards the last third of it

>>385867052
Klavier.

>>385869517
His character flaws overwhelm everything else about him, though. I honestly don't understand why a running gag about coffee and a jazzy theme let his fans excuse so many negatives.

>>385869304
of course not silly anon

it's totally straight

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>>385867052
>tfw I wish Mei Karma would whip me

>>385869795
Godot haters:
>what is the point of character flaws?

>>385869795
To be fair, it's a damn good theme.

>>385861670
>I really liked Nahyuta
>I hope to see more
>Nahyuta
>shenanigans
Holy shit how can you have such a bad taste.

>>385855263
It's better than AJ DD or JFA

>>385862898
It's much better than AJ.

AJ is the worst game in the series and its not funny

>>385855263
3>6>1>AAI2>4>2>PlvsAA>5>AAI1

>>385864190
>Shitty puzzles
>Layton hogs the AA sections
>IT WAS ALL FAKE LMAO

Absolutely terrible by Ace Attorney standards. It only has the music going for it.

>>385863251
I didn't like the spirit medium shit in the vanilla games because that was the medium that allowed Mia to communicate with Phoenix, who honestly knew too much for my liking.

Say what you want about the new game but the Trio feels much more balance throwing ideas with each other in court than simply Mia swooping from the heavens, already knowing the answer to everything, to give you the tip that will overthrow the entire case upside down.

Phoenix does tend to be ahead of Apollo and Athena when he is the helper, but he is never ahead enough that he already has the answer and its just waiting for you to make the connection

>>385856273
None of the cases had 3-day long trials. That's probably why.

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>>385868269

>>385870812
Yet the last case still dragged on for years.

>>385867052
Man, when the DD previews rolled out i was sure i was going to hate Blackquill, but how wrong i was.

He is very closely tied with Miles as the best rival in the series

>>385871019
I'm still sad that such a great prosecutor was used for such subpar cases. If AA7 gets a DLC case, I hope it's against him.

>>385856273
It takes about 40 hours to beat.

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>>385867052
Edgeworth> Blackquill> Nahyuta> Barnham> Godot> Winston> Manfred> Darklaw> Gaspen> Franziska> Ga'ran> Klavier
You cannot dispute this.

>>385871286
>he "beats" Ace Attorney "games"
lmao try playing something with actual gameplay like Danganronpa, fag.

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>>385871443
>Nahyuta
>Above anyone

DEFENSE.............

*shakes head*

DEFENSE.............

*plays with butterfly*

That................

*spouts philosophical drivel*

is........

*khurainese gibberish*

wrong.

>>385868269
Godot is more cool on a presentation base than he is an engaging prosecutor.

Godot is ridiculously cool looking. His design, his ost, the coffee. Easily the coolest looking dude in the entire series. But 90% of the time his entire banter is "Wheres the Evidence, Trite". I mean its cool to have someone who just roadblocks asking the obvious shit, but he is as engaging as the other prosecutors

>>385871142
I thought 6-4 was surprisingly good.

Mostly thanks to the main witness and Blackquill but it is what it is

>>385871443
Holy shit taste Batman, let's fix this.

Miles = Godot = Blackquill > Barnham > Manfred > Winston > Gaspen >>>>> Darklaw > Ga'ran > Franziska >>>> Klavier

Female prosecutors are always a joke and Klavier is a fag.

>>385871570
To be fair, asking for evidence cockblocks Wright more than anything because most of the time he literally bluffs without evidence.

>>385871636
6-4 was good. Just way too short and Blackquill's only other good case is Reclaimed.

>>385871697
Good to see that at least nobody disputes Klavier being the worst.

>>385871771
You're absolutely right. Like i said its kinda cool and it even makes sense to have a player who always calls his bluff.

I just don't think its nearly as engaging as the banter from the other prosecutors

>>385871908
In my opinion, Klavier is underrated. He's surprisingly not shit and a cool dude when he's not prosecuting.

>>385870772
> Game is TITLED Phoenix Wright VERSUS Professor Layton
The only part where the two face is at the VERY END after Layton has already figured everything out and he's only doing so pulling an Edgeworth act

This game was a crime to both series.

>>385871286
If you keep the dialogue speed on the default, maybe.

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>>385871968
>tfw no prequel game where you play as Diego with a Mia assistant.

>>385872243
I hope instead of an objection you yell "WHERES THE FUCKING EVIDENCE YOU PIECE OF SHIT" while you sip coffee

>>385871908
Do people rate Klavier low because they actually hate him, or just because he's not a memorable rival?

>>385872169
>being such a brainlet that you actually fast forward the dialogue
Holy kek

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>>385872413
>Game is literally easy mode because you're throwing coffee at the prosecution constantly
>Get to fuck Mia after every case

>>385872413
>Godot's entire defense strategy is just asking the prosecutor where's his evidence.
I'd play it. If only to be on other side of doing that constantly for once.

>>385872445
What if they hate him because he's not a memorable rival and he cucks Apollo (and by extension, the player) out of most meaningful discoveries in the trials?

>>385872445
He completely fails as a rival. His character isnt bad I guess. If I remember AJ correctly half the time he solves the case for you.

>>385872445
Klavier is too helpful as a rival

When he is not in the bench he is fine, but whenever he is on the bench he figures out the entire mystery halfway through and then gently guides Herr Forehead through out the entire trial.
It makes the entire game feels like a 30 hour tutorial

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thats a great case you got there anon... it would be a shame if worst characters goes there to ruin it

>>385872760
it's funny because AAI2 has a character that's literally Lotta but better in every way.

>>385872502
Not even the same Anon but how does being able to read faster imply that you're stupid? If anything it's the complete opposite.

>>385872634
I feel like there's a difference between being a bad character and not being good in the role they were put in. That would fall in the latter.

>>385872760
>>385872831
Lotta's student is better than her because she is cute but i honestly don't really mind her

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>Nintendo puts a DMCA on AMR2
>people are outraged
>They later reveal that they did it because they were developing their own Metroid 2 remake

>Capcom C&D the DGS subbed play through
Could it be that they're actually doing it?

>>385872760
>>385872831
Truer words have never been spoken.

>>385872760
Your student is cuter.

>>385872940
Probably not, seeing as they let the videos be put back up.

Why does apollo justice feel so incredibly different from the trilogy ?
Just finished the trilogy and currently playing it and I can't get comfortable with it

>>385873183
I wonder why they haven't done it yet.

>>385873224
Because every single character from the original series is gone except a handful.

You could say AJ took place in an entirely different location and it'd be believable.

>>385872760
But you were in the second best case in the franchise and didn't ruin it.
Keep at it, Lotta.

>>385855263
Best game in awhile, which is impressive since the last 2 had some serious issues. Easily as entertaining as original trilogy, though not nearly as hard. Definitely worth the dollary doos.

>>385855263
Top 3 in the series easy

>>385863058
I guess you could say the hype was already dead from the beginning then.

>>385873328
Don't know where it came from but lately I've been seeing it's because of legal things with Holmes.

>>385873415
True.. but I feel it's a bit more dumbed down from investigation to solving the case in trial.
It doesn't have the same depth anymore it's gotten pretty shallow in my opinion.

Also -well guess I'm a nostalgia faggit- I don't like the new graphics atleast on iOS. It looks too smooth

>AJ
>Apollo literally has no backstory, no investment in the plot, no reason to be there except the lmao sibling shit.

>DD
>Apollo suddenly has a best friend that he never talked about that's killed off to shoehorn in character drama.

>AJ
>Apollo suddenly has an entire fucking FOSTER family in a foreign country that he never talked about.
>Sibling shit STILL not resolved

What a terrible mess of a character.

>>385872760
I WANNA ____ LOTTA

>>385873224
It was originally a new setting to advertise the coming Japanese court reform introducing the jury system and it just happened to be tied to PW universe. Takami was then asked to work in Phoenix, and that's basically why he's a completely different character with virtually none of original cast back. If I remember correctly Zak was suppose to be the original villain but once Phoenix was added they re-wrote it to be Kristoph which is why pretty much everything involving Zak is so incredibly non-nonsensical.

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>Post-time skip Phoenix
>Athena
>Mia
>Diego
>Asougi
Why are the DAs so fucking hot?

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how come all the old men in this series are so fucking SWOLE?

>>385874149
I think Wright said he would tell Apollo the truth at some point in SoJ but it never happens.

Original trilogy>I2>AJ>SoJ>DD>AAvsPL>I1

>>385874149
yeah the sudden adding of plots really bothered me, you can tell the devs were trying to shoe horn this shit

>>385867052
this desu

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>that one fucking theory the lawyer was going for but you had no idea what the fuck was happening

what was it anons?

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>>385855263
I found it a whole lot better than DD. Everything but the DLC case was good.
But then again, I enjoyed the DLC case for being some silly shit with the old cast.
I'd put it in my personal top 5

Is it just me or is SoJ's art kinda shit? I don't know what it is, but DD's artwork (which was done by the same artist) looks a lot better.
Also
Iwamoto > Nuri >>> Fuse

>>385855263
OK, its time
AA 3 > 6 > 1 > 4 >>>>>> 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2

>>385875327
All of 4-3. I had no idea what the hell why people were arguing about the whole way through even though they are all obviously wrong.

>>385875097
You have to have a really weird taste to prefer AJ over any game in the series

>>385875849
No, you just have to not blindly follow meme opinions.

>>385875938
AJ is the only bad game in the whole series. The only good case is the second one.

>>385875996
you mean the first one

>>385875938
This no meme.
I actually got into Ace Attorney like a week before the full release of Investigations 2 so i was playing the series essentially back-to-back.

This is no nostalgia.
AJ is bad. It has great presentation and music, but its easily the worst combination of cases in the entire series.

>>385875996
At least it doesn't read like fanfiction like most games that came after it.

>>385876228
What AJ did you play?

>>385876228
Uh dude I think you got the wrong franchise, the megaman thread is two blocks down.

>>385855263
It's like they took things people liked from the first 3 games and tried to do them but with Apollo and the prosecutor, but worse.

SoJ>=ToT>PWAA>=JFA>DD>AJ

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>>385874546
Younger Mia > Older Mia

>>385864190
Dumbest fucking story game I've played in ages.
>hurr we're bakers!

>>385876897
Older Mia looks like a fucking horse.

>>385876957
>he can't appreciate the incredibly well thought out and foreshadowed plot so he goes for criticizing the cheap comedy relief
Fuck off

One thing that stuck out to me as being weird was apollo's dad dying and him not being as emotional about it. Not expecting a breakdown or anything, but just gimme something besides anime hero mode. Even after everything is said and done, it kind of felt like it didn't phase him.

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IN JUSTICE WE TRUST

>>385877559
>turns out it was all machines and brainwashing! Whooooa!

It's like stories where the character wakes up and it was all a bad dream.

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>>385877421
>best girl is back in DGS2

Ghost Trick > AAI2 > T&T > AA > SoJ > DD > JFA > AAI1 > AJ

>>385877605
Which dad?

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>>385877776

>>385878019
I'm talking about Dhurke

>>385877776
>still no localization
WHY
H
Y

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>>385878438
>This design

>>385878438
Nice hat.

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>>385878438
>First blonde haired + blue eyed aryan goddess
>She's in a NEVER EVER game

IT'S NOT FAIR

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https://twitter.com/aceattorneygame/with_replies?lang=en
>every fucking reply to every fucking tweet is about DGS
>Capcom still ignores it
What even is the point of having a Twitter if all you do is ignore the fans?

How's Maya in SoJ?

Do she and Nick finally fugg?

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>>385876897
Pearl channeling Mia > Maya channeling Mia > Younger Mia > Older Mia

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>>385879076
Capcom is a mystery.

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>>385879847
No.

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>>385879926
Wrong but you're entitled to your opinion.

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>>385879926
channelin mia deserves more sprites

>>385875327
>He spelled Maggey's name wrong with a broken neck
>After dying on impact

>>385855263

Holy trinity of AA is SoJ, T&T and AAI2

It's a good Fucking game any nitpicking pieces of shits say otherwise can fuck off

Magical Turnabout was too good for this game

It felt like it should've been the true finale for AJ

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No matter how many AA games come out, Maya and Pearl will still be the cutest girls.

>>385879847

Maya in SoJ is what Wright should've been in AJ

She has her moments and focus but doesn't steal the entire Fucking game

>>385876132
Some of the worst villians too. Ol' Skunkhead does almost nothing for most of case 3 until the very end of the last day of investigation when he blocks an interview and goes "grrr I never liked you meddling kids" and Apollo thinks something similar to himself. And nevermind Kristoph's stupid insane bullshit

Will we ever see Detective Badd again? Or Kay?

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Are we ever going to see Godot again?

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>>385881145

Let's take the time to appreciate the one thing DD did right

The REAL plot twist in Monstrous Turnabout and how it was presented

>Apollo and the player slowly figure it out together at the same time rather than being two steps ahead

>Once it's revealed Apollo tears down Blackquil's entire argument one by one Objection after Objection and absolutely wrecking shit

>The audience and character react absolutely perfectly, compared to SoJ's "Yeah, you found the plot twist so what bitch" attitude

>>385881463
No.
>>385881454
No. No.

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>>385880810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7Rfl4rpHo
It sure was a great idea for SoJ to blow its load with the best villain and theme in the second case.

Was anybody else too retarded to realize Mr. Reus = mysterious until much later?

Despite what trailers show you with Wright in Khurain, and Maya's return

The game ends up focusing on Apollo somehow

>>385881868
Yeah and it was a great unexpected twist and quite easily made the game.
Also
>watching trailers for games you know you're gonna play

Thank god they fixed Bitch Emma in this game

>>385881838
>>385880810

>trying to put the pieces together

>The Reus in the picture doesn't have the arm scar, that must be Retinz faking it

>No, that actually was Reus

>Except it wasn't actually Real Reus

>>>>Retinz was Reus

>tfw they pulled the Double Twist twice in the same Fucking case

>>385882094
I liked Bipolar Emma more.

>>385882134
You worked yourself into a shoot.

>>385882134
>Thought twins was too obvious
>Maybe Bonny's bipolar
>mfw it's fucking twins

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>>385881868

>implying that wasn't the best part

>Okay, this boogaloo is going on long enough I know exactly how this final case is going to go, finish this entire California segment with Apollo and then we'll switch to Wright in Khurain, easy

>>>>> It doesn't, your Apollo the entire fucking case, and it's a real fucking long one

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>Asspull more Apollo backstory for the second game in a row except it's even more retarded and out of nowhere than last game
>Made the game

>>385882371
Actually, you investigate as Wright for a little bit. But yeah, it felt like we were playing the final case AJ never got. I also like how Dhurke got more than 30 minutes of screentime so you start to like the character right before the massive gut punch was revealed.

>>385881838
...

OHHHHHHH. Oh. Wow. I'm dumb.

I was expecting Robin to either be a cross-dresser or a transexual. That actually caught me off guard.

>>385881868
Unlike AJ which is meant to be about Apollo but it ended up focusing on Wright.

>>385882551
>I also like how Dhurke got more than 30 minutes of screentime so you start to like the character right before the massive gut punch was revealed.
The dude was throwing up death flags left and right, so I was certain he wasn't going to survive the game, but I didn't expect in my wildest guesses that he was already dead.

>>385882524
I mean it's an asspull and should've been foreshadowed more in an earlier game but the story itself was still great.

>>385879926
>dat tit covering pose of channeling Pearls
unf

>>385882524

Stop pretending Wright having a girlfriend and everything about Ray wasn't asspull backstories too fucko

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>>385881868
>Tfw you hate playing as Nick because AJ and on butchered his character while DD/SoJ give him no reason to be in the plot when it's not about him.

>Tfw you hate Apollo because he's a 1-dimensional cuck with none of Nick's charm and the most retarded backstory out of any protagonist in AA.

>>385882961
Yeah, but there's a big difference between having a bitch girlfriend and being the adoptive son of a revolutionary terrorist from Not!Nepal.

>>385882961
>A backstory that fleshes out an existing relationship with Nick's mentor + believable because he wouldn't have any reason to talk about his ex girlfriend.

>Miles being in an entirely different location than Ray + his troubled backstory making bringing him up uncomfortable + Ray actively giving Miles shit for never talking to him.

>Anywhere NEAR Apollo's backstory.

Fuck off.

Reminder that Maya's breasts expand when she turns into Mia

>>385883428
Reminder she grew a dick when she channeled Tahrust

>>385883583
Does that mean she lost an eye when she channeled Dhurke?

This is all speculation but I noticed something today.
Remember how it's usually said that Capcom didn't publish DGS on the west because they don't want to get sued by the Sherlock Holmes Society in America? Well I was browsing the list of 3DS games today and there's a shovelware SH game that was published in Japan and Europe but was never released in America, which kinda makes the theory more believable.

>>385883974
And grew a second dick.

>>385884029
I've heard that Sherlock Holmes himself is public domain in the US but that some of his books are not. Maybe that's the real reason?

>>385856643
>the backtracking (just touch everywhere bro)
Isn't this every game? Got to every screen until event flags trigger? I think the games would be better if you didn't play detective and it was all about lawyering.

>>385884372
I dont want them to remove investigating but I think those segments could drag on too long on the older games especially because they had more 3 day trials.

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>Beat SoJ
>Have now beat every AA game
>Nothing to play in bed while falling asleep anymore
>Dai Gyakuten Saiban never

I started Castlevania but it just isn't as good as a bed game.

>>385884584
Try Danganronpa or Zero Escape.

>>385882553
>His name is a pun on mysterious

I thought the pun was supposed to be "Mr. Ruse"

>>385869538
It's actually not that bad. The second and fourth cases, and half of the fifth, are in Rosu Anjeresu. The DLC case is pretty good, too and not just because it's the only proper Phoenix and Maya case

>>385882524
>>385882961
>Ray fucking back stabbing Lang in the dressing room

that was a little out of character

>>385884584
fire emblems are a good bed game

>>385884584
Time to start learning Japanese.

>>385884940
I had a hard time figuring out the pun because I read "Reus" as "Rois", as in Marco Reus the footballer.

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How did they get away with this?

>>385887341
Redpill me on Attorney Online.

>>385887586
It was fun before it got banished to /vg/.

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>>385887586
Improv roleplay

>>385887586
chaos

>>385887586
Everybody is an asshole who can't improv; namefags are always the local gossip; the mods are garbage; the QA is garbage; everything is garbage but I can't leave.

>>385887667
>>385887774
>>385887808
>>385888029
Sounds like my kinda place. How harsh are they on newfags?

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>>385888029
First is right, second is sometimes right, third is wrong, fourth is wrong, fifth is wrong.

>>385888096
They're friendly to newfags as long as you're not a cunt. You'll meet good and bad people just like any community though. Your enjoyment will depend on your tolerance of meme cases and serious cases.

>>385883296
You just gave me some perspective on how insane Apollo's backstory actually is. It's kind of a tribute to SoJ that it doesn't seem so bad when you're playing it.

In a weird way, it works really well, since having such an insane backstory is sort of an "explanation" for why nobody knows anything much about Apollo. He'd constantly be changing the subject.

>>385888271
Isn't that kind of a cop out explanation, though?

>>385888193
So how the fuck do Attorney Online cases work?

>>385880810
I agree, and it's a shame because nowadays it is too forgotten among other cases for being the second one. The case is legit better than all the others except the last one. One of the few cases where they actually managed to create a real mystery behind it. Even the ending is a masterpiece on its ambiguity about who actually won. Reus is a perfect villain. Asshole, charismatic, chessmaster, bad, and yet you can almost see his side on the story. It sure helped that the Gramaryes were never good to begin with, but the AA team took advantage of this perfectly. Having a perfect theme song was the icing.

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>>385888767
People make a case doc in google docs, fill in roles like defense attorney, prosecutor, judge, detective, and witnesses. They make evidence and a case summary, then the case starts.

>>385855584
investigations are still fucked since it is basically linear, you don't have concurrent investigations in different places anymore, and you even unlock those Psyche-Locks as soon as you see them

>>385881616
To be fair, the whole scene where Apollo is presenting his argument about the switched coffin sides in Magical Turnabout is pretty great, especially how they did Nahyuta's breakdown here, not so much in the other cases he prosecutes.

>>385889294
I thought that part where he seriously reconsiders his life choices in 6-3 was pretty great, too.

>>385889831
I don't remember much about 6-3's trials. Was that part at the end of the second trial, or somewhere else in the case?

>>385889912
It's at the end when Tahrust reveals his plan and Nahyuta starts freaking out.

>>385879847
Good in some ways. Bad in others. Some of her old animations look really stupid in 3D. She's also a little too like her old self, although they tried to develop her in some ways, which I appreciated. I'm glad she didn't intrude on the overall plot that much, but it was disappointing that two of the cases involve her in a victim role.

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>>385879847

Pretty awful for the most part.

She does little more then get arrested, kidnapped and channel characters more important then her. (And no, that wasn't all she did in the original trilogy, smartasses.) Also she keeps important pieces of information from Phoenix and Apollo, even when their LIVES WERE ON THE LINE, over a stupid pinky swear.

And I thought the fans had a low opinion of her...

If not for the DLC she would had been a completely useless load the whole game.

>>385888029
I left in January of this year. How bad has it gotten? I know Lewdton left and now there's an attention whoring girl that doesn't know anything as the server owner now.

>>385891925
I would make both of them mothers and have spirit channeling daughters

>>385891925
The DLC was the worst Maya in the game to be honest.

>>385894124
This, she ruined an evidence but was saved by an asspull. No matter how clumsy she was in the past she never did something like that

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I am playing the Investigation games for the first time, ask me anything

>>385868269
>>385869517
>muh pretentious coffee spic
Godot is overrated trash, even Miles "late autopsy" Edgeworth and daddy issues Castlevania are better prosecutors

>>385872760
I will take Lotta over Oldbag or Butz every day

>>385894727
What is your opinion of the international practice of "extraterritorial rights" where certain individuals are granted immunity from local laws for diplomatic reasons?

>>385894727
You should get out of this thread before you get spoiled.

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>>385880513
>just finished beating Karma senior after much struggle and soft resetting
>feel all smug and think the tutorial case will be easy as fuck
>get stuck on the very first cross examination because you didn't realized how the name was spelled
>the entire time you think it has something to do with the broken neck thing
>mfw
Fucking hell

>>385894727
Don't forget to spot Phoenix, Maya and Pearls

>>385875327
Any case that drags for too long
>three fucking pages of evidence
>twists over twists over twists
>the original scenario you made up in your mind is far gone
>can't even remember the time the victim died anymore
>wake me up inside

>>385875327
Soba and Udon pulled the rug for me

>>385881145
Pearl might be my favorite child character in a video game
>earns her cuteness
>does not steal the spotlight
>behaves like an actual child instead of uguu kawai desu nee~
Maya is also pretty great, just reading the random shit she talked about and the occasional bants made investigation chapters much more fun, I missed her in rise from the ashes

>>385855263

I'm currently in case 3 so far, and I'm loving it so far

Magical Turnabout was fun as fuck and the first case was actually pretty atmospheric in introducing Khurain, easily the best case 1 outside AAI2 and AJ for no obvious villain

I didn't expect Fucking Rayfa to be your fucking assistant, that was actually pretty fucking cool

I'm up to the first court and the water mirror after we decided Maya and Abbot were facing opposite sides

Looking forward to the rest of the game

>>385895059
As long as said individuals don't abuse their privilege its alright, different places have different ways to tick
>>385895092
I am already halfway there, I am not that worried
>>385895274
I am trying, I had mixed feelings towards the third person view at first but it was fun just for the occasional cameos, it reminded me the main reason why I hated Turnabout Samurai

>>385894727
Opinions on Kay

>>385894727
second game will be better

>>385873789
Delete this

>>385885973
Like honestly this would probably be quicker than waiting for the fan translation

>>385895751
Too bad she's been relegated to DLC only status, basically. I'm not that big a fan of her but I'm disappointed that the devs dropped the whole father-daughter thing those two had going on. It's not like we see much of that with Trucy either.

>>385880674
Genuinely not enjoying half the game isn't nitpicking you fuck.

>>385888271
>It's kind of a tribute to SoJ that it doesn't seem so bad when you're playing it.
No it's not, because to plenty of people it did seem bad, and it is bad.

>>385882901
>"By adoptive dad was a shallow Mary Sue with a shitty catchphrase"
>great

>>385902165

>not enjoying

Give a decent reason that isnt nitpicking than fagiolli

No, you can't say Apollo and Athena

>There are people who don't appreciate Case 4 because they are jaded Nostalgia fags who allow Turnabout Beginnings

>There are people who pretend Maya was ever more than the most basic person in existence with literally nothing interesting other than MUH FAMILY despite SoJ actually making her useful and mature while also keeping her kiddish nature

Honestly can't find a decent thing in SoJ that can be considered a flaw without sounding like a nitpicking Nostalgia fag

>B-b-b-but the asspulls

WOW, a character suddenly has backstory, it's not like Wright or Edgeworth never did this shit before

>>385882524
>asspull more Edgeworth backstory for the second game in a row except it's even more retarded and out of nowhere than the last game
>that fucking reveal when the entire backstory is faked by the true mastermind, Ray motherfucking Shields.

Why is AAI2 so perfect, holy shit.

>>385905273
>Honestly can't find a decent thing in SoJ that can be considered a flaw without sounding like a nitpicking Nostalgia fag
I know, you've been samefagging like a rabid raccoon with hot peppers up his ass.
Drop the reddit spacing and stop repeating the same thing over and over again. And in the remote case you're not samefagging then read the fucking thread and realize that what you've said has been told ninety times already, almost word for word.

But to answer your question:
>There are people who don't appreciate Case 4
Case 4 is occasionally amusing, but it basically plays itself with Blackquill holding your hand, elbow, shoulder, a good percentage of your chest and the parts of your brain that controls motor functions and free will.
This coming right after the ENTIRE GAME dedicated to making a true lawyer out of Athena and helping her overcome her weaknesses.

>Honestly can't find a decent thing in SoJ that can be considered a flaw without sounding like a nitpicking Nostalgia fag
>WOW, a character suddenly has backstory, it's not like Wright or Edgeworth never did this shit before
If you can't see the problem then you're just mentally handicapped. If you seriously believe that Apollo's backstory, especially after TWO GAMES that already tackled with stuff from his past, isn't a gigantic asspull, then you should seriously either read more or stop pretending that your opinion on storytelling matters at all to anybody. Except maybe preschoolers and fanfic writers.

>>385905858
>when they foreshadowed him eating the key evidence against him all the way in the past case with Greg
sasuga, Capcom

AA3> AAI2> AA6 >AA1 > AA5 > AJ > AA2 > AAI

>>385861357
This. DD trumps SoJ on story.

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>mfw there exists people who say The Phantom should've had his face/identity revealed

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>>385906560

First case was great, made good impressions of just how fucked Khurain is, and witness was absolutely entertaining. High stakes with FUCKINGN Gaspen suggesting death penalty right off the fucking bat

Case 2 was absolutely fun and a wild ride that never stops. Enjoying setting and characters with what is possibly considered the best character theme in the series with Reus

Case 3 is more in depth in Khurain and depending on your opinion on Maya is up or down. It's the mandatory filler case that takes too long but I found pretty interesting. Having Rayfa worked surprisingly well and I thought Maya's performance overall was great. Plot twist was neat too.

Case 4 is Fucking hilarious, I can't find any reason anybody would hate it unless they want to pretend Ace Attorney has never been goofy before. Or if you hate Athena that much but that's a personal problem

Case 5 is very split but I absolutely enjoyed it mainly because I like Apollo as a character.
Apollo vs Wright is absolutely Kino whether you like it or not
Opinions on backstory is subjective

DLC was good, not amazing like Reclaimed but not as horrendously dragged out like Rise form the ashes

Overall great fucking game with forgivable flaws

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>>385905273
>This is the average SoJ fan

Sad.

>>385907536
Case 3 wasn't a filler case, it directly linked to the overarching plot of the game.

>>385907576

>I'll namecall him instead of proving him wrong

>This is the average shitposter

>>385874149
At least having a best friend is more believeable than being from Chingchongistan and having an entire foster family which includes royalty and a guy with a boner for dragons.

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>>385908579
>Proving him wrong when he has no point to begin with

S a d.

>>385881616
I was so mad that Kyubi being Amazing Nine-Tails was presented as a big twist, that I really didn't see it actually being Tenma coming at all.

>>385881616
That's literally the only good thing about that case unfortunately.

Athena could have been like an alive and playable Mia but there's only been 1 case so far where she has any active role. In every other case, she's either a mostly ineffective assistant or guided so much by Blackquill that it doesn't feel like she's leading the defense at all. Might as well drop her in the next game if they're not gonna do anything substantial with her.

>>385881616
Yeah, I was mad as fuck when the opening vid of that case spoiled the killer (I mean come on, it's not AA 1 anymore, we don't need that kind of reveal to get us invested, the opposite actually) but this whole twist saved that case, especially paired with Apollo's savagery

I honestly liked every case, and that puts it in the top for me.

I hated DD's first and second case and all the others were just okay. Reclaimed was pretty fucking good though.

So far T&t, SOJ and AAI2 are the best ones.

I actually dont like channeling shit that much but SOJ did it in a way that i didnt actually mind the mechanic.

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>>385908590
>tfw Love Junkie is still the one and only AA doujin worth reading
If only more people gave it a chance.