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>just git gud lmao

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>just git gud lmao
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>>385849139
>bullshit hitboxes
something you should have learned to deal with if you've played the previous game.
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>>385849139
>Shitty hitboxes
>In a Souls game
Unbelievable.
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>>385849139
This shit is piss easy I platinumed it in 2 days
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>>385849139
Jist wait until you get to the ancient dragon lol
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>>385849139
>Dodging too soon
>probs 10 agi
>no iframes
just git gud lmao
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very original definitely-not-guts-guys-i-swear build
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>>385849139
>0 ADP
>blocking and rolling at the same time
>over 50% burden
Sort your build out before you even attempt to git gud
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>>385850135
Lowering your burden beyond 70% is detrimental in DS2 unless you're abusing Flynn's Ring like a casual faggot.
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Dark Souls 2 has the worst hitboxes of the three, but it's okay because the game is practically non-canon thanks to DS3
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>>385849264
>purpose of game is mostly combat and exploration
>game have seriously flawed system of collision
>"dude just get used to it"
It is a wonder that every other game would have been shitted all over for this degree of shit hitboxes yet there are people on /v/ that claim ds2 as best in the series
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>>385850520
the only people who claim DS2 is the best are the ones that started with 2 in the first place
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>>385849847
who hasn't platted all the soulsborne games at this point?
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>>385850520
>yet there are people on /v/ that claim ds2 as best in the series

Mouthy contrarians invested in propping up the game. Most people agree DS2 and just don't post about it anymore since the game came out quite some time ago now.
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>>385849139
>>385849891
At this moment after all these years I finally realized DKSII is SHIT. It is NOT normal to pray that a shockwave won't kill you even when you know the fight
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>>385849139
>tfw using heavenly thunder on these guys

i am a fucking GOD
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>>385849847
i plat'd DaS2 but these guys is where I gave up
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hey thats my webm
even 20adp can't save this shitty game
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>>385849139
I liked DaS2 better than 3. Kiss.
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I know people say das, bb, demons, and 3 have the same problem but I literally never experienced that shit in any of those games and replay them all the time.


This game however I experienced this non-stop, spent most my stats on adp and I still won't replay this
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>>385850135
>blocking and rolling at the same time

despite the fact that OP obviously needs to git gud, what do you guys think about blocking in dark souls?

I sometimes used it in the beginning in dark souls 1 but then just opted to always roll, in 2 and 3 I never even touched a shield because it wasn't necessary
blocking makes you lose stamina and you still stand right where the enemy can hit you repeatedly

how can blocking be made more useful?
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>>385849847
Oh yeah I platiunmed it in 10 hours
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>>385851253
just had this happen to me on my mage character for the first time like two days ago

fuck you b team
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>>385852268
I got out of the habit pretty quickly. A very small handful of top tier DeS PvP players stuck with the Blind and routinely fucked my face, so I dropped the habit and forced myself to learn how to roll and dead angle and backstab without being locked. Paid dividends.
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>>385852707
why is your mage character getting that close to an obvious mimic and not cheesing it from a nearby platform?
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>>385849139
The Pursuer is the biggest offended since you meet him all the time so you get to see how his blue sword strike is made of magnets.
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>>385849847
lmao I 100%'d every game in existence as soon as I exited the womb you fucking losers. That's why I can shitpost all day on /v/ because I've already played all games.
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>a souls game grab has bad hitboxes
In other news, water is wet.
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in the more than 1000 hours i have combined in darksouls 1, 2 and 3
i never had a single problem with a hitbox.
maybe, it just works on my machine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>385849139
>i-it's just Souls 2
>git gud

All those games are shit from beginning to end and the only reason kids here pretend to like them is that they make them feel hardcore due to the clever marketing.
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>>385853847
there are lots of blatantly shit hitboxes in 2, there are tons of webms showing them off.
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>>385854218
GIT GUUUD
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>>385854218
the wall bullshit is the worst thing about the game, but why would you continue standing next to it after you've already been hit through it? learning disability?
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>>385854218
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>>385854218
The first hit isn't even connecting and the player doesn't react to it yet it drains health?

What is this shit?
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>>385854354
what? enemies tracking you is bad now? the only time people complained about that in 2 is when enemies would track you mid swing.

if they didn't do that it would be way too easy to cheese every boss in the game.
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>>385854416
It did connect, and his character didn't react to the first hit because he has high poise armor. Play the game.
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*blocks your path*
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>>385854354
this game is old as fuck give it a rest

it's still one of the best games for its time
I can't think of a game with better world design and variety of gear
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>>385854587
So poise is luck/% based? I didn't know that.
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>>385854354
>Enemy tracks you when it's not even attacking
What the fuck do you want her to do, stare at the spot you were four seconds ago like a retard while you crawl up her backside?
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>>385854218
Fucking this, I even had shit hitboxes in Bloodborne, bloodstarved beast grabbed right besides me and I got teleported into the attack
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>>385854845
It's not, multiple hits in a row can break poise if it's low enough.
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>>385854845
Poise just makes you withstand a certain force without being staggered, and the force stacks with each hit. In that instance the player could take one hit from the enemy before staggering
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>>385854482
>>385854828
>>385854882
DS1 defence force, pls go.
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>>385849139
>Anon is so shit he can't git gud at the easiest Dark Souls game
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>>385854891
You can literally just watch random playthroughs on Youtube, pause the video sometimes and clearly see the hitboxes are trash.

Souls isn't "hard". It's shit. That's a difference.
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>>385855016
Can you explain to me why you think an enemy tracking you when they aren't in an attack animation is bad without memeing? I don't think you can.
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>>385855016
Post more meaningless webms anon, you're not shitposting nearly hard enough.
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>>385855052
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>>385855016
If this is bait it's pretty damn convincing
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>>385852268
>how can blocking be made more useful?
make doging have few or no iframes what so ever so you either get out of the way of attacks or use a sheild.
But using advanced tatics such as "backing away from sharp objects" is too complicated for the community.
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>>385854354
>DS1
>Tracks you when idling, when attacking enemies 'lock on' to the position you were when they started the attack

>DS2
>Enemies track you at every point in any attack animation, sometimes causing them to spin like a top like the fire salamanders

Really makes you think
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>>385855119
>>385855160
>stop picking on DS1 it is not fair
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Allow me to pose a question

If the hitboxes truly are as inexcusably shit as you say, then why can I and I'm sure plenty of other players play through the game very well and never get bothered by them in the slightest? Is your game more broken than ours? Or do you perhaps just need to... well...
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>>385849139
>>385851253
These are fixed in SotFS
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>>385854272
yea, but i never had a fucking problem in 2, and is the one that i had the most playing time of the 3.
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>>385855052
You can literally taunt dodge attacks in BB. Show me some proof that isn't a blurry as fuck screenshot.
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>>385855021
>Easiest Dark Souls game
What is Fume Knight.
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>>385855332
No they're not
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>>385855391
>>385855320
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>>385855332
Stop lying on the internet mouthbreather
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>>385855245
I would be willing to play a game like that. Dodging is fun and all but it's pretty silly that you can roll right into a hit without taking damage. It would be interesting if good positioning played a bigger part rather than just rolling into their face
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>>385855406

sorta easy (((((((((((((((((if you have summons teehee)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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>>385855306
It's mostly just autism. Watch Dark Souls playthroughs, whenever something bad happens to them that's not actually their fault but the game's fault, they still just blame themselves. There is a Souls 1 playthrough with a guy trying to shoot enemies with his arrow for two minutes straight but 9/10 of his arrows hit an invisible wall (they are everywhere) and he literally blames himself and says he feels "embarrassed".

It's pretty much the clever "if you don't like this game, you are a noob" marketing that makes people dumb and like this abomination of a video game.

Webm of the video, forgot what the name of thev ideo was, though.
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>>385855306
>let me just ignore the tons of webms in the thread depicting shitty hitboxes

I am a fan of the series, but seriously, stop defending their shittiest quality. Your critical observation skills are either horribly lacking or you haven't played the games enough to notice how bad the hitboxes can be.
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>>385855196
shockwave stupid
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>>385855406
That's an ADP check, or if you are really scrubby just use the simpleton's ring.
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>>385855391
I'm not sure what your point is but if you defend this >>385855320, you should just kill yourself and stop herassing decent people on 4chan.
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WOOOOOOOOOW I DODGED AND STILL GOT HIT
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>>385855504
Suck my cock dude
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>>385855406
>Fume
>hard
lol
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>>385855592
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>>385855601
I've finished both 1 and 3 and played through a quarter of Bloodborne. I swear to you this never became a problem big enough to notice throughout pretty much all of my playthroughs. When I got hit, I always knew why I got hit. I didn't do something right
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>>385855662
What is Lud and Zallen?
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>>385850714
>Mouthy contrarians invested in propping up the game
Surprised you didn't just call them shills
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>>385855629
right arm hit
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I was really hoping you'd be able to parry while two-handing a weapon. I know that has no consideration for balance and may not make any thematic sense, but I just really like parrying and I happen to enjoy greatswords too.
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>>385849139
Dark souls is such a great game but it has such an insufferable community that its managed to pollute the concept of difficulty within the genre. Its even weirder growing up when ninja gaiden ninja master was considered the casual filter, a legtitimately hard game. Yet now we live in a time where people are playing tough fuy over a game that is beaten by the likes of dsp and yahtzee.
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>those webms
i cannot believe people unironically like this kusoge. jesus christ, fuck me sideways. how broken does your brain have to be?
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>>385855792
Good for you then ?

I dont know what youre trying to contribute to thread when there's clearly like 20 webms of evidence posted
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git gud moron op
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>>385855592
Yeah, the invisible walls were shit and I knew and recognized that fully well during my playthrough of 1. I still never had an issue with bad hitboxes
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>>385855836
Fume knight fit as fuck
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>>385855727
Stop crying kid, if you talk shit, you get shittalked
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>>385855592
those aren’t invisible walls retard clearly the arrows are hitting the pillars
the aiming perspective is just shit
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>>385855792
You probably just got good at timing i-frames early on, rather than trying to dodge out of the way of the attack itself and getting hit by it's fuckhuge garbage hitbox.
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>>385855786
His spear literally touched his head for a split second during the animation
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>>385849139
>just git gud haha
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>>385855786
I don't see what's supposed to be wrong with this one.
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>>385854218
that thing is in all games and it's annoying as fuck

meanwhile your attack just bounces off
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>>385849139
Souls has literally the worst archery in any game yet. No idea why From can't be arsed to fix this boring, clunky shit.
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Once you memorize all the enemy attack patterns, the game turns casual as fuck.
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>>385850520
DS2 is my first Souls game, but It's nowhere near my favorite. It's all about DS1
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>>385855998
I did
That's how you're supposed to play the game, you have no excuse not to be dodging
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>>385856032
can’t even walk up stairs shut up kid
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>>385856056
Oh yeah this was complete horseshit. You can't look down either. Ruined the bows

The hitboxes still aren't an issue though
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>>385856032
okay that is his fault and you know it
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>>385855792
I can ignore all the ones from 2 in this thread too because it never happened to me outside the Ogres. And funny enough PS3/360 versions have this problem much, much less than those on newer systems and PC.
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>>385855986
lool, good parody, dude. i bet that's what some souls fanboys would actually say.

maybe i'd be even autistic enough to go there and make another webm to prove there actually are invisible walls.

good thing you're just pretending, though.

>>385856043
>>385856021
stop defending shit game design, please.
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>>385856032
That player made several glaring mistakes.
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>>385855871
meanwhile you play baby platformers and a shitty third person shooter on a handheld.
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from software's games have always being overrated trash with awful hotboxes in general
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>>385854812
*runs around and easily cheeses them*
who am I kidding
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>>385856032
Exactly what the player deserved for both rolling too early and rolling away towards a gap in the wall
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>>385856207
nice, you took the screenshot after his spear moved form his head
nice bait
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>>385856080
>once you get good at the game, it becomes easy

wtf i hate dark souls now
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>>385856096
So using invincibility frames to dodge an invisible part of the hitbox excuses how poorly designed the hitbox is? I don't think it does.
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>>385856238
you’ve probably tripped on a crack in real life too don’t be a stupid fuck kid
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>>385855245
Interesting. I came to the same conclusion.
Thank you for your input.
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>>385856080
>once you do something a casual wouldn't be able to do, the game becomes casual
you are a retard
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>>385856346
That's a fair point. But I have to say, even when I was new and completely shit and never rolled, I still never saw any obvious issues with the hitboxes.
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Souls games have always had garbage gameplay outside of combat. From Software has become a one trick pony.
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>>385856096
I think what he's saying is that instead of trying to dodge the actual attack, you just time the dodge well. Like, intuitively people would think that when they're going to hit you with a sword, you try to get out of the way of the sword so you don't get hit. When really it's more efficient to just roll into it, even if it makes no sense realistically. You do the latter, which is why you don't get screwed over, but people who do the former will experience all kinds of problems
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>tfw all these bullshit hitbox webms never applied to you
>people call you a fanboy/shill for that
I just don't know. Is this advanced shitposting?
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>>385854482
Enemy tracking is fucking disgusting.
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>>385856032
>Souls drone trying to discredit all the webms in the thread that rightfully dismantle this overrated game by posting a webm that actually involves player faults

Every time.
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>>385855245
>is too complicated for the community.
more like too complicated to design with that shitty engine
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>>385856373
autistic souls cuck SEETHING. eat shit fatso
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>>385856439
It's really mostly in 2 honestly, shit like this is inexcusable. >>385855629
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>>385855642
>shockwaves suck you in
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>>385856439
>I personally never experienced them so they must not exist at all. Prove me wrong atheists.
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>>385849139
You deserve it for playing this shit game.

Play DES, DS, DS3, BB, anything is better than DS2.

ANYTHING.
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>>385850640
seconding this
but to assure anyone, I dont consider 2 to be the best because of nostalgic reasons, I simply enjoy it the most
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>>385856565
That could absolutely be true, I haven't played 2 yet. I'm only defending 1 and 3
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>>385856474
you're just a deluded souls cuck. the witcher 3 has better hitboxes than souls trash
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>>385854828
>this game is old as fuck give it a rest
not him but the game isn't that old its not even a decade-ling yet
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>>385856493
enemy tracking before swinging for a blow is perfectly fine
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>dark souls doesn't have any flaws whatsoever bro it's all in your head
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>>385856638
no effort
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>>385856593
shut up weeb
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>>385856638
>buzzwords
So instead of talking to me you shitpost? Like I assumed?
Congratulations. But you still don't know that I don't like dark souls for othwr reasons but whatever. Stay deluded. I'm out, shitposter-san.
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>>385856691
just like from software's QA department
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>>385856301
You can literally even see the little sparkle that always comes the split second you get hit.

>Souls drones don't know their own games

>>385856474
Yes, yours is. I've seen enough playthroughs of your so called "never happened to me" people, and it happens to them all the time, they just don't notice it, see it or want to see it and just blame themselves for every mistake the game makes.
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>>385856689
Run straight underneath some falling rubble in real life and let me know how that works out for you.

Also what the fuck is that build my man? One hit and you're dead?
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>>385856769
holy shit souls cucks are retarded
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>>385856056
It seems more like a thing that's just kinda there as a last resort. Mainly the game focuses on up close situations, so either they're gimping it purposely or just because they can't be bothered to improve it because they don't really care about that part
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>>385856890
>it's falling rubble
deluded as usual
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>>385852268
When you have your shield up, you quick step with a single tap of the dodge button, roll with a double tap.
Or make non-tower shields deflect strikes like their designed to do
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>>385849139
These glitchy Dark Souls hitbox webms always makes me chuckle.
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>>385856857
>You can literally even see the little sparkle that always comes the split second you get hit.
sparks last longer than one frame you bitch
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>>385856021
>touching an ornamental piece on the top of the helmet should give the same amount of damage as a solid body blow or real head shot
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>>385856929
Witcucks are the worst though.
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>>385856963
you can clearly see it, open your eyes, or at least post an instance of an actually bad hitbox since they do exist.
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>>385851253
Lol, this was patched like 3 years ago... at least use something from 2015 or beyond.
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>>385856032
There's some bullshit in this thread, but that is a genuine fuck up on the players part.
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>>385857096
>>385856890
The rubble doesn't do any damage in that fight. It's the lighting attack which kills the player, the problem is that the hitbox sticks around for longer than the visual effect
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>>385857096
>this graphical effect is actually projectiles! watch how it kills you even though none of the rubble touched you!
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>>385856992
>When you have your shield up, you quick step with a single tap of the dodge button, roll with a double tap

yeah but then why block if you can roll?

>Or make non-tower shields deflect strikes like their designed to do
sounds logical but in a game it would always turn the gameplay into waiting for the enemy to strike your shield and then hit him back
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>>385857067
Literally no game has made hitboxes so intricate it would give you less damage for only grazing the top of the hitbox
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>>385850668
Me. Even if I liked those games the trophies that you don't get just for beating the game are just dumb weapon crafting shit. I don't even know why people are proud of getting all the trophies in those games.
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>>385857203
>>385857206
wrong
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>>385857054
Yeah, the hitboxes are shit, though, deal with it or die delusional, no one cares.
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>>385857073
>souls cuck is a weeb

souls cucks couldn't get any more pathetic
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>>385857278
monster hunter
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>>385857054
Are you blind? He even posted a webm. >>385856207 This should not count as a hit.
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>>385857403
For your hitbox or the Monster's?
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>>385857321
>gets btfo
>IT DOESNT MATTER JUST DIE
typical baiting faggot
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>>385857342
>witcuck being this defensive

just a reminder that witcucks are jealous of souls games because witcuck3 has shit combat.
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>>385857310
No actually you're wrong
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What's the worst fan base on /v/?
FFXIV shills or Soulsbabbies?

Both fanbases on /v/ and off are shit stains on the series.
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>>385857452
The Monster's. And actually in Dark Souls 2 the tip of your weapon's hitbox will do less damage especially if you're using a Katana.
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>>385856680
The Souls games have both types of tracking though, and it looks silly to have the enemy spinning without their feet moving but the player also can't do it.
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>>385857310
ackshually I'd like to counter with YOU'RE wrong
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>>385849847
following a guide you casual.
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>all this autism
lmao
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>>385857497
>>385857563
no
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>>385856515
leg was still in attack animation when he touched it
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>>385857445
yeah i saw the webm anon, the spear went inside his head
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>>385857482
Eat shit souls cuck. Your garbage series doesn't compare to the Witcher 3.
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>>385854353

he had 0 souls numbnuts. You can't lose souls if you don't have any.
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>>385857321
>Ludwigs""
You would have died anyways.
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>>385857530
>The Monster's.
FUCKING EXACTLY
The monsters are fucking huge and hitboxes can and should be a lot more intricate as a result. The game is focused around hitting them. The player hitboxes are not as intricate as you are demanding the ones in Dark Souls to be
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>>385857458
So, your definition of someone else getting "BTFO" is when you make up nonsense, delude yourself and ignore facts such as

>>385855786
>>385855786
>>385855786

and

>>385856207
>>385856207
>>385856207

Gotcha.
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>>385857504
since when has a fanbase been good?
isn't a fanbase usually just the casuals that eat shit up?
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never happened to me on dark souls 1 or bloodborne :^)
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>>385857693
The fact that Fallout 4 is in second place should be telling you something here, anon
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>>385857595
The Souls fanbase is embodied autism.
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based A team
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>>385850640
Wrong bitch. I like 2 the best because Shulva looks cool
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>>385857706
If you're getting your recovery and you die you can lose souls when you don't have any, have you played the game?

Also why the sudden shift in topic? Did you respond to me on accident?
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>>385857856
it should be telling you that even fallout 4 is better than fedora garbage like bloodborne
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>>385857772
sounds like you are the one ignoring things
but this isn't going to go anywhere anymore
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>>385854619
fuck off logicboy this is sillyposting thread
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>>385857984
I think he was trying to say that the list itself is bad because a game like fallout 4 managed to place highly on it.
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>>385857693
>being this good for retarded casuals
>akin to being good

this is what witcucks think
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>>385857984
AND MGSV, gee whiz what a game
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>>385858048
hey man I'll have you know that's pretty rude
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>>385858019
Made another picture. Probably the closest it gets to the """hit""" """connecting""".

Consider suicide.
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None of the Souls games were ever good.
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>>385857772
>>385858137
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okay you souls haters then tell me which action adventure games / rpgs have good hitboxes? pretty much every game in the genre has bad hitboxes
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Worst thing about Souls games is the trial and error and shit you just can't know, for example how much stamina certain attacks drain or what attacks are even blockable, able to parry etc.

That Havel manlet just goes through your shield like butter when you could easily block that fat taurus boss before.
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>>385857875
It's a "roll for x" post no one replies to others then. Don't show the image in the webm and the bait will be better.
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>>385858137
Cool, now take a look at this one, my man
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>>385858268
BECAUSE THE DAMAGE IS BASED ON THE KIND OF WEAPON BEING USED, NOT THE ENEMY
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>>385849139
I don't see the problem, you adapt to all the mechanics even the shitty ones.
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>>385858241
Breath of the Wild
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>>385858268
>go to high level area in RPG on accident
>complain when you get raped

Are people seriously this stupid?
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Either I'm getting baited hard righ tnow or the Souls fanbase is the worst and most retarded there is.

>>385858218
Holy shit, you Souls drones are pathetic. That's almost A SECOND after the actual attack (which did NOT hit him).

THIS is the actual attack >>385858137, you can see the small spark that even indicates it.

Your picture is almost two seconds later, see

>>385855786
>>385855786
>>385855786

>>385858357
Cool, another one seconds after the actual attack.

Are you blind?

Pic related.
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oh no I took damage and have to take a sippy :( shit game
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>>385857875
nice autistic webm you made there. I don't see the purpose though.
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>>385855196
the thing that bothers me the most here is that the player is knocked down the wrong way
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>>385858645
THAT *CLINK* ISN'T INSTANT, DUDE
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>>385857875
I can't imagine someone being this autistic
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>>385858241
Even Fallout 4 has better hitboxes than the Souls series you retard.
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>>385858642
>high level area
>some literal random tower near the first few bonfires with piss easy enemies around with idiot-proof telegraphing.

OK.
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>>385858268
Should the make some kind of "enemy journal" which tells you exactly every stat and value, weaknesses and tricks for each enemy? Shitters who cry about this will look it up anyway
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>>385858645
Not a good reliable image is it. Post an actual webm of it happening or it's fake. Oh wait you're probably a brainlet that can't even make a webm.
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>>385858268
so what
tiny bit of trial and error

in most cases you can avoid it by being careful, you wont die if you dont let havel hit you (not like its hard to dodge his attacks)
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>>385858747
>zipping around the fucking map with Melee in VATS
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>>385858739
Neither can I. That thread was absolutely pathetic.

"OMG, I have to reroll, fuck."

They did this for hours. Souls fans are something else entirely.
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>>385856593
DS3 is literally DS2 at 3x speed. All the horseshit is masked as "difficulty" because it's too fast for you to even complain about.
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>>385858785
he did post a webm dude
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>>385858747
>fallout 4
>rpg
lmao
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>>385854812
did people actually have trouble with them?
its fucking easy
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>>385858748
>area you can only access with a key you find WAY later in the game or optionally with a starting gift
>not a high level area

Have you ever played an RPG? Go play Final Fantasy 5 or something and wander around near the starting area, you'll find enemies you blatantly shouldn't be encountering at that level who will fuck you up.

Next I assume you're going to complain about the skeleton graveyard right next to the first area in the game?
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>>385858845
I can't believe someone can be this stupid. There were obviously more than a few people.

>>385858905
Not for that particular case dude
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>>385858881
Why did I beat most DS3 enemies and bosses on my first try then
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>>385858785
>being this much of a retard

>>385855786

>>385858721
You are right, your pictures that are five seconds later are more accurate.

And that the health goes down literally the moment this spark appears is probably just some weird coincidence.
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>>385858845
I think you've had enough today anon
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>>385855786
the spear hit the character's head though
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>>385858845
okay
how bout you take your meds now schizo
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>>385849264
>>385849692
>>385849898
>>385850135
le not enough ADP meme git gud xD
DS2 is just shite
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>>385859005
Oh thanks for spoonfeeding me the webm, idiot. As I expected, the spear hits the head.
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>>385855786
>>385858981
???
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>>385849139
Dark Souls 2 was a mistake.
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>>385858979
You realize that Havel was just an example, right?

>>385858981
No, there weren't that many people in the thread, actually. And I don't know how you can call others stupid after watching a webm like this.
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>>385859192
Sorry I'm not hiring any more slaves.

>>385859206
>No, there weren't that many people in the thread, actually.
Post poster count then.

> And I don't know how you can call others stupid after watching a webm like this.
What does that have to do with me calling people stupid? Are you an insecurotron or something?
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>>385859005
animation still conveyed correctly within the time margin of error

the player would know the spear was within reach and would know the danger of getting hit by it

the poke through wall case is bullshit but this one is fine
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>>385849139
Should had picked a straight sword and press r1
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Holy shit, Souls autists defend anything.

Why can't this cancer stay on NeoGAF?

>>385859140
Yeah, absolutely.

Look at that OBVIOUS hit.
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>>385859313
i was linking it to the other guy

I was actually helping your case
moron
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>>385859403
That's a screenshot dude. If it were to mean anything you would have to show a screenshot of every single frame.
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>>385859460
You want to be my slave this bad? Give me a day I'll think about it.
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>>385849139
Did they copy that one enemy from Zelda?
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>just git gud lmao
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>>385859592
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>>385859609
sounds like a reddit post
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>>385859331
Sweetheart, I beg you, just shut the fuck up and end your insufferable life. You have long passed the point of tolerable human idiocy.

>>385859480
This is the closest frame to the attack "connecting", further indicated by the health bar and the spark you can see in the blue circle. Make a screenshot or webm yourself if you want to disprove it.

I don't even know why we have to do it. It's not like there are countless other shitty hitboxes in this game.
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>>385859829
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>>385855592
Just move? It's impractical to shoot those enemies from that point. In fact, they're in the very beginning of the game and can be killed easily with any weapon at SL1.
>let's play the game unrealistically and get upset when our blatantly unnecessary "strategies" don't work"
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>>385859829
>like there are
aren't*
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>just git gud lma0
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>>385859926
>>385860052
>>385859796

MIYAZAKI DEFENSE FORCE ASSEMBLE
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>>385860001
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>>385859982
>unrealistically
>it's literally the most realistic and comprehensible way most people would probably approach and try to kill those enemies in real life and probably the reason that Youtube let's player tried to do it this way

And the point was that people blame themselves for mistakes the game makes. It was a let's play and the dude called himself embarrassing for not being able to aim properly when he clearly hits invisible walls.

And those are the people who then say "works on my machine".
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>>385860001
>wow dud you so bad ds3 literally goty lmao x''D
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>>385860052
>>385860179
pathetic.
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>>385859829
Nah there's a frame before that one where the spear quickly stabs from beneath. I'm not putting any more effort in saving you from ignorance, you've proven to be too far gone.
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>>385860152
>>
>that enemy design
jesus, what happened with the souls games?
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someone post that bloodborne one
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>>385860271
screamed the stable boy
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How can people defend this franchise, let alone call it anything above 7/10?

How?
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>>385860314
You have already demonstrated that the Souls fanbase is the most retarded and delusional fanbase under this sun, you can stop posting now.

Just stop.
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>>385860512
name 2 games better then DS1
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>>385860512
because the kind of stuff that happens in these webms are rare enough for most players to either never come across it or not even notice it when it happens. all games have problems, its how in your face they are that matters
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>>385860612
the original neptunia is better than that garbage
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>>385860612
Tarzan on PS1 and Lego Racers.

The first two that come to mind and are unironically better video games.
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>>385860736
>>385860839
PFTHAHAHAAHAH
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>>385860317
>detecting yourself
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>>385860512
wow
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>>385860186
You could the use items the game gives to you (like throwing knives to lure) instead of running into two enemies like the retard you are. You are on an arc build so you even have more projectiles. You could also try to dodge the stun projectile of them but you didn't.
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>>385860612
>name 2 games better then DS1

DS2 and DS3
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>>385857875
lol I'll roll on this anyway
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>>385850494
>but it's okay because the game is practically non-canon thanks to DS3
Yeah. But Dark Souls 3 made everything pointless.
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>>385860950
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>>385855786
>>385856021
>>385856043
>>385858019
>>385857458
>>385857054
>>385858019
>>385858357
>>385858721
>>385858981
>>385859480
>>385860314
Please tell me this is one and the same guy. I cannot believe the Souls fanbase is too delusional and retarded to simply admit that this one hitbox in this webm kinda sucks.

>>385855786

And now they are spamming literally Spiderman pictures to distract from it.
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>>385860612
The Last of Us and Uncharted 2
>>
I've only played Bloodborne but can someone please explain to me how it's somehow just as hard as Dark Souls even though in it you 20 blood vials and in Dark Souls only 6-8 esters flasks?
>>
Look at the little babies crying about hitboxes. Who cares? Makes for some hilarious webms on top of some great games. Two for the price of one in my book. I bet people complaining the most about it are shitters that didn't die to bad hitboxes, just due to not gitting gud, and so they shitpost about hitboxes.
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>>385861094
>>
It seems easier to enjoy souls games (and I guess to a lesser extent bloodborne) if you've played a lot of fighting games. The idea of hitboxes and hurtboxes is already common knowledge then.
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>>385860612
I'd have a harder time naming two games I find worse, desu.
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Why do faggots continue to reply to the guy saying the spear didn't hit when the webm itself and pics showed it did?
What the fuck
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>>385861081
Swag is for boys tho
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>>385857145
Yeah, fuck off. I tried this in the SOTF version a month or two ago. I used the mimic near the bonfire in front of Aldia's Keep and this shit still happens
>>
watching the ENB stream it was torture watching him clearly get hit and then complaining about bullshit hitboxes.

then people on chat would post the clips in slow motion and he was like...yeah whatever.

people get hit and then blame the game.
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>>385861230
it doesn't hit, tho. >>385859403 that's like four feet from the hurtbox.
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>>385861131
Damage and enemy attack range and speed is higher in BB.
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>>385861287
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>>385861308
who
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>>385850640
i played all the souls games in release order and still like sotfs better. even though 3 and 1 have better bosses.
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THERE ARE NO FLAWS!!!

It's supposed to be shit so it's good.
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>/v/ convinced me to play this
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>>385851253
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>>385849139
more evidence that DaS 2 is utter shit
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Why do Souls fans always complain about this dude? How is stuff like this even his fault? It perfectly shows how bad the game is.

And he is funny because he is still shit at the game on top of how bad the game is.
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>>385861287
kek
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>>385861612
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>>385861568
Looks a lot more fun than Souls combat which is essentially hit enemy twice, dodge, hit enemy twice, dodge, hit enemy twice, dodge, hit enemy twice, dodge, hit enemy twice, dodge, hit enemy twice, dodge.
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>>385861390
Pathethic DS1inch dick.
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>>385855629
Nice lag-
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>>385858954
t. Guy who's over leveled and using OP weapon
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>>385861638
he beat the game
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>>385849139
Myself and little brother have played through all three several times and never once had this happen to any of our characters. If you are fooled by simple cherrypicking then a good drowning should be your next option.
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>>385851253
>posting the bug that got fixed
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>>385861339
And people already posted others pics showing it did
All DaS suffers from shit hitboxes but that webm was not a problem unless you're a massive faggot and if this thread is anything to go by,you are one
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>>385861745
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>>385850640
I've played through all three as they released several times and I like them all almost equally. Anything else and you are a faggot who doesn't actually appreciate this sort of shit.
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>>385850640
It would seem most people played DS2 first then.
>>
Whoa are we having an "it's too popular here so i have to hate it" thread? these sure are rare. almost as rare as an "it's too popular to "normies" so i have to hate it" thread.
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>>385861934
yes, people posted pictures three seconds later. you can always just open your eyes, stop being a fanboy and watch the webm.
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>>385861796
>overleveling
There's no such thing unless you're a PvP shitter.
>>
This game was so much fun and totally not a frustrating piece of shit.
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>>385861638
exactly

he's so bad he constantly finds new ways to die/have something happen that's never happened to anyone else.

fucking Ricky of videogames
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>>385849139
>rolling into the motherfucker
>not away from him
congrats on your first DS thread. now lurk more.
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>>385850640
I played 2, then 1, then 3.

Dark souls 2 fucking sucks.
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>>385862035
pretty much this.


Also I have played thousands of hours on all games combined and have never experienced these "shit hitboxes" people like so much to bitch about.

A few glitched hits here and there but it would be obvious cherry picking.
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From is a shit dev who never made a game that wasn't Trash
ACfaggots can fuck right off
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>>385862145
nah this thread is just
>one side pretending to be retarded by defending Dark Souls' occasional wonky hitboxes, saying the game is forever perfect
>one side pretending to be retarded by nitpicking occasional wonky hitboxes, saying the game is overrated shit
Truth is, both sides are fans here. But because /v/ is just a cesspool of le ebin ironic humor, no one here is capable of real talk.
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>>385862136
I like that Souls 2 has such a high score because it proves NONE of those scores are reliable or matter.

Souls 2 is literally a 5/10 game and everyone with a brain knows it. This puts the other Souls games somewhere around 6/10 or 7/10 at utmost.

Not Bloodborne, though, the shitty console framerate is a no-go.
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>>385850640
ive played all 3 +BB and by far had the most enjoyment from danksouls 2
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>>385862335
No, whatever way you want to defend the game and what happens in this webm, it's clearly just the game's fault. And stuff like this happens all the time to everyone. Most people are just very forgiving (watch any playthroughs and you know what I'm talking about).
>>
>>385862456

shit, wothless opinions, the post.
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>>385862169
>memearcade
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>>385860221
You approach those enemies for the first time from 1 of 2 different directions than the one in the video meaning you would have already fought and killed them once at least. Also, after the first one or two arrows didn't work you would realistically move just like in any video game. Just because that LPer is an idiot does not mean the game is intentionally hindering him nor does it mean that strategy wouldn't work in another way.
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>>385862456
That's from the 1.0 release, it's nearly a perfect 30FPS in that areas after a few patches.
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>>385862145
No, it's a piece of shit and more and more people are waking up. That's all.
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>>385849139
Since this is a Dark Souls thread, what's the name of the sword shown in the cutscene of DS1's opening?
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>>385862456
DeS - 5/10
DS1 - 9/10
DS2 - 8/10
BB - 9/10
DS3 - 7/10
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>>385862662
>i-in that area
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>>385862784
Silverlight
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>>385861612
>>385861717
>>385861931
>having to invest points in dodge rolling
>>
>this thread
*facepalm*
How can you casuals talk shit on dark souls... its not that hard guys...
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>>385862456
Funny thing the user score is always 8 and up on most souls's games.
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>>385862784
silver knight sword
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>DS1 and 3 are so shit that the only Souls threads are full-retard bitching about the only good Souls game
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>>385862784
Those are Silver Knights
So they use the Silver Knight straight sword.
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>>385862784
the silver knight sword you fucking idiot
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>>385862908
>defending dark souls 2
holy shit how contrarian can you get
>>
>>385862784
Silver Knight's Sword. Drop from Silver Knights in Anor Londo. Love it, use it.
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>>385862865
>having to invest points in anything

Every character should just start with 99 in everything, RPGs are for nerds.
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>>385862797
>Souls 1
>9/10
>after everything posted in this thread

That fathomless delusion of Souls fans. I think it's best to just let them stay autistic and avoid them.
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>>385862865
>having to invest points in carrying capacity
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>>385862997
I dont agree that ds1 and 3 are shit at all. but ds2 sotfs was fucking great as well.

Is it contrarian to like all the souls games? Fuck you.
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>>385862842
>>385862901
>>385862912
>>385862985
Thanks! Although it looks a bit thicker ingame, is it worth using? What sort of build should I use to get the best damage out of it?
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>>385862865
There is no rolling in those webms so ADP is irrelevant to the results. These just show that most hitboxes are as good as DS1.
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Was Anor Londo built around him?
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>>385862997
>contrarian

LMAO, anyone who pretends DS2 isn't the best is a contrarian by definition
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>>385862456
So only your opinion matters? Ok.
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I had no idea so many people had to convince themselves that good games were bad.

Why do this?
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>>385862662
prove it
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>>385863129
Look at what it scaled with in the wiki and you'll know.
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>>385863236
because it makes them look hardcore for liking "prepare to die" marketed games
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>>385863194
Shit game design, flaws, shit hitboxes, repetitive combat, no music, no story, no verticality, no interactivity, no clever platforming or puzzles at all, shitty economy and lore that makes zero sense, horrible framerate for no reason and shit graphics is what matters.
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>>385862865
Oh no! Those 5 or 6 levels I dump on adp will surely fuck up my build!
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>>385863157
If I remember, They were sculpted from the titanite.
So, the sculptor probably sculpted it in this room for Gwyn
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>>385863157
No, it's implied that they grow from titanite, like spring from it. You can see the original piece where their head should be. Someone probably left some in a room and it grew up. Poor titanite guy.
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>>385863257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLFatxFg0nM

They test both PS4Pro and PS4 in the lastest BN version in this area and they have 30FPS and 29FPS respectively
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>>385863353
so how exactly is it any worse than the other games?
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>>385863353

>shit worthless opinions, the post, electric boogaloo
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>>385863157
was this image made by a complete pillock?

the answer is not revealed in the game, because it's not important
but it is also not hard to come up with one, this is after all a world where teleportation exists,
maybe he jumped from the terrace above the room
not relevant in any way
maybe he was there when he was young and grew in the room

all potential answers, all totally irrelevant to the game
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>>385863236
Nothing about this game

>>385849139
>>385851253
>>385854218
>>385854327
>>385854354
>>385855196
>>385855320
>>385855592
>>385855629
>>385855786
>>385856056
>>385856689
>>385856857

is even remotely good. Stop listening to NeoGAF, to casual reviewers and to children on 4chan who like le epic dark game because le marketing told me I'm cool when I like it.
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>>385849139
is this the fucking twolegged beast from dink smallwood
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>>385863481
That's some pretty deep lore.

Finally a game that stimulates the almonds.
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>>385863353
Are you talking about a souls game or dragon's dogma?
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>>385862293
Exactly what would happen if you were turning your body like that and the arrow was very strong

That section is bullshit but not because of this
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>>385863596
[spoile]Both.[/spoiler]
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>>385863487
Those don't count you fucking casual. The game isn't as hard as you think, just play better
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>>385863442
>Digital Foundry

Your gonna have to do better than that
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>>385863487
I like the game because the story and gameplay are well connected
I like the game because it's challenging but fair
I like the game because progress in it feels instantly rewarding
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>>385861796
>get npc summons
>spam dark fog and do backstabs while the summons tank them
Easiest boss
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>>385863679
No, anon, that's not what would happen.

Jesus Christ... Talk to your physics teacher tomorrow.
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>>385863157
"The Prowling Demons, also known as the Titanite Demons, are demons born from the scattered legendary slabs after the unnamed blacksmith deity passed away. They wield the Titanite Catch Pole which still has residual power from the Titanite Slab from which they are spawned."

They're born from Titanite slabs if they're left too long. I guess that explains why it's rare to find surviving titanite slabs, but you usually find titanite demons near blacksmiths.
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>>385849139
DS2's hitboxes are the worst, across DeS to BB. They're just bad. Especially how they deal with grab-type moves.

The fact that the Mimic bite hitbox wasn't fixed in the re-release is inexcusable. Standing behind the Mimic when it wakes up and bites teleports you in front of it. This is reproducible, makes the enemy far more trouble than it should be, and is endemic of how little a shit even the devs gave about getting DS2 'done' and out the door.
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>>385863487
Who listens to marketing anymore?

I play the games because they are fun and so do others.

Back to le Reddit you go.
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>>385863579
it's not lore
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>385858881
>people act like ds3 dragon form is the only one that's ugly as fuck
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>>385849139
Clipped the foot
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>>385863679
Kek.

>>385863784
>and gameplay are well connected
I don't even want to know what this means. Fuck, this thread is depressing. Souls cancer was a mistake.

>>385863880
Reddit loves those shit games. So does NeoFAG.
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>>385863745
You webm was also from them
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>>385863353
>I want silly power fantasy bullshit where the player is a god and can easily kill everything that he comes across with no effort

Fuck off. This series isn't for you
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>>385863956
>Kek.
What is your response
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>>385864006
That doesn't prove anything
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The Souls series are the most important thing to happen to video games in 15 years.
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Most 3D games have botched hitboxes. Why it's never been fixed I don't know
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>>385862865
>0 rolling whatsoever in all three webms
Kill yourself, retard.
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>>385864153
It proves the game ran bad at launch and that it runs at least 33% on average since the last big patch that added the old hunters.

Coincidentally every other Souls game has has big performance boosts after certain patches.

>yfw
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>>385863956
dying in games is too often just waved off
you die, time reverts, you keep on playing
in Dark Souls you die and you are reborn at the bonfire, this happens to you and everyone else with the curse of the undead
the other characters are all going through the same experience as you, they die. they are reborn, etc.

when they die too many times and give up they lose the rest of their humanity and they go hollow, just as the player eventually wants to give up if they die one too many times

Your character goes hollow when you give up beating the game
but the story goes on even after you stop playing

i hope this elaborates it
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>>385864326
fuck you, you know what i mean. having a stat that determines your i-frames is bullshit
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>>385864467
Such as weight?
>>
sigh... looks like the 2cucks are at it again
look just watch this video...you'll see how shit your game is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9iHemcluxs
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>>385861612
>level ADP way more than any normal person would
>More iframes than everyone
>LOL git gud shitters these hitboxes are great

DS2 apologists are so desperate
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>>385864382
It's still shit
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>>385864467
No, i don't know what you mean. You memed about needing to invest on rolling while quoting THREE posts with 0 rolling whatsoever.

And no, making a stat power up a dodge if raised is good game design. It was just badly done in DaS2.
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>>385864467
It's much more useful for it speeding up your estus drinking speed. I agree though, it doesn't feel as satisfying as levelling damage, defense or health since there's no immediate payoff. You don't realise how big a difference it makes until you start a new playthrough and everything feels sluggish and shitty again.
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>>385864586
>tfw your adp is too high for the shitty first-area bait
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>>385857640

I think you might actually be retarded.
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>>385862865
>Having to invest in points to hit harder
Why doesn't make character just swing harder?
>Having to invest in HP
Why doesn't my character stop being a pussy and take the hits better?
>Having to invest in Intelligence
Why doesn't my character just get smarter?
>Having to invest in faith
Shitposting aside this makes genuinely no sense lol how does spending souls make me more devout?
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>>385864524
Doesn't count dumbass...
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>>385864593
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>>385864736
lol those arent gameplay mechanics you dumb faggot
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>>385856056
true dat
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>>385864586
Is "you have high ADP doesn't count lmao" the new "hellkite 100% instakills you on first encounter"?
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>>385864586
Nobody but retards need more than 15 ADP, that's 7 levels into ADP.
And you can get that with the souls from the last giant, you literally need to beat the tutorial tier boss with a midroll, is that too hard for you?
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>>385855406
i dont get this meme
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>>385864816
>Playing the game and opening a menu to put points into a stat that have an immediate impact on my character's performance isn't gameplay
Okay. Once again, why can't my character just swing harder to do more damage?
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Fume Knight is the only boss in the entire soulsborne series I can't beat.
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>>385863956
>Reddit loves those shit games. So does NeoFAG.
They also love whatever game you like you know.
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>>385865110
You're just impatient and roll early, that's where 90% of deaths in DS2 come from.
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>>385850640
I think it's mostly people who jumped on the hypetrain when DaS was kinda dead.
Not that DaS2 is bad but it's definitely worse than DaS1.
I also guess people who enjoy PvP like 2 more
Threads on /v/ were always fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-6JG2Xd0u8

>>385862136
DaS2 probably got higher scores because "critics" are scared of backlashes and especially if they rate something like DaS low, people would call them out being shit at videogames.
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>>385849139
I never once said "well that was a glitch" while playing ds3, where are my shit hit boxes man I need to know I feel robbed.
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>>385865294
>you will never be able to do those no rolling no blocking NG7 bosses in any souls game
>or do no rolling or no blocking in general
Feels bad man. Well puzzle bosses like Dragon God can be done like that by anyone though.
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>>385865294
I'm sure that's not you, but I'm genuinely impressed either way. Thanks for posting senpai
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>>385849139
>guts using a shield
>using a shield is ds2: powerstance of the first powerstance
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>>385865423
DS3 just gives you 20 forced iframes every roll regardless of weight as long as it's below fatroll.

It's literally DS for casual new generation: the game.
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>>385849139
>bugs exist therefore game should have a super easy mode for people who want instant gratification
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>>385850520
as if BB, 3 and all new kingsfields game arent going to be any different

thats like RE improving their shitty control scheme
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>>385865569
That's not me indeed, but I did beat fume at SL1 around when his DLC came out.
It's actually not that hard once you stack some good damage, 2H your weapon and use RTSR and Fynn's Riung for max damage, he goes down quite fast to the craftman's hammer.
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>>385855760
Literally no other boss is harder.
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>>385865578
>DS3 just gives you 20 forced iframes every roll regardless of weight as long as it's below fatroll.

which is better than DS2 regulating it to a stat but never giving any indication it did
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>>385865401
But it had/has a decent user score too. >>385862891
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>>385856235
>How dare you point out the flaws in muh game! you must be x and y!
Souls fanboys are so embarassing.
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>>385849692
Is that armored swordsman tracking me?
>yes chef
Fucking hell
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>>385866052
Except it does says ADP increases evasion in the description.
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>>385866246
ADP increases agility but the game doesn't say what Agility is
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>>385856474
>>tfw all these bullshit hitbox webms never applied to you
What does that matter? They are proof that the shitty hitboxes exist, it doesn't matter if you say they never happened to you.
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>>385866271
Ok, let's say it didn't explain it properly.
DS1 didn't explain anything properly like the weight and iframe breakpoints, but it gets a pass as 10/10 masperpiece?

DS2 has a lot of faults in visual polish but the way stats work and the core gameplay isn't one of them.
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>>385857778
Doom fanbase is great, with some outliers like Sgt Mark IV.
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>>385866295
But their frequency is highly relevant to the discussion. Many anons saying they never had those issues is a very important point
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>>385861931
>>385861612
>>385861717
>a handful of specific weapons with perfect and frankly probably lucky timing means there's no problem megalul

wew
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>>385866453
>DS2 has a lot of faults in visual polish but the way stats work and the core gameplay isn't one of them.

they also added that stat which was not a thing in DaS1

and it was apparently so disliked it was taken out in 3
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>>385866271
It's the same as strength/dex and the scaling system being vague for new players, at least in 1. They both just say "increases weapon attack", and weapon-specific scaling is relatively tucked away if you don't know what you're looking for. It's easy to understand you need 16 strength to wield a claymore or 14 dex for the uchigatana, but many new players will be doing piss-poor damage because they have no idea about scaling.
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>>385866052
Man, what shit taste.
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>>385849264
You kidding? I can barely think of any examples of that from DeS and DaS1, but hundreds from DaSII.
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>>385866550
That's actually a shockwave, though.
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How come people hate adp in 2 but say nothing about resistance in 1?
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>>385849898
"Dodging too soon" would only be a valid thing if the enemy reacted to your premature maneuver and adjusted its attack, but that would be too much work for a Japanese developer.
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>>385861931
This looks super fucking cool.
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>>385866580
DS3 removed everything that made DS1 and DS2 good including blue invasions, PvP sin, an actual open world instead of a tunnel, poise, unique conversants, etc
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>>385863129
It looks cool, but it's not a very good weapon.
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>>385866592
but when you increase those stats you see your weapons get stronger.

You see no indication that you get no extra I Frames
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>>385866738
But that's exactly what they do you dumb fuck, a lot of enemies hold attacks in the air while still aiming for you, you dodge early, then they attack when you're roll is just ending and get hit. Stop dodging till the attack has already triggered then it cannot aim towards you anymore.

You were supposed to learn this playing the first few hours in The Forest of Giants.
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>>385866141
I don't know the userscores and DaS2 isn't bad
It's lower than the critic score
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>>385849898
Iframes being a stat is retarded
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>>385867096
Ageed, iframes being tied to weight is terrible.
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>>385866938
There's no indication that a new player shouldn't equally level both regardless of the type of weapon they're using. A guy with a zweihander sees "increases attack" under both dexterity and attack, and was already aware that they needed a certain amount of both to use the weapon in the first place. Without knowing tilted scaling is a thing, you can't blame them for accidentally making a quality build because they think they might find a cool weapon later on with high requirements and "increases attack" is universal.
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>>385861819
Has he ever finished one without being extremely over leveled and relying on cheesing? Either way he still dies hundreds of times and relies on streamchat constantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djH_ztEeGyY
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>>385866714
/v/ is full of retards who behave as a hivemind, people who constantly shit on ds2 iframes being tied to adp probably defend morrowind shitty hitratio system where hit chance is tied to skills.
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>>385866541
Not encountering an issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Someone could have possibly never found a bug in Skyrim, one of the most notoriously buggy games of all time.
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>>385866541
>But their frequency is highly relevant to the discussion
And there's loads of webms for that.
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>>385866714
Did you ever really need to level resistance in 1?
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>>385867165
adpt sucks because you have to invest souls and also soul levels into it
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>>385867525
>the same webms
ftfy
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>>385867525
You're going to need hundreds, recorded by people who weren't intentionally looking for buggy shit, to actually make a prove that it's seriously buggy with nothing but videos
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>>385849692
The hitbox itself isn't the problem. The problem is the game doesn't update the position of your hitbox while you're rolling. Combine that with low Adaptability throwing away your iframes in the middle of your roll and you wind up with phantom hurtboxes left in your wake, like you're the Wimp Lo of ninjas.
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>>385866836
>thinking DS3 is worse than DS2
>>
You should all watch matthewmithosis video about ds2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI

He uses a tripcode here and visits frequently. Truly /ourguy/!
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>>385867542
>Did you ever really need to level resistance in 1?

nope
>>
If you don't like dark souls don't play it. You don't have to convince yourself not to. Most games have bugs, there's exploits in the souls series too but y'all have nothing to say about that.

It's obvious shitposting but to those that genuinely believe this garbage you need to move on.

Way too many posts in this thread
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>>385849139
>shield up
>chicken out and try to roll too late to dodge and too early to iframe it
>FAT ROLLING
get gud
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>>385867601
Unlike the way you increase weight capacity
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>>385854882

>boss literally spinning on it's axis without any animation going on
>DUDE WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO XDDD

it's like talking with sony niggers when they were defending paid online

>THEY GOT TO MAKE MONEY SOMEHOW XDDD

idiocy has no bounds
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>>385867657
>thinking it's not
wew
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>>385855196
>souls 1 shit hitboxes
>dark souls
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>>385867542
You don't need to level ADP in 2 either and only mage/cleric (the easymode classes) have truly bad starting ADP.
Every other class besides SL1 has midroll iframes from the start.

And even at SL1 you can dodge every single attack in the game, the timing is just very tight.
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>>385867631
You can't be serious, you're claiming these webms don't count? They absolutely do, they are objective proof the game has flawed hitboxes. It's completely irrelevant that you claim you never found an issue because the webms are hard proof, people's anecdotes aren't.
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>>385867619
That's the most pathetic defense I've seen yet.
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>>385867657
much, much worse it becomes a generic mashing game of stunlocking or getting stunlocked

R1 mash, panic roll spam, chug spam, win.
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>>385867542
There's no need to level adp either. And if you really need to, it's just like 5 or 6 points in it.
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>>385867910
>R1 mash, panic roll spam, chug spam, win.
That's literally every souls game.
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>>385867667
Oddly enough I was watching this before your post. Mostly because I just finished DeS and was running through some of his videos about that.
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>>385867525
There's like two, dude, and a lot more proving the hitboxes work fine now.
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>>385867695
weight limit still exists in ds2 though
in ds1 for whichever build you were using you levelled endurance+whichever 1/2 stats you needed. The most you'd end up levelling is endurance+attunement+magic/faith. If you want to play a battle cleric in ds2 you have to level weight limit, adp, attunement, faith and your stamina bar.
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>>385866836
so less areas = better game?
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>>385867808
Let's say I made the claim that Canadians all have super human strength. To back up this claim, I show you ten videos of Canadian powerlifters.
You say:
>Anon, I know several Canadians personally and none of them have super human strength. I don't think you're right
I insist that I am correct.
>Look at the evidence, dude. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't hold up against the cold hard facts of these videos
You become frustrated
>No, anon. There are millions of Canadians, and a billion of people that personally know at least one Canadian, and none of them have ever claimed that all Canadians have super strength
I get very upset
>HEY BONEHEAD, LOOK HOW MANY FUCKING VIDEOS I SHOWED YOU. TEN. GIVE ME HALF AN HOUR AND I CAN FIND YOU TWENTY MORE. THIS IS ABSOLUTE PROOF.

I think you'd rightly think I was a fucking moron
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>>385867985
No, roll spam isn't possible in DS2 and DS1, you run out of stamina, sit there and die.
In DS3 you can roll 15 times on a character with 20 END, asd 8 times on a SL1 char.
And even if your run out of stamina and go negative, it regens soo fast that you'll only have a half a second of "standing there" and for most bosses that's not something they can punish most of the time.
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>>385867418
>/v/ is full of retards who behave as a hivemind

>>385867667
Like clockwork. Glad this fucker is done for.
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>>385868160
*fewer
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>>385866541
>Many anons saying they never had those issues is a very important point
No it isn't.
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>>385868283
Would you like me to pull up the hours and hours and hours and hours worth of glitch-free game footage on Youtube?
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>>385868210
With the stamina ring that you get in the great hollow all bosses become a complete joke, there's an item that boosts your stamina regen but I never used it, not sure if it stacks.
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>>385862456
>Initial release of the game that's since been patched
>In what is probably the lowest framerate area of the whole game

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>>385868202
good fuckin post
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>>385868202
>Let's say I made the claim that Canadians all have super human strength. To back up this claim, I show you ten videos of Canadian powerlifters.
That's absolutely not comparable at all, why are you even bringing this up? Good god you're terrible at this.
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>>385868202
Canadians love powerlifting, dude
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>>385861067
>made everything pointless
ah. just like real life.
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>>385868384
Maybe if you're naked and have both the ring and stamina shield, but in DS3 it's like that by default plus you have those 2 items. It's just too OP the way you can roll 20 times with barely any investments.

I'm fine with having tons of rolls but you should need 30-40 endurance for it like in DS1 and DS2 not 15-20 like in DS3.
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>>385868368
You can pull a glitch-less Skyrim run, doesn't mean the game doesn't have tons of bugs.

Seriously, stop trying, it's embarassing. Nothing you say is going to change the fact that the games have bad hitboxes, it's not like it's something that's easily seen in any playthrough because you have to be doing a specific movement at a specific time to experience it.
>>
Is it ok to admit I liked Dark Souls 2 the best yet?
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>>385868534
Let's say I made the claim that Dark Souls games all have unfair and game-breaking hitbox issues. To back up this claim, I show you ten videos of Dark Souls players coming across buggy hit detection.
You say:
>Anon, I've played several Souls games personally and didn't come across these glitches in any of them. I don't think you're right
I insist that I am correct.
>Look at the evidence, dude. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't hold up against the cold hard facts of these videos
You become frustrated
>No, anon. There are tens of thousands of active Dark Souls players, and hundreds of thousands that watch the games get played, and most of them never whine about these issues that you're claiming are commonplace
I get very upset
>HEY BONEHEAD, LOOK HOW MANY FUCKING VIDEOS I SHOWED YOU. TEN. GIVE ME HALF AN HOUR AND I CAN FIND YOU TWENTY MORE. THIS IS ABSOLUTE PROOF.

I think you'd rightly think I was a fucking moron
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>>385849139

nobody in their right mind can defend the trash DS II dlc

>b-but FUME KNIGHT!!!

fuck off one good boss doesn't redeem all the rest of the trash
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>>385868384
it does stack, but 3 has that ring as well
They all have the ring, stamina grass, and the grass shield which is the same effect, and they always stack (although I'm not sure if they have diminishing returns)
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>>385868704
>Maybe if you're naked and have both the ring and stamina shield,
I am telling you man, I consider myself a bad player and I destroyed the fucking game with that ring. Pretty much the only boss afterwards that I couldn't beat in 1-2 tries was bed of fucking chaos, fuck that abomination of a boss.
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>>385868202
>using problem of induction to undermine proof
Fuck off cunt
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>>385868874
I liked the DLC though. How is it trash?
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>>385868202
>Let's say I made the claim that Canadians all have super human strength.
Let me tell you where you fucked up in your initial premise.
Your example claim is "Canadians all have x".
That anon's claim is "Souls has x".
The keyword differentiating the two claims is "all". That anon has not claimed that all the hitboxes are bad, he has claimed that there are bad hitboxes. Which there are.

Poor reading comprehension of his argument does not help you with yours. Don't conflate "this thing of poor quality exists" with "all these things are of poor quality" while you try to make your own argument.
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Sunken King = Iron King > Ivory King = Ringed City = AotA > Ashes of Ariandel
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>>385869113
/v/ and/or my favorite youtuber told me not to like it
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>>385868798
Give it a few more years
There are genuinely people on /v/ probably in this thread whose first console was a 360. Someone on here earlier today didn't recognise a PS1 and dismissed it as being irrelevant when they were ridiculed. Give it a couple of years and any game from ds2's era will be looked back at as the "good old days" regardless of its actual quality
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Why do you guys get so bitter when other people find joy in games?
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>>385869141
No I fully understand that and understood it when I wrote the post. What makes them comparable is that these are people claiming that the hitboxes are SO BAD that they ruin the game experience. Absolutely no one is arguing Dark Souls doesn't have some hitbox bugs, I certainly wouldn't, but I absolutely tale issue with the claim that the games are so buggy that they're gamebreaking. Very few people have ever had their Dark Souls experiences ruined for them by glitches
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>>385854845
>doesn't know how poise works
>this is a DS2/3 babbie
Can't blame ya, shit games never really explained it to you or just outright removed them
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>yfw frigid outskirts
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>>385861796
>2kats
>use the area to your advantage
Anon, did you know that if you run around the map they get confused and you have enough time to
>drink estus
>use quick magic on either the havel or the ranged
>masturbate
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>>385867643
>The problem is the game doesn't update the position of your hitbox while you're rolling.
This is a problem in DaS and DeS and doesn't affect offline play because you have i-frames for the duration your hitbox stays behind. It can fuck up stuff online though most notably with how it doesn't protect you from backstabs at all but also in a laggy situation where enemy hits your rolling i-frame protected hitbox but by the time your client receives the information about getting hit your own i-frames have run out.
Despite latency the lag compensation does check if the position where you supposedly got hit was correct, but it only checks if you currently have i-frames or not, but not if you had them when you actually got hit.

Dark Souls II doesn't have the issue of lingering hitbox, the enemy attack hitboxes are just that badly designed.
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>>385849139
It's stupid looking but if the hitboxes were perfect the game would be stupid fucking easy. Dodging in DaS isn't about hitboxes but more about iframes.
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>>385869170
I'd put Ivory last, it was really unpolished desu and the meme fight with the allied knights helping you was a bit silly.
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>>385869686
The horses were fun to fight 1v1, they had the same moves as the Manticore boss from DS1's DLC.
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>all this fucking cock gargling

like its okay if you like the game and accept it for its flaws, teenagers are insane
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>>385870102
>he doesn't gargle cock
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>>385866625
But the guy falls over before the dust wave hits him.
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>>385869975
It felt like a good fight to wrap the game up with. Jumping into the abyss with your own knights was a great callback to gwyn
plus I like it when they have a shitload of areas that aren't necessary to finish the "main quest" in an area, and fully half of Ivory is "bonus"
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>>385854354
You can't walk through her front leg at all.
Go around it.
>>385855196
Because everyone wanted CD tier hitboxes to the whole game?
Go die in a fire for actually defending this crap in the first place.
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>>385870343
That's an animation problem, not a gameplay problem
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>>385869890
If the enemies are too easy to beat fair you have to fix the enemies, not skew their hitboxes.
This was easily the most frustrating aspect about 2 and they improved it a lot for a reason in 3, also making enemies tougher with their increased agility.
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>>385866550
How did that not hit his shield?
There's no stamina drain.
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>>385855332
>>385857145

I'm playing through the game right now, it's still here
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>>385864326
>zero
>DS2 babbies are this retarded
>>385861612
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