>people will defend this service

>>385845018
What else do PC players use?

>>385845018
But its free and i dont need to pay a monthly fee to play my streamed games

>>385845018
What's wrong with it?

Literally never had a problem with it in the 9 years I've used it.

>>385845018
Post a better video game service.

>>385846823
/thread

>>385845018
>people will bitch about this service

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>Totally free platform
>Can add non-steam games to it's library
>Has several security measures, even recent updated ones with the whole phising issue
>Has independant game discounts, regardless of company. Including seasonal huge discounts
>Personal profile you can level up in various ways, plus customize in lots of ways
>Whenever it goes down, it's usally up quite fast
>Asks you if you want to update, rather than interrupt you or focing it
>Allows you to use custom made skins for it's UI and everything
>You can change download region on the fly
>Has in-built browser if you're busy in a game and don't want to alt-tab
>Steam overlay rarely has any issue
>Big picture if you're one of those cucks
>Family share works wonders
>Some people won't defend this service.

>>385845018
it broke the overly expensive vidyagame monopoly in technoshops in my country (except some AAAs that i dont care about)

>>385845018
let me guess
steam didn't refund something?
you bought a shitty game and you can't refund?
you can't have those "games" because they're expensive as fuck?

>>385847293
>sucking corporate dick
>for free

I bet you have a tattoo of some corporate band or vidya as well you walking fucking advertisment

>>385847738
>Sucking corporate dick
I bet you're jealous I can sit free on my PC and do what the fuck I want, not having to toss dollars on my console everytime I want to boot it up and hit an online game

>>385847293
>>Can add non-steam games to it's library
the fuck are you even talking about
it's a fucking shortcut you dense fuck

>>385847898
I use Debian actually :^)

>>385847974
>Can add non-steam games to it's library
>non-steam games
>Library
>LIBRARY
I'm not saying it becomes a fucking steam game
>non-steam game
I'm saying it gets placed in your steam library, so you get the steam overlay, and activity.
Dense fuck.

>>385848075
it's not in your library
it's a shortcut

>>385847293
its updates interrupt all the time and if you close out next time you open the update is forced

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>>385846823
this

>>385848140
Jesus christ dude.
It gets added to your library, as in you can find it there, and play it while having steam overlay active.
I'm not saying it get's added permanently, as in you just got a free game.
I know it's a fucking shortcut, but you play it like if it was a steam game.

Are you actually retarded?

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>>385845018
you have 0.2 nanoseconds to name a better service.

>>385848327
>Are you actually retarded?
nope, it's a mistake to assume everyone surrounding you is the same

>>385845018
more like disservice

m i rite

>>385845018
>revoke your game
>nothin' personnel kid

>>385848412
Nice comeback my dude. I suppose you realise what I was saying, and you interpretated my state as if I was actually mental, and decided not to comment further.

>>385845018
15 DAYS

>>385848478
it's a shortcut you dense retard
you added a shortcut to a menu, you didn't add a game to a library

it doesn't interact with the steam service
it is a symbolic link, nothing more

>>385848368
piratebay

Hard to use Steam now when Discord is better.
The deals and shit like that doesn't matters to me as I pirate everything I can.

>>385848593
And I already told you I know it's a shortcut, but it appears in your game library, in-fact interacting with steam. Considering how it allows you to use the Steam Overlay.

I'm not trying to tell you that, I have that game in my library forever. Jesus dude.

>>385848546
just get a steam guard dude. i feel bad for people who don't have mobile though. kinda bs.

>>385848593
It does interact with the Steam service in that the overlay becomes available in game, you can configure controllers like the Steam controller and a DS4 for a game that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise.

>>385845018
(You)

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>>385848593
>add game as non-steam game
>click library
>it's listed there along with my other games

>>385848782
it's not in your library

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>Introduced paid mods
>Introduced Early Access
>Zero quality control since Valve gets money off each copy sold
>Trading cards encourage building a backlog
>Sales are garbage now since people realized key resellers are actually cheaper

>>385848593
THE LIST OF SHORTCUTS IS CALLED THE LIBRARY

HOW IS ANYONE THIS GODDAMN STUPID

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RAPACIOUS CUNT

>>385849456
why don't you leave

>>385850143
if it was added to your library, it would persist between installs
it does not
it is a symbolic link, appearing in a library tab

it was added to nothing
it is a shortcut
steam is not performing a service for you with this

It just werks.
Way better than a console network you have to pay for or some publisher/gamespy shit that goes down after a few years.

>>385849482
>Zero quality control since Valve gets money off each copy sold
Why do people give a fuck about this?
"Waaaahhh the guy who sells me my toilet paper also sells dildos!"
Who fucking cares, if you accidentally buy a dildo you're a fucking moron, if someone wants a dildo that's their fucking business.

>>385850472
Something something clogging the system with garbage and Russian card scam games

My only issue with steam is that there's no competition.
Monopolies aren't healthy.

>>385845018
Unlike PS+ its free

>>385850614
>What is Origin, Uplay, Blizzard Launcher, GOG, etc.

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You dont have to shit on everything /v/ you know? You are allowed to like things too.

I like Steam.

>>385850614
>its a monopoly
can you fags say something that isn't 101% retarded?

>>385850692
>Origin
The EA only storefront, which isn't competition for steam other than for a few games
>Uplay
The Ubisoft only storefront, which isn't competition for steam other than for a few games
>Blizzard Launcher
The Blizzard only storefront, which isn't competition for steam other than for a few games
>GOG
The DRM-free only storefront, which lacks an incredible amount of both old and new games because publishers aren't interested in DRM-freedom
>etc.
????

>>385846823

this pretty much

that and they allow third party key sellers so you can get some new releases for 30 bucks at cdkeys.com

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>>385848030
>Using Debian, ever
>Playing PC games on linux
>Kys yourself, my dude

You know which one to pick

>>385851079
>which isn't competition for steam
it is competition. Its not competition because you said so you dumb faggot

to get EA games you have to download origin

same with ubisoft and blizzard shit

You can't get a lot of games from steam unless you go to those COMPETING providers.

>>385845018
defend against what

>>385850359
autism

>>385851556
Origin isn't competition because most people who buy EA games are console gamers, Uplay isn't competition because Ubisoft is going out of fucking business and probably won't even exist next year

>>385851601
Whining communists.

>>385849482
>people who bitch about quality control

i'll never understand. use your fucking brain instead of making valve do it for you. it's like going to a blockbuster and bitching about shitty movies you don't like being on the shelf. now that there's even a refund option this is not even remotely an issue.

>>385847045
>people will literally bitch about anything

>>385851556
What you say is right, anon, but it's a matter of scale.
You don't want to install Uplay? You're missing out on about half a hundred games.
You don't want to install Origin? According to wikipedia, there's 30 Origin exclusive games. You'll miss on them.
Same deal with Blizz.
Don't want to install Steam? You're missing out on hundreds, if not thousands of games.
I don't like it, but it is how it is.
As far as I know, there's no gog exclusives, other than games that were abandonware.

>>385851079
>burger king isn't competition to mcdonalds because they don't sell the big mac

????

>>385852006
>Origin isn't competition because most people who buy EA games are console gamers
those two things are nonsequitur

It doesn't matter that EA does more console games. They have an online platform designed for PC gamers and includes all of their PC games. It actively competes against Steam by offering EA based games that you won't find on steam. Its no different than any other brand store selling only those branded items that you won't find at another store.

>its not competition because I said so.
>ubisoft is going out of business
no they aren't
>won't last till next year
yea ok, when ubisoft announces it I'll believe it but until then they're still actively competing against steam.

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>>385852683
>food analogy

>>385852342
That literally doesn't matter. The fact that Origin, Uplay and the other platforms exist and offer things you can't get on steam is ACTIVELY competing against steam

No amount of excuses you come up with will change that.

>>385852813
unrionically my favorite thing about /v/ anymore

i wonder if /ck/ ever makes vidya analogies

>>385852940
>You can't just add sriracha to everything like video game developers put open world into everything

You guys are autistic. The difference between Steam or GOG and Origin, battle.net, or uplay is that the former set invites third parties to sell their games there.

>>385853220
and thats the only difference. None of those differences stop origin from being a direct competitor to Steam

They both participate in the PC gaming market, THEY BOTH COMPETE THATS IT

Everyone want its own 'steam' nowadays. Activision Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft etc

ITT:
Faggots be they console faggots or never happy faggots they are still faggots non the less

>>385845018
>is free
>supports cd-keys
>games are often cheap
>can refund
huh, really makes me think

>>385853345
Why would they let the steam take a cut on their product sale if they can sell it on their own platform? It seems to me it makes sense, I'd even say the future is probably with more and more, one for each big company. This is the future you chose. I never used steam myself, I have been pirating games since this cancer exists.

>>385847482
Really lights up my noggin...

>>385846892
no way to toggle off group chat window flashes

>>385849482
Those are all literal non issues. In fact, the last issue is actually a benefit.

>>385850359
>it was added to nothing
it was added to your library and it also launches with steam overlay when you launch it through steam, so there is a difference

>>385849482
>Introduced paid mods
people started bitching so they stopped
>Introduced Early Access
>Zero quality control since Valve gets money off each copy sold
non issue, nobody forces you to buy shitty games, I never understood the problem. Not like other platforms don't have objectively shitty games (black tiger on ps4, etc)
>Trading cards encourage building a backlog
yeah, so what? they literally do nothing and are useless collectibles
>Sales are garbage now since people realized key resellers are actually cheaper
...keys that you activate in Steam. And that's still cheaper than any other platform

>>385848593
>being this autistic

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What happened to Steam Machine and Steam OS?

>>385856342
nobody bought them, and it is perfectly understandable, it's a glorified shittier PC
however that experience allowed volv to expand into hardware market and produce htc vive and steam controller, which are pretty good as I've heard

>>385853305
That's like saying Intel and Nvidia compete because they both make GPUs.

>>385845018
What is their logo suppose to be?

>>385846823
for now

>>385853884
>is free
except for the games you have to buy, which are more expensive than anywhere else on the internet
>supports cd-keys
which >is free
>supports cd-keys
Having to activate CD key online is not a good thing
>games are often cheap
see above
>can refund
that's just an excuse for not having quality control or customer service

>>385846823
>free
how? you still have to buy the games.

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>>385845018
I'd rather do this then deal with shit like tv shows where it's netflix, hulu, hbo go, amazon prime and I'm sure even more.

>>385857237
A patapon

>>385848593
New to computers?

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>>385858057
> which are more expensive than anywhere else on the internet
>Slime rancher on GOG 13.39
>Slime rancher on Steam 13.39
>prices are extremely similar unless gog is having a sale then so what steam does that too.

Really, well I guess it makes you think huh?

>>385857284
just like literally everything ever. the fact that time exists is not a very good argument.

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>>385857237
A steam piston

As i don't play multiplayer or indie games, i don't know what's wrong with it. I just know that their prices are really cheap and they provide a great service. I have zero (0) complaints with Steam. Based Gabe putting PC games at my reach.

>>385859187
https://isthereanydeal.com/search/?q=slime+rancher#/page:game/price?plain=slimerancher

Humble Store already had that sale in May. If you waited for the Steam sale you are an idiot.

In Eurozone it's cheaper on Humble and GoG than Steam because better conversion rates.

If you do price comparison you always get the same deal as Steam months earlier or a better price to begin with.

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>>385858057
>>385858702
>you still have to buy the games.
Is that really what you're going with? Because we both know damn well that they're talking about free online play. That said, I'll play along and point out that I've gotten Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Battleblock Theater, Dead Space 2, DiRT 3 complete edition, Divekick, Far Cry 2, Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams, Gigantic, Guacamelee super edition, Hitman: Absolution, Insurgency, Jotun, Long Live The Queen, 2 Metro games, Monaco, Red Orchestra 2: HoS, 2 Serious Sams, Sniper Elite V2, Supreme Commander 2, and Torchlight for free over like 3 years of being on Steam and keeping my eyes open. A few of those are from threads where someone dropped a key and I was lucky enough to get it.

IIRC I have gotten zero free games on my PS4, which admittedly I've only had for about a year and keep in a backpack in case any friends without a console want to play some games.

>>385860507
Online play has always been free. If your argument is "at least Steam is better than consoles" you've already lost.

>>385848254
_ ______ ____ ____ _______

>>385860696
>Online play has always been free.
On Steam. If your argument consists of putting words in my mouth and ignoring facts then you've already lost.

>>385845018

The stranger thing is that people will attack it.

It's pretty inoffensive, and pretty avoidable.

>>385857284
forever, lol. letting people use it for free prints more money then ever charging a subscription for it

daily reminder that steam does not require drm to run their games unless the developer asks

daily reminder that gog now requires drm software to play some of its online games, but still calls itself drm free because "you dont need to download the drm...unless you want to play online"

daily reminder gog and steam are functionally identical and the only difference is the percentage of games without drm

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>>385848593
t. someone who has never used steam before

>>385863493
not that guy but it actually depends on the game, some are supported and have the overlay, some dont

Fuck this piece of shit, I would be ok with it if I didn't need to log in to my account to fucking play offline.

>>385863665
if the developer didnt ask valve to put drm on, you could. just go directly to the games folder and click the game .exe, itll run

if the developer didnt ask for steam drm

>>385845018
The ministry of defense tries to connect to me each time I log on

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>>385863898
holy shit its kim jong

>>385861154
I want to fuck that pikachu?

>>385850569
> clogging the system with garbage
Not an issue. You can find what you want.

>>385860218
I bought something I needed from a friend for pretty cheap once. I guess every store ever is pointless.

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>>385860696
>Online play has always been free.
Tell that to Microsoft, Sony, and soon Nintendo.

Also, >>385846823 said "streaming", not "Multiplayer", that anon is just an idiot.

You can stream your games across your local network and play them on your TV while your computer is in another room. Nvidia recently started charging a subscription to let people do that, Steam lets you do it for free.

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>>385849456
>sneak a book into your local library
>put it on the shelf
>book is literally in the library
"Yeah but it's not IN the library!"
-you

>>385865007
well it isnt, you check the book list its not in there

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it's scheduled to go down on tuesday for regular maintenence
there's nothing wrong

>>385865081
But if you go check the shelf, it is.

>>385846823
holy shit

>>385865307
which would make it on the shelf, not the library

>>385863235
Steam: need online authentication to install offline games

GoG: need online authentication to play online games

one of these is not like the other

>>385865418
The shelf is in the library

>>385847293
>Terrible customer service compared to fucking Origin of all things
>Success of the platform has ensured Valve will never make a video game ever again since they can just mooch off of community-created content and the profits of games sold by other developers
>Has created a de facto monopoly on the PC market because Steamtards refuse to support competition since they want all of their PC games tied to a single service
>When other companies DARE to create their own digital distribution clients so that they don't have to give Valve a cut of every sale Steamtards vilify them

>>385865487
>Steam: need online authentication to install offline games

wrong

>>385865580
no its on the floor

>>385865757
To install, yes it does.

>>385865817
On the floor in the library.

>>385865843
nope

>>385846823
holy shit consolecuck OP got B T F O

>>385865910
no, thats like saying your wallets part of the library because you walked in

>>385865684
Valve has only ever made one game series, anon: Half LIfe. Everything else in their catalogue was a game that already existed, which they paid the modder/dev to remake under their name so they could charge money for it.

>>385865757
>>385865917
try it.
backup a steam game > go into offline mode >try to install it
Steam will tell you you can't install games in offline mode

>>385866064
The shelf is a vital part of the library. Books on the shelf are books in the library.

>>385866108
oh, you dont mean install it, you mean acquire a copy of the files from steam. big difference. if you just copy the files and move it to a computer without steam, and hit play, itll run

>>385866195
and putting a non-steam game into steam isnt putting it in the shelf, its your wallet and you walked in

>>385866094
I know. Valve's M.O. has always been to find any way they can to exploit community-created content for profit.

Half-Life 1 is the only good game they've ever made, which is ironic since it was effectively community-created Quake content.

>>385866198
not the guy who you were originally replying but I do that with some of my games because my ssd is quite small and I have slow download speed but every time I do that the Steam does some integrity check and always ends up downloading SOMETHING

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>>385866108
I just tried it, you're wrong.

>>385866198
no dumbfuck. Even if you have a local backup you can not install a game that uses Steam DRM without an active connection to the Steam authentication server.

>>385866363
which isnt necessary if you dont download it from steam but another source or harddrive

>>385866371
>being offline in friends
>same as being in offline mode
nice bait

>>385866465
lol.

you literally can. ftl being the first example that comes to mind, you can LITERALLY copy and paste the steam folders files for that to a computer that has literally never had steam installed, and hit play. i know this because...i do this.

steam is only required if the publisher REQUESTS it. this is how steam got game companys to jump onto/use steam in the first place, because everyones first question is "how can i make sure i keep my money". the ftl team didnt.

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>>385866241
It's your local library, anon, not the Library of Alexandria. You can put whatever book you want on any shelf you want.

And if you want to put your wallet on the shelf, you can do that too.

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>>385866631
lol

some publishers not using Steam DRM doesn't change the fact that a lot of them do and Steam has been an online authenticating DRM service that doesn't let you install your games without an internet connection since 2004.

>>385867037
and you can rename that to anything you want because steam is literally looking at a shortcut

>>385866371
Being able to sign into friends means you're online, retard. Disconnect your internet entirely or restart Steam in offline mode.

>>385866631
Lots of devs didn't, at least on Linux practically everything doesn't require Steam to be running.

That's actually a really good reason to use Steam it has the largest library of games that are available regardless of what platform you're running.

>>385867103
Well yeah, if you own the book you can deface it however you want.

>>385845018
Did they fix the Early Access games going Live refund thing from Killing Floor? Long Dark went live and I'd love to refund it for twice as much as I paid.

>>385867085
its the publishers fault. steam even charges you less if you dont request it.

>>385867207
so the library dosent own it? then its not in the library

>>385867208
steam remembers what you paid

>>385867294
>Valve implements most draconian DRM ever seen for Half Life 2
>Allows other publisher to use it
>Somehow it's not Valve's fault

>>385867342
The question stands edited, can I still use the Early Access going live from Killing Floor 2 to get my 17 stembux back

>>385867390
>steam HAS to implement this or no one will use the system, publishers demand it
>its steam fault

>>385866470
so if I download from steam -> move to external -> delete -> move back to pc, its suddenly not the same?

>>385867294
It's not in the library's official registry.

But it IS factually and physically "in" the library, and available to you should you go back to the library.

>>385865684
>one client

How the fuck is this a bad thing? You WANT 16+ clients to play all yur games?

>vilify other clients

This is third party competitors fault. Theu tend to be shitty like uplay or malicious like origin

As a counter example, when the last time you saw some one bitch about battle.net

>>385867464
Valve had this system years before any other publisher. They literally invented this crap.

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>>385845018
I haven't had any problems with steam since they changed from the old green skin to the black one.
And yet, I wish we could go back to that era. Ice theme master race

>>385867545
well, technically its changed, its got a more recently moved date, so yes. what are you asking?

a better example would of been to say to move it to a different pc. its the same, but it still runs, no steam authentication required

>>385867718
yes, because publishers wouldnt use/want it without it.

there is literally nothing stopping any publisher from releasing drm free games on steam, and steam does not penalize you in any way for it, even giving you a discount if you dont use it because its less maintenance or bandwith.

>>385867883
If Valve hadn't forced this shitty DRM on Half Life 2 and Counter Strike it would have been rejected by the PC audience and no publisher would be able to use it today.

Valve popularised online DRM.

>>385868040
you could still play those games without steam, and they didnt reject it.

and dosent matter. publishers chose it, and if it didnt exist, they would still be using other older drm systems, which did exist

>>385868264
Half Life 2 was literally encrypted on the disk and required an online connection to Steam servers to be decrypted.

Counter Strike used WON before Steam, which Valve shut down so everyone had to use Steam.

>>385867765
>its got a more recently moved date
That's not stored as part of the data itself, that's part of the drive's index. That's why you can have 0-byte empty files with long names.

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so, will anti-Valve fags ever provide an argument against Valve? (besides the obvious one which NOBODY defens, which is trying to monetize fucking mods)

>don't have to pay an extra fee to play online (lolconsoles)
>steam workshop
>offline mode
>family share
>VAC (of course it's not perfect, but name me a system that works perfectly)
>steam overlay for screenshots, streaming, text chat and voice chat
>steam communities
>some games are free
>sales you wouldn't believe existed, some games even going out for $10, $5, $1, even for fucking free at times
>verify game cache usually fixes installation issues
>no restrictions on crossplat, when it exists it comes from the other platforms

I'm here waiting for you to convince me to hate Valve, yet I haven't seen a single argument that held water against them (besides what I already mentioned about paid mods)

>>385863882
Nice, didn't know that. I guess eventually you need to login, right? no way these fucking kikes would let you stay offline forever.

>385869462
>offline mode
Games always worked offline before Steam. How is that a feature?

>>385869462
"Things like Early Access and Greenlight are ruining video games" Is a pretty good point, but we're well past the point where that's exclusive to Steam.

My biggest complaint about steam is that they don't do rolling maintenance. If the community server I'm connected to goes down, there should be another one for me to connect to. I shouldn't have to wait 1-2 hours before I can play games that use Steamworks for their network connectivity.

This is why I generally try to avoid games that use Steamworks.

>>385868641
>jumps from half life 1 to 2
okay

>there WAS drm that was popular before steam
okay, still not sure what your argument is

>>385869247
yeah your right

>>385869817
no, forever. you could even run two copies at once and share it on any torrent site. because...the real kikes are the ones who click the little tickbox saying make sure people who buy my game cant play it the way they want.

>>385870401
>Can't read
>Is too young to remember Half Life 2 release
typical Valve drone

>>385870618
Do you remember the events leading up to its release? Where the source code for Half Life 2 got leaked multiple times while it was still in Alpha?

That's probably why they took all those extra measures.

>>385846956
(they can't)

>>385870618
to make sure you didnt play it before it was "out". interestingly enough, half life 2 and its dlc do NOT need steam to run, even valve themselves dont bother with their own drm for some games.

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>>385848412
No you are definitely retarded I'm sorry to break it to you.......

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>>385871301
fug, i wish i was home i want that metal slug

>>385871301
thanks for metal slug anon!!!!

>>385871140
Steam was announced and went into beta long before the leak.

>>385871140
they only removed the DRM like 10 years after the game was released

The original disc is still completely worthless as you will never be able to install Half Life 2 from it without an active internet connection and the correct Steam credentials that you originally registered the cd key with.

>>385871450
Steam was around, but it was just a simple all-in-one program for people to play a small handful of games online, where you could register your copy and browse servers.

>>385871450
sure, but once its installed you can remove and never use steam again and play half life 2.
>10 years
yeah, because steam dosent care if your stealing it or not. again, its purely determined by the publisher if theres drm or not on the game.

>>385845018
There is literally no good game that exclusively available on steam, its either available physically, without DRM, or on another client.
for example Witcher 3, GTA V, Rainbow Six siege..etc

Steam is just a social hotspot for showelware and autism.

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>>385845018
>leasing games is bad
>even though by the time the lease expires the game will be public domain and completely free to obtain

>>385861239
>On Steam
>Community servers
>Paid solely by community donators
>On Steam

>>385871332
>>385871403
metal slug 3 has a shitty port on steam, 2 is probably shit too

>>385845018
>paying for games you dont actually own
>needing a bloated cancerigen client to play them

steam is shit

>>385874703
>public domain
>The Lord of the Rings
>Published : 29 July 1954
>Still under copyright
this amount of stupid is insulting.

>>385875232
if the publisher didnt request drm you dont need it
>you totally owned games before
lol

>>385875290
>a movie
lol

>>385875290
If it was originally published in my country, the texts would enter the public domain in 2029.

>>385875290
lord of the rings books will go public domain in 2028 posibbly. material made after and authored by other people dont count in this regard

>>385846745
torrents

>>385875290
Isn't the steam lease 99 or 100 years?
It isn't 2053 yet

>>385875384
>movie
please anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings

>>385875405
>>385875536
that's 74years after initial release

>>385875975
steam is a service and can update its terms whenever it likes. even expend them.
remember that you'll always need steam to play the games, so you have to agreed to their shit or you won't be able to play anything.

>>385854543

and no way to disable group notifications

>>385846892

countless, but let's start with DRM, and a single company who is also a game developer/publisher controlling distribution on the entire platform.

Origin is not really sufficient competition, and EA is also shit, win10 store is also shit, but everything about this takes the PC, an open platform, and turns it into a closed one.

>>385846892
it's a console but except for all hardware, it's only console from the software side.

>>385846961

>kali
>ten
>mplayer
>heat.net
>won

I won't mention the dogshit that was microsoft gaming zone, gameplay, etc, but most of these services were fucking golden.

also steam is literally spyware harvesting your pc info for their survey and such

>>385876719
who?

>>385876142
well then look at the applicable date for each media, find whose considered the owner and wait 70 years after their death

>>385876142
>remember that you'll always need steam to play the games
only if the publisher requested drm

>>385876719
i miss mplayer and heat
i don't miss gamespy though

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>>385877067
>wait 70 years after their death

>>385848368
A service that doesn't exist at all

aka buying/pirating games without DRM, owning them, not having updates shoved down your throat, and not having to worry about Steam going down

>>385877114
i like to play good games

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What if early access was modified so that games could be refunded at any at any point in time in their early access life cycle regardless of play time or how long ago the game was bought? This would be a good way to incentivize developers to stop stalling and get to work on their game.

>>385877578
>not having updates shoved down your throat
you can opt-out of updates for games senpai

>>385878113
thought the whole point of early access was so they could get money to further development of the game

think they should up the time atleast to 5/10hours instead of 2 for those games

>>385878386
It is, and they can still get money with my proposed change. If the devs are working hard and making good progress then customers should be satisfied with their money and not want a refund. If the devs stall or make a big fuck up with their game, they get properly punished with all their customers refunding it.

>>385846745
>>385846961
>>385848368
GOG.

>>385879004
would be nice if you could hold an amount back and only give whenever you feel like you're satisfied

>>385879414
>No community market
nigger how am i suppose to eat?

>>385877496
if you want shit for free nigga, gotta wait

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>>385878113
>>385858057
>>385853884
>>385852103
>Refund game on Steam
>Get threatened to be banned from Steam after the fifth refund because Valve is a crybaby who can't accept the EU/Australian ruling regardless that they were found guilty of violating consumer rights and being to defiant to the very end about showing their financial reports even when demanded by a judge.
But fulfilling the bare minimum requirements to avoid paying those pro-consumerists a fine is okay, because crying abuse and banning people who use their full consumer rights is okay when Valve does it, right?

>>385879658
>free shit after you're death
nigga, imma be dead in 70years

>>385880261
then buy it ya poorfag. anyways, the point was the lease is longer then that. unless your still playing games when your 150 years old itll be fine

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>>385879940

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I won't this was the last Straw for me.

I bought a game that had nudity I'm in my twenties and shouldn't have to put in extra effort to uncensor a game I bought to play it the way it was meant to be.

>>385880354
that's the problem. having copyright laws that expand past any one human's lifespan is ludicrous

>>385879940
>5th refund
what the fuck? how dumb are you to buy so much shit you need to return?

>>385880489
>dumb
that's kinda the point, you can abuse the system as much as you like.

>>385880489
>Early access
>FotM
>Games not working
Made me reply to your bait.
Guy's right as fuck though. Valve shouldn't ban people based on an arbitrary refund limit and instead look for repeated behavior.

>>385880475
its actually incredibly important that a copyright doesnt expire when you die

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>>385880386
Man that's alot of bait.

No one defends half the shit your bitching about in this image/cares about certain things. What the fucks wrong with making a casual game?

>>385880954
it's indefensible that it has to be +70years AFTER you die.
patents last 20years after they're created, copyright should too.

We live in a world -RIGHT NOW- where a drawing of a cock is valued higher in court than fucking medicine that could save a billion people.

>>385845018
It has it's ups and downs
And all competition is garbage. Origin, Ubi etc

>>385859270
what you just said is obscenely retarded

When you buy a game on steam, you get more than just the ability to play that game in a locked down environment.

>You can redownload a game at 100mbps without searching for a torrent
>You get a community *
>You get to stream your games from your main computer to other computers on your network *
>Your gamesaves get automatically backed up in the cloud
>You get automatic updates

*note, you can simply go to the Steam Community forums and setup Non-Steam games for this, but it isn't as seamless

Before I'm accused as a Steam shill, I foresee Steam being replaced someday. Imagine a free open-source version of Steam that fills its game library with not only games you pay for, but free and abandonware games as well and totes all of the features that Steam has and more. I would call it "Fream" (portmaneau of free and steam)

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>>385881140
>What the fucks wrong with making a casual game?

>>385881253
but thats exactly why copyrights can be so long while patents are not, because a drawing of a cock cant save millions of peoples lives

>>385857162
and they do

If Intel wasn't there to make GPU's every laptop would have a separate Nvidia GPU device

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>>385881317
When did /v/ despise casual games? There's nothing wrong with a game that's meant to be enjoyed by everyone.

Mario and Sonic are casual shit but we make threads about em all the time.

>>385881413
>what is collusion

>>385881295

>You can redownload a game at 100mbps without searching for a torrent
Any other service allows you to re-download the game at high-speeds(except sony)
Also you never had to search for a torrent in the first place when you already bought the game.

>You get a community *
Games make communities, you be part of any community by simply playing the game or talk on related websites, like right now, we're not on a actual gaming website but a containment board.

>You get to stream your games from your main computer to other computers on your network *
You don't need steam to do this and frankly it's a nice little feature in steam, noone i know uses it and i could live without it, entirely subjective if that matters or not and again, you don't need steam for that.

>Your gamesaves get automatically backed up in the cloud
Every other service already does this(except uplay)

>You get automatic updates
Some people on here don't like those. Again, all other services do this.

Please if you're going to defend steam, atleast come with something original. Like the community market and the fact that you can make a living just trading virtual items on it.

>>385881295
>I foresee Steam being replaced someday
i foresee that the sun will burn out someday

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>>385881295
That sounds beautiful anon.

It wouldn't surprise me if it force steam to do the same. Of course it's only a matter of time till something better comes along and fills the hole steam left behind.

No one remember Xfire but that used to be the best means of communicating to other pc friends while also playing vidya.

>>385881597
>SHE IS NEW
LEL

>>385881908
>to other pc friends while also playing vidya.
MSN.

>>385846823
>>385847293
>>385850641
>>385853884
>>385869462
>>385861239
>Steam
>Free
Reminder that you need to pay Valve at least 5 (five) dollars/euros/pounds to access the community feature because "muh scamming".

>>385882090
Xfire was better though. MSN still is around and i'm not sure if it will ever go away. It's still being used by old people.

Xfire is around as well but it's obsolete because steam outshines it.

>>385867687
Because wanting a single platform is inherently anti-competitive. You are advocating for a full monopoly in the PC digital distribution sector. You are deliberately stating that you want PC gaming to function exactly like console gaming, where all of your games are behind a proprietary walled garden.

>You WANT 16+ clients to play all yur games?
Ideally, I want no clients, but we can't live in that kind of world because Steamtards have forced this bad future upon PC gaming through their lack of skepticism or foresight.

>This is third party competitors fault. Theu tend to be shitty like uplay or malicious like origin
No, it is YOUR fault. I have never had an issue launching a game from UPlay and Origin is not malicious at all. I have pirated EA games on my computer and Origin doesn't give a shit.

Valve created this situation, you allowed it, and now you bitch about it. You have no right to complain about other clients when they only exist because other publishers got tired of giving 30% of revenue to Valve for doing NOTHING but hosting a store page. Why should they do that when they can host their own store page and keep 100% of revenue?

>>385882348
>MSN is still around
Only in China.
https://www.theverge.com/2014/8/29/6082199/msn-messenger-shutting-down-15-years-history

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It's still better than any other service, both pc and console.

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>>385882470
How was I not informed this?

Rip

>>385882469
>Steamtards have forced this bad future upon PC gaming through their lack of skepticism or foresight.
nope, it was the competitions fault for ignoring the PC market for SO long.

Also making a platform that's better than steam isn't hard to imagine but nobody seems to take it seriously enough.
Think the biggest competitor against Steam is Origin(GOG? nah, it's not big enough) Origin has games that will make people download and install it. New games, new titles people want to play. GOG has like... witcher?

>>385882784
Because Microshit wants you to use Skype®.

>>385882549
>underaged
>chicks
MODS!!!!!!!!

>>385882890
>nope, it was the competitions fault for ignoring the PC market for SO long.
They never ignored the PC market.

>>385883081
>First real competition against Steam came over half a decade after Steam's initial launch
>They never ignored the PC market.

>>385883237
You're completely forgetting physical releases, anon. Also, plenty of publishers were using Steam for digital distribution until they started understanding just what they were doing.

>>385882890
GOG have alot of older game that steam don't so they do have the retro niche.

>>385883357
>plenty of publishers were using Steam for digital distribution until they started understanding just what they were doing.
that's exactly my point

>>385883436
Then they weren't ignoring the PC market, were they?

>>385883427
>they do have the retro niche.
alot of those games are easily downloadable as many of them are all over the web
even then the GOG versions can still be shitty old DOSBox shit, with no addition content or effort.
If GOG released the source code for all the "old" games you bought i would jump on it immediately but no.(do keep in mind that GOG has actually bought the rights to alot of the old games they're reselling in DOSBox format)

>>385880924
>if you do a 30 second google search before buying something, you're a trollermeister xD
holy shit, this place is way below where I thought it'd be

@385883632
OK.

>>385883465
they were by not competing with steam.

imagine if there only was one console and everyone would only sell games on that console.
that's steam, you're not competing with the creator of that console, you're contributing to it.

if they cared about PC they would have atleast spent a tiny fraction of their billions of dollars on a shitty client that could deliver games to people.

>>385882263
are you trying to claim that scamming doesn't exist, or that isn't a problem?

>>385883764
what do you want me to say? that people shouldn't do the most basic research before buying something?

>>385883969
I'm implying Steam's online isn't completely free and Valve is charging more than what would be required/justified to prevent actual scammers.

>>385863882
Bullshit, just tried with darksouls and it doesn't launch.

>>385884419

What features are unavailable to me?
Limited users are prevented from accessing several features on Steam, including but not limited to:
Sending friend and group invites
Opening group chat
Voting on Steam Reviews and Workshop items
Participating in the Steam Market
Posting frequently in the Steam Discussions
Gaining Steam Profile Levels (Locked to level 0) and Trading Cards
Submitting content on the Steam Workshop
Posting in an item's Steam Workshop Discussions
Accessing the Steam Web API
Using browser and mobile chat
Adding public artwork and screenshots
Creating Steam groups
Counting towards Steam group membership

seems to me I can still chat and voice chat, as well as stream, take screenshots and play games online

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>>385883616
Alot of those other websites require you to setup dosbox and fuck with configure other shit to get started. With gog like steam it's a click of a button away and there are some conveniences like being able to update and downgrade your version.

There's also things like fan mods and patches being in some games like kotor and Vampire of the masquerade.

It's on steam levels of quality and optimization capabilities it's just lacking in community and half the community options like steam workshop and what not steam offers.

You gotta give em props. There the underdog and in terms of quality I feel as if there getting there.

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>>385865487
>Steam: need online authentication to install offline games
Let's be clear here: is anyone actually arguing that you shouldn't be handshaking with the Steam online service that makes sure that you actually own the game? Anyone with a throwaway account and a downloaded backup folder could install every game that way.

>>385884426
which has gfwl drm

>>385867085
>you can't download stuff when you are offline

Wow this guy just exposed Valve so hard.

>>385884801
that's what these people are trying to demand from Steam, .exes that they can just download from anywhere or e-mail their friends that just installs the game

>>385884913
GFWL was removed years ago, though it does have Steamworks or whatever it's called atm

>>385884689
Except you have no access to Steam friends at all with a limited account.
And the fact they charge $1.5 per 5 friend slot past 100 even for unlimited accounts to force down that Steam level bullshit

>>385848030
>using Linux for anything other than system administration/coding.
I have to admit. Linux is a fucking great OS. But as of now, no because majority of good stuff isn't available and Wine isn't perfect.

>>385885029
oh, well, thats the actual name for steam drm, steamworks. on any game that has it, itll say so on the side. interesting that steams dark souls page dosent say that for this one.

>>385881271
So is defending any cucksole, what's your point?

Seriously, name one prcatice, from Sony, that isn't anti-consumer.

>>385885151
Nigger you don't have 100 friends. You'll never have that many friends in your entire fucking life.

You have a bunch of random fucks that could be deleted at any point without repercussion. That's what you have.

>>385885391
>>385885151
>>385884689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrS2Bh4cc0&t=10m39s

>>385880386
To be fair, CSGO is a mediocre game.

>>385845018

So what exactly are we supposed to use that has as many users and games as it, not to mention plenty of useful features?

I mean that seriously, steams flaws are fucking inexcusable but there's literally nothing better.

>>385858702
You have to buy those "cinematic experiences" on your PedoStation4.

Just because your mom pays for it, doesn't mean those games are free.

Is this the best argument you have?

Please, never join the master race, you are not welcome in our community.

>>385885151
This is only true for newfags.

>>385885816
>>385885543

>>385869462
>but name me a system that works perfectly
The system in Overwatch. People that previously cheated that buy Overwatch again will still be banned if they're using the same computer or billing info.

CAPTCHA: Welcome to Steingasse

>still can't completely disable big picture mode
Absolute shit
>durr play all your favorite ported games with a nice gamepad on steam but be sure you don't press the home button or it'll alt tab into our shitty big picture mode and completely ruin your experience

>>385885793
hey reddit

>>385845018
It is still better than Gamestop.

>>385865980
As per usual.

I can't believe there are people who are backwards enough to still defend obsolete hardware, paid subscriptions, shitty company practices, zero customization, multiple planned hardware "upgrades" during each console generation, constant lies (ex: 4k), gimmicks, etc, etc...

People defend this.
You are fucking stupid.

>>385884785
>uses greasemonkeys
>no scripts on 4chan
>:(

>>385886035

When does this happen? I've played third person games with controllers on Steam for years and never had a problem.

>>385886035

But it's so new age and high tech anon, how else are we supposed to deal with the fact that we wast-USED all that money to make big picture besides shoving it into your face every second?

>>385845018

>people will defend that Valve doesn't have a skeleton crew of pajeets that work night shift

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>>385886281
Happened to me less than half an hour ago when playes Tales of Symphonia. I pressed the start button (yes, start. not even the home button) on my 360 gamepad and it tabbed me out of the game. Wow dude there was literally nothing I could do.

>>385847738
Lol. The irony.

Sonyqueers are like religious weirdos sorry sucking their shepherds tiny gook peen.

>>385886329
who doesn't

>>385885917
>get banned on someone elses computer
>they cant use their own account on it

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>>385847482
ancient gif

>>385885543
>youtuber complaining has he has too many "friends"

Again, what's your point? They are not friends. He's never talked to them. He's never interacted or played with them either. It's not a real issue anyone would ever have outside friend collectors.

>>385885912
I have 400 friends list slots and I've never spent a cent on any of that steam level shit, and I'll never fill 400 slots anyway.

>>385885917
Overwatch? the game that bans you if you focus too much on killing someone, or if you play with m+k on consoles? bur

>>385886423

I just went to Settings -> Controller -> General Controller Settings and turned on "PS4 Configuration Support." Loaded a game, and I could toggle Big Picture on and off with the stupid PS button.
Turned it back off, no more big picture. See if that helps.

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>people will defend paying for a digital "copy" of a game

>>385845018

>buy physical
>pay full price for games

>use torrents
>enjoy your miners

>use GOG
>enjoy your blatant ripoffs of torrents but with money thrown away

>>385887436

All copies of games are digital. Keeping the data on a shiny plastic disk doesn't change that.

>>385887613
Huge difference between actually owning a copy while not being required to use a "service" like Steam and just having a license from Steam to play the game. How much is Gabe paying you?

>>385881271
no, attempting to use the fact that 'anything can happen' as a serious argument is obscenely retarded

>>385849482
>Steam has literal porn on it
>nobody complains

I don't understand.

>>385887825

Explain to me the HUGE difference between keeping your data on outdated physical media and keeping it on an SSD.

>>385887825
So crack your game.

>>385887825
>actually owning a copy
You don't own your game. You own a storage medium to put its 1s and 0s on, and you're granted a license which legally permits you to access those 1s and 0s. This is true no matter which platform you're on. Steam or Sony; Gabe or Reggie.

>>385856502
i can confirm, i love using my steam controller for a good selection of games. the gyro with fps games is fucking awesome.

>>385879652
with pennies?
lolno

Steam doesn't have a Policy enforcement team run by a bunch of cucks that ban you for talking shit back to the douche who sent you hate mail in the first place.

>>385886035
Uh... Why would that be a problem? Accidentally pressing the home button is your own fault. I don't see people complaining that pressing the home button completely ruins your experience when the PS4 home menu appears.

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>>385889905
For future use

>>385891564
see >>385886423

Also with ps you can just press the button again; with windows you have to move your body and reach alt tab on your keyboard or use your mouse.