Choose.

both are overrated trash, how about I choose neither

Final Fantasy changes into a new form of shit every time, but at least it changes. FF erry time.

>>385820054
Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good in over a decade and their games are not fun to play.

I like both

>>385820513
I don't understand.

I grew up playing FF, but Dragon Quest is more comfy. I only played VIII on PS2

FF has Tactics.

So FF.

Here's a better question: Why isnt Dragon Quest as popular as Final Fantasy in the west?

Every Dragon Quest game is the same shit with different characters. At least FF changes up the formula and battle system and stuff.

Not to mention the art style of DQ is trash. FF has a better aesthetic but it's 2deep4u tryhard shit.

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DQ no hesitation. The quality of each DQ title is to p notch and they don't blow their creative load on shit like having the best graphics. Gameplay has come first and it's so good it didn't need adjusting.

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Dragon Quest.

FFXIII and FFXV have kinda ruined the franchise for me.

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>>385820942
Changes things up for a unpolished shitshow of mashing ideas. They change it to run away from Dragon Quest because they known they can't beat it.

>>385820054
dragon quest. FF needed to die after xii. everything after that has been ultra shit.

>>385820054
One year earlier and I'd say FF, but DraQue is my passion now. Too addictive.

>>385820942
that's because DQ series focuses on telling completely different stories in different ways.

ff tells the exact same retarded ass 5th grader story over and over for ever.

Dragon Quest never came here so I have to go with FF

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Dragon Quest.
I can't even get into Final Fantasy, and I tried. On that note, the replies here prove FFfags are edgy teenagers that need some deep story and any sign of lighthearted fun triggers them.

>>385820054
Yes

>>385822049
>most of the responses are pro DQ or disliking both
retard alert

>>385820054
dragon quest is so much better it isn't even a competition to me, i do respect FF for changing it up but somehow they frequently manage to make it worse and worse

>>385822313
Thanks for proving my point.

>>385822049
Majority of the posts in the thread are people that are pro Dragon Quest???

>>385822517
Calling you a retard is not edgy you dumbass So no, it doesn't.

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>>385820054
Dragon Quest

>>385822635
If you weren't a shitty teenager, you wouldn't see a problem with my reply.

>>385822643
Ranging from weird guy to casual, I'm okay with this

>>385822806
Ironic, because your comprehension skills are comparable to a teenager. You assumed people in the thread were talking shit about DQ and dismissed them as "edgy". And as shown you are wrong.
Once again, calling you what you are is not edgy. An incorrect retard.

>>385822643
>dabbed into all tiers
Ys VIII soon.

>>385822643
>Drakengard
>Weaboo
>Not "Weird Guy"
It was a mediocre game inspired by Western RPG aesthetics that gained a cult following. It's nowhere near as weeb as something like Disgaea.

>>385820054
Neither.
>>385822643
Nice bait list.

>>385822980
Yet I triggered you enough to use a childish comment like retard.

>>385822980
Christ, can you just relax?
Reading this shit is cringe worthy.

Just talk about the RPGs please.

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>>385820054

>>385820054
FF has literally always been better, even in the dark ages of FF13.

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How do I even get into Dragon Quest? I played VIII and loved the art, music, and world, but the gameplay is just so bare bones.

>>385820054
I don't see the appeal of Dragon Quest. They keep rehashing the same formula every time. They pass off poor game design and cliche story telling as good.

>>385821436
you're missing one. play-asia not deliver, yet?

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>>385823287
>loved the art, music, and world, but the gameplay is just so bare bones.
that's JRPGs for you.

>>385823287
You start with Dragon Warrior on the NES.

>>385823287
If you don't like the gameplay, you're not going to like any of the DQ games. They all follow the same formula of keeping it simple. Some people like it. Looks like you don't.

>>385823175
>>385823185
And he's still going folks...

Final Fantasy Franchise > Dragon quest Franchise by far

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Dragon Warrior

Then Final Fantasy

Dragon Warrior 4 was a perfect game.

>>385823287
That's going to be all mainline DQ games. They're the most basic and original when it comes to game play, but the worlds, music, characters, etc are great and really push the series forward.

>>385823374
Are we discussing X or XI? Because I unfortunately cannot read runes, so I'm waiting for the localization. Which is fine, because I got other games to play.

>>385823364
The irony is that Dragon Quest III and IV were actually very progressive games.

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>>385823530

>>385820054
DQ by far

>>385820054
I honestly can't fathom how anyone could possibly enjoy Dragon Quest. The only one I can see myself potentially enjoying is VII if I really put in effort.

>>385820054
Dragon Quest is JRPGs for underaged kids and senile fucks.

Final Fantasy is JRPGs for fujoshis.

>>385820054
Dragon Quest.
They still make spinoffs that aren't mad gay.

>>385820830
Enix never had a foothold in the West, and they didn't market the first game properly.

>>385821342
>they don't blow their creative load on shit like having the best graphics
I mean sometimes they do. 6, 3 (SNES and GBC versions), 8 and now 11 are among the best looking games of their respective platforms.

11 is fucking gorgeous.

>>385823724
It's a comfort food game.
I can't stand Breath of Fire II or Phantasy Star 2, but I can play through Dragon Quest II.

>>385823638
>implying you didn't edit that
Just stop you raging autist, its over. You lost

>>385822049
Dragon Quest games generally have deeper storylines than most Final Fantasy titles.
The primary difference between FF games and Dragon Quest games are that FF games usually rely on a twist to create drama, while Dragon Quest games rely on character death and familial drama.

'inal 'antasy doesn trah tu make everyfin' talk like this guv'na.

>>385820830
>marketed like ass
>took inspiration from western games in the first place
I'm stll convinced some old gook is actively trying to stop it, we didn't even get the mobage.

>>385823987
>have deeper storylines than most Final Fantasy titles.
Lmao

>>385822517
>>385822806
>>385823175
You're impressively stupid, even for the median post quality on this board.

>>385824064
Whatever.

>>385823364
Often a given village+dungeon in the game is like an episode of a long running TV show. You know how it'll end, but it's nice to watch it happen.

>>385823792
As a senile fuck I can attest

>>385823987
>DQ Stories in a nutshell
>Oh no, evilguy is being evil
>Is he here? No, let's check this other island
>Is he here? No, we just missed him, let's check this other island....

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>>385823987
>Dragon Quest games generally have deeper storylines than most Final Fantasy titles.

>>385823886
>It's a comfort food game.

This. My favourite couple of FFs offer more than any DQ, but the worst Dragon Quest is still fun and the worst FFs are garbage

>>385824089

4, 5, and 6 are all unironically good fantasy epics.
7 takes that to another level.

The only Final Fantasy titles that even have good storylines are 4, 5 and 12.

>>385824195
You've only played Dragon Quest 8

>>385820054
Final Fantasy without a doubt. Sure it has a ton of shit and hasn't been great for years but it also has some amazing games unlike the mediocre shit that gets pumped out every iteration of DQ.

>>385823987
From what I played, DQ has had its share of twists. Some of the deaths do stick out, especially in V and IX.

>>385824195
>I am going to generalize the story
>this is a generalization of the story
>thus this is evidence it's bad
???

>>385820830
well as a person in the west, Dragon Quest looks too Japanese. Like it's clear the game was made for Japan first and foremost.

At least Final Fantasy has some semblance of western influence.

>>385823858
I think he meant they didn't sacrifice story in favor of optimal graphic. I mean, even DQXI still looks like PS2 games.

>>385824195
No final fantasy game made me sit through 2 minutes of a battle scene where my dad dies in front of me for my sake and I can't do anything to save him because I'm a defenseless child

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>>385824270
>5
>Good storyline
This is some next level of bait

>>385824275
There aren't any bad FF or Dragon Quest games. At their very worst they are still enjoyable experiences.

I wish /v/ actually liked videogames.

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old-FF > DQ
DQ > nu-FF

>>385824398
It doesn't look like a ps2 game and I wish this "this game has ps1/2 graphics" but never caught on.

>>385824393
What the shit

>>385824270
>You've only played Dragon Quest 8
Only DQ5. I just left out the forced-waifu section and how you were turned to stone for years so you can fight with your waifu's offspring.

>>385824460
I do like video games. Didn't I just say how I liked the good Final Fantasy games of the past?

>>385824456
He meant DQ5 not FF5

FF5's main pull was it's superb gameplay and world.

>>385820054
I like DQ and classic FF but I can't stomach modern FF.

>>385824456
it's like the Finnegans Wake of JRPG storylines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eavDvH6SGbs

I can't stand the art style they use for Dragon Quest. Everyone is fucking SAMEFACE.

>>385824398
>even DQXI still looks like PS2 game
Sure, the 3DS version.

>>385823886
I guess I get that. BoFII is one of my favorite games but I definitely wouldn't consider it an easy playthrough.

>>385823364
It's a series for oldfags who can't stand anything new.

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>>385824596
But you only really go "kill the evil guy" at the end of the game. The other parts are about trying to find your mother and your own origins to make up for your tragic past. While doing so you create your own family and give your children the thing you could never had: two loving parents to see them growing up. That's the final phrase that ends the game btw.

It's a tale about family and growing up. So if you didn't get that then you're just too dumb.

>>385824701
Confirmed for parroting others opinions. Try playing one of the games sometime.

I think the fact DQ hasn't jumped into the uncanny valley is another positive for the series. The anime/cartoon aesthetics of DQ are far more pleasing than looking at.

>>385824953
I don't even have to play the game. Every single official artwork and screenshot I see of the games always have that same fucking DBZ face.

>>385824918
>retroarch
ew

>>385824615
This must be that NES port of Dragon Quest VIII everyone raves about.

>>385823287
>How do I even get into Dragon Quest? I played VIII and loved the art, music, and world, but the gameplay is just so bare bones.
You don't. Part of the appeal is the simple gameplay.
It's fine, it just means the series isn't for you.

>>385820054
Shin Megami Tensei.

>>385824615
>this doesn't get censored
What the fuck is NoA doing?

>>385823493
>dude doesn't like simple, barebones gameplay
>recommend him the most simple and barebones JRPG in existence

>>385824994
I'll go full autismo here but standard Desmume has microstutter that Retroarch doesn't, and you can get perfect pixel scaling to any resolution with it.

>>385824993
>DBZ
Yeah, you're a sheep and a parrot.
Eat a cookie.

>>385825156
Show me one in-game screenshot of a modern Dragon Quest game that doesn't have Dragon Ball Sameface.

>>385820830
>Shit marketing
>Went years without any games multiple times, While FF never really had to deal with a 5+ year drought, since FF1 took like 3+ years after the Jap release to come out in NA, they just skipped straight to FF4 after that and called it FF2 here.

>>385824608
>FF5's main pull was it's superb gameplay and world.
>Superb gameplay
>Most classes are garbage, some with recycled abilities from other classes and the game is so piss easy you can use anything
>World
>When none of the locations have anything in it and might as well exist in their own floating pocket dimension

>>385820054
Where are a better waifus.

>>385825156
I mean he's not wrong, it's the same artist.

>>385824773
Mario is not weeaboo
Castlevania was not weaboo up until the later SNES games
Metal Gear Solid is not weeaboo
Sonic the Hedgehog is not weeaboo
Dark Souls isn't weeaboo

But all those games are Japanese

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>>385824993
Yeah, look at all this sameface.

>>385824994
Just spend the two minutes to set it up, anon. It's really not as autistic as it seems. Retroarch's DS emulation is also miles better than DeSuME or whatever.

The only bad DQ game is 2 and that's because they were still tinkering with how level balance work. FF however has more bad games than good.

>>385823579
Different guy, but you're also missing the DQ4 DS release.

Although I forgive you, because you already have the superior version. Greatest regret in my life is selling it at a flea market when I was 10. One day I'm going to cough up the cash to get a good copy of the world map and frame that shit.

Oh yeah, this thread reminded me that I need to finish up Memory Lane in DQ8 3DS
I think I was stuck on Marcello? Only a few fights to go after that fucker.

Final fantasy no question

fran and vaan and penelo and balthier have unbelievably hot asses

>>385825278
They all have the same face as Dragon Ball characters. I know it's the same artist but god damn nigga if you can't manage to make different faces after drawing for 30+ years then you're a hack.

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>>385825204
>inb4 the protagonist has it so all of them do

>>385825279
>Retroarch's DS emulation is also miles better than DeSuME or whatever.
That's a low bar to be fair

>>385825279
Except for Dragon Quest games where the audio in newer builds is completely fucked. I wanted to use high resolutions but I had to settle for an old build that didn't have the high res stuff built in. Still much better than Desmume anyway

Never played Dragon Quest
Dragon Quest

>>385825045
But what about Phantasy Star?

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>>385825204
>>385825249
Not only do you not know shit about Dragon Quest,
you know jack shit about Akira Toriyama.

>>385825336
I'm going to go back and get some of the ones I'm missing/spin-offs now. During the DS phase I focused on RPGs that I didn't have and avoided spin-offs. I also own Dragon Warrior VII on PS1, it's just put away since I don't use my PS1 very much.

Why does it matter when both is owned by the same company?

>>385825412
That's how most manga artists roll though. Toriyama's forte is drawing monsters anyway.

>>385825509
>>385825427
>>385825278
you're not proving him wrong btw

>>385825458
A weaboo is someone obsessed with japan and japanese shit
It is not an adjective for describing the videogames themselves

>>385825458
>Japan = weeaboo
It annoys me that people believe this and use it to destroy threads.

>>385825621
>him

>>385825621
But they did
No characters in either of those images have the same face as another

>>385825509
>literal purple hair bulma
>modified future trunks and goten
>long red hair no.18
yeah, no

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You get your free DQ11 PS4 theme from nippon psn yet, famalam?

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>>385825406
I'm going to be real with you.
I like Final Fantasy more. It's got guts.

But Dragon Quest, the games have ass.
Look at this shit. This is some next level sexy here.

>>385820054
Final Fantasy at least tries to change things up. Also the music in FFXIV blows the shit out of the MIDI crap they use in DQ.

>>385825412
It's funny because he's clearly capable of drawing different faces. He just chooses to.

Also his monster designs are wonderful.

>>385825751
Is there still just the one? My American account has my World of FF theme while my Japanese one has the DQXI one. It's a fun joke that utterly depresses me.

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>>385820054
I want to like both
But I hate turn based gameplay

I wish that shit would just stop
It isn't fun

>>385825716
if you ever watched dragon ball for 30 years then he's literally copy pasting the same faces but changing the eye color

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>>385825621
Nobody needs to prove him wrong, because anyone who likes DQ knows Toriyama's art is a big part of it. If you don't like it that's fine.

>>385825729
Here (You) are.

>>385825579
>How will I argue a point when there is no separate third party corporate gain to be had through competition?

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>>385820054
In their modern iterations, Dragon Quest easily.
I would have answered Final Fantasy just as easily prior to the PS2 era.

>>385825278
Seems to me he can't draw noses without facial hair too, and every other problem starts right there

>>385825879
That's actually not the case. Goku and Gohan look similar for obvious reasons but all of DB's characters have distinct features facial features.

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Is this still accurate?

>>385821650
Did you play 12? it was advertised in american theaters and it's great.

>>385825879
But that's wrong

>>385824603

All Final Fantasy games are good, anon.

>>385826081
someone needs to update this

>>385826176
I played the Android versions and those are fine.

>>385826081
XI got confirmed for a western release so that sticks out. I'm still anally devastated that X has been whored around on 3947392 different consoles but never got localized.

>>385826081
I have never seen this picture before but it's pretty accurate. I started with Option 1 because that's how I do things. Picked up DQ1 in December last year, and I'm onto DQ6 now. My nostalgia for the series is already pretty strong and it feels like I've been playing it for years.

There has never been a good Enix FF. So I guess DQ by default?

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>>385820054
On one hand i grew up with FF and never even bated an eye on DW/Q when growing up then pretty much being a old fart now is when i got into DQ. That being said. I'll go with...
Dragon quest. Shit is just as fun but better and modern DQ didnt hit the shitter like FF. It actually got better with DQ11

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>>385826057
which DBZ character is this

>>385826285
Vegeta

>>385826257
PLEASE TELL ME YOU CAN ROMANCE THE MARTIAL ART GIRL AND NOT THE BLONDE CHILDHOOD TROPE BITCH

PLEASE.

>>385820054
I already know what I'm getting with Dragon Quest these days because the formula is the same. Final Fantasy hasn't been good since XII.

>>385826176
They're both the ultimate masochistic die-hard JRPG experiences though. Specially DQ2. It gave me great pleasures from all of it's suffering as I came to enjoy the lash of the spanking.

>>385826081
>play them in sequential order
>you experience the game as intended by Yuji Horii
But Horii himself said that IV is the perfect game to play first.

>>385826285
Is that Vegeta?

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>>385826285

>>385826176
Eh. 1 can get kinda boring but it's real short.
2 is interesting but unbalanced.
But 3 is one of the best in the series and holds up phenomenally

>>385826346
I don't know how I got as far as I did in DQ2 without a guide as a kid, I really should go back and finish it sometime.

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>>385825283
I don't agree. Although it is funny that 2 is the worst of both series.

1) DQ released first and it shows. It doesn't do anything badly, but it's only half the game FF1 is.
2) DQ2 is mental torture, but FF2 is a broken mess. So many things are glitched in FF2.
3) Both games turned up the innovation to 11 with class switching, but DQ did it better with retained skills where FF wasted your time on inventory management
4) FF's first fleshed out, character driven story that loses it's impact when "oh no character died, lol jk they're ok now" gets done about six times. DQ4 is so well structured it really puts other games to shame, although the gameplay is a bit more restrictive. The AI is something to play around.

That's where I stopped playing the series thoroughly, so I can't make direct comparisons. FF5, 6, and 7 are pretty well liked by most people. 8 is divisive. 9 is also divisive but has a better reputation, along with getting points for being the last high fantasy FF game. 10 and 12 are also pretty well liked, despite their protagonists. 13 and 15 are again divisive, but even if they're not your cup of tea I wouldn't call them bad, either.

>>385826285
mr popo

>>385826285
It's Vegeta
Goku's eyes are more round, unless he goes super

>>385826285
Vegeta or Trunks

>>385826285
Vegeta

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>>385826323
>>385826376
>>385826434
>>385826528
>>385826536
>>385826538

it's gohan you retards.

>>385820054
FF at least tries to do something nee once in a while.
DQ is almost as bad as Tales of.

>>385826451
the first three are way better with freedom of exploration. They don't gate your progress with cutscenes and broken bridges all the time.

>>385826584
You can't just post a different image and say it's the same

>>385826652
the idea is that you can't tell who's face it is unless you look at their other body features. that's the idea behind SAMEFACE.

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>>385826207

How are the Android versions? It's not the travesty that happened to FF 5/6 is it?

I've got 1-3 ready to go for emulation but the official experience might be better?

>>385826584
Those are are clearly diffferent though.
Vegeta's don't have that extra line that connects to the eyebrows

>>385826584
Toriyama didn't even draw that, you fucking mong.

>>385826584
no, that's Tien.

>>385826713
But Gohan and Vegeta have different eye types

>>385825412
Do you need some help moving those goalposts? They look heavy.

This same observation is made of any artist is good enough to stick around as long as Toriyama has.

>>385826713
But you posted two different eyes.
One is vegeta, and the other is gohan

>>385826584
No it isn't and you provided source to disprove it.

>>385826738
Gohan's eyes also have that extra angle on the far sides, Vegeta's eyes end at his brow.

>>385826728
Not him but they're pretty good. Some might say definitive if you don't have a phone for 208483 years ago but I can't be doing with no buttons.

>>385826827
>>385826821
>>385826804
>>385826794
>>385826773
>>385826738
>>385826652
>Dragon Quest retards are this dumb
>>385826810

>>385826620
Yeah and that's why 3 is my favourite game in the series. It keeps that sense of exploration but has some depth, unlike 1 and is actually balanced, unlike 2.

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C-Can I join the fun?

>>385826081
But the original releases...

I feel like there's a certain appeal in going back to something how it originally was made.

>>385826728
>It's not the travesty that happened to FF 5/6 is it?
Not at all, they appear to take all the sprites from the SNES versions of the games and it looks great. I can't say how they compare to the original versions, but there's nothing disastrous about them. I'm sure they're easier though.

>>385820054
I like call of duty

>>385826929
Mr. Popo.

>>385826728
The mobile version of 2 actually makes finding the macguffins without a guide much easier.

>>385826927
to be honest I didn't have any problems with the battles in the GBC version of 2. Even Cannock is useful there.

>>385826908
>get BTFO
>reel back into 2nd grade insult

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who does this eye and eyebrow belong to?

They're completely different appeals. FF is heavy on story-focus, and DQ has always been about exploration/adventure. I like DQ, but nothing in DQ approaches the level of impact something like FF9 has on me.

>>385826081
As nice as it is to have party chat, DQ4 localization adds incomprehensible "regional accents" to the dialogue in the first two chapters, and being able to both move diagonally and control all characters in chapter 5 make the game far easier than it was designed to be. It really throws off the game balance.

>>385826908

>>385826929
Tien.

>>385820830
>release Dragon Warrior 1 in the west
>market it well but market doesn't like it because it's barebones as hell and much more interesting games were around
>"you baka gaijin just don't like our superior RPG!"
>Release the far superior Dragon Warrior 2-4
>don't market it at all and release them late
>"See you baka gaijin just don't understand"
>refuse to localize Dragon Quest V which many consider the series peak
>Don't localize VI either
>Release Dragon Warrior VII at the end of the playstations lifecycle with little marketing
>"you baka gaijin still don't get it"
>Spend a lot of effort on the localization of DQ VIII, and surprise surprise, it's successful in the west
>Release Dragon Quest IX with obnoxious advertising, but still is also a success in the west.
>don't spend any effort on marketing all the DS remakes of Dragon Quest games, along with hefty delays for VII and VIII
>"the baka gaijin hate us again i guess"

I'd say we'll get a very similar localization effort to VIII with Dragon Quest XI at the very least

>>385820054
Final Fantasy because literally nobody plays Dragon Quest in America or Europe.

>>385827112
Are you saying that if I zoomed in on the eye of a video game character people would be able to tell who it was immediately?

I think something should be said for the fact that you know which artist did that eye. How many artists have a style all their own that would allow you to do that?

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DQ always

>>385827117
Don't all DQ localizations add retarded accents?

>>385827112
Me

>>385827112
Gohan?

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>>385827146

Look at all this sameface.

>fags expecting Toriyama to create different faces for more than 1000 characters he has ever created

Everyone has it's limits. Of course some characters in other media or games will look similar but if they don't look alike in their own game does it even matter?

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I've only played DQ VII but man that was one of my favorite RPG experiences in a long time. When I think of Tales and Star Ocean and other games it's usually for gameplay. Final Fantasy crafts some strong cinematic experiences. But this was one of the first times I felt genuinely attached to a WORLD in an RPG. Every character you could talk to had personality and was interesting and no town felt one note and forgettable. And being able to go back and forth in time and seeing how that changed the landscape and development of civilizations was really compelling. The love triangle town being particularly heartbreaking.

I've only played FFIII, IV, VI, VII, XIII and XV with IV being my favorite but none of them felt as engrossing as DQVII for me.

>>385820054
DQ is more consistent in quality, FF has higher highs and lower lows.

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>>385827281
That's from the anime though. Some underpaid korean drew that. Pick shit from the manga.

>>385827112
I'm gonna guess Gohan

>>385827146
Have you seen, Tien, anon

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>>385827274
>>385827243
>>385827228
>literally can't tell between a saiyan and a human from their face

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I made my choice a long time ago.
and it still hurts ;_;

>>385827390
I just wanted an excuse to post that image

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>>385827314
Forgot picture, of course

>>385827362
Kiefer is a cunt, thank you for reminding me

>>385827423
Not drawn by Toriyama

>>385827423
>Still posting anime screenshots
You know Toriyama isn't the one who drew the anime right? That's all disposable overworked japs/koreans.

Final Fantasy. Only DQ game I've finished is 4, they're just too bland. I like Toriyama's art but the games have so little going on beyond that.

Modern DQ is probably better than the state modern FF is in, but there's nothing in DQ's library that comes close to games like Tactics, FF4, 6, 7, 9, even X.

>>385827112
Yamcha

>>385827238
The only DW game that I played the DQ version of was 4, so I can only comment on how much more I hate the DQ4 release on DS. Not only does it have the problems I stated before, but the sixth chapter added after shits on the tragic arc of the antagonist.

>>385827425
Don't worry Anon, Breath of Fire will always be the best.
Holy shit Dragon Quarter was good.

I've only finished one game from each series so far (FFVII and DQIX), but I've got to go with Dragon Quest, just because of the hundreds of hours I put into IX.

>>385826483
DQ1 is fine but I look at when it came out than looking at it nowadays. DQ1 is pretty much the perfect skeleton for a JRPG. It's super simple and grindy but I can't really fault it since it was made in 1986. DQ2 tries to be DQ1 just to the extreme. Giant open game to play around with. Lots of side quests. Tons of magical things to find. Actual party members (remember this was before even FF1). The issue is mostly that there's no level balancing and while DQ1 was annoying in it's grinding it's just 1v1 so you kind of know what you are getting. DQ2 however loves throwing enemies that are just a pain in the ass to fight. And exp is way too low with what they want you to do (even more annoying is each party member starts at level 1).

I have massive respect with what FF2 tries to be. And honestly SaGa is a fantastic series that really shows that FF2 could work after working on it for a while.

For me FF2, 3, 13 and half of 8 are just bad in my eyes. But I haven't played 15 and also the MMOs so can't comments.

As for DQ 2 is really the only one I really hated playing.

>>385827464
>the blue guy is literal sameface with the protagonist of the first DQM

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>>385827492
>>385827484
this one is from the manga. who is it?

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>>385822643
>no mention of Azure Dreams
One job
>>385827584
I don't much care for it, but I respect your opinion.

>>385827521
> there's nothing in DQ's library that comes close to games like... FF4

FF4 is shit though, and most DQ games are better than it.

>completely linear
>can never customize ANYTHING, the game decides which characters you're going to use at all times

FF4 has nothing going for it besides a story that I thought was cool when I was 12.

>>385820054
I feel like FF has higher highs (the PS1 trilogy is fantastic), but DQ is consistently good not great. They're preferable for different reasons.

>>385827626
Dragon Ball Minus, Kid Vegeta

>>385827626
Desert bandit Yamcha

>>385820054
The one that is still fun to play.

Dragon Quest

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>>385827623
And the blonde girl looks exactly like his sister

>>385822643
>Panzer Dragoon is a JRPG

Go back

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>>385821453
What games lets me put girls in bunny suits?

>>385826330
Dont know. Just got to the desert. 7 hours in

>>385827725
>>385827727
are you absolutely sure?

>>385827604
What the hell happened to the later half of FFVIII?

>>385827793
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
>not a JRPG

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>>385827626

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>>385827869
Show me the money

>>385827626
Goku

>>385827483

Aww why don't you like Chief Keef, anon. I was genuinely shocked when he left the party and never came back. I expected him to bro it out to the very end but staying back for the pussy caught me off guard. I didn't really resent the character though they played it really well what with finally finding a purpose and adventure he craved outside of his noble upbringing. It was touching the way his father came to accept it too.

>>385827871
Not latter. To me Laguna parts are the best part of FF8. I like what they were trying to do with the magic but man was it dumb. And the Squall parts was just boardline rage inducing.

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>>385827950
>>385827901
>>385827727
reverse image search wins

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>>385828047
masaka

>>385828023
Lmao what the fuck. Literally says "rail shooter" in the first line you copypasted from wikipedia

You didn't even mention Saga which is an actual RPG (and a damn good one)

>>385828037
Is it possible that your illiteracy contributed to these findings?

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>>385827950

>>385828184
You're a rude guy, yamcha. I like that.

>>385827996
>hey anon lets go on an adventure
>oh shit check that hottie already suited to someone else
>better make moves on her instead of fucking helping
>oh by the way I know our world is fucked and all but my dick is hard k bye :^)
Don't even pretend like you gave the equipment back Kiefer because I fucking stripped it away from you the second I felt you betraying the party.

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>>385827950

>>385828249

I can't remember but did they actually know that there were problems with the world at that point? Weren't they still just fucking around.

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THE POST UNDER MINE IS A 5

>>385828452
nice try, wolf boy.

>>385828452
Faggot

>>385827604
>And honestly SaGa is a fantastic series that really shows that FF2 could work after working on it for a while.
For a REALLY rough concept FFII is very good, especially for its time and the console it was in, many devs of the time were really impressed by the levelling system and general mechanical depth and innovative design, but all of Kawazu's games are more appreciated by devs rather than the general public because he's the only madman who'd go at certain lengths to dissect and reassemble or completely reinvent game design without concern for popularity or approval.
Many of the more creative and unique designers in the industry like Yoshiro Kimura also worked under him when they were rookies and have enormous amounts of respect for the guy.
Shit, without him we wouldn't even have Pokemon.

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>>385828583

>>385828358
Pretty sure the big bad doesn't show until they finish restoring the islands. That said, the world was still obviously fucked up because these landmasses were being destroyed in the past by various evils.

is there a way to play dq5 on my modded 3ds?

I want to play that game but I cant sit at home and play an old jrpg anymore, I'd have to do it while I'm on a plane or something

>>385827604
I hear a lot of people hating FF3, but I don't see why. It's better than 1 in every way, the mechanics/menuing are nicely streamlined. They added class changing, and fully incentivized using this feature as the game is going to be balls hard if you don't switch when necessary out of laziness. The only problem this creates is the inventory management required every time you have to job change. The difficulty was right where I like it, and the sprite work, and soundtrack were high tier for NES (they're no Capcom or Sunsoft but Nobuo is only human).

For any MMO, it's always about who you play with more than anything else. I liked many things neither the game nor SE told you about the mechanics of FFXI, because it encouraged a community working together to figure it out. The threads I saw on people trying to "solve" the crafting mechanics were like a mix between the Davinci Code and a college level programming class.

>>385828762
you got a phone? just emulate it on that

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Dragon Quest is for people bad at video games, prove me wrong.

>>385828762
flashcart

>>385828840
It's at times like these that I'm glad that the internet exists.

>>385828762
SNES with snes9x

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>>385828840
>Super Saiyan Kermit
kek

>>385828861
That's why you have shitters complaining about grinding in DQ, when you don't have to grind at all, right?

>>385828762
Flashcart

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>>385821453
I sure as heck will beat it

>>385828861
I mean yeah if yo'ure a shitter you'll just have to grind to level 99 and beat the game while a skilled player does it 3 times as fast.

>>385829160
that's the point. bad people grind in jrpgs. bad people also play dragon quest because it's designed for underaged kids/senile people.

>>385828762
Buy a cheap flashcart. R4i gold is good but remember you have to activate the AP fix in the cheat menu.

>>385828612
SaGa is the true patrician jRPG. Therefore, FF wins this little "debate"

>>385829434
But DQ is built around that philosophy. Some people are naturally good at things and can accomplish them faster, while others have to work hard in order to do so.

DQ had strong as fuck weapons in the very first village but they cost a fuckton and you had to grind a lot for that. Either that or, if you're a skilled player, you can just get by on weaker stuff and buy the better weapons later in the game.

DQ kinda punishes grinders for making them grind A LOT to accomplish the same result a more skilled player gets for just being better at the game. So if you see anyone complaining about grinding it means they're just bad.

Both

FF9 and back I would say FF.
Now there's no real contest, DQ by a mile. The only thing FF is any good for anymore is graphical non-interactive setpieces.

>>385823287
Play one of the DQ's that have a decent job system.
Personal favorite in just about every respect is DQ7 for the 3DS. (the only weakness is that it takes a while to get off the ground, around the third island or so)

>>385829585
SaGa is its own thing and the radical opposite of FF games, just because FFII was the protoSaGa doesn't mean you should conflate the two series just to win an argument.
By that logic the Tohou SaGa games are FF by extension.

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>>385826257
I want to fuck Martina.

>>385820054
I choose Final Fantasy because XI and XIV shit all over everything else.

>>385823556
7 form boss, god i love Psaro

>>385829796
>A LOT
>what is metal/gem slimes

>>385830108
This woman understands.

>>385830053
are the sex appeal abilities actually worth it this time aside from fan service?

>>385830250
First game didn't have those. And their importance in grinding is downplayed if you play the original releases, the DS remakes are piss easy.

>>385827117
I was really impressed with the accents in chapter 3, since they managed to give the characters exaggerated accents without falling into cliches (eg. no one says begorrah as far as I know). I also appreciated the detail of having separate rural and urban accents that correspond to their real life counterparts

I did have some trouble adjusting to the Scottish accents though, so I guess I can see how they might be difficult to understand if you hadn't lived on the british isles.

>>385830148
I remember how sweaty my hands were getting the first time I fought Necrosaro, and got to the midpoint of the fight and thought "Oh no, are you kidding me? Do you never DIE?"

>>385826471
if you ever do, please use a guide. There's a handful of fuck you parts in the game that will sour your experience otherwise

>>385830418
First game does have metal slimes. They are found mostly between Hawksness down to the bottom left desert.

>>385830250
I was talking about the first game, and that only had metal slimes, and much later in the game. They were super rare and difficult to defeat too, it was better to just grind at the final dungeon.

Their importance of metal slimes is downplayed in later games if you play the original releases, the remakes are piss easy with improved encounter rates for them.

Dragon Quest. More charm. Sentinels of The Starry Skies was my favorite DS game, and I loved DQM as a wee lad.

>>385830418
>trying to argue that DQ 1 requires skill
>a game where you can basically just attack/heal and maybe cast a status ailment if you feel like a faggot.

DQ 1 entirely centers around grind, don't pretend it doesn't. And metal slimes are in the game. Also there is no DS remake of 1 so I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Also I've play DQ IV on NES and DS and they're both about the same.

>>385820054
Final Fantasy has some really great games. Some of the best in the genre. Even it's side content like Tactics, Vagrant Story etc.

Dragon Quest has the DS version of V and the Snes version of III. Both of them are Final Fantasy V- tier at best.

>>385830707
The best places to grind in the final chapter of DW4 are because they contain metals: Royal Crypt and the long dungeon before the final area. Mirror Shield and double-attacking Alena fucked their shit.

>>385830939
Some people adore FFV and FFIII though.

>>385830939
>Some of the best in the genre
Let's not get ahead of ourselves now
>Vagrant Story
It's completely unrelated to FF, stop conflating IPs just to fellate FF.

>>385831309
Vagrant Story is literally in the world of Ivelice you dip

>>385830749
You are so full of shit if you are saying DW4 and DQ4 are "about the same." Play them back to back (or simultaneously) and you'll see two things completely break the difficulty of DQ4: Being able to move diagonally in dungeons, being able to control all party members in Chapter 5 (buffs are too good).

>>385831383
>Vagrant Story is literally in the world of Ivelice you dip
Matsuno himself said it's not the case, again, stop conflating IPs just to fellate a mediocre franchise.

>>385826081
>this list
DQ4 isn't worth playing on android thanks to the fucked controls even when losing out on the party chat. Someone should really get around to hacking the nip DS version now that we have the entire localized script.
>DQ5
Arguable, the PS2 version got a translation and could easily be viewed as the superior version.
>DQVIII
3DS version is better. It has more content, quality of life features and better waifu options.

Also the original order thing doesn't necessarily work when every single recommendation is of a remake made years after the fact.

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>>385831520
Vagrant Story is literally a Final Fantasy title you dip

>>385831394
I did, a while ago. I played DW4 after DQ IV. they're about the same. I have no idea how diagonal movement would make anything easier, but you do you I guess. Being able to control party members really didn't make that much of a difference either, especially once you get omniheal. It was more of an annoyance than anything else.

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>>385831707
>Quoting a fucking Wikia of all things
I knew FF fans were terminally retarded, but this is a new height.

>>385831908
>e-celeb poster
>not underage

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>>385831908
Vagrant Story is literally close to Final Fantasy tactics geographically, you dip

Seems like a good opportunity. DQ3: Should I kick my male Warrior out for a female Thief to later turn her into a Fighter/Warrior? Also, turn my wizard into a sage? What to do with my cleric though.

>>385830393
They're usually pretty strong debuffers up to a point.

>>385831582
PS2 DQ5 has better music/resolution obviously but has (imo) worse dungeons and is missing the extra waifu

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>>385832184
Thieves are the best Sage material
> What to do with my cleric though.
Turn into fighter healbot

>>385832102
I've been on 4chan longer than you.
>>385832154
Can you even read what you just quoted? Matsuno himself said it's not part of Ivalice, even on Squenix site Vagrant Story isn't listed as part of the FF franchise in any way.
Stop being retarded.

>>385832184
Thief -> Fighter is the way I went. Warriors just have defense over them, which you don't really need, while fighters put out obscene amounts of damage and crits. Plus your hero is basically a warrior archetype with magic on top.

>>385832357
this is a solid way to go as well.

>>385832450
>"the original plan, however - "
I'm guessing english is your second or third language.

>>385832357
>>385832570
What should I do with my poor little Wizard then?

>>385832597
You're right, English is one of the many languages I know but it seems I have a more firm grasp on it, and logic, than you do.
Again, point out an official source that says that VS is part of the FF franchise, especially when Matsuno himself says it isn't even connected to Ivalice.

Is Parasite Eve II part of FF because you can get a Gunblade for Aya?

>>385832597
You try being fluent in three languages fucker.

>>385830050
Kinda the point lad.

>>385830393

In DQ8, sex appeal can randomly cause an enemy to lose a turn. Id say its good in conjunction with something like staves or whips.

FF may have been trash for years but the old games still shit on any DQ.

There's a reason why DQ never took off here despite the dragonball shilling, the games aren't fun or have interesting stories.

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>>385832713
throw her ass out on the street to prostitute herself, and get another fighter

>>385831582
>Arguable, the PS2 version got a translation and could easily be viewed as the superior version.

But it lacks best wife

>>385830393
They were good in the first place in DQ8 though
Enemies randomly losing turns, some bosses weak to Puff Puff (both make Captain Crow a joke) and Hustle Dance is like having another multiheal.

I'd rather choose dragon quest monsters joker 2 pro american release.

>>385820054
Dragon quest every single time. Only 3 redeemable FF games ever made. The rest feel hollow and cold like they were produced by a board.

>>385833415
>2
>not 3

>>385833553
Hipster much?
FF7 alone beats all DQ no contest.

>>385832450
Yasumi Matsuno claimed during its development that Ivalice, the game world he created when he joined Square in 1995, is a complex world with a very long history and the stories of Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Final Fantasy XII are said to unfold quite close on the Ivalice map

read motherfucker

>>385833570
Is 3 better than 2? I actually have no idea.

>>385833672
Except that he himself later said very clearly it's not actually the case, you do know things change during development, right?
Seems like you are the one who needs to read.
Again, point me out to a Square Enix or even old Squaresoft official source that says VS is part of the FF franchise, you can't, because it has never been the case.

>>385833912
Other way around. It was originally planned to be it's own thing, but become a part of the Ivalice world.

r e a d

I love DQ's music so much haha Nanking never happened.

I play RPGs for the gameplay loop; if I want a good story I'll read a book. IMO Final Fantasy compromises the gameplay experience too much in exchange for fairly mediocre stories (as much as people hate to admit it, games aren't ideal as a storytelling medium).

Dragon Quest doesn't change too much between entries, but it has an awesome feeling of progression. I don't think it's quite 10/10, I prefer dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey, but they're all awesome.

>>385820830
The first mainline game to be released outside of America in most other areas was VIII. That probably didn't help.

>>385833718
Considering 3 is a completely new game while joker 2 pro is an extended version of an already translated joker 2 (which I'd already played), I'd rather choose joker 3 pro to be translated.

>>385834241
>I prefer dungeon crawlers like Etrain Odyssey

Into the garbage

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>>385834059
>Other way around
Are you dense? Matsuno says clearly that it's not part of Ivalice in any way or shape.
Again, give me an official source that says VS is part of the FF franchise, if what you say is true then it should be easy to screencap the FF section of Squenix' website with VS in the same section.

>>385820054
Dragon Quest has a better setting and story at least to me. FF is still good though but changes too much between titles.

>>385834525
They have a better gameplay loop in my opinion, but you're free to prefer whichever you like.

>>385820054
Final Fantasy. My favorite series. FFVI is the best game ever created.
/thread

>>385820054
DQ
FF is fucking dogshit

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>>385834535
Matsuno also said the machines dug up under Goug are remnants of the air ships from FFXII.

>>385834535
It sounds like you misinterpreted something. Because Vagrant Story is 100% set in Ivalice.

>>385822643
>Yokai
>casual

It bombed way too hard in the west to be up in the same tier as the other juggernauts in that tier.

>>385820054
DQ. Every single Final Fantasy game is a love-it-or-hate-it affair for me, buying one basically feels like gambling. Meanwhile, I can buy any mainline Dragon Quest game and know that I'm gonna get a game that I'll actually want to finish.

>>385834535
Sorry bud, but you're mistaken. Vagrant Story is in Ivalice.

Probably Dragon Quest

I like some of the FF games fine, but between the two series I've liked more DQ games overall.

>>385835224
And what has that anything to do with Vagrant Story?
>>385835413
>>385835480
Nice proof.