How badly is Overwatch bleeding players to PUBG?

>>385820043
not at all desu.

>>385820043
Nice bait, mind if I save it?

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>>385820043
very

>>385820043
Overwatch and PUBG are two totally different kinds of games. I would imagine the crossover in players is pretty minimal.

>>385820043
>bleeding to a flavor of the month game

L O L

>>385820391
Its not a matter about genre of the game, its popularity, lots of people just play what's popular and there's definitely a good amount of people who stopped playing overwatch to start playing the new popular game that is pubg

>>385820391
Anecdotally, me and a group of friends all bought OW in launch week and racked up a couple hundred hours each already.

None of us have played it in weeks, the shooter we play together now is PUBG.

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>>385820043

>>385820458
>flavor of the month game bleeds to a flavor of the month game

L O L

FOTM players leaving is good. They most likely came from MOBAshit anyway.

PUBG is a sort of fun game that I would probably play more often if it didn't run like fucking dogshit on my computer

Seriously why would you focus on adding crates so people can spend money on cosmetics rather than optimizing your game

>>385820631
Also anecdotally in my group even though all of them bar me has the game only one of them plays it alot and posts shit boring gifs and the fucking updates and is in general a massive boring cunt.

>>385820458
>>385820753
>PUBG FOTM

L O L

>>385820791
Think about what you just said and how many times FOTM has been mentioned in this thread.

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Im just glad PUBG came around so that we had another place for the underage and cancerous faggots to go. Its great really. Ive noticed a lot less dipshits in most of my other games thanks to Overwatch and PUBG.

Competitive games that try too hard to be balanced bore me after two months. Same happened with SC2. Anyone who says PUBG is competitive is a complete retard, but the game isn't meant to be that despite their attempts to push for an esports scene.

Overwatch's waning popularity has nothing to do with the new casual garbage shooter of the month - a game by Blizzard could have very strong legs if it was managed correctly.

Unfortunately, Overwatch is a pretty shell around a rotten core and Blizzard's track record demonstrates that they have no idea how to fix the fundamental issues with the game. Add the fact that management is undoubtedly pushing them to sell loot boxes instead of developing meaningful content and you get a game that is slowly dying.

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>>385821107
>PUBG
>Esports scene
You're kidding me, right?

>>385821503
yep and its gonna be more alive than OW or SC2.

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>>385821553
When can we get a hard reset on video games?

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>>385820043
kys

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>>385821553
esports really is the cancer killing video games.

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>>385821553
I thought pubg was supposed to be THE battle royale game that would have a natural esports scene, yet there's little depth (maybe I'm wrong, haven't actually played it) and it doesn't capture what makes battle royale so good. This is just another shooter that will most likely get an unsuccessful forced esports money built on how much money the devs pump into it

>>385821803
meant to type "unsuccessful forced esports scene", fucken ell

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>>385821802
>>385821662
t.butthurt blizzcucks
>muhh blizzard game fail at e-sport so all e-sport games are shit

>>385821965
what is this?

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>>385822057

>>385822057
Games with forced esports scenes are the shit ones. The smash melee scene is a good example of a natural esports scene that was built on player passion for the game, not how much money a jew company can prop it up with

>>385822057
retarded wojak poster

>>385822236
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>>385822175
You think the PUBG devs have this much money?
They are pretty much indie devs.

>>385822236
>melee scene
>good example
Hows that top 4 bracket looking this tournament? ...what, it looks almost exactly like the last 20 top 4 brackets?

>>385822345
Nigga I don't like esports in general.

>>385820043
OW seems dead and my friends and I all moved to PUBG. I'd say a ton but that's just a guess based on what we've seen.

>>385822057

>competitive pubg ever

There's no way to make pubg competitive unless you remove the rng element of the game (in the form of loot tables), because as it stands that's way too much of a factor in determining how long you survive, also luck just comes into play more often than not. If you just fuck around the map and actively avoid people you can usually rank pretty high. Would these people get to advance in the tournament? How would you even have a bracket system? Would you start with rounds of 100 players and the guy at the very top moves on? Would you just have one round and its winner take all?

Not to mention in its current form the game is still buggy as shit

>>385821803
If TF2 could have some kind of parasitical bastard esports scene with fuck-all support from Valve, using a heavily modified ruleset that the game wasn't balanced for in the first place, then a phenomenon like PUBG could probably make something neat.

There's not really a lot of mechanical complexity, but it's like Counter-Strike, you don't need to know the wacky spray patterns or the frames or some fighting game shit to appreciate what's going on and it's generally fast-paced.

Plus it's popular with stream viewers.

Honestly, I could see it doing better than whatever money laundering scheme they're trying to pull with Overwatch League.

>>385822345
I dont give a shit who is making it, esports just generally kills the fun as the game no longer can be about stupid fun and thus has to be "balanced" with every god damn patch cycle resulting in someone bitching about balance one way or the other.

Then of course the side effects on the community where every casual believes they are a pro for choosing the fucking meta pick even though those choices have no fucking effect on the game at the level 99% of the player base is playing at.

>>385822647
>There's no way to make pubg competitive unless you remove the rng element of the game

That never stopped trash like CSGO and Hearthstone from becoming esports

>>385822710
>balancing makes games unfun
>everyone using one OP character/class/gun/item is fun because I can easily kill noobs with it

ok

>>385822345
The game has sold well and at its current price I imagine they would get quite a bit. Loot boxes also.
>>385822410
And yet people keep attending events, and watching the streams, and being interested in the pro players.
>the top 4 bracket has the most skilled players
woooow what the fuck /v/ros

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>>385822154
Charting the maximum number of players online each day since launch

>>385822728

CSGO has way less rng elements than PUBG because it has a set map pool and you buy your weapons. If everybody in CSGO started with nothing and then just ran around and somebody found an AWP while somebody else found a USP then yeah that would be rng.

Also nobody takes hearthstone seriously as an esport. Basically all the hearthstone tournaments are blizzard events because the game is like 80% luck and blizzard just props it up.

>>385822728
CSGO has an extremely high strategic and mechanical skill ceiling

>>385820753
I mean if you wanna count at least 12 months as 1

>>385822057
>any esports are not shit
I hate to break it to you loser, but all Esports are shit.

I would watch competitive PUBG of like, 15vs15 or 25vs25.

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We'll never know since Blizzard is scared of releasing actual data and only uses unique player milestones which still includes smurf accounts, PC bangs, and free weekends/the free month they had in China.

>>385820757
So they came from a moba, to play a mobafps, who would have possibly thought.

>>385822879
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>>385822879
And why would anyone be upset about this?
Serious question.

>>385823143
ask /v/ you guys get mad as fuck about PUBG.

>>385820391

they're both ultra-casual shit that losers take seriously, same tone of game

>>385822839
Well no thats not what I meant but I didn't explain myself well.

Its not necessarily balance so much as thats the only thing that is ever focused on from the devs when esports comes around. Rather than providing fun gameplay modes to offer variety, modding tools for the community, etc. The devs instead are more inclined to only balance around a small set of game modes because thats what brings in money from esports and ultimately the game gets stale as fuck as shit like LoL or OW when you compare them to something like TF2.

Focusing on esports so early in the games life is a huge fucking warning flag, esports scenes should develop from good game mechanics, not the devs specifically catering the game around it and offering nothing else but it to the player.

>>385822660
How in the fuck is players using scout, soldier, demo, and medic with mostly the default weapons on valve made maps not what the game was balanced for? Have you even played 6v6?

>>385823143
the people here who have been proclaiming that the game would die within 1/2/3/4/5 months

>>385822410
>Hows that top 4 bracket looking this tournament? ...what, it looks almost exactly like the last 20 top 4 brackets?

How is that exactly bad?

Thats how it should be, the people with the most practice should be the best.
Just shows how high the skill ceiling in that game is so fresh blood catching up to their 20 years experience is basically impossible since they never stopped climbing in skill.

In a game like OW you have probably reached the skill ceiling half a year in.

But i guess its boring for the average fuckwit spectator if "le epic upsets" and random shit doesnt happen. Might just watch some drama show instead of competition then.

>>385823143
Because it's /v/ and people here can't comprehend others liking something they don't.
PUBG is still quite shite though.

8 minute queues in gold. Overwatch is fucking ruined, but I don't think it's PUBG. This has been developing longer than that.

>>385820391
>Overwatch and PUBG are two totally different kinds of games
in gameplay, yes.
in audience, no. both games attract normie and casual scum like moths to fire.

>>385822057
Because esports is a new thing that has evolved from competitive gaming.

Forcing esports doesn't make a good esport making a fun, competitive game will create a competitive scene, which if supported evolves into an esports scene.

Overwatch is unfun garbage, its merely waifu bait with esports plastered all over it.

I don't understand modern blizzard, they had one of the biggest esports scenes that evolved from a game they made 20 years ago, yet they don't seem to understand it, even worse, they've been forcing esports shit into every one of their games now-a-days, especially where esports shouldn't exist, like RNG card games, MMORPGs, ect.

PUBG shows us why Twitch eceleb culture is bad for video games. There's a handful of pretty specific elements that appeal to underaged streamsloths and PUBG is the first game to truly cynically attempt to pull each of those strings. It's like a perfectly engineered "fun" turd and video game enthusiasts should be worried.

Fucking FOTM gaming is the death of gaming.

Devs have no need to develop a full game with compelling story, art, animation, and gameplay when they only need to make some half assed shooter multiplayer game with no features to make hundreds of millions.

>>385823473
>2 min queues in high diamond/ low masters
>all the shitters left for PUBG
Now it all makes sense.

>>385823395
You can only watch the same handful of autists sperg out in a video game so many times before people get bored and stop watching. New players are the lifeblood of anything competitive.

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>>385823143
>>385823176
>>385823080

>it's j-just another D-DayZ!

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>>385822057
>he thinks esports are a good thing for video games
The only form of esport that isn't complete and total cancer is Evo, and that's only because general thuggery makes it fun to watch.

>>385823502

Blizzard fucked up with SC2 because they would go months without fixing balance issues that would ultimately make people stop playing. Also Starcraft has a problem inherently in that the learning curve is way way steeper than something like LoL or Hearthstone. Playing as a new player in Starcraft can be frustrating as hell because you need to have a certain level of mechanical skill down pat before you even think about strategy, because somebody more experienced or efficient in macro will just steamroll you every time.

>>385821803
unf she's so cute

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>>385822410
Oh no the best at the game are staying the best at the game! Oh no there isnt bullshit rng comeback mechanics for casuals that manufactures fake comebacks that take zero skill!! Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

>>385820043
>design game as casual as possible
>make it a fun casual experience
>balance around bad players (e.g hog nerf)
>every single design decision in the game literally screams "this game is made for casual play" from the hitboxes, to the overall tankyness and the emphasis on ultimates.

>at the same time push it as a competitive esport game
>but the core of the game is built so much around casual shit that you can only destroy the game for both audiences in the process of trying to make it competitive.

>>385820391
I know seven people who bought OW are now playing PUBG. Seven at least, and given that I have another 5 or so on my steam list that aren't on my bnet list, there's probably more.

>>385823714
So we should make games easier to get into with lower skillceilings so new people get in, so spectators are happy?

Instead of you know, exactly doing what makes players happy?

Fuck that spectator pleasing bullshit, not every game needs to be spectator friendly, this trend is already ruining every single current competitive game.

>>385824175
This. Capcom is doing this shit to sf5 to the point where the top players fucking hate the game but play it only cause its all they have. The game only rewards rushdown and what little defensive options you have are inconsistent and gimmicky. They fucking
HATE the game.

lets see, for all the faults that PUBG has it's still far more skill and decision based than Overwatch. There's alot more variables going on in a PUBG match than the same, what, 6 maps on OW? While OW also being incredibly META driven because Blizzard can't balance a fucking game if their life depended on it. Overwatch fucked up by oversimplifying everything - no need to watch ammo or resources, just shoot as much as you like. There's no strategy involved and hardly any real skill compared to traditional FPS, PUBG draws more on that and that's why it's going to beat out OW.

You'd think /v/ would be happy that a small literally who battle royale game is about to topple nu-Blizz's SJW shitfest, but I guess it's the contrarian "can't like anything cuz it's popular" attitude overrules everything else. I'm not even pro PUBG, I'm just glad to see Overwatch getting fucked.

>>385824024
>>balance around bad players (e.g hog nerf)
>hog players thinking anyone else was bad

>>385824693
You though /v/ would be happy because of early access multiplayer open world survival #223: micropay edition?

>>385824946
>Reading comprehension
because it's killing Overwatch.

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So what makes PUBG better than all the battle royale games in the past?

>>385824946
>open world survival

But it's neither of those things.
It's an arena deathmatch game with an extremely large arena.

>>385825054
It's not a mod and its lead developer didn't grab the cash and run during early alpha.

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>>385820867
It'll be flavor for a few months, maybe a year. In that time a new fad game will have taken over and PUBG, while staying afloat, will have a population crash in the mean time.

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>>385824428
Overwatch has the same thing where half of the top players despise the game.
How do "competitive" games build a competitive scene of people who don't like playing their game and they still play the game anyway?

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>>385825097
Top tags.
>but it's different this time!

>>385820043
my group all literally swapped from OW to PUBG just in the past month

Why do Overwatch players write "meta" in all capital letters? Do they think it's an acronym?

>>385822057
But PUBG isn't an e-sport, it's streamer bait.

>>385825054
easy to play with friends
no hunger/thirst shit

>>385825221
They hope that they can get into an esports team and make a living from it.
>>385825305
They're user-defined and imagine how many steam users actually know their shit. It isn't open world.
>>385825097
The main objective is to survive, just because it's not endless doesn't mean it's not a survival.

>>385825345
>Most Efficient Tools Available
because it is?

>>385821803
why is her mouth so wide

Someone red pill me on PUBG

What is it and why is it making people butthurt?

>Selling microtransactions in a non-free early access game
Every time I think we reached the bottom, the industry finds a new way to surprise me. And it's not even Electronic Arts or anything, just a literallywho on Steam.

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>>385825596
You shouldn't ask questions like that, anon.

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>>385820986
This looks fucking disgusting.

I must have it.

>>385820986
What game are you playing?

>>385825684
Microtransactions, early access and streamer popularity, the first two of which I can completely understand, but why /v/ gets upset any time a streamer is involved is beyond me.

Although, there was one poor bastard who got a (temporary?) ban because he killed a streamer who then accused him of """""Stream Sniping"""""", some ridiculous concept where you watch streams to cheat and find streamers.

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>>385825876

How good is the gunplay on PUBG?
I'm planning on buying it when FPV servers hit, but I was wondering if the gunplay was decent at least.

>>385825876
Dan "You can't her" Schneider is one lucky sob.

>>385825978
What did he do?

>>385826049
seems similar to Arma/Day Z aim down the sights + weapon zeroing. I've played like 3 rounds so I couldn't really say too much on it

>>385824693
> but I guess it's the contrarian "can't like anything cuz it's popular" attitude overrules everything else. I'm not even pro PUBG, I'm just glad to see Overwatch getting fucked.

>Aka. I hate OW because it's popular, why do you hate PUBG because it's popular?

>>385826174
Hi Blizzdrone, people hate overwatch because it's a shitty game.

>>385825221
>Overwatch has the same thing where half of the top players despise the game.
That's what constant patch/balance treadmill does to you. You start playing a game then months later find yourself playing a completely different game that deliberately shat on everything you used to know about it just for the sake of change itself

>>385826049
At first it seems pretty good. Then you realize there's random spread/bullet deviation on top of random recoil. The recoil isn't really an issue but the spread definitely is. Lower skill ceiling than CSGO even.

>>385826467
So one-tapping people at close-medium range isn't a thing at all?

>>385826720
If your target is standing still and you have a Kar98 or similar, there's a chance.