Tell me why it's bad

DVA isnt real and she isnt looking at my penis

it ain't

Appeals to the lowest common denominator.

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>>385797712
>character pool is too small
>high elo/pro scene is whoever hits Q better
>characters designed to counter other counters sounds like balance but its the opposite. because if hero A is hero B's counter and hero A gets nerfed, hero B becomes too strong

>>385797712
Microtransactions out the ass in a fully priced game.
Low content.
No depth.
No variety.
Annoying playerbase.
Shit balance.
Tries too hard to rip off Pixar, Team Fortress 2, and DotA without understanding how any of them work.

>>385797712
Vibrant class-based shooter with dozens of diverse heroes that are all outclassed by the call of duty parody guy

>>385797712
because the gameplay revolves on ability usage over aim instead of having a balance of the two

>>385797712
Season 5

All the smart white and asian players quit playing now the playerbase is just a few bluehaired trannies and blacks

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>>385797712
Do we have to have a fucking ow thread every time the other one dies??

You know why it sucks, you don't need us to tell you for the 80th time

>>385797712
If the game's fun only comes from winning matches online then its a shit game which is aimed towards a pathetic fanbase

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Generic as fuck, literally copies 90% of game mechanics from existing games and genre's, character design is 2 dimensional and boring, newer characters come out once in a blue moon and are horridly designed are screw up the already broken meta of the game.
Its just stale and feels like a forced meme, the entire community is full of casuals and retards with 6th grade educations and inferiority complexes.
All the maps are completely linear choke-fests with no room for strategy or innovation, they release them like twice a year with terrible game modes like 2CP.
Not to mention the forced diversity pandering, every character released has been a woman or minority in some way

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>>385797712
>>385797776
>>385797798
>>385797852
>>385797976
>>385798016
>>385798051
>>385798089
>>385798135
>>385798204
>>385798385
Low skill ceiling
Bland character design and dialogue, inoffensive stereotypes clearly designed by committee to appeal to the widest possible PG-13 audience
SJW pandering that attracts annoying tumblr women
Casual pandering that attracts annoying casuals and suffocates actually good players
Terrible balance
Terrible level design
Shit all for content
NO MODDING ALLOWED DING DONG BANNU

It fails in every single area. Even if it was free I wouldn't waste 10 minutes of my time in downloading it.

Verdict: 2/10, play Paladins or TF2 or Quake instead, they're all free and far more actually enjoyable experiences.

>>385798694


look mom i replied to everyone in the thread xd

>>385798694
(you)

Its not fun to play
There is no content
Playing for points is an addiction
Its a game for casuals
Its not cool

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how can a game that has produced so much 3rd party "content" be bad?

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can't do this in overwatch

>>385799218
are you implying KanColle is good game?

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>>385798561
This. Pic related.

>>385798586
You were doing so well until you got to the last sentence.

>>385799359
I'm arguing that the amount of high quality "content" directly correlates to good videogames. Obviously, KenColle has no quality "content" ergo the game is bad.

>>385797712
>costs money despite having rng based microtransactions
>only 25 heroes a year after launch

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>>385797712

>Hanzo
>Hog
>Diva
>Doomfist
>Winston's auto aim gun
>stats based ranked system instead of win%
>lack of any useful data to be used as evidence to persuade people who are underperforming to switch off to braindead heros, thus generating a lot of one-sided games or otherwise really unfair games.

>>385801035
>auto AIM gun
>overfags will defend this

>>385798694
except they turned quake into an abomination

when you need seasonal events to bring new life into your game it's shit

>>385797712
Shit balance, shit level design, made for retards, hard cc's and multiple cooldowns have no business being in first person shooters, gameplay literally revolves around Q-button.

Played it for 110 hours on release and went back to R6:S, havent looked back.

>>385798879
>>385798961

salty casual blizzdrones detected

>>385799510
Fuck off, forced pandering in video games instantly turns me off since i know the devs would rather focus on mass appeal than making a good video game with interesting characters

>>385802325
Go cry to /pol/, faggot.

>>385801859
No I won't.
I fucking hate that thing.

it lacks variety, even a normal game mode as capture the flag es extremely boring and unbalanced in OW

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>>385802582
>you have a different opinion than me
>G-GO BACK TO /pol/!!!

>>385802252
It's cc's no business fag again
>every fps should be the same
the game isnt for you so you can just fuck off

Eh I still enjoy it for the most part.

Certain characters and abilities piss me off, I freely admit this is just me being salty.

>genjis deflect stops melee damage
>symetra's death ray is way too long
>basically everything mercy has too much range, and her heal beam bending round corners can fuck off
>hogs chain was nerfed too much so now its useless
>there is no pain greater than having someone bounce unharmed off your Reinhardt charge

Also shitty community, but that's the price of popularity

>>385797712
Because it's popular

Overwatch would have worked if they had have
>not nerfed skilled heroes
>not removed scoreboards
>not filtered stuff like gg ez
>dealt with throwers publicly
>stuck to adding more mecha and western style heroes.

>>385798016
>microtransactions out the ass in a fully priced game

what did he mean by this?

>>385797712
blizzard

>>385798586
>>385798561
I agree

Almost entire game is built around buying time for either team with the exception of payload.
This makes every match have a certain minimum amount of time and makes playing with idiots that keep doing dumb things like pulling teeth.
Kills feel like they matter fuck all when the real decider as to who gets to control the objective is dependent on which team is left standing after an ult orgy.

I like it but it does have VERY shallow mechanics.

>>385803790
>symetra's death ray is way too long
Bitch needs to go back to being irrelevant, it's infuriating dying to someone who can't even aim because they got slightly close behind their big spammy shield.

>>385797976
But to be able to hit Q more than 1 time in the round, you gotta have a good aim.

>>385798694
sounds like a salty diamond blame everyone else if youre hardstuck it isnt you its the randoms

it's not bad, just boring

>>385798016
>annoying playerbase
Name one team based shooter which hasn't.

>>385808426
Have you actually seen the randoms in this game? It's instalock 3 DPS and then don't get any elims all match near every match.

>>385797712
quite ironic the game is imploding now when it was shilled relentlessly as some sort of master piece at release.

I don't really understand the hate of those heroes that doesn't require any aim. It's not like you will achieve anything by making a team full of no-aim-needed heroes.

Like, it's always good to have heroes that reward good decision making and positionning, while other will just require you to point and click while blatantly staying behind those who makes does all the thinking.

Because you people tend to forget that Overwatch is a team game. And just like TF2, you will have classes that rewards one kind of play over another. You may sell TF2 as some sort super hard game (which is ironic, considering how people looked down on the game, considering it to be some casual garbage), but it's the same thing there tok: Being able to evolve with a "complete" team will grant you better results than a team full of soldiers making rockets rain from above.

>>385804581
No it wouldn't, because it's got hundreds of problems other than that.
Refer to >>385798694

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>>385808534
if an entertainment product is boring it IS bad anon

>>385797712
It's fucking boring

>>385797712
>Casual shit
>SJW shit
>Bad level design
>Bad game design
>No maps
>No mods
>Blizzard balance
/thread

They nerfed roadhog. The only original fun character in the game

I think it's a fun enough game. It's not my favorite but it is the only fps I play regularly.

>>385798694
No one gives it a good reason. They just say, "terrible this, terrible that" bullshit without anything to back up their claim. I'm starting to think it's just contrarians who think they're special snowflakes who are just talking shit about it because it's "2popular4me" bullshit. Which proves this Anon's statement:

>Verdict: 2/10, play Paladins or TF2 or Quake instead

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>"Overwatch sucks!"
>Never reached high elo

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Do we have to have this thread every fucking day.

>Shit balance
>Blizzard
>Half the heroes been joke / garbage / troll tier for over a year now.
>Balanced around casuals and quickplay instead of high tier play
>Blizzard nerfs heroes that don't need nerfs because casuals don't know how to counter.

In a nutshell. Blizzard are fucking retarded and have no idea how to make an FPS.

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I've always been confused why people hate the "sjw" shit in overwatch.

To be honest, it's probably my favourite part. Because I'm more interested in playing as different kinds of characters

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The only thing this game is good for is getting smurfs to grandmasters then selling them to kids in dubai on playerauctions for $100. Made myself some good money this summer doing it.

>Maps are very poorly designed.
>Heroes are bland and uninteresting.
>Gunplay is fine in some areas but seriously lacking in others (76's rifle for example feels like a water gun rather than a plasma rifle. Rein's ROCKET PROPELLED HAMMER just causes people to fall over rather than sending them into the distance.)
>Hard counter system that punishes hot switching by removing ult.
>Everyone shits themselves in comp if you fail to follow the meta.
>Can't play dups.
>Very casual with a mechanical skill ceiling that's touching the floor (ability based, everyone reloads their entire clip, everyone moves at the same speed.)
>Can't decide what maps you que up for.
>Or gamemodes. If you que up for casual you que up for EVERYTHING.
But of course someone's just going to say "T. Gold shitter" because that somehow invalidates my argument.

>>385811116
Bullshit

>>385811251
>76's rifle for example feels like a water gun rather than a plasma rifle

So you want a rifle to not sound like a rifle but rather like a plasma rifle. You're fucking retarded.

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>>385811303

>>385811521
Well how do you just go up and make it to grand master? How long does it take you to do it?

And how do you deal with people who d/c, rage, or you have shitty teammates? Tell me your ways because I want to make it to higher elo.

>>385811429
>So you want a rifle to not sound like a rifle but rather like a plasma rifle.
But that's what 76's gun is, a plasma rifle.

>>385811647

I did it playing Torbjorn then healbotting as lucio in the last couple of games in 3900s.. Just get good at an off-meta hero and reap those juicy sr bonuses.

Also playing heroes like Torb, Junkrat or Bastion has the bonus factor of making the enemy tilt. "How can our precious meta comp lose to a Torbjorn!!"

>>385811915
You're making it sound a whole lot easier than it sounds.

>I did it playing Torbjorn

Did you do this in any specific way? I main Zenyatta. I'm currently silver.

>healbotting as lucio

whut.

>>385798694
Everything you said also applies to Paladins.

>>385801859
Damage is piss low and anyone who isn't a retard can either escape, stun, or kill Winston before it kills.
Fuck dude, even Zenyatta can give Winston the Middle Finger.

>>385797712
After 2 weeks it gets boring.

>>385812002

Healbot lucio = keep heals on almost all the time and amp it up whenever Winston tries to dive you or your 2nd healer.

Getting good at Torb is just learning all the good turret spots. Being creative with turrets. Knowing when to ditch a turret or give up on upgrading it. Getting good with the rivet gun. Armour pack / scrap management. I was top10 Torb for the majority of season 4 on my main.

>>385797712
The community is a bunch of csgo tier esports wannabes and it's only fun when you're winning

>>385812218
Why don't you go pro dude? Make it to top 500 and make an easy 50k+ in the Overwatch League. I want to get to that point someday.

>>385812353
Oh and almost forgot the writers randomly make characters lgbtqp even though it doesn't reflect itself on the character itself

>>385812492
All because you're gay doesn't mean you have to be a flaming faggot or a testosterone injecting dyke

>>385812218
torbs a beast in the right hands.

the turret should be supplamenting your rivet gun headshots and pouring alt into tanks

I see too many torbs throwing their lives away trying to keep a turret up when they could just shoot the fools pressing up

>>385812360

Because i'm not good enough. My career high was 4099 back in s3. I can only dip into gm before dropping out again. I would probably be able to climb higher if I didn't tilt so easily. I'm just in limbo in the 3900-4000 area.

The roster is so big you will always have really bad balance issues with around 20-30% of the hero's been not unplayable but in the category of.
>Why don't you just use a different hero and be more useful at your role and to the team.
Also not to big a problem but some hero's require a mic and team work to be as useful as any one else. E.g. sombra is not shit but not nearly as good as any one else unless you get your q off at the right time with your team.

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>>385797712
because you're in bronze

when a competent upper platinum+ team is communicating and working as a unit against a similar opponent it's good to great

>>385797712
It's not a bad game, it's just missing potential that its predecessors like TF2 had in spades. It's not too late to correct any of these issues, but I don't know if it will.
Overwatch needs:
>An update that opens up the chokes on all maps. This wouldn't be difficult for most of them, since there are so many closed off buildings/alleys that could be opened
>More high skill ceiling characters
>Not listening to whiners. Love or hate roadhog, he was just annoying once you actually got gud. Now he's the worst troll pick in the game.
>More frequent PTR updates. It doesn't have to be "new" content. Change some weird shit. Give junkrat a right click that acts as a mortar strike or something. I don't give a shit. It keeps things from being stale

>>385812620
May I ask

What type of players are preventing you from going higher in elo? What's their playstyle like and all?

/v9k/ basement dwellers will see sjw's in fucking everything in the same way that tumblr feminists see the patriarchy in everything.

>>385810674
I reached GM only through solo queue, and every single match afterwords I got throwers/people who didn't want to switch/etc and deranked down to fucking Diamond. The season before I was solidly in Masters. The game isn't fun, the people who play it are braindead, selfish morons, and Blizzard is one of the shittiest companies in history. If you defend Overwatch you either have a low IQ or don't care enough about the game to invest in it.

Unlike CS:GO which actually uses individual skill (to a degree) Overwatch will almost always make you rely on your teamates to win, and if you get shit teamates who don't want to work together, you will lose. It's completely out of your control, and that is NOT fun.

>>385813184
>>>/plebbit/

>>385813184
A wise man.

>>385812935

Top500 smurfs 1 tricking a meme hero, one trick ponies (mostly Mercys) and general trolls.

Noone really prevents me though, I just don't care enough to put the effort into climbing more because in my opinion doesn't feel like it's worth the effort, especially now you have to keep top500 to claim the rewards.

>>385813184
DUDE
HORSESHOE THEORY
LMAO

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>>385798694
>tfw someone caps your post and uses it to BTFO future generations of Overwatch fags

It's not. The game is fun and challenging without requiring an autistic amount of dedication to get gud at. The characters are fun with interesting aesthetics and kits, while also not being edgy and offensive.

It's a high-quality game that's marred by balance issues and an extremely slow content output.

>>385813675
The retards that frequent 4chins and tumblr are living proof of Horseshoe Theory.

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easiest fps on the market. you wont learn anything from jumping other games

>>385813961
By implying there will be future generations of overwatch fags aren't you saying that overwatch is a good game that will last for a long time?

>>385814247
>posts on /v/
>doesn't know that faggotry is eternal
wew lad back 2 reddit you go :^)

>>385813402
maybe, but I've seen a vagina

good with the bad I guess

>>385814163
>Challenging
It can literally only be as challenging as other players allow it to be.

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>In OW you gain Ult meter passively even without interaction, Ult gain stays after death also
>In Splatoon you lose special when you die, with no passive gain

>OW doesn't tell you what map is coming up next until it's half loaded
>Splatoon clearly tells you what maps are in rotation for the next few hours, if you don't like a specific map on a mode you can change modes or fuck off for a bit

Even Splatoon 2 is less casual and better designed than Overwatch.

>>385808815
this

>>385812929
>fuck, that nostalgia image

My nigga

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>>385797712
>CS:GO has the better shooting mechanic than OW
>Dota has the better Moba mechanic than OW
>PUBG is more alive than OW
Why should I play Overwatch?

>>385815282

That it's possible for there to be "bad players" is proof that the game is challenging.

It's funny to me that fags want to have their cake and eat it by saying that the game is casual babby mode easy yet when you lose it's not your fault because 90% of the playerbase is shit. The delusion is incredible.

>>385812069
one on one winston?

sure anybody can kill that monkey fuck but the clock is ticking and he has 600hp. Unless you are reaper or a tank you're probably already fucked by the time you stop fighting the rest of the team to try and kill the monkey, and even if you do try to kill the monkey then you're fucked by the rest of the enemy team

>Complain that Roadhog is a one hit kill
>Nerf him
>Hanzo can still scatter shot tanks
>Also has Widowmaker's ult at the ready every 3-7 seconds

I don't get this fucking logic

>>385797712
there's 5 maps, also the arcade is never changed, always the same fucking maps on that shit. Why is it so hard to come up with ATLEAST ONE new arcade mode per week. Thats my biggest complaint, the balancing is fine imo, just the lack of maps and actuall content for a full priced game with a lot of micro transactions is fucking dumb. Also it always feels youre playing 3 out of those 5 maps

>>385814163
>The game is fun and challenging
If you've never played a shooter before.
Everyone moves at the same speed, everyone reloads their gun's entire clip at once, the hard counter system is annoying dogshit and discourages hotswapping by taking away ult if you do that, the maps are designed like someone wiped their ass with them, none of the guns are that hard to use, and it's impossible to carry your team in anyway due to the already mentioned hard counter system and VERY low mechanical depth.

>>385815508
>>CS:GO has the better shooting mechanic than OW
Pity the dim, what sets it up as better?

The standard game modes are really, really bad and this is, specifically because of the maps.

Literally none of the maps (main game mode) are fun to play on or have fun sprawling elements to them in the way TF2 maps were.

That being said, OW has the building blocks of a much better game then TF2 is or ever could be, I've played A LOT of TF2 and what makes TF2 fun can be found in OW and more blizzard.

1. doesn't know how to make good maps.
2. Can't make all the class interactions fair and fun in the way tf2 is
3. decided some key things that most likely won't be changed too early on

TF2 was not a skill heavy game btw, you could be skilled but it didn't require skill. literally everyone and their grandma could play it and that was the MAIN APPEAL. skill was not the focus of that game at all, though skill was involved at times.

I'm not gonna listen to you fucking retards erase decade old history and pretend tf2 was played because it required skill.

The pocket medic was a thing, w+m1 was a thing, shitty spy's and heavy's could dominate easily. TF2's main appeal was the fun aspect.

>>385808654
So does the enemy team, git gud, stop crying.

what purpose does the infinite ammo serve?

Junkrat.

Lucio is the best character in the game solely on the fact he's fun to move around with and I bet you they'll nerf it inevitably since Blizzard just has a hate boner for fun.

>>385816789
Keeping the action going.

When the Zarya main gets on mic and tries to tell your premade group how to support him on attack when all we had to do to win is have him switch to Winston and stick to the strategy.

>>385808638
Paladins

>>385816435
the actual aim mechanic :^)

>>385816636
And yet TF2's skill ceiling still makes games that are being toasted as "E-sports perfection" look like a pancake in comparison. I mean yeah TF2 was designed to be casual and still is, but someone who's gotten good at Demoman can absoluetly shit all over a entire server of shitty spy's and heavy's. Even if this almost never happens due to how broad the skill variety tends to be ever since it went F2P.
Really activates those almonds!

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Not enough pharmercy content in game yet

>>385802012
Quake Champions has a high skill ceiling though unlike Overwatch

>>385816998

E-sports is not built around skill. I can't think of one e-sport candidate that qualifies for it outside of fighting games and that was its own unique culture before fucking e-sports came on the bloc.

>>385797712

>Game pace is dictated entirely by the use of ultimates and action will always grind to a halt after the first skirmish for the point
>Huge emphasis on individual character skills that make certain characters must-picks because their tools are strictly better than another's, especially healers where the best support pick of the patch is picked 99% of the time
>Defense based abilities/classes are absolutely useless outside of shitter ranks because respawn timers are so long they'll never set up a proper defense after dying once
>Health brackets make basically no sense, as high mobility and self-sufficient heroes like Genji have the same health as low mobility/team dependent heroes like Zenyatta
>Classes inevitably cancel one another out to the point where individual skill is almost meaningless. Even the best Widow/McCree in the world has their effectiveness dampened by an average Reinhardt
>Less variety in terms of game modes means that the "arcade" elements of an arcade shooter get lost in forced adherence to esports rules and Bo3/5 formats

>>385816973
playing a hitscan in OW requires more aim skill than CS since the enemies actually move around

also
>RNG
>better shooting mechanics
kek

>>385815347
Top level Splatoon play is actually engaging and fun to watch. It's fast as hell, requires fast movement and fast thinking and offers the most movement options out of any shooter I've played. I bought a XB1 for Overwatch and haven't touched it in awhile.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4sVcSDFYdQ

>>385816998
Esports are decided by popularity. That's it.

Will a million people watch a game of hearthstone?

That's an E-sport.

>>385816789

They decided it wasn't "fun".

Honestly I don't massively care one way or the other.

It does mean they can never have a support characters who supplies ammo so I guess that limits the game a bit...

>>385817326

People actually genuinely think hitscan takes any amount of skill. Amazing. Especially with how slow everybody moves in Overwatch.

>>385817434

Ammo is as integral to a shooting game as reloading. You don't need it, but its absence is quite noticeable.

>>385817631
The only case I can think of Hitscan taking a modicum of skill is shooting at a Pharah, and even then it's pretty simple since she's almost stationary in the air.

t. Soldier Main since Season 1

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>>385816636

You say skill wasn't a requirement, but TF2 allowed for much more personal expressions of skill than Overwatch ever did. Character classes in TF2 counter each other much more softly than heroes do in overwatch.

>Pick the Sniper in TF2
>Have to have good situational awareness as to not get beaned by other snipers, stray explosives, and not get flanked by literally everyone, but as long as you could keep up with that and aim, you could shine
>Pick Widow in Overwatch
>Assuming your team hasn't already cussed you out, you move up to take your position an- Oh, the enemy team is all hiding behind Reinhardt and Winston has just started jumping at you. Better switch.

The only situation where this doesn't apply is when you look at Genji and Tracer, but that's just because hyper mobility is inherently imbalanced in an FPS.

>>385802325
>Interesting characters
>complaining because of diversity
So if they were white dudes they'd be interesting to you?

>>385817985
In Overwatch you depend on your team to counter what's countering you but chances are they're retarded so the concept falls apart there.

TF2 had much better balance in that you could play around anything but that didn't necessarily require skill, sometimes it just relied on the other player/players being bad or the literal random crits that were (and I'd imagine still are) in the game.

It was more dynamic but not necessarily skillful, at least not for the average player

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>>385798694
>play paladins instead
You clearly have no experience of how Hi-Rez treads their players. Besides, if you hate Overwatch why would you recommend something that is a total rip-off with even worse mechanics?

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>>385797712
this

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>A complaint I keep seeing in this thread is that character designs are boring/bland/uninspired.

Please anons, tell me how you would improve the character designs then. You don't have to be a master artist or even need to draw a picture, just tell me what you would change.

Because I actually really like most of the current character designs.

>>385805582
No idea. The only thing you can buy is loot boxes.

>>385797712
Horrible map design with too many choke points, very few weapons feel satisfying to use or impactful, dive characters were fun when they were a different way to play assault classes but now they're the norm rather than a flavor, and Blizzard nerfs a one-shot kill hero on one hand and then releases another one two months later.

terrible horrible no good very bad maps

>>385819102
Yeah, honestly the character designs, compared to most western ones, are pretty or at least fairly interesting and recognizable, in my onion. Even 76, the "stock soldier" character, is one of my favorites design wise.

ITT: bunch of silvers and golds talking like they know something.

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>>385817985
>the enemy team is all hiding behind Reinhardt
???

>>385818636

You really underestimate the potential of the average player, but you're right that the key is that TF2 let you solve most problems by yourself.

>>385816724
Yeah, so 50% of the time your randoms are worse than theirs. Or are you going to tell me about all those times you carried 1v6?

Fucking idiot.

It's popular
It's AAA
It stole the crown of class based FPS from TF2 because of valve's habit of wasting potential
The skill level entry is attractive to non-quake masters such as /v/

>>385819102
I think the designs are fine, sometimes really good but two interaction lines for like a handful of characters, per character is extremely weak in terms development for these characters.

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Mercy/Quotes#Interactions
This, should look something like
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Spy_responses#Domination-related_responses
This.

Not necessarily in the same way but at least with the same passion behind it, not everything needs to be mean-spirited but the character interactions seem kind of... robotic?

>>385798694
The only thing I'm really pissed off about is Blizzard's fucking diversity agenda.

Like, there was absolutely 0 fucking reason to make Doomfist this weird tribal african man complete with body paint and rags.

>>385820817
you can always change his skin into mecha chad

>>385820817
You say that there was 0 reason too but that is a self-defeating argument in that there's 0 reason not too because it's a surface level design choice.

It doesn't change how he's played at all so why does it matter?

>>385819102
If overwatch gets anything right it's the character design. Its the reason the game took off

>>385820410
The characters don't have much personally intentionally so that Tumblr can come in and inject some gay fanfic

>>385821251
>surface level design choice
Then explain why all of the post release characters were all non-white then.

>"b-but it doesn't affect gameplay!"
fuck off blizzcuck

>>385797712
very low skill ceiling in a genre that is defined by skill play

things that intentionally bring players' skill levels closer together like strong ultimate skills and mei's gun, genji's deflect etc

>>385821665
>Then explain why all of the post release characters were all non-white then.
Because they want more black characters, also robots don't have a skin color.

I'm not saying they don't have an agenda I think agenda's are inherent in human expression, I'm saying that it doesn't matter either way because it's surface level and doesn't effect how the game is played.

>>385812360
>WHY DONT YOU GO PRO IN VIDEO GAMES DUDE

this is shit kids say to each other now, kill myeslf

>>385820817
Character designs are probably the aspect of Overwatch that I have the least issue with.

Sure, it's pandering diversity focus group nonsense, but the game is a cartoon about an international mercenary group fighting some absurdly dysfunctional terrorist organization.

In fact, aside from Chu's consistently inconsistent mediocre writing and lore, the setting and story are the most interesting part of the game.

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it's just so HARD

old fps guy here
i have probably played every relevant fps game ever and played lots of them for thousands of hours

overwatch was worth 20 hours to me. because it simply isn't fun

>take genre that is about personal skill and viscerally dominating others
>completely remove the feeling of skill and the ability to dominate others
>left with skinner box 50 50 shit

those who play it, play it for the same reason people play dota. It's a gamble. I'm tired of being forced to rely on inferiors in video games, and I'm ditching out on any games with that concept in the future, forever.

Your personal skill doesn't matter.

The skill ceiling is extremely low to boot

So you reach a point where the entire game becomes frustrating to play because you can't realistically get better, but you are limited not by your own personal skill but rather, the random fucks you're teamed with, a competent team will beat a godly player teamed with retards every time.

>>385818778
paladins is legitimately more fun then overwatch though.

I don't support Hi-Rez after what they did with Tribes, that game was GOAT, yet they dropped development to jump on the league of legends cashgrab bandwagon, and now they're doing the same with overwatch.

>>385820817

How the fuck does tribal equal to diversity? I can't understand the root of your argument. Are you arguing because he's black or are you arguing because he's hilariously a caricature of a spearchucker?

>>385822846
Maybe both.

>>385821665

Jesus Christ, I guess I should have known better.

>>385822665
>a competent team will beat a godly player teamed with retards every time.
t. plat

>>385822971
Yep, its why I don't play overwatch regularly, I only play when friends are playing, and I just facepalm at how salty they get because to me its only clear as day that overwatch is a fundamentally flawed and unfun game.

>>385822846
>How the fuck does tribal equal to diversity

Do you see a tribal african man on the character roster? No? GOTTA FILL THE DIVERSITY QUOTA

Like seriously. There's nothing wrong with a character with an african ethnicity. It becomes insulting when they slap on fucking tribal face paint and several ooga booga skins to go along with it.

>>385797712
Not enough modes to play. How hard is it to make a horde mode with those bots from training mode?

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OVERWATCH KIDDIES

B L O W N T H E F U C K O U T

>>385823156
>25 heroes
>Only 5-6 of them are white

Hmm really makes me think

>>385798016

t. someone who has never played the game

>>385808638
Halo 3

>>385823376
still died lol

>>385823376
>literally just killed himself and nothing else for a few jumps
Wow, impressive.Both games are complete garbage

Here's what I don't get about the people who don't like OW because it's too diverse. Diversity is a theme of the game, it's quite obvious. The game isn't sacrificing what it originally was to pander to the MUH DIVERSITY crowd, they were always the target audience. Each time a new character comes out and you bitch that they aren't white, what the fuck were you expecting? You don't go to see John Wick and then complain that there wasn't enough romance, you go see a movie with romance if thats what you want.

>>385823740
titanfall 2 > TF2

>>385821665
>THE CHARACTER I'M PLAYING ISN'T WHITE ABLOOBLOOBLOO
Go back to your safe zone, snowflake.

>>385823982
Literally what reason do they have NOT to make a new character white? Jeff Kaplan is a Jew, John Goodman is a Jew, oh wait Jews hate white people, that's why!

You watch, the next hero will be a robot or another third-world shitskin.

>>385823982
>>385824162
You're missing the point, retards.

Take Doomfist for example. There's nothing wrong with creating a character with an african ethnic background.
What's retarded is how Overwatch art designers take it to a point where they have to scream, "HEY LOOK, AFRICAN TRIBAL MAN BECAUSE DIVERSITY AMIRITE"

It's not bad, but here are the flaws that made me sorta quit it.
-Abysmal map design that barely ever compliment the gameplay
-Awful balancing centered around not actually trying to solve the problem, but rather buffing and nerfing things on demand
-Very unambitious project in practical terms despite all the world building and effort they put in
-Too many completely unnecessary heroes, and still not having enough real supports and tanks

>>385824179
>Literally what reason do they have NOT to make a new character white?
because they already have a bunch of white characters, and as previously stated, diversity is a theme of the game.

>You watch, the next hero will be a robot or another third-world shitskin.
I never said otherwise. I actually implied that anyone who expects otherwise is dumb.
Good job on a pointless, worthless reply that contributed nothing to discussion except for giving me an opportunity to make fun of you

>>385798016
>literally one microtransaction. and it doesn't affect gameplay
>counter strike has done fine with next to no content over the years, oh wait, it has plenty of content
>wrong
>also wrong
>all fanbases are annoying
>all balance is shit
>this just doesn't make any sense

Do you have any valid points to make?

>>385824429
>7 White Characters
>3 Robot Characters
>SIXTEEN Non-White characters
So much for """Diversity"""

>>385824262
All of the hero designs are exaggerated and comical. Look at Torbjorn, McCree, Reinhardt. Even Tracer, the mascot of the game, is offensively british. These are caricatures as much as they are characters, Doomfist isn't an exception

>>385824686
That is about the distribution ratio on the planet. Probably especially generous to whites.

>>385824686

>All seven whites are their own category
>Not the other non-whites
>Two arabs
>Two mexicans
>Two Japanese
>One Chinese
>Etc

Oh look, your argument is blown the fuck out.

>>385824759
That's your argument (or lack of one)? Might as well bend over and take M'bele's BBC now, faggot.

>>385824262
If they just made a black dude with a big mechanical fist and nothing else, he wouldn't stand out at all.
Have you ever created a well-received and popular fictional character, anon?

>>385824686
If you think diversity is as binary as white and not white, you're pretty fucking obtuse

It depends on your IQ
IQ<100:It's ebin
IQ=100-130(the pseudo intellectual range):It sucks
IQ>140:Its one of the greatest stories ever told

>>385797712
It's boring as shit after a while. There is a certain dullness to the gameplay.

>>385824826
Literally all of those are not "white" you dumb fucking cunt

>>385824686
>there are only whites and non-whites
Never change, /pol/.

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>>385824842
Your argument is that because it's an American game the heroes should all be white, even the ones from around the globe?

The plot revolves around the best of the best heroes from around the planet, same as Street Fighter which somehow does not have idiots making these complaints.

Because it forces the idea that class-based shooters are better ""competitive"' games. I blame OW for fucking up Nu-Quake

>Small character roster
>Characters who are actually usable is even smaller
>Small map pool
>Imbalanced game modes make competitive a gamble

>>385823387
more like
>25 heroes
>10 of them are white
Soldier 76
McCree
Tracer
Widowmaker
Torbjorn
Junkrat
Roadhog
Zarya
Reinhardt
Mercy
That leaves 15 non-white characters and 3 of those are robots.

My main problems with Overwatch are shit teammates, and one-shot mechanics. I wouldn't mind a one-shot if it takes some skill, or is an Ult, I get those completely. But Hanzo gets a free kill roughly every 10 seconds, and that's in addition to his braindead Ult that usually gets at least a couple elims. Roadhog also used to get free kills every 10ish seconds (at least up until plat, nobody gets hit with that shit above plat). Also S:76 outclassing more than half the cast is pretty funny considering he was basically a joke character and training wheels for the CoD players. Not to mention the meta is completely dysfunctional, Lucio has been a 100% pick in pro-league for over a year, meanwhile half the cast hasn't been picked once.

>>385825082
>Your argument is that because it's an American game the heroes should all be white, even the ones from around the globe?

How the fuck do you figure that? My argument is that there were less white characters when the game shipped, and out of ALL of the new ones they've added, they haven't added a character that's white. And my question is: why?

>>385824936

I was pointing out the idiocy of making up a superficial category to get your point across. I mean, you're still dumb regardless because you're just a projecting jackass, but its very easy to point out your contradiction.

It's like stale bread with nutella on top. Tastes nice every time you take a bite, but becomes bland and unpleasant the more you chew.

>>385825267

They don't want to? Fuck off? Who cares?

>>385825323
>I am smarter than you because I said so!

Are you a sixth grader?

>>385825456

Look, man, consider yourself even grateful I'm going along with your bait. No need to make yourself THIS obvious.

>>385825267
Because the game lauds diversity as something important, and they want to include countries that have not been represented. This is not hard to understand

>>385825583
You said you were smart, but I'm not seeing it. Do you have quantifiable proof of your intelligence?

>>385797712
>Blizzard's chronic inability to balance and taking months to address problems with broken/useless characters (or never addressing them at all)
>Lack of content
>Very few game modes and one of them universally hated by the entire community
>No new game modes for a year
>Horrible ranking system that boosts retards to even the highest ranks
>Esport killed by Blizzard
There you have it

>>385825195
Roadhog is Polynesian.

>>385825679

Comparing myself to you is allll the proof I need, buddy.

>>385798561
I don't even have fun in overwatch when I win anymore

I just hate all the fucking characters. They annoy me to such a great length its hard to play the game.
I'll be playing with friends, having fun and then DVA will say some stupid fucking shit and it makes me want to find the writers and fucking fold them. On god.

>>385825823
>Comparing yourself to someone who is better than you in all regards means you are better

Ummm try again, sweetie

>>385825891

And now I'm bored. Try to be better at baiting without resorting to generic shit, alright?

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>>385824759
>White people create computers and graphics, the ability to even construct something in digital space.
>White people inhabit the civilized world they are more likely to have modernized skills for the Overwatch cast
>BUt WE IZ GLOBALISM
>WEZ GONNA REPLACE U NOW
>12 yr old african girl genius can invent a robot
no agenda

>>385826161
>12 yr old african girl genius can invent a robo
Dexter's lab has been a thing since the 90's.

>>385811521
other than the $50 profit is there any other way you offset the cost of buying the game on those accounts?

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The game isn't bad in its entirety, but the balance team needs a LOT of help and experience because they're moving at a snails pace, and over the games lifespan all they've done is:

>Push pharah, soldier, dva, ana and zen into playability

>Push out rein, mccree, zarya, widowmaker and to a lesser extent roadhog

5 heroes in, 5 heroes out.
Now theres 25 total heroes in the game.

4 of them will be in every game ever (Winston lucio tracer dva) because they're insanely broken.
And another 6 (Soldier, pharah, mercy, genji, zen, ana) will drift in and out as flex picks.

While the other 15 remain shit. Its boring.

And this is because the devs have some really weird design philosophies like

>Some heroes should be able to do everything themselves (Genji, Tracer, Winston, Dva, Soldier)
>Others should be extremely limited in what they can do and need help and rely on teamwork (Mei, sombra, mccree, reaper)

>For some reason hitscan heroes should have stronger attacks than projectile heroes, despite hitscan being infinitely stronger than projectiles in an online shooter

>Some heroes should be able to fight and kill you at any range (Soldier, pharah, genji) while other characters have designated ranged when they're strong and weak (Reaper, Doomfist, mei)

There's progress being made. Mercy has gotten better over the course of the game (Whether she should exist in the first place is debatable), Pharah has too, soldier is relatively better, mccree is NEARLY there.
And junkrat and roadhog buffs are coming


But there are other heroes like Hanzo, Mei, Bastion, Widow that need some serious buffs and redesigns to be on the same level as the good heroes

>>385826704
Bastion is fine, they literally just did a major rework on him.

>>385826704
What's wrong with widow? She seems fine.

>>385826161

>For some reason hitscan heroes should have stronger attacks than projectile heroes, despite hitscan being infinitely stronger than projectiles in an online shooter

This shit is ultimately what I hate about this game. It makes no fucking sense to take the riskier option unless its got some major benefit like Pharmercy. But Pharah on her own? Fuck that shit. She might as well not exist.

>>385827046

I'll explain to you the sad tale of bastion

>Shit since release, only good against players that dont know how to play
>Finally gets reworked, gets some needed buffs to his repair mode and recon gun so Recon mode isn't hot garbage
>As well as giving him damage resistance in his transformed modes because as anyone that can take one look at the top heroes will tell you: Mobility is king. And bastion sits still to fight, so bastion is shit

>In response they nerfed his sentry damage, increasing his spread so he cant hit shit and removing headshots
>And took away his tank form armour

>Then people bitched and moaned that he was good for the first time ever
>And then was promptly nerfed back into irrelevancy by having his damage resistance nerfed into shit tier

Now we're left with recon mode being a bad soldier 76 and sentry mode being basically useless, and tank mode being pretty darn weak as an ultimate that requires you to immobilize yourself at the start and end of the effect

Sadly he's worse now than he was before the rework, because at least before the rework the sentry form could actually kill smaller heroes fast with good positioning.

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>>385827120

Shes a niche koth pick on some maps when the enemy picks Pharmercy. Thats about it. Not really useful for anything other than that

The big problem that I have is that most of the damage heroes are more fun and engaging than healers and tanks despite how vital the other two roles are

The quality of the comp games that I get are absolute garbage because everyone wants to play damage, even if they don't know how, and nobody really wants to play as a tank or healer.

>three guys instalock dps
>start bitching at me to pick a meta healer or a meta tank since god forbid they have to play a role they don't like for the sake of the team

As someone who is often stuck playing these roles, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth because even if i'm good in the role that i'm playing, the dps often is either not capable of securing kills or don't know how to synergize with the tanks and healers.

Frankly, the player base at an average or lower play level is borderline retarded

>>385797712
shitty maps, enviromental kills, q to win, blizzard balancing,

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>>385828475
>basing hero balance on competitive pick rate

>>385828075
> Was promptly nerfed back into irrelevancy by having his damage resistance nerfed into shit tier
opinion discarded, that's how i saw you're full of shit faggot, bastion armour was TOO GOOD.

Bastion will never ever be meta ever again, he will not be picked ever again and he's always going to be shit tier, his entire design go against the design of the game itself. mobility is king as you said.

>>385808712
But you do achieve everything with no-aim heroes. The top performing characters are winston dva mercy lucio

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e-celeb cancer must cease

>>385816968
Thanks for that, had a mighty kek at your post. You can't be serious, surely.

>>385817206
Dota?

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>>385826464
It's actually $70-$80 profit. You can buy new accounts there for $20-$25.

Because Blizzard only makes games for chinese and koreans

>>385797976
this

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>trying to force competitive game instead of letting it grow organically like with ASSFAGGOTS and CS

When will companies learn?

>>385830310
Did you even read his whole fucking post? His damage got nerfed AS FUCK. Now you literally TICKLE people at medium range.

So we had 1) high damage but easy to kill, and 2) low damage but hard to kill. But both those good aspects got gutted and now he's shit at damage and survivability.

Lowest pick rate in silver and above, and you say he's fine? Retard.

Faggots who take the game so seriously, and a dev team thats willing to cater to "srs bizness" esport mentality rather than fun wortwhile content, its TF2 with any resemblence of a fun shooter ripped out of it by both the community AND the devs

>>385797712
This is just my own personal opinion, so take this with a grain of salt.

When it launched, I thought it was the best FPS ever made. I love the art style, I liked the hero idea, I enjoyed the mechanics and obj style combat.

I played from release up until Chinese New Year. Every day I played. Every day I played for fun and for ranked. Warm up in arcade or the junkenstien gametype or 1 on 1 to practice a bit more seriously. Then ranked for 2-3 hours straight.

I grinded all the skins I wanted. Haven't spent a dollar on the game after the initial 30$


Im done. It just doesn't interest me any more. I played a bit today to try the new hero out. The game just isn't fun anymore. Even after 6 or so months of not touching it, I played 2 games and just alt f4 in the middle of a comp match.

It just lost the appeal to me and I'm not entirely sure why.

>>385830007
yeah let's balance around bronze instead
oh wait - look where we are now

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>the daily "I hope everyone hates Overwatch too" thread

>>385825786
He's half white at least, his name is Rutledge

Only bad side is that I don't have friends to play it with

>>385810571
Pretty much. My biggest complaint is that it's attracted some of the assholes out of League and that people get pissed way to easily if you play somebody out of the meta, but I guess that can't really be helped. The "appealing to as broad an audience as possible" as a form of complaint is absolutely fucking stupid, and validates that those that think this way are just being contrarians. Especially when they say "play Paladins instead." Yes, leave Overwatch for crappy off brand Overwatch, but with MAGIC and FAIRIES!

>>385836697
Dangit, Bobby!

>>385810674
>IT GET GOOD AFTER YOU FIGURED OUT WHY YOU HATE THE GAME AND WANT TO MURDER THE DEVS

>>385835009
I got legit sick of the game a while ago, because Overwatch has some huge legitimate problems.

It's still extremely fucking obvious that these threads are primarily populated by screeching TF2drones mad about their dead game and /pol/tards looking to crusade against the next video game nigger.

>>385797712
I feel like ow is essentially taking every part of an fps that a person whos played them would hate and then applying it to every character.

Lets take for instance the amount of fucking stuns in the game, for some reason a dev team decided that allowing you to lose control of your character for a few seconds and hljust sit there waiting to die was a really awesome idea. Off my head theres:

Mcree flash
Mei everything
Ana dart
Roadhog hooks
And now doomfists everything

Its like everything in the game has to be a flow chart and go a certain way. Hell they put in a hacker just to take away your ability to use cooldowns which are essentially half your character to begin with.

For some reason rather than having simple design like say a double jumping glass cannon with fast movement, something that has nuance and rewards player ingenuity and skill, they just put in more shields, stuns, auto aims in an already slow as fuck game and then somehow its supposed to be fun. You dont really feel outskilled when you get hacked, you feel like youre waiting to die because they pretty much just killed your ability to fight back in some character cases.

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>>385839127
are you fucking stupid
just buy resilience nigga
it aint hard

>>385809264
>I /thread my own post
Neck yourself.

probably been said but idc
>fov
>20 tick
>loot boxes
>no trading (cause of loot boxes)
>no dedicated servers
>no modding
that's it for me. I may buy when it goes on sale for $20 or less.

>>385819817
Yes, that 75 damage will certainly do so much and won't get shot out before activating by a stray round or, worse yet, go off and feed the enemy support's ult since theirs is always better than yours.

>>385823156
>>385820817
Taking issue with diversity in a game about an international cast of characters is the dumbest fucking criticism I've ever seen on /v/ or elsewhere. It's like complaining about too many alien characters in a sci-fi game. The fact that the roster is diverse is implicit. If you're angry that non-whites exist it's not up to the devs to pander to you and make a game world that was created to be one thing (international) into being something else.

>>385839127
Don't forget Orisa's halt. Shit's annoying as hell. I'm tired of everything flying in all directions.

>>385841324
This.
Also ttk is too short for a game that requires so much teamwork, if your team doesn't click instantly you'll get absolutely buttfucked and snowballed.
Plus the community gets more and more cancerous by the hour.

>>385814247
People still buy Nickelback albums in 2017. Does that mean they're a good band?

A game as simple as OW should not have such a butthurt and anger prone community. It feels like I get bitched out or blamed for a loss every other game now regardless of comp or quick. I'd like to be able to pick an off meta hero or a slightly different strat without someone bitching and moaning all game.

>>385843376
Oh right, lets make people move even slower in a game thats already snails speed. My mistake.

>>385815669
>That it's possible for there to be "bad players" is proof that the game is challenging.
People like DarksydePhil and your mom is proof that a game doesn't need to be challenging for you to fail miserably at it.

>epic Q press the game
>people ask why its bad
Ok.