Sonic

Quality thread, faggot, go make a general at vg.

I love how the mods allow shit like this to exist but delete threads actually talking about video games.

I kinda wish there was an instance where the regular tan-color armed Sonic and green-sock Knuckles met with blue arms Sonic with yellow sock Knuckles.

Shadow the Hedgehog is a good game.

>>385796294
Mods love shit posting

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Lil biiiiits

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how come they don't want me man?

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>stopped using my headphones years ago due to my tinnitus
>have been using my cheap earbuds to listen to the new Sonic tracks
>they sound alright, nothing special
>overcame my fear and plugged in my old reliable memephones
>listen to the Mania tracks again
>they're some of the best and catchiest music I've ever heard in any video game

What else have I been missing this entire time

>>385797473
https://youtu.be/Z8cLe9ZUh1w
https://youtu.be/8Kg5O-78k9I
https://youtu.be/gZ8QpM6S3mU
Those are just 3 I came up with at the top of my head, holy shit youve missed a lot

Will it be the best Sonicvania ever?

>>385797419
Sluts are unnecessary for an adventure.

>>385797835
>segue
2/10 sounds like the same Sega composer that made the shitty scifi music for PSO.
>runners
2/10 sounds like stock instrumentals designed to be generic enough for licensing for commercials and slideshows.
>wisp
5/10 this one has a little life to it, but it's extremely repetitive with very little variation. It's like they found something okay by accident and didn't know what to do with it.

>>385796257
Not a general, it's a daily countdown and hype thread. Major difference.

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>>385796294
>Sonic now isn't Video games

Pirate Bay has all the best deals.

>>385797419
>how come they don't want me man?
too cute

>>385796294
Yeah, I agree. I really do love Sonic Mania and it's one of my favorite pieces of literature of this century, but it has no place on a board about video games.

>>385797419
Not fun to play as imo

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>>385797419

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5iLGWqg4M

>>385797419
Better as a cute level element that hangs on Sonic.

>>385797419
You never did anything worthwhile in the main classic games.

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Barring the iOS port, which my shitty laptop can't run, what's the best way to play Sonic 2? Sonic 1 and 3/K both have ROMs that greatly enhance the overall experience. Is there any such thing for 2 or is it basically flawless

>>385797954

It will be the best ludomania ever

>>385799389
Sonic 1&2 are best played on the 3DS as 3D classics imo.

>>385799389
sonic 2 heroes

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>>385796185 You rang?

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So what's with the sudden onslaught of furfags/Modern Amyfags? Do we gas them?

>>385799389
Sonic Classic Heroes.
Makes it so you can play through Sonic 1 and 2 with mechanics from Sonic 3 like elemental shields and the insta-shield while also having Sonic's acceleration upped just a tad. It's main mode is three characters at a time like Heroes, but you can change it so you can just play as a solo character or with two.

>>385796294
>Games I don't like aren't video games
Oh fuck off.

>>385799913
they were always here, they're just more vocal now

>>385799913
No you (embrace) them so you won't get triggered by them.

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>>385799201
Dangerously smooth

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What's the most retarded thing Modernfags say about Classic Sonic?

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>>385800129 Too much to fucking list man.

>>385800129
That Sonic 4 was fine and Classicfags need to get over themselves.

>>385800129
>Classic sonic has better track record

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the current state of thr sonic fanbase.

>>385800375
I like both modern and classic sonic but I have to agree

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>>385800463 Is my existence really worth it at this point?

Pre-ordered this game a couple of days ago. I am ready to have fun with Sonic again, after so long...

>>385799941

Shit's fun but the Special Stages in 2 are cancer with three characters. Other than that it's fun.

>>385800620
You can turn it off in the options.

>>385800129
Modern Sonic fans don't like Sonic, they like some Frankenstein's monster with the same name

Sonic games include 1, 2, 3&Knuckles, CD and that's it. Some of the spinoffs are also kind of fun but they are too different to call them proper Sonic games, ie 3D Blast, Knuckles Chaotix

Everything else is just an abortion as a videogame. Though I will accept Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 are perfectly playable but share nothing in common with the old games at all, so they are still not Sonic

>>385800463
are the japs as autistic about sonic as the rest of the fanbase? do they even want classic to come back in the same with mania?

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>>385800690 Get out of here Classicfag.

>>385800746
the japs don't give a shit about Sonic

>>385800759
>classicfag
What a non term considering Sonic games haven't played like Sonic games since Adventure

You ain't playing Sonic bruv

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>>385800759
>he says, in a Mania thread

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>>385800841
>>385800878
Each Sonic game tries to rework how Sonic plays and it worked at points. You are an idiot. I like the classics but Jesus.

>>385800690

So Sonic 4 doesn't count as a Sonic game either just because >muh physics?

>>385800620
Sure makes Labyrinth a complete non-issue with the bubble shields.

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>>385800690
>they like some Frankenstein's monster with the same name

The amount of splintering and division among the Modernfags that Sonic Team has caused over the past decade is truly staggering. Almost nobody know what they want because of them. I mean- yeah, sure- there's also autism, but still, Iizuka and his Yes-Men didn't help matters.

>>385800925
Sonic 1, 2, 3, & Knuckles and CD have the same core gameplay of pinball style levels. That's the Sonic gameplay, you pick up speed and your relative speed leads to relative elevation when you hit a flipper or bumper

>>385801012
It doesn't play like you are controlling a moving pinball, so no it's not Sonic

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How come Mario doesn't have this much hostility in his fanbase? Sonic's so bad it's separated into factions. Is it Sega and Sonic Team's fault for alienating it's original audience in an attempt to garner new fans? is it the constant fuck ups? or is the sonic fandom really just that autistic?

>>385801012
It's classic Sonic but bastardized. The original physics engine IS Sonic.

Why the fuck are only two Sonic games available as 3D classics?

>>385801191
*It's the Sonic Rush engine but minus the boost.

>>385801121 I'm mainly talking about Modern Sonic games. But even the you're wrong, CD was based on exploration, Sonic 1 was based on platforming and 2 was based on speed in some levels.

>>385801189
Mario got a lot of in-fighting as well. Just take a look at the 3D Land/World hating. It's ridiculous.

>>385801189
mario has consistently translated the 2d platforming to it's 3d games whereas sonic is radically different

>>385801189
Mario having more consistently good games probably helps quell the otherwise raging autism I would say.

>>385801251
Sonic 1 even without the spin dash plays like a pinball, several of the levels have hazards inspired by a pinball machine.

Sonic 2 also plays like a giant pinball machine.

How obvious does this have to be to get through your thick skull?

>>385801189
Sonic is one of the most mis-managed franchises in history. People want classic ones (which they're getting with Mania), people want boost ones (which they're getting with Forces) and people also want "Adventure" style ones (which they aren't getting at the moment.) It's fractured.

Mario's basically the same. You got the people that like the straight 2D ones, people that like the 3D Land/World style ones, people that like the 64/Sunshine style ones. Though Mario has never really had a problem getting into 3D because his gameplay is slower.

>>385801290
No, 3D Land/World are the first two games that play like classic Mario in 3D.

>>385801121
>It doesn't play like you are controlling a moving pinball, so no it's not Sonic

That's stupid. You can't just say it's a Sonic game, but they fucked it up and it's not a good one? You have to pretend it's not a Sonic game despite playing as Sonic and it being a 2D platformer like classic Sonic because it doesn't play as well as the old ones?
Also Sonic Rush was good.

>>385801348 With Sonic 1 you are correct. But where in Sonic 2 besides Casino Night was it like a pinball machine?

>>385801378
It's not Sonic without that core game engine. There wasn't even an attempt made, you fucking stick to ramps for fucks sake. It's not Sonic.

>>385801460
Every fucking level is filled with boosts, flippers, cannons, ramps, loop the loops, bumpers

Are you fucking retarded

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>Sonic thread
>has less than 100 posts
>people squeeze blood out of a stone by starting classic vs modern arguments

I'll see myself out,

>>385801525
>Pinball machines have boosters, ramps, cannons and loops.
What did he mean by this?

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reveal still makes me hyped af
https://youtu.be/xmkT113MLYI?t=5m14s

>>385801620
I think it's probably best to wait until something else major gets shown about the game like a new music track or level reveal until more threads are made.

>>385801631
>I have never played pinball so I have no idea what inspired the mechanics of Sonic and now I'm going to autistically note the exact same things don't exist because I'm not capable of fully using my fucked up brain
I'm tired of dealing with autistic brats, you people should be culled, you are not human

>>385799201
YEAH

BASS

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>>385801189
I find it fitting actually. The Sonic franchise is such a mess of conflicting gameplay styles and gimmicks that the fanbase being equally dysfunctional makes complete sense.

>>385801012
>trivializing physics like it's unimportant
>is literally the driving force of Sonic's gameplay
Sonic 4 not only has terrible physics, it's full of bad art, bad music, bad ideas, and it was even admitted that the game wasn't supposed to be Sonic 4 but they changed it at the last minute for quick destructive money.

>>385801726 Mystic Cave didn't have a single loop or booster, like Winged Fortress. Hill Top had almost no boosters. What are you saying? There are many more examples I'm not listing.

>>385801852
Mystic Cave has springs, ramps
Hill Top has flippers, seesaws
Winged Fortress has accelerators, ramps

Just because they have platforming doesn't mean they lose the key elements of the physics gameplay. Also for all other autistics, any spring loader style cannon or whatever is imitating how the balls are loaded into the machine for play

Yes, it doesn't need to look like a spring to be the same thing. Get over your autism

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Somewhat controversial opinion:

Sonic Adventure is arguably, the REAL Sonic 4. without the name.

Sonic Mania is either Sonic 5/Sonic 6, or Sonic 3 & Knuckles 3.9

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>>385801350
>Sonic is one of the most mis-managed franchises in history. People want classic ones (which they're getting with Mania), people want boost ones (which they're getting with Forces) and people also want "Adventure" style ones (which they aren't getting at the moment.) It's fractured.

Adding the side games into the equation fractures things even more. And then Sonic Team has the audacity to add YET ANOTHER gameplay style to the ever-growing list in Forces with the "Buddy" character. The absolute mad men.

Oh, and the whole

>PLATFORM as Classic Sonic
>GO FAST as Modern Sonic

Separation thing is beyond retarded and I wish someone would make it stop already. I've hated it since they started with the whole 2D sections in 3D meme because I immediately recognized it for what it was, and now they've gone and taken it a step further by making them completely different characters. And THEN they don't even have the decency to at least keep 3D Sonic full-on 3D and still include pointless little five-second 2D sections anyway. I mean, what the actual fuck is going on here? You can't have your cake and eat it too Iizuka.

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>>385802098
>Sonic Adventure is arguably, the REAL Sonic 4. without the name.
The E3 trial mentioned CD.

>>385802098
>Somewhat controversial

That's a bit of an understatement don't you think? I mean, even invoking the name "Sonic 4" alone is controversial.

>>385802131
I have a feeling before Mania was a thing, Classic Sonic was just gonna be young Modern Sonic again, but with Mania releasing alongside it now they decided to make it that Classic Sonic in Forces now is just a version of Sonic from another dimension, which is just lazy IMO. The Classic Sonic gameplay in Forces is gonna feel MEGA vestigial.

>>385798995
>pieces of literature
what the fuck are you talking about.

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who would win?

>>385797419
shitty character with no depth.

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>>385802098
you're playing with a stick of dynamite anon.

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>>385802294
I think you might have misunderstood what I said, or maybe, in my burst of pure unbridled autism, I didn't clarify enough: I'm really only talking about how Iizuka has essentially made Classic the designated "platforming" character and Modern the designated "go fast" character, when really the two things should be blended together where ever possible.

>The Classic Sonic gameplay in Forces is gonna feel MEGA vestigial.

I really do admire the sheer balls on Iizuka (or whoever is responsible) for doing this. Or does he really not realize how much better Mania's Classic Sonic looks compared to Forces'? I've never been too sure what goes on inside that man's head. I'm starting to think he's just super insulated and surrounded by yes men who don't call him on his bullshit.

>>385801189
Mario's actually an easier game to bring into 3D without drastically changing how the game feels. This means the different styles the devs have tried aren't as wildly different, so the fans of each style aren't so separated from the others.

>>385802592
Yeah I get what you mean and I still don't like it. I just want someone that isn't Iizuka to take control of the franchise already. He obviously wants to turn it into Mario or something, which you can especially see in Lost World.

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>>385802592

My theory is that the Japanese don't really care as much about muh physics as the western side of the fanbase does, so by extension Sonic Team doesn't really care either. I have no real proof of this.

>>385802332
The answer is yes.

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Name one (1) better Sonic adaptation

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>>385802694
>Yeah I get what you mean and I still don't like it.

For the record, I also hate the fact that Iizuka is making Mania a "different" Classic Sonic than in Generations. Really stupid and unnecessary.

>He obviously wants to turn it into Mario or something, which you can especially see in Lost World.

Yep, Lost World is my favorite Mario Galaxy fangame. Fucking Iizuka. But you know, a thing I've been thinking about recently is the idea of Nakamura, the guy who wrote for Sonic '06 and the guy producing Forces, taking his place once Iizuka retires. Now I could be totally off-base here and the man actually is secretly a genius, but given his track record... I'm a little concerned, to say the least. (Or it could be someone totally different, but I'm not sure who else has the credentials to take Iizuka's place.)

>>385802767
The Japs apparently don't give a shit about Sonic period, which I think is why Iizuka has been trying since SA1 to shove as much alternative gameplay shit as possible into Sonic games. I think Japan loved SA1 because of that too which further enabled this behavior.

>>385802898
You can only read Sonic The Comic in british accents.

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>>385803443
I appreciate how much Sonic bullied Tails in this comic.

>>385803159
The way he's doing this really doesn't make sense. Mania is gonna be a part of the classic storyline where it's taking place after the Floating Island fiasco, so why is the Sonic in Mania not apparently canon or whatever? He has no idea what he's doing story wise aside from giving people headaches.

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>>385803607
It might just be a really shitty attempt at cross-promoting Forces and Mania and he's trying to brute force it into the canon somehow in a half-assed attempt to appease fans who would question it. Either way, I'm happy to ignore Iizuka's "two Classic Sonics" nonsense until it actually impacts Mania's story somehow. With any luck, it won't.

I mean, this is the same man who presented us with the "two Sonic worlds" thing which is equally if not more retarded. Guess we'll have to see how it all shakes out. 14 days remain.

>>385804190
Yeah, I guess all we have to do now is wait. I don't think anymore things will be shown aside from maybe one more music track and the release of the opening animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQIyncIy5Y

>>385796185
>Series is getting two games this year, both of which look promising
>People still whine and bitch
Sammy was right
Why won't you people learn

>>385802314
It's a fucking videogame, you obtuse cunt.

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>>385804570
>Forces
>promising
if you like neutered boost gameplay, bad classic gameplay, and gimmicks sure.

>>385804570
Mania looks absurdly promising for a fan of the classic games, but Forces just looks kinda like a neutered Generations. I guess it'll be fun, but eh. From what I remember from the OC types the bird and bear types seem to be the ones that actually reward playing the game properly aside from all the others where it's just a revision of "when you get it something different happens."

When will Forces fix its horrible UI? Why do you need that cancer growth of a ring counter? What's going on with that oversized gun(?) meter that the OC gets?

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>>385796294
>threads actually talking about video games
So Sonic mania threads?

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>>385804570
>Forces
>promising

>>385804570

Whos whining about Mania?

>>385796294
Go post this in those shitty FFXIV threads.

>>385800925
And never did these attempts reached, let alone surpassed the greatness of the classic games.

>>385807190
That's because Sonic Team for the longest time refused to stick to one style. They've eased a bit in the boost era but it's still pretty linear.

>>385802131
>little five-second 2D sections
Oh how I wish that was actually the case. City Heights is fucking 70% 2D sections.

What did he mean by this?
https://twitter.com/teelopesmusic/status/892080237261066240

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Where my CD bros at?

>>385808423

Act 2

>>385808423
Probably that Act 2 of the zone will be the more up-tempo style of track that the original was, with those voice samples that people love.

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CHRIS CHAN JUST FUCKING BROKE INTO IIZUKAS OFFICE A FEW MINUTES AGO HOLY SHIT

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>>385810084
Thanks for reminding me to check the wiki

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>>385810084
IT'S CHRISTINE NOT CHRIS YOU WHITE CIS MALE

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>>385810708
A cut on your taint =/ A vagina

>>385810870
I'm just surprised the fuckers still alive honestly

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>>385802898

>>385810949
same
i'm just sitting here wondering if he regrets anything

>>385811291
come on anon, you already know the answer

>modern sonic fags still insisting the new games are good
>games consistently underwhelming to downright awful like sonic boom
>games selling less and less
>general public no longer loves sonic
>even furfag fans are less rampant

>>385801350
Sound like Dawn of War.

>>385810084
source PLEASE

>>385808535
Here

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Today my work rotas for the week Sonic Mania is released should be up. I'm really hoping I have Tuesday off.

>>385800690
you forgot about sonic advance you dumb faggot.


Colors is pretty good too.

Sonic 2 and CD fags are worse than Nintendodrones

>>385813821
Sonic 2 and CD are great games. You're just one of the fags who thinks 3&K is the only good Sonic game and nothing else, and anyone someone praises a game that's not 3&K you go ballistic.

TWO WEEKS
TWO WEEKS

GIMME GIMME NOW

TWO WEEKS
TWO WEEKS

I DON'T CARE HOW

>>385813821
1fags are worse than both desu. At least 2 and CD are good games, 1 is the worst in classic series and aged the worst.
>inb4 1fag tells me to git gud
I've played it since childhood, still not amazing.

>>385814076
1fags don't exist though. I almost feel bad that Sonic 1 is so ignored but the three games that succeeded it all did what it did, but much better. The first game was just sorta made obsolete.

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>>385814340
>1fags dont exist

>>385814439
I think I have only ever seen ONE 1fag in my life and it was in a Mania thread. He basically crashed the thread by throwing a tantrum over people considering CD to be better than Sonic 1, and then a fellow CDfag came in and really stirred the pot with "Pshh...This child...Everyone knows CD is better than even 3&K" and then the thread really went to shit.

What a day that was.

>>385813967
>You're just one of the fags who thinks 3&K is the only good Sonic game and nothing else
These people literally don't exist. It's just that 3&K is objectively the best one and you're literally retarded for thinking otherwise.

>>385814076
>1 is bad maymay
Stop.

>>385814340
They exist, they're just extremely rare because most already know 1 is outdated.

>>385813967
>>385814076
>sonic 2 and cd
>good
you're the reason why "Sonic was never good" meme lives on.

>>385814772
I never said 1 was bad. I said it was the worst in the classic series and isn't amazing which is true in both cases. The other games do the exact same things better.

>tfw still listening to Stardust Speedway Act 1
Honestly might be my favorite track from the game so far.

>>385814772
>These people literally don't exist
>>385814994

This is the kind of behavior you're fostering. If someone wants to hold 2 or CD as their favorite, let them. The 3&K cult has gone far enough.

>>385812849
I hope so too, anon. Everyone should be able to get to play Mania the moment it launches.

>>385814994
>2 and cd are the problem
>not anything after 3&k
>>>>3&k is the only good sonic game
what the fuck is this alternative history

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>>385815015
>At least 2 and CD are good games
>I never said 1 was bad
>At least 2 and CD are good games

>>385815261
meh ≠ bad

>>385815261
>This 1fag will never stop being butthurt

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YEH HEH

>>385796294

It's ironic how I only see posts like this in threads that actually talk about video games

>>385815387
Such a good sample.

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>>385797419
People who don't want Rosy:

>are too stupid to differentiate Classic Amy from Modern Amy
>have not read Sonic Mega Drive to realize how she can be made into a good character
>have not played the 1-3K Amy romhacks to realize how perfect her gameplay style fits with the Classics
>don't even know she was always featured in artwork with the other 3 in the Saturn era, which Mania is based off of

>>385815386
But my favorite game is 3&K. Sonic 1 is just not a bad game by any means.

>>385815392
STOP TALKING ABOUT GAMES I DON'T APPROVE OF REEEEEEEEEEE

>>385815592
I'd be totally fine with her being a character in Mania. It would be a cool unlockable to get if you beat the game three times with Sonic, Tails and Knuckles.

>>385815601
No one claimed it was, it's just outclassed by the other three classic games. Look man, I know how you feel, I'm a huge Mega Man fag who hates that MM1 is so overlooked but sometimes you just have to let go.

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just finished megadrive version of 3D blast was surprisingly good special stages are to easy though, I had only played the PC version previously

>>385815601
It looks bad compared to the rest. Otherwise it's a good game on a system that's honestly underwhelming compared to the SNES library if you weren't a sports fan

>>385815592
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE THE TRIO ONLY FOR AUTHENTICITY REEEEEE
I honestly hope she's put in so I have another excuse to replay the game

>>385815786
Mega Drive soundtrack is so good.
Especially Diamond Dust Act 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRkOFlIdsQ

>>385815261
Semantics. You can't argue with people who are deliberately being ambiguous.

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>>385815995
Sonic Tails Knuckles and Amy are always put in a quartet now anyway. Even Classic wise.

>>385815786
dem special stage musics tho

>>385815786
I like more of the Mega Drive's soundtrack compared to the Saturn one (and I guess the PC one?) A lot of the Saturn tracks are pretty moody, but some just kinda miss the point. Lava Mountain MD is so much better then Lava Mountain SS.

>>385815592
I don't think she has to necessarily be playable, just make her have some form of cameo at least.

>>385816213
Well it makes sense cause she's from CD. She's a part of the classic set.

>>385796185
Show me your collection
https://youtu.be/kXszwP3sSKc

>>385815592
>romhacks

>>385817673
I never read the comics. All I know is Ken Penders is a douche

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>>385817815
What's the issue?

>>385802767
Your proof is that Sonic Team didn't even get the basics of classic Sonic right. Twice. Fuck he can't even roll properly or spindash without auto uncurling which is half of what you did in the old games.

>>385817849
>Ken Penders threw a fit when he got canned for his awful OC-ridden stories
>Had an insider at Archie start the fire that destroyed the original documents securing them as the rights holder to the characters he used
>Took them to court over this and won, cleaned them out and barred any OCs from his arcs from ever being used again
>Forced a soft reboot of the comic continuity because of this
>Later tried to claim that Knuckles should be his property too
How can one man be this autistic and petty?

Has there been any confirmation of super modes for the characters yet? Favorite part of S&K was becoming Hyper Knuckles. Not gonna lie, I'd be majorly let down if Sega doesn't allow this to be included.

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>>385818243
nope, you're welcome

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>>385818208
It was sort of fucked up. Weren't all his character essentially written out of existence, including Knuckles gf? He's even trying to fucking sell comics right now using his OC.

>>385818243
super modes will probably be in, they stopped doing hyper etc for a reason

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>>385818243
There's Special Stages.

>>385818243

Sonic will def have one because these guys aren't hacks. It remains to be seen if the 'zuka will allow Tails or Knuckles their super forms. Or if Tails can even use the regular emerdudes.

>>385818553
The special stages are so sexy
those chunky fucking models

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>>385818439
>Weren't all his character essentially written out of existence, including Knuckles gf?
Yep. Everything involving Knuckles got ground zeroed post-Penders.

>>385817673
I never collected the comics, but I've seen bits and pieces and I didn't really mind them. That Ian Flynn guy knows how to write Sonic characters pretty well, except Ray. His stuttering got annoying as fuck.

>>385818439
A character called Thrash the Tasmanian Tiger used a warp ring and put all the echidnas in it and sent them to the end of spacetime where they'll never be seen again.
Honestly don't care though. Thrash is a top bloke.

>>385798502
>shitty scifi music for PSO
shut your goddamn niggerloving whore mouth

Post more 3D blast music. That soundtrack is way better than it gets credit for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiSP3kWiTPs

>>385820003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa0D1aUJwk
Very nice stuff. Can't believe they turned this into that awful Central City song in Chronicles.

mania threads around the clock. do you guys ever sleep?

>>385820279
Guess there's always someone up to start a new thread whenever. Talking about it daily I guess makes the wait feel shorter? Which is probably wrong.

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>>385820279
Well it isn't like we all spend every waking moment in these threads.

I'm so fucking glad Hydrocity is in. Only zone I like more is Lava Reef.

>>385820491
I need Mania Hydrocity and I need it now.

>>385818553

That shit looks like megaman legends and it's super hot.

>>385820225

https://youtu.be/24RUlAwjv2c

I never realized saturn version had a different spundtrack till this thread, and most of it is awful. This zone's Saturn track is good, but this Genesis version is still way better.

>>385820612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9KOBZ7i3-w

>>385821707

Same of puppet panic zone.

https://youtu.be/0RxPKpmlkxQ

>>385821973
I really can't wait to hear how he's gonna remix it now with all the experience he's gained over the years.

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>Make a bunch of essential improvements to two games
>Release them on the worst platform possible with an even worse control scheme
>Impossible to play on it's native platform due to it's controls and impossible to emulate due to DRM and other bullshit
SEGA you fucking dunce.

What zone do you guys usually get complete super emeralds in s3k?

>>385822047
The controls are fine though. I'd prefer a controller, but they get the job done.

>>385822198
Lava Reef usually. The S&K secret rings are stupidly well hidden.

>>385822047
>essential improvements
Like what?

>>385822047
It was because of some nintendo exclusivity deal that didn't cover mobile or something
there is no excuse not to release them on other platforms now though
>>385822198
lava reef act 1 I could only ever find the obvious ones

>>385822373
Well, constant 60FPS even when rings fly everywhere and it being widescreen. Also an extra zone in Hidden Palace.

>>385820003
>>385821707
>>385821994
The Genesis soundchip could do some really amazing shit.

Is Sonic 3D Blast worth playing? I've been doing random Sonic games and I beat 1, 2, 3 and Knuckles and I'm wondering what else I should hit. Got most of the way through CD, should finish that off.

>>385822475
Apart from constant 60 FPS, I wouldn't call them essential.
Then again Sonic CD did look really good in widescreen.

>>385822198
All regular Emeralds by Hydro Act 2
All Super Emeralds by Flying Battery Act 2

>>385822047
The remake of Sonic 1 lets you play as Tails and Knuckles finally, there's a hidden seventh special stage in Sonic 1 now so that you can get seven Emeralds as opposed to six, and Marble Zone has new alternate paths for Tails and Knuckles.

Sonic 2 replaces that infamous spike pit in Mystic Cave with a hole that leads to a now completed Hidden Palace.

Both games are now in Widescreen HD at a smooth silky 60 FPS.

>>385822616

It drags in a couple levels, and some stages are just overall way too big for their own good, but for the first game to try sonic in a 3D space it's pretty good desu.

>>385822198
Usually Mushroom Valley Zone or by maximum Flying Battery. Played it so much I made it my goal to memorize where I find the Super/Hyper Rings in that game it's ridiculous.

>>385822616
It's alright, soundtrack is easily the best part.
The isometric controls feel sometimes bit awkward.

>>385822661
Have you seen the remade special stages from Sonic 2? that IS essential, believe me. Also the Widescreen helps a lot

>>385822731
I love how in the S1 remake you could also turn on elemental shields at the menu you could change the emerald count to 7.

>>385822995
No. I never really had too much trouble with them in the original.

>>385822198
Mushroom Hill because good luck finding the rings in any other zone

>>385823656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU-3wd5KZz0

>>385823921
How could you even return to the Mega Drive ones.

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>>385823921
RELEASE IT ON STEAM ALREADY SEGA

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>>385824628
Don't worry bro, after Mania they'll work on a Taxman 1, 2, and 3K bundle for PC and consoles.

>>385797473
>Worrying about tinnitis
Chill man its nothing .

Reminder that the countdown website isn't synced with Steam unlock hours.

In one hour we will be EXACTLY 2 weeks away from release.

Soon, brothers.

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>coworker asked to switch days with me
>now I got monday off and will be able to marathon all the main Sonic games before Mania releases at 9pm on PSN

>>385824770
I hope so, Taxman was already doing a proof of concept for 3.

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>>385825980
Almost certain I'll be at a relative's house when Mania comes out. Should we play as Sonic and Tails or should I wait until I get home the next day and play by myself?
Both options are enticing but I can't decide which will be more enjoyable for me.

>>385800690
You forget sonic pinball.
And d game gear

>>385801189
Mario only appealed to one type of autist.

>>385800746
i think i saw a japanese woman pretend to give a bj to a sonic plushie once and that's about it

>>385799913
they think taxman is reading this.

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Saturn-chan finally gets the sonic game she deserves

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What if Rouge got into Sonic Boom?

>>385828469
Leave

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>>385824770
>>385826394

Sonic 3 will literally never happen. Taxman tried to get off the ground but SEGA rejected it.

M2, the people behind the SEGA 3D Classics games on 3DS, made their own 3D versions of Sonic 1 & 2 but once again weren't allowed to touch Sonic 3. There's clearly some sort of legal issue going on with the game's soundtrack that SEGA can't be assed to address.

You're just gonna have to settle with Sonic 3 Complete, I'm afraid.

s o n i c w a v e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp0_u9jmQwY

>>385828469
I want to cuddle with that thicc bat and massage her duct taped feet

what's with Sonic Boom and duct tape anyways? inb4 some joke about fixing the characters

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>>385829052
>There's clearly some sort of legal issue going on with the game's soundtrack that SEGA can't be assed to address.
just fucking use the PC soundtrack running on the Genesis synthesizer and be done with it, the purists can mod the Genesis songs in anyways

Taxman remaster of sonic 4 when?

>>385802898
Why was Super Sonic portrayed as a deranged psychopath in this? Did Hyper Sonic ever appear in it?

>>385829052
I don't get why Sega doesn't pull a Sonic CD and do a completely new soundtrack that is higher quality. Purists will bitch, but I would be curious to see what people could pull off + get around the legal bullshit that seems to have plagued the game forever whenever they want to do a version that isn't a straight emulated version.

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>>385829052
>There's clearly some sort of legal issue going on with the game's soundtrack that SEGA can't be assed to address.
How does it feel when you're alone and you're cold inside?

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>>385829468
>he finds a way to make it great

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Hey guys, I'm a big help in the Special Stages, right?

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>>385830043

>>385830186
You son of a bitch. At least you learn your lesson in 3&K and do nothing the entire special stage

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>>385829468
>>385830043
You'd pretty much have to completely remake Sonic 4 from the ground up to make it work. Literally every single thing about it is terrible.

Let it go and move on. Sonic Mania basically is the Sonic 4 we've been waiting for anyway.

>>385830434
This. It's like when people say they should remake 06. You'd have to rework literally every single thing about the game, so what's the point? If you have to change it so much that it practically becomes a new game, why even bother? Why not just make a new original game instead?

>>385830812
It's easier to change something bad into something good than it is to make something new for some people. You already have the skeleton, the foundation, all you have to do is swap out some shit. You can even swap out out the foundation later down the line.

>playing Taxman & Stealth Sonic 2 on Bluestacks for the first time
>enabled elemental shields, insta-shield, and Tails Flight Assist
>widescreen
This is mindblowing. I have finally experienced the patrician way to play Sonic 2. Sonic Classic Heroes is close but my last playthrough softlocked and made me really furious and it hasn't been updated since 2013 so I doubt they'll fix the remaining bugs.

My only complaint is that Bluestacks doesn't have built-in controller mapping so I have to use xpadder and there's a very slight input delay.

>>385818208
>Later tried to claim that Knuckles should be his property too
This is the part that always makes me mad. How fucking stupid can one person be?

>>385818243
At least there will be Super Knuckles like in Taxman's sonic 2 port. If it isn't there would be no point of collecting emeralds.

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>>385799913
Well first we got invaded by /sthg/, then Sonic Retro came, then SFGHQ, and now probably Sonic Stadium and /trash/ are here.

>>385822198
Used to be Flying Battery but now it's Mushroom Hill.

>>385802898
>those British teeth

>>385825980
You mean this?

http://mania.charlez245.com/

How do you know it's synced up with the Steam countdown?

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>>385829468
We already have Sonic 1 & 2.

>>385832378
kek

>>385822373
>>385822661
WIDESCREEN AND HIDDEN PALACE YOU BITCH. AND THE OPTION OF THE INSTA SHIELD AND ELEMENTAL SHIELDS FOR SONIC 2. New Knuckles and Tails paths too.

>>385829863
He's chaotic

>>385815592
>>have not read Sonic Mega Drive to realize how she can be made into a good character
But Mega Drive just uses the modern characters with classic designs. Tyson Hesse's art is really good, but the writing and story itself is bland and a little obnoxious.

>>385832578
Where's the steam countdown? I wanna know exactly when this game is out.

>>385797473
If you're worried about tinnitus then drop the earbuds all together like I did

headphones are just fine friend

>>385833265
I don't know, which is why I'm asking. The closest thing that I know of is the store page:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/584400/Sonic_Mania/

>>385818243
The panel stated there will be no super emeralds to avoid "escalation", in reference to dbz getting new Super saiyan forms every season.

>>385830186
>people that can't handle Tails in special stage
lmao I guess you are the special here.

>>385833426
It's got days but not minutes or seconds. And I guess it syncs up to where I live cause it says it's coming out on the 16th for me.

>>385833590
For me it says 13 days, which sounds like it'll unlock shortly after Monday's midnight. If that's the case I'll probably do an all nighter since Tuesday is a day off for me anyway.

>>385833748
13 days for me as well. Damn, it's so close now.

>>385831784
>sonic stadium

Please don't summon that /r9k/ tier echo chamber

>>385831784
>then Sonic Retro came
>implying they weren't here since day one

>>385833992
I only come on /v/ occasionally.

Just imagine if Super Sonic gets his own fucking theme

>>385834483
Like in Sonic 4?

>>385830812
That would be easier. Just optimize to reduce load times, bugfix, fix the physics, and add a chao garden.

>>385834589
Never happened

>>385834483
Is it just going to be the main theme again? Not that I'd mind, I love that tune.

>>385834483
>>385834589
>>385834841
Like in Sonic 2?

>>385835108
That's what I'm talking about. I'm still angry over Sonic 3 and Knuckles forcing me to listen to that obnoxious tune.

>>385834483
Like the Sonic 3 PC version and Sonic 3 Complete

>>385822198
For the Chaos Emeralds Hydrocity Zone
For the Super Emeralds Mushroom Hill or Flying Battery.

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>>385835227
>S3 and S&K force you to listen to a 5 second theme on loop
>S2's Super theme is 20 seconds on loop so it's bearable
>Sonic 3 Complete's optional Super theme is 55 seconds on loop

>>385802314
He was being sarcastic, babe.

>>385835816
Sonic Mania's Super theme should be an original song with Tee Lopes singing.

PLAYABLE AMY FUCKING WHEN

>>385822198
From my 3C session yesterday
Emeralds in Marble 1, Super in Lava Reef 2
Never been good at finding those rings

>>385836031
>tfw Amyfags getting cucked by When
Feels great

>>385836031
When Sonic Adventure or Sonic Advance get a spiritual successor. Or maybe she'll bring her car to Sonic R2 by the Mania team.

>>385831784
those groups are probably all that comprise these threads to begin with

PLAYABLE
AMY / ROSY / PINK THE HEDGEHOG
WHEN

>>385836031
>>385836367
wait for mods

>>385796185
the

>>385797419
Why did they stop having her hammer attack boost her into the air after Adventure 1? That was the only reason playing as her could be enjoyable, jumping around and keeping momentum.

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>tfw shed a tear when hearing the new Stardust Speedway song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5iLGWqg4M

If you had gotten a Sega CD with Sonic CD back in 96 you would understand

>>385836151
Who's When?

>>385837252
The one fucking Amy.

>>385837310
Is that your OC's name or something? What a fag.

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daily reminder

>>385802332
A 2D game that harkens to the classics and although it is a good game also majorly pulls on peoples nostalgia
or
A game clearly meant for a different demographic that is by far harder to make than what is for basically a classic fan game

FTFY.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTcnenPWFsY
>He's gonna buy Sonic Mania on the Switch

>>385837637
My Oc is the concept of time

Gotta blast!

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>>385796185
What do you guys think of Robo Blast 2?

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>>385837637
Wow, you're a massive retard.

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>>385837837

>>385802898
The Ride 2, when?

>>385838210
I'm a retard? I'm not the one who has his furry OC fucking a pretend pink hedgehog.

>>385838484
please tell me you're pretending you didn't get the joke

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>>385838484

>>385838703
Did you mean to post this on /b/?

>>385838703
fuck that was not meant to be a reply

>>385838703
Make Nigger Sonic playable

>>385838484
>I'm not the retard, YOU guys are!

>>385838794
It's alright, just delete the post and try again.

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So now that Hydrocity Zone is basically confirmed due to the leak, let's go back to the main discussion of The Hole.

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>>385838180
It's pretty clunky but there are definitely some neat ideas. If the controls were a lot more refined it'd be a lot of fun

>>385838180
Has the slopes update come out yet?

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>>385838484

>>385829863
roided

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>>385838284
>using a Unity game as a comparison

Switch-fags on the suicide wish list

>>385839743
>Hydrocity is practically confirmed
>but Angel Island can't be under South Island
How do you explain this paradox!?

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>>385838484
How can one person be this stupid?

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>>385839743
Eggmen is going to fly out of the hole and drag Sonic to the next zone. Unless one of the new zones takes place on South Island, I fail to think of a creative way they'd transition Sonic to the next zone.

>>385831615
don't forget real 3D special stages that run at a constant 60 FPS

>>385838484
well baited son

>emulate sonic 2 as mania prep
>get all the way to the death egg in one try, kid me would be proud
>proceed to lose all of my lives to silver sonic
fug

>>385838180
I don't understand why the character sprites are based on the cartoon.

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>>385841102
>it was bait that's all
face status: unsaved

>>385841743
Anon Silver Sonic is a joke, just charge spindash on his landing spot, hit him 4 times then let go
Then jump on his head 4 times and bingo

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>>385841743
Try playing Knuckles in Sonic 2. Death Egg Robot suddenly becomes a lot tougher due to the red bastard having a lower jump. Silver Sonic is easy, just charge a spin dash as he's descending to do 4 hits on him.
The rest are easy to deliver too.

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Amyfags get out!
These threads are resevered for Rosyboys!

>>385841743
>silver sonic
You're playing the master system version?
He isn't even hard.

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>>385841743
>lose all of my lives to silver sonic

>>385822047
I think these games support controller tho

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I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER

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3D sonic games are ba-

>>385844013
What you gonna do? Kill you are self?

>>385844634
I hope he does, so I can laugh at his obituary

>>385844486
You can't fool me, that's obviously Glover.

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>>385844749

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>>385844827

>>385844827
instead of saying WAHOO he says OH YEAH

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https://twitter.com/CFWhitehead/status/892436162790400000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

It begins.

I can't believe people want Amy in Mania. Sorry but this is a game for true Sonic fans, it won't have a story so there's no reason for Amy to be here, even if she existed in CD most people forgot about her until the ending cutscene showed her and even then, her appearance there meant nothing, sonic didn't go there for her, he went to stop robotnik, why add and unnecessary character just to appease some degenerate perverts? It's baffling that people would choose this of all things to bitch about Mania when so far it's doing everything Sonic should be about until now, it's like you want to hate this game for any reason.

Look, if you like Amy, fine, that's great, go play Forces or watch Boom, but don't ruin our game just because you're a selfish furfag. As much as we deeply want it, Mania isn't going to replace the modern series or mark the absolute end of the 25 year history that is Sonic with a new beginning, you even have your fucking comic books coming back, leave this alone.