Which is the better gamekino, Doom or Wolfen(((stein))) ?

>>385789084
Both are stupid garbage that normies play.
Anyone who disagrees is a fucking normie.

>>385789175
FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEE

>>385789084
Doom plays better.
The firearms in Wolfenstein don't have enough impact and also tries to lead me more into doing stealth takedowns.

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>>385789175
>>385789985
>normies
>>385790089
This desu I also just like the general feel of DOOM more, also DOOM has a great multiplayer.

>>385790089
>don't have enough impact
Sure, maybe the shotguns could use a little more oomf but the assault rifle was amazing and you cannot deny it.

>stein is a jewish name
stop this meme

>>385792543
BJ is a polish jew......

>>385789084
they're both great
> doom is better

>>385789084
Doom by far. Wolfenstein is basically just alternate history cod.

Anyone who has ever posted like (((this))) does not deserve to be taken seriously as a person

>>385792162
I personally like dual wielded AR's. I'm not a fan of wolfen(((stein))) but the AR's design is top notch. I'd prefer it if there was a NS campaign, You could play as a SS Officer taking out communist resistance forces. It really rustled my jimmies when the devs said they were "pushing the boundaries" because the american fighting Germans trope is too old, it's the least ambitious thing out there.

>>385792765
>Not liking memes, that get jimmies rustled.
Why you here bro?

>>385792162
>>385790089
Dunno if it's my computer but every single weapon in TNO and TOB sound like pellot guns and have zero impact, and other games I play do not have this issue.

DOOM on the other hand has the music so loud that the guns are hardly audible.

>>385789084
>kino

drink bleach immediately

>>385789084
DOOM for sure

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>>385792986
>not adjusting your audio settings
These feels, don't feel good anon.

>>385793230
I have, it doesn't help. Overall audio in the game is just too quiet, even if I turn everything else down it won't change the fact that the base audio is too low.

Nothing I can do to change the audio in this damn game.

>>385792765
Shut up nigger.

>>385793301
You try turning off the music, & playing a play list of your own?

>>385789084
>console FPS

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>385793415
Oh, I thought we were talking about wolfenstein.

My issue is Wolfenstein audio is too low, but DOOM is easily fixable.

They're both pretty fun

>>385789084
Doom is way better.
Without the cutscenes or scrounging the levels for shitty collectibles, Wolfenstein's levels are really short and narrow. Also, too much story padding.
That said, Doom is short too, but it's a whole lot bigger and more expansive than Wolfenstein

>>385792851
P-Please don't bring politics or ethnics into this.

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>>385793442
Shiet, I just noticed he used PS Versions.

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>>385793512
Ahhhhh my bad.

youre asking game, then sit and argue weapons/ specifics.

wolfenstein is a better game by far, branching path of plot, characters, dialog, writing that goes beyond bad puns and the 5 minute intro,

as game, doom is nothing more than a series of kill room encounters, its poorly designed

also doom tacked on last minute the unlockables, collectibles, and whatever else to pad the game's apparent lack of content

as a story, wolfenstein is more engaging, more orchestrated and compelling
everyone trying to claim doom was GOTY or even contender for GOTY dont even understand what makes a good FPS. fucking ps2 games were better FPS's than doom

Wolfenstein, just because it HAS a story...Doom is just mayhem, blood and djent...

>>385793951
>>385794116
I know this shit is bait and I'm still mad.

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>>385793951
The most important part of a game is it's game play.
>plot, characters, dialog, writing
All of those are shit in wolfenstein.
>Calls DOOM poorly designed
IntoTheGarbage.jpg
>last minute the unlockables, collectibles, and whatever else
Obvious bait, is obvious.
>more engaging, more orchestrated and compelling
I found it to be boring, it's an over used trope.
>dont even understand what makes a good FPS
You're the one who doesn't know.

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DOOM if you just want to rip and tear.

WOLF if you specifically want to rip and tear Nazi's.

Both are pretty fun for what they are. I wouldn't expect much aside from one play-through though.

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>>385792765
(((Who))) could be behind this post?

>>385792765
(((Anonymous)))

>>385794529
Stalin put laws in place that made anti-antisemitism illegal.

neither are good
wolfenstein TNO is slightly better being built on top of the MoH/CoD format...

>>385794248
Doom is poorly designed, the whole thing is a big mess

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>>385794661
> better being built on top of the MoH/CoD format
COD is trash, & if you like it you're literally human garbage.

>>385789084
DOOM plays much better, but Wolfenstein fits your shitty kino meme better

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>>385789084

>Le massive filesize single player games

>>385794809
CoD is what it is and I didn't say I like it, TNO is just better as it's built from a tried and true formula as opposed to Doom which is fucking all over the place inconsistent mess of a game
>>385794932
>I don't understand fundamental game design
you niggas need to go take a good hard look at the original doom and quake

>>385789084
Fucking cutscenes they totally ruined my Wolfenstein experience.

>>385795034
DOOM has a great multiplayer

>>385794990
not an argument

DOOM had me replay it 3 times. so DOOM i want to play it again.

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>>385795053
> TNO is just better as it's built from a tried and true formula
A shitty formula, & it created an even shittier game.
>fucking all over the place inconsistent mess of a game
You sure you're just not shit at the game? DOOM's great pal.
>you niggas need to go take a good hard look at the original doom and quake
Your bait is shitty Nigger.

>>385794248
>>385794170
niggers this isnt reddi t, you have to retort rather than downvoting like a cuck

>>385795078
not an argument, is not an argument.
>>385795207
Do it, also swing by multiplayer. There's plenty of new players.

>>385795231
>Pretending you're not the redditor

>>385795220
>you're just shit at le game le git gud xDD
>le bait reply
these terrible games were made just for you dumbfuck redditors who don't know any better

>>385795273
not an argument, is not an argument, is also not an argument. :^)

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>>385795369
>these terrible games were made just for you dumbfuck redditors
Yes, let the redditor you are flow out for all to see
>>385795389
not an argument, is not an argument, is also not an argument. :^) is not an argument
2:^o-[--<

>>385795568
you're the one defending this pile of shit m8

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>>385795568
>not an argument
but hey if you post an actual argument I might listen
pro tip: you cant :^)

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>>385795760
>but hey if you post an actual argument I might listen
pro tip: you cant :^)
The argument is non-existent, the concept of argument is merely an illusion.

>>385795760
>>385795905
nether of you redditors have an argument
here is how to fix this garbage game
>remove glory kills entirely
>remove contextual ledge grabbing
>remove contextual button pressing and other cutscene nonsense
>less ground friction
>more air control and give the player double jump from the get go
>rebalance enemies to each have a separate combat role
>more enemies in general + low level hitscan enemy
>better pathfinding
>rebalance weapons to each have a combat role
>makes chainsaw, bfg ammo, other powerups more scarce or at least make an attempt to hide them
>remove all upgrade nonsense
>larger less linear levels with multiple paths, secrets, monster closet traps etc
>save arenas for the boss fights
>make armour function like the original Doom It just acts like a second health bar
It will never happen as id is now Bethesda's AAA bitch
indie devs seem to be stepping up to fill the void though.

>>385796151
So you just want Doom 1994 lol go play that

>>385795905
the only thing that is an illusion is the notion that you can conceive an argument to argue against my logically superior argument. To argue otherwise is to concede the fact that nothing is real.

>>385796275
no I want games that take onboard the golden standard of fps design principles rather than trying to re-invent the wheel and failing horribly

>>385796151
This >>385796275

>>385792765
(((t.)))

>>385796408
how did Nu-DOOM fail? it's critically acclaimed, it sold well and is well liked. It's fine not to like it, but to state that it failed is fucking lunacy.

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>>385796574

Both are 6/10 games

>>385789084
Love both for different reasons. TNO as a fun and engaging game with a good story, DOOM for the rip and tear and the way they handled the plot, having doomguy be hell's boogeyman.
They're trying different things so it's not much to put it against each other. One is more narrative-driven with more varying gameplay, the other is gameplay-driven with less variety, but it doesn't need the variety when the levels just build on the gameplay, making every encounter fun.

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>>385796681
>Shilling for the kikes intensifies
The have a disproportionate amount of power, & wealth. They essentially have a monopoly over the media(CNN, MSN, BBC, Fox News, NY Times), banks including the international finance system.

>>385792917
>>385793360
>>385794529
>>385794598
>>385796574
Easiest (You)'s of my life. You guys are too easy

Completed wolfenstein twice, got bored with nu doom after half an hour.

>>385796864
get the fuck outa here you fucking normee
DOOM is literally the best game ever and TNO is SJW cuckfest propagating white-genocide. Anyone stating otherwise is a (((Rebbitor)))

Doom because it doesn't bring the gameplay to a screeching halt every 10 minutes for a SICK cutscene/stealth/unarmed section

>>385796620
>le sales numbers
>le e-celeb opinions
It's a fucking failure of game design, if you can't see this there is no hope for you at all

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>>385797359
>le bait again
that's all you fanboys have huh?

I like both a lot but I enjoyed Doom more because the combat was better and I found the platforming fun.

Still hyped for Wolfenstein II though.

>>385796952
yes, and every dissenting opinion is obviously a kike or a shill. Independent thought is an illusion.
there can't possibly be anyone who actually disagrees what you bullshit identity politics.
Maybe the kikes also control your movement to hide the foreskin farms feeding our secret reptile overlords. Sadly you can never know cos the (((jews))) control everything.

>>385797116
I forgot, this is just a bait thread. Maybe next time we can have an actual discussion.

>>385789084

i unironically believe that theyre both bad

It's for (you)'s! shitpost for (you)'s! so i'll argue with you, so i can get more (you)'s!

>>385789084
Doom is a more focused experience, however I found Wolfenstein to be more enjoyable, so:

Nazi Killing > Demon Killing

Wolfenstein:
>cutscenes and walking segments out of the ass
>movement speed is not fast enough for this kind of game
>no auto-item pickup
>bipolar level design where one moment it plays like FEAR where you get to flank nazis in tight quarters but most of the time it's CoD where you are put in an open level with little to no cover as you have to play it like a cover shooter if you want to survive the hitscan onslaught
>übersoldaten can't into hitstun and will shrug off double-shotgun fire like its nothing
>sound design and aesthetics are alright
>pacing constantly broken up with cinematic segments, vehicle segments and whatnot
>boss fights are more puzzle-like in nature than tests of the skills you've acquired throughout the game
>more forced stealth and melee segments than necessary
>overly hitscan-oriented enemy cast
>stop taking away my fucking guns

nuDoom
>sound design which prioritizes the screaming of harmless meatbags instead of enemy footsteps and incoming attacks
>intrusive upgrade system, does anyone actually enjoy these?
>strange inclusion of boring long exposition segments despite the devs saying in a documentary they didn't want that shit at all in their game
>laughably low skill ceiling as a result of the many safety nets ensuring health, ammo and crowd control
>repetitive arena design which doesn't do anything interesting or formula-breaking which changes the way you have to approach shit
>glory kills are only good for encouraging aggression at first, but become a hindrance the better you get at the game
>absolutely horrid pacing with boring stretches of minimal action between encounters under the guise of 'exploration' which are not about ripping and tearing at all
>misses the point of colored keys in the original completely
>questionable weapon balance where most early weapons end up being useless later on
>combat ends up being easy because it doesn't either try to restrict and challenge your movement or compensate for that with a higher enemy count

>>385797609
I wouldn't call them bad, just very uninspired in terms of gameplay. Wolfenstein had surprisingly interesting writing though, shame they wasted it on a simple shooter.

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>>385789175
only normies say normie you fucking normalfag

>>385793618
I bought DOOM for PS4 because I love having physical copies and that reversible cover is pretty cool.

>>385796151
>remove glory kills entirely

This exactly, or at the very least make glory kills a reward in itself for closing into melee range and not AMMO AND HEALTH ASPLOSION whenever you like.

>>385798150
You know, you could simply stop doing them.

>>385798260
>just don't use them
stupid argument, they are baked into the games combat design and balance whether you like it or not

>>385798260
They'll still AMMO AND HEALTH ASPLOSION if the game detects that you might need those sometime in the next five minutes.

>>385796151
>remove glory kills entirely
Nobody forces you to do them, you know.

>>385798535
>>385798350

>>385798535
see
>>385798350
>>385798389
then kill yourself at the earliest opportunity. Glory killing is stupid not to use but its a stupid mechanic in general, which makes it shit.

>>385789084
Doom, of course. Wolfen has a shitton of copypasta from Riddick/Darkness, only this time with a more disjointed narrative, and the combat is utter fucking shite. Also, superconcrete everywhere. Doom, however, in addition to being a legitimately great game, sports a great - and very well realized - narrative idea with all that "giving middle finger to the storytelling methods currently in fashion in AAA" and "let's just stop pretending the player doesn't know, and isn't here JUST to kill some demons" attitude. It's not a rehash, it's a legit great and innovative game, actually, the best one from post-Q1-id, and the comparison with the tired and derivative brainfart TNO is, is just meaningless, in my opinion.

Hell, Shadow Fall is zounds better than TNO (including narrative-wise, if you really hunt for all the optional documents).

>>385799115
>only this time with a more disjointed narrative
And 3x times the copypasted scripted events ("something flies right into the camera with a thud and high-pitched ringing afterward" number 115621).

>>385799115
>giving middle finger to the storytelling methods currently in fashion in AAA
are you joking? It does that very same thing.

>>385798389
Haven't played that much didn't know that happened, though I enjoy using them, they feel good and helps combat momentum in my opinion.

>>385799332
In some places, yes, sadly, it doesn't break off completely. But it does take a couple of very good jabs at it regardless. The whole first level and that filter thing, for example.

>>385792986
No I was playing on PS4 and it sounds exactly the same. The sound design in TNO is crap. Those eho say any different are willfully lying

>>385789084
I gotta give general gameplay feel to doom

Wolfenstein's guns were so close to being perfect but they needed better audio design

DOOM however has great audio design but the guns themselves were visually mostly garbage lots of space age shit that should have been modelled to look retro future, the super shotgun and heavy assault rifle were pretty ok tho

>>385799115
>Doom, however, in addition to being a legitimately great game, sports a great - and very well realized - narrative idea with all that "giving middle finger to the storytelling methods currently in fashion in AAA" and "let's just stop pretending the player doesn't know, and isn't here JUST to kill some demons" attitude
Is that why the player is forced into segments of doing absolutely nothing such as Hayden giving you an Argent Container, Olivia messing around with a touchscreen for a good minute, walking around in Hayden's office, the whole sequence right before the Cyberdemon fight in the Lazarus Labs, and the whole destruction of VEGA sequence? The only segments which fit your bill are the intro and destroying the filters for Argent production, aside from the self-aware PSA messages. DOOM takes itself way more seriously than you think, what with ridiculous amounts of lore entries nobody fucking reads, SS2 ghosts replaying past events, the fucking ending, and the unironic meandering of Hayden and VEGA all the fucking time. The devs mentioned in an interviee that they spent an 'irresponsible' amount of time on the story and could only make a few last-minute changes to the narrative, like the intro.

They said the original intro was a long tutorial sequence by Olivia who just kept talking, but they found it too long and didn't want any of that shit in their game. Yet the unskippable cutscenes are still in the game.

>>385799753
> DOOM takes itself way more seriously than you think
>and could only make a few last-minute changes to the narrative
And that is exactly why it is possible to perceive it as a legit deconstruction of current practices of building narrative in the game, and not a fanservice pandering to "old-schoolers". It was made by the insider, not the outsider. It was made by the people, who at one point were making a legit Cuwadoodie (although with a very cool design) out of this game, then rebooted it into fuck knows what, at kept thinking "B-but needs a freaking story!" until very last possible moment, until right before that very last possible moment they realized, just how goddamn absurd the whole situation really was.
And I really hope, that the second part will manage to meaningfully capitalize on those exact "last-minute changes", and to bring something seriously new to the table, without becoming fanservice-fest. Because I definitely liked where Doom was going in the moments where it shone, and it would just be said if it just squanders the potential.

>>385799115
>Doom, however, in addition to being a legitimately great game, sports a great - and very well realized - narrative idea with all that "giving middle finger to the storytelling methods currently in fashion in AAA" and "let's just stop pretending the player doesn't know, and isn't here JUST to kill some demons" attitude.

You fucking wish, boy.

>>385789084
Doom is much better. It's a systems driven game as opposed to Wolfenstein's super scripted story based interactions and contrived level design.

>>385800237
>and kept thinking "B-but it needs a freaking story!"
Also, you know, why I don't mention those moments in Doom which are ordinary? Precisely because I have seen something like those moments countless times before, I perceive it as something like meaningless noise, and I am just not interested in discussing it. And the great, for me, thing about Doom, is that some parts of it are _supposed_ to be perceived as meaningless noise, and that supposition constitutes the whole point of why those parts are even there.

>>385800237
what a nonsense post
>muh deconstruction
>muh breaking from conventions
Doom doesn't need any of this shit it's just AAA bloat
the only story you need in a doom game is that demons from hell are bad and you should shoot them with guns because that's all you can do in the game, That's it it doesn't need anything else for fucks sake, no cutscenes, no bullshit.

>>385800642
You don't understand. nuDoom is NOT a reimagining of original Doom for 2016. nuDoom is its own thing, which does its own stuff. If anything, it's about how original Doom is PERCEIVED when looking at it in 2016, not about what it factually WAS in 1993.

>>385800796
yeah and it's terrible because of that

>>385792917
le praise kek xD

>>385792765
(((You)))

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>>385789084
>tfw couldn't really enjoy either

doom was boring

linear games are ok, but jesus christ at least give some kind of alternative path. shoot monsters, open door, shoot more monsters

it's the CURRENT YEAR ffs

Doom had lots of stuff going for it. Enemy design, music, weapon design, level aesthetic, but the structure made it so I couldn't finish the game. Every level was "find the two keys and play red light/green light with lockdown zones while clearing waves of enemies". It made progression through the levels feel artificial and ultimately turned me off of the game.

I liked Wolfenstein TNO way more and give it a 9/10 easily, the problems I had with the game were very minor. I look foward to Wolfenstein II and hope they don't fuck it up. Prior to playing either of these games I had never played a Doom or Wolfenstein game before, but TNO convinced me to buy the rest of the Wolf series on Steam.

>>385801962
I wish it was open world like Skyrim. Fuck those linear games.

Doom is more fun.

The whole "you can be stealthy" shit with Wolfenstein is so half baked.

I fucking hate this board.

>>385802081

see that monster? you can shoot it

>>385803060
Yeah, videogame discussion must be horrible for you

>>385797989
congrats on being a retard

>>385789084

Having finally played Wolfenstein a couple months ago, I can confidently say Doom. Doom keeps you coming back, Wolfenstein doesn't offer that.

>>385803591
>Doom keeps you coming back
Doom doesn't have 999 mode. It's the opposite for me.

>>385792765
easy there, shatenstein

>>385793951
>as game, doom is nothing more than a series of kill room encounters
which is exactly what I wanted from a modern doom game
I just want to kill shit; I don't care about speedrunning through the levels or some convoluted story about why I should care about killing shit

>>385797551
probably not

>>385804126
This is what I ever understood about /v/ complaining about kill rooms. To complain about being forced to kill shit means you don't find the core gameplay fun, which means why are you even playing it? It's not a level design issue at all, it's just straight up you don't like what the game is about.

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