Samus Returns thread

>you can still unlock Hard Mode in the game
>autists are angry you can't unlock the "even harder" Fusion Mode without the Amiibo
http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-officially-confirms-that-metroid-samus-returns-fusion-mode-can-only-be-unlocked-with-amiibo/

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>People will defend this

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>>385762618
ACfag, Metroid Prime and Super Metroid were "movie game", and you loved those games too

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>low budget AA 3DS title
>selling around 750k to 1.4m is a problem for it

It's gonna be kino of the highest order.

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>>385762769
I enjoy those games because they embrace their gameplay and don't feel the need to dress up the experience with cinematic garbage or waifu bait.

In Samus Returns, the melee counter strips control away from the player to play out a cinematic sequence. If that's not a cinematic experience then I don't know what is.

>>385762963
>still avatarposting

dumb spongeposter

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>>385762947
it's gonna be far more fun than Zero Mission too
never forget the shitty stealth section after you beat Mother Brain
>mfw no le Zero Suit section in Samus Returns

>>385763090
>no Zero Suit section in Samus Returns

How do you know?

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>>385763069
Not seeing an argument.

>>385762217
Holy shit this looks worse than the gb original

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>>385762963
>I enjoy those games because they embrace their gameplay
they "embraced" their gameplay as much Breath of the Wild "did"
https://youtu.be/OmCiYwZaW6Q
look ACfag, 40 minutes
pretty long for a game aint it?

>>385762217
no, SotN is bad because its controls suck

Fuck off. Several anons already addressed why this remake looks like garbage in the 100 other shill threads you repost on a daily fucking basis. It's time to move on.

>>385762906
>AA
What the fuck is this shit? You seriously think a AAA game is called a AAA game because there's some kind of rating system involving As?

>>385763143
>Zero Suit section in a inhabitable planet with no oxygen

how do YOU know?

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>>385763283
>SotN is bad
i want Sorrowcucks to LEAVE

>>385763280
Good thing I skip them everytime and mod Super Metroid to get rid of the cancerous introductory exposition.

>>385763296
Welcome to the internet.

>>385763296
This.
True fans want the series dead.

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>>385763296
>Several
>says the 2 people that downloaded fanpatches of Metroid 2: Zero Mission

>>385763283
sotn has a lot of issues but the controls are fine
are you upset because you can't use spells reliably?

>>385763598
>True fans
>likes both Metroid and Fire Emblem
>wish it was dead for retarded reasons

>>385763283
All metroidvania games use teleporters. What's your argument?

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>>385763759
>Wanting to see the series go the direction of a cinematic experience

>>385763090
When I found out the Zero Suit amiibo didn't put you in the Zero Suit, I was so happy.

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>>385763782
Prime 2 is even longer. All about gameplay my ass.

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>>385763864
>>Wanting to see the series go the direction of a cinematic experience as Tellius and GBA Metroid games were
hmmm

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>>385763782
Show me where there are teleporters please.

Cody was right... Metroid was never dead.

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>>385764065
I don't like Fusion for that very purpose, Zero Mission is fine. Stuff like melee counters that only act to take agency away from the player are the epitome of style over substance and have no business in a Metroid game.

When Nintendo release the games as infrequently as they do I should be able to rely on getting a good product so when they release this over casualized trite of course I'm not going to get it.

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>remove all the cutscenes/transits from Super Metroid
>suddenly it's not as cinematic as bayonetta 2
hmmm

>>385763467

The game actually auto-saves after the introductory exposition (and when the space station explodes). You can reset when you first gain control of Samus, and then copy that file so you can avoid the exposition whenever you want to play a new game.

More proof that SM is a God Game.

>>385764101
Prime 2

>>385762963
I love that you didn't even deny you're acfag

>>385764101
All those big long thin tubes are teleports.

You know it be true.

>>385764708
The tubes are organically integrated into the design of the world, it makes sense from in an in game perspective as to why they would be there. Teleporters in Samus Returns are there only to incentivize developer laziness by avoiding putting in secrets and shortcuts for the player to unlock as they progress to make backtracking more interesting and tedious. They also have no reason to be on the surface of SR388.

It's the equivalent of open world garbage designing everything around quest markers opposed to designing the game with the actual world in mine.

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Primekino 2 had the best shit ever too
made backtracking less of a hell at the end and finding the keys more fun than in Prime 1

Just play AM2R and be done with it.

>>385762217
Nah, this game looks great.

Its just autists being autistic about amiibos.

>>385762421
I know right? Fuck them for wanting 100% of the game AND fuck them for not wanting limited, physical DLC. I can't people like that exists. In Nintendo we trust am I right, Nintenbros?

AM2R had teleports too, though they only appeared at the end of the game. I guess the Metroid 2 map is too segmented.

>>385765289
oh boo hoo, why didn't they give me Fusion Mode in Prime 1 after i linked muh Fusion
entitled shit

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>>385763161
...is that the space jump??? It looks like complete ass, where's the effect?

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>>385765282
>Game looks great
Hmm...

>>385765424
Space Jump
looks ass just like in the original ;)

>>385765418
>im entitled for wanting to BUY the DlC instead of the limited amiibos

>>385762217
The only issues I have with this game so far are the scan ability (which trivializes exploration/secrets) and the amiibos. But amiibos are always a fucking problem, they plague every modern Nintendo game.

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To all 3DS owners awaiting Samus Returns: Why have you not played Mirror of Fate yet? It even has a free demo. Are you scared of learning what kind of a developer Mercury Engine is?

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>>385765694
>scan ability (which trivializes exploration/secrets)

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>>385765669
>buying DLC at all
>supporting a cancerous practice because you can't stop it

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>>385765418
It was shit then and it's shit now

I also bitch about twilight princess hd locking hard behind the Ganondorf amiibo too

I bitch about many things that deserve bitching at, my bitching is not exclusive to only one game series or company, just the other day I was bitching about white knight chronicles locking game content behind unobtainable modes too though that was different money-driven shit design

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>>385765768
buying SR and pirating Amiibo DLC here
is it up on freeShop?

>>385765781
>late-game upgrade that requires you to laboriously scan every inch of every single room
vs
>early-game upgrade where you press a button and everything around you is immediately revealed

Stop being retarded.

>>385765768
*Mercury Stream
When you launch Mirror of Fate they show both the name of the dev and the name of the engine at the same time. Pretty dumb.

>>385765919
Yes, Demos tend to be on the eShop...

>>385765870
>I also bitch about twilight princess hd locking hard behind the Ganondorf amiibo too
why whine about that?
3D Zelda games were never really that hard

>>385765768
i have it's painfully mediocre, everyone knows this, and the game is still getting all these positive reception besides the amiibo shot. are you scared of learning that fans of something you don't like will be getting a good game?

>>385762963
what the fuck? metroid prime had plenty of "cinematic experiences". like using morph ball on flaahgra removing control of your character while the bosses damage animation plays out. except instead of samus sitting still while it happens, shes actually the one doing the damage.

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>you now live in an age where GAME MODES can be sold out

>>385765986
>Moving the goalposts

>early-game upgrade where you press a button and everything around you is immediately revealed
Do you have any evidence at all that this is the case?

>>385766147
reminder that ACfag calls MP3 "Other M: Beta Test" for cinematic reasons while enjoying the 2 hour long (in-total) cutscenes of Prime 2

>>385766220
Nigger I was talking SPECIFICALLY about Samus Returns' scan ability, it's not my fault that you're retarded.

The evidence is the footage that was being posted everywhere like Gamespot, etc. Which I assume you must have watched since you're this much of a drone.

>>385766150
has there ever been amiibo scarcity after the smash batch?

even that guy who bought all those rosalinas couldn't turn them all. besides, there's ar cards and shit

>>385762963
The boss fights in prime might as well be "cinematic experiences" with how fucking easy they are lmao

>>385766068
You should word your sentences a big more carefully. When you say "I have. it's painfully mediocre, everyone knows this, and the game is still getting all this positive reception..." it sounds like you're still talking about Mirror of Fate when you speak of 'the game getting positive reception.'

>>385765424
what effect?

>>385762217
>people want artificial time
STOP
if you want to make the route change and make it harder after a flag maybe , if not is just artificial time wasted.
PS Speedrunner

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>>385766359
Are you actually implying that Fusion and Corruption didn't lead to Other M? Increased focus on cinematics rather than gameplay can be directly attributed to Other M which is the culmination of those two games.

I have no idea how to feel about Samus Returns.

>>385766534
Space Jump always had a warping effect on the sprite due to the speed of the spin.

>>385766572
>artificial time
is this the new "artificial difficulty" meme?

>>385766621
Prime 1 had seeker missles and Other M had it too
guess what actually lead Other M?
>"what the FUCK? i hate Prime now"

>>385766414
>about Samus Returns' scan ability
Provide a webm of it revealing everything around with a button press please.

>>385766414
No him, but don't you think that the difference between the scan visor and scan pulse is negligible. I wouldn't say that the scan visor holds any difficulty, strategy, or fun for that matter over the scan pulse. With the visor you just have to wait a little bit as you scan in a circular motion while the pulse just speeds up the progress by scan the whole room at once. I can't speak to the timing of players' access to the pulse in the game, however.

>>385766621
Nice TF2 reaction meme there bud.
It's really dank, I like it alot.

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hello
i'm the very game that was the sole reciple to what led Other M come to be
say something nice to him

>>385766770
>>385766869
Funny how I'm not seeing any arguments here.

Oh wait, Fusion mode is separate from hard mode?

>>385766886
what the fuck are you even trying to say

>>385766908
not an argument

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>>385766980

>>385767079
Yes, I know about that. You still stated it in the most impossible-to-understand way.

>>385762421
I don't even own a Switch or play Metroid, but thats still fucking retarded. You shouldn't have to buy a toy to unlock the rest of a game you already paid for.

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>beat Prime 2
>jump onto youtube
>rewatch some comfy hour long moment cutscenes in bed
>suddenly wanna try out Expert Mode in Prime 2 in the morning
wow, ACfag told me cinematic elements at it's minimum were still bad in games :(

>>385766783
jesus are you being retarded on purpose? watch this fucking video

https://youtu.be/HK-CQYdkKoM?t=8m12s

>>385766814
>No him, but don't you think that the difference between the scan visor and scan pulse is negligible.

Absolutely not. The visor scans a few blocks of one room. You have to scan the whole thing yourself. And like I said, you get it later in the game (assuming you're playing it "normally"). The scan pulse reveals a huge square of the map, all the rooms in it, not just one room. Huge difference.

>>385763343
>he doedn't know of the 'A' ranking system
Anon...

>>385767265
so what, it's just Hard Mode with longer "cinematic" (lol) boss fights and a cosmetic
why do you need it so badly?

>>385767457
ma'am, i'm gonna to ask you to hands off of that GF trooper's dick
that's an order too

>>385762217
AM2R is better

If I was a game dev I'd change up the recipe too. Fuck you children.

>>385763343
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
blame the 1990s

>>385767457
huh, well i'm still not expecting much but i will probably give the game a shot now. I was under the impression that fusion mode was the only hard mode.

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>>385767706
have you ever made a game?

>>385767420
It has limited use where as the X-ray scope can be used indefinitely, not seeing the problem.

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>>385767760
>>385763343
>>385767539
>it's an EA-coined term
fuck that shit

>>385767551
I don't need it. Again, I don't ever plan on having the game.

That "so what" philosophy aka being a total pushover to huge AAA companies over the years is part of the reason why games are filled with micro-transactions and DLC/season passes now.

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Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are NOT cinematics!
fuck you

>>385767903
>limited use

Barely, it refills after you kill enemies. Seriously though, do you actually think about the things you're saying or is your sole goal to defend the game at any cost, regardless of what nonsensical arguments you might have to throw out? I'm still gonna buy it because I want to support the series but that doesn't mean I think it's immune from criticism. Think for yourself for once.

>>385768034
>I don't need it.
good, so fuck off and stop whining about shitty extras

>>385768045
Super Metroid's final boss was pretty cinematic if we're being honest.

>>385768223
and the first ridley fight
and the draygon "shock urself to kill" fight

>>385768141
>reads a few words and replies with something stupid
You should really not skip your ADHD meds. Its making you look pretty dumb.

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>>385768440

>>385766417
While it's still technically Smash, some of the recent (i.e. this month) Smash ones are a bitch to come by. On the bright side anyone who wants a female Corrin amiibo deserves to go pay the retard tax anyway.

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>>385768540

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>>385768692

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>>385763864
the old games still exist you fucking child

>>385768813
Most people watched it on YouTube because they just want fapbait to a submissive waifu who runs around in her underwear, anyone who says that the majority disliked Other M is a revisionist at their finest.

Metroid threads are a prime example seeing as they are usually endless porn dumps of Samus.

>>385769089
>equating Smash autists as "part" of the Metroid consumer base

>>385768479
holy shit that justin bailey super metroid
best ass in vidya?

>>385769225
Refer to >>385769668
Perfect example.

>>385769089
>anyone who says that the majority disliked Other M is a revisionist at their finest.
Poor bait.

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>>385769759
>>385769668
what a horrible night to have autism

>>385769810
Refer to >>385768692 and >>385768440

>>385767760
Yes, I'm perfectly aware that AAA is a very common term. What I'm saying is that there's no such thing as AA or A. It's not a fucking scale. It's either AAA or it's not AAA.

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>>385769884
sorry to burst your bubble man...
it does look like the best ass though

>>385766674
That was screw attack, not space jump.

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>>385770171
because you totally don't have 4chanX too, right ;)

>>385770627
I don't know what you're trying to say, but no I don't use 4chan X. Haven't tried it in years and last time I did it changed too many things to my liking so I don't use it, especially since vanilla has everything I need already. 4chan X might have been very useful like a decade ago but it's trivial now.

>>385768479
>those edgy rom hack colors
at least it's not a nude samus, lol

>>385765418
The Fusion Suit was only a skin in Prime 1, and didn't change any aspects of gameplay.

>>385770478
Screw attack applies an electrical-type visual effect, not a warping effect.

>>385771687
Those exist, lol

>>385772060
--the joke-->
[you're are head]

>>385772003
>>385770478
It was both in Super.
Space Jump had the warping effect
Screw Attack had the warping effect and electrical effect, even if you had Space Jump turned off.

>>385766886
You having a stroke there buddy?

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>>385772126

>>385762421
>>you can still unlock Hard Mode in the game

What is the source of this

Also even if that were true, hard mode would only be hard mode in name only. Hard mode is about making the game as difficult as possible without being "too hard" by the developer's subjective criteria. It's retarded to think that the game's in-box hard mode would fit this definition and that fusion mode would be going beyond into "too hard" territory. Instead fusion mode is going to be "just right" and the in-box hard mode is downgraded from that in difficulty. Without the piece of plastic you're only getting the *almost* hard mode.

>>385772126
>you're head

stay retarded

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>>385772595
>hard mode would only be hard mode in name only.
yeah, just like how the Prime Trilogy did it for it's "Normal" mode

>>385765424

What effect? It looks like that in the original as far as I can remember, you just get the screw attack first, which gives it the weird effect.

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>>385762963
Super Ludotroid and Primekino are movie games too ACfag

>>385765768
Nintendo's involved enough with development to quell most concerns. Konami just don't give a fuck about their IPs and oursource them with no input. Not comparable.

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>>385773191
The games let me skip the cutscenes and are entirely focused on gameplay with zero NPC interaction.

Unlike in Samus Returns that is the epitome of a cinematic experience in the same vein as Bayonetta and Uncharted.

>>385762618
It's blatantly dropping morph ball bombs so it's probably one of the first metroids in the game.

>>385768949
>Accept death, already. I want my shekels.
No. Fuck you. I want new, good ones.

>>385762618
>there are people who don't think that's fucking metal

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>>385772884
The only Chozo statue that's mandatory in ZM is the first one, you being bad at the game is a literal non argument.

>>385774561
>fucking metal
It might be "realz coolz" if you're a fagnozzle, but if you understand anything about game design, you know it's taking part in some sinful shit.

>>385774590
The game is designed around them. It is yours that is the non-argument. Its like saying you don't HAVE to follow quest markers in Skyrim. Its stupid, disingenuous niggershit.

>>385765541
The counter looks fine. You have to time it correctly and after it completes you still have to shoot what it points the arm cannon at.

People are acting like it's a bullet time prompt that automatically fires the power beam when that's clearly not the case. At least, not the case outside of boss fights.

>>385774942
>The game is designed around them.
Not when they're all optional except one, quest markers are not optional without a mod in Skyrim.

>>385775006
no, its like parrying from Revengence, compared to the tradeitional system of avoiding damage by increasing distance. It encorages you to play in a way that is antithetical to the main theme of metroid, which is the danger of the unknown. You stay away from weird looking alien shit, and avoid overanalyzing the magic out of the environment, because the game sets a precedent through combat that the world is dangerous, and your best bet is always to keep a safe distance. You wouldn't care though, because you're a shill, and this is a shill thread.

Can we just stop having shill thread for this already? Forcing people to think about this watered down garbage is going to ruin the fanbase, because nobody is even going to want to REMEMBER Metroid before long, now. Nintendo is creatively dead.

>>385775224
Even if you blocked the compass on your display with tape, it would not save the system, because it is DESIGNED THAT WAY, you dumb fucking nigger ape shit-for-brains.

The quest system no longer has even the vestiages required to point someone in the direction of where their going. Its not uncommon in skyrim for you to be told to go somewhere you've never seen before, and nobody is going to know and tell you where to look. The game is around quest markers, and does not function without them. The game is designed around chozo statues, and does not function without them. Get over it.

>>385773789
>The games let me skip the cutscenes
you can't skip anything in Super Metroud and skip once you meet the boss in Prime

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>>385775796
If it doesn't function without them then why have I always beaten the game without using all of them but one?

>>385775438
>You wouldn't care though, because you're a shill, and this is a shill thread.
Oh, shut the fuck up. /v/ doesn't have to conform to your tastes and you aren't being forced to read this thread. Remove yourself and hide the thread.

>>385768583

>TFW Canuck so pre-orders were available.
>Amazon delayed it to hell so it's not coming until Thursday.

>>385762217
>>385762217
OHHH MY FUCKING GOOOD

THIS IS LITERALLY, LITERALLY THE SAME FUCKING THREAD FROM AN HOUR AGO.

Don't you guys see that you're making the exact same posts? Don't you get tired of arguing at a wall? Have some self awareness.

>>385776012
The same way I complete mount moon without flash.

>>385776098
Making strawmen is a castigation trick. You don't have tastes, you have a game to defend from scrutiny.

>>385776164
>Sit down, be quiet, and let me shill.

>game with downright boring gunplay
>enemies all go down in a few shots
>game adds a timing element so you're not just mashing the shoot button and spamming jump until the room is empty
>BAWWW
Enough memery.
No Metroid game they could ever make was going to top Echoes anyway.

>>385776479
>I don't understand the original appeal of metroid. Metroid should appeal to me. Why don't your stupid games appeal to me? Make the game the way I want it.

Go be a baby somewhere else. You can namedrop echoes all day, but pretending the point of echoes, a stick shooter, is "gunplay" is pathetic.

>people thought metroid threads were saved
This is probably just karma something in your previous lives.

>>385775796
I don't understand, after the first one, can't you play through the whole game without having a Chozo Statue mark on your map just by exploring normally?

>>385777046
Yes, ignore him he shitposts in every thread.

>>385762217
That mechanic looks slow as fuck.
Stop treating me like a kid, Nintendo.

>>385766016
>3D Zelda games were never really that hard

Which would actually make the hard mode a more essential feature and hiding it in a limited edition physical toy is an even worse offense.

>>385766674
>I have no idea how to feel about Samus Returns.
Curiosity? Doesn't matter if positive or negative, you just want to see how it will turn out

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>>385762217
I find strange when certain anti-shills go on about casualization when the original Metroid 2 was easy as hell and didn't even have a hard mode. Samus Returns will most certainly be harder than the original if nothing else because it's not limited by the game boys hardware.

>>385777046
what if I want to become immersed, and don't want to participate in bullshit artificial handicaps just to make the game fun? If you avoid statues, you're wasting time, even if you're technically experiencing the game how it ought to be.

The game is designed around Chozo statues, and they're not being hand woven away. Get over it. You can't have a game designed around internally motivated exploration and fear, and add big ass directions on where to go, or a parry. You might as well stick an R&B dance number in Schindler's List between acts of horror.

They put it in because nintendo just don't fucking care anymore. After the transformation the wii put them through, I wouldn't care either.

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>>385766534
>>385772931
>>385770478
The space jump has looked like this since Metroid 2.

Also: "So this is the power of neo-/v/"

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>>385777129
>He's samefag because I say he is.

>>385777667
>what if I want to become immersed, and don't want to participate in bullshit artificial handicaps just to make the game fun?

Why not? I do that in video games all the time, and if you don't you're missing out. Ever heard of a Nuzlocke run?

>>385777667
But don't you have to find the statues to begin with? What if you don't run into them?

>>385777794
>defending antishills

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>>385777926
Isn't an anti-shill a good thing?

>>385764275
so melee acts as a parry, and automatically aims at the target after?

i really wish they wouldn't add a gimmick like this in whats supposed to be a remake.

>>385777807
Because that's not being immersed, retard. Being immersed means you do what feels natural, and in character. It is not in character to avoid chozos because they make the game too easy. You fail.

>>385778348
Not for him, or his boss. To them, people actually discussing game design, instead of mindlessly hyping dogshit pigslop is problematic.

>>385778459
You keep using the word "avoid" like the player already knows where all the Chozo Statues are.

>>385778440
dont use it

>>385765768
the cutscenes look really good in 3d but theyre not animated, i dont know why they didnt make the whole game look like them
the gameplay is exactly like lords of shadow in a 2d space which isnt great but neither was lords of shadows gameplay

>>385776324
stop replying

>>385762217
It's lazy.
Could have used pipes connected to the different places that Samus can morph-ball between.

>>385762421
Where is the evidence that Fusion mode is harder than Hard mode?

>>385770056
You are so fucking retarded.

Is there a more entitled fanbase? Megaman and F-Zero haven't had a game in years, do you want Metroid to be forgotten too? I mean it's ok to be cautious about the gameplay, or MercurySteam's track record, but the way the Metroid fanbase acts as if its the worst shit in the world makes me think that people would rather the series be dead.

>>385778348
Not when they're giant autists who've convinced themselves that anyone who likes something they hate are secret shills because the world revolves around them. Re: >>385776324 and Barneyfag.

>>385779660
>do you want Metroid to be forgotten too?
As a huge Metroid fan, yes. The state they're taking the series in is not a good one.

>>385778826
Asking players to avoid first order optimality is bad design. Nuzlocke forces you to look at the pokemon as a detached game of numbers, as there is no sense to any part of its requirements. You aren't thinking about how much you like the style of old gen pokes, you catch and use what you can get within the imposed restrictions. It is antithetical to immersion, and exploration, and generally suggested among people who've been playing pokemon since before the new millennium, well into the cycle, when players are experiencing burnout, people who can, and are going to be interested in appreciating the game on a level outside the immersive, or on flow, which is what Nuzlocke is about, understanding pokemon as math, as execution, as flow.

You] don't know what you're talking about. Read on game design.

>>385778914
Make me.

>>385778826
that was the idea, but unfortunately the game is going to focus on it as a mechanic

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>>385779710
I don't understand. Does the existence of a new game somehow invalidates the older and/or better ones? You can always play the older games.

>>385779660
>do you want Metroid to be forgotten
I don't see a Citizen Kane 2 anywhere, do you? Does that people people will forget about it?

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>>385779978
Am I not allowed a good new game? When I see Nintendo's newest Metroid offering going the way of a cinematic experience of course I'm going to be disappointed.

>>385779660
>Metroid to be forgotten too?
Yes. If the value of Metroid plummets, it will take someone with an artistic motivation instead of monetary interest to revive it. As you fucking faggots are fond of saying, "the old games will always be there".

>>385780030
Forgotten by the devs I mean.
>>385780051
>cinematic experience
No need to exaggerate, its just a way to reward your parries, which I don't see people complaining in Dark Souls or other games.

>>385779669
Who do you think you're fooling? You just using the shill talk to avoid talking about how everything else I had to say was true, and thoroughly raped your argument.

>Its not uncommon in skyrim for you to be told to go somewhere you've never seen before, and nobody is going to know and tell you where to look.

There have been entire series of videos dedicated to this fact, but no, please, go ahead. Ignore what I have to say there for the inconsequential fact that I think you're a shill. Do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain!

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>>385762421
Congrats, ruined the thread in record time.

>>385780070
Name one(1) game where such revival has happened

>>385780253
You push a button and the game then takes control away from the player, this is rather unprecedented in the good Metroid games and is an egregious example of style over substance by shoving cool and flashy cinematics at the player rather than gameplay and player agency.

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>>385780461
Ironically enough it was an unofficial, unmonetized revival.

>>385780461
Red Dead Redemption.

>>385780468
The melee button doesn't automatically triggers the "cinematic scene", you just parry, in a specific timing. You then have to shoot to actually trigger it.

>>385780507
I'm so mad I didn't think of that now.

>>385762618
Epic, epic ftw!
Samus is so BAD-ASS!
>>385764275
Why would you parry an enemy when you can shoot it, charge blast it, bomb it, missile it and keep the momentum going?
This is nothing but a gimmick that slows the game down.

At least Ass 2 Mouth Remake's tubes were memetastic.

>>385780507
Fair enough, but I can't see actual game companies reviving old IPs with artistic motivation.
>>385780718
What's the story behind this? I though it was just a Rockstar game.

>>385780818
>This is nothing but a gimmick that slows the game down.
Ding ding ding. There's no executing during a cutscene, you just watch. Its downtime by design, which is why some genres get the excuse, and others don't. It's not uncommon for you to actually need a finger break in an action game like DMC. Metroid, not so much.

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>>385764101
>super metroid
>metroidvania

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>>385781014

>>385781014
It is, but the people developing it really wanted to work on that specific property, which is why it came out so damn well. It's actually why undead nightmare exists, they didn't want to stop.

>>385762618
The worst parts are how loose the timing on the counter seems to be, and how the bosses all have the obligatory "charge up an attack so the player can counter it" move.

>>385762217
god I miss 2D games

>>385767551
People like you are why companies get away with kind of shit.

>>385781167
On top of that look what the metroid immediately does afterwards. Slowly fly above Samus left and right while sprinkling down some slow, destroyed in one hit, projectiles. Its ridiculous how much of a joke it is.

>>385781014
Josh Needleman is designer turned Producer of whom red dead is the lovechild. one internet if you can guess his favorite movie.

>>385779250
Its on cartridge content locked behind toys notorious for their limited production and scarcity, who gives a shit it is the fact it even exists in that manner it the problem.

>>385779660
>Is there a more entitled fanbase?
The Halo fanbase is up there. At least I care that Metroid 5 is finally coming next and FPS Halo is finally sticking with the Master Chief.

Why is Samus' animation so femenine?

>>385781302
that by itself really isn't the issue. You can design an early metroid boss this way. The problem is that the parry system defeats the risk in proximity. It's a bit like assassins creed if you think about it. If the boss is coming this close, it should be to scare the player, not to give them free hits. Its destroying one of the keystones of Metroid theming.

One thing really worries me about this, and it's the defense force once the game comes out.

>by the game and beat it, find it too easy
>"you need to beat hard mode"
>beat that too, no trouble
>"you need to spend 20 dollars on the proper amiibo to unlock fusion mode, and no you have to buy it legitimately, for some reason hacking NFC tags isn't allowed because muh authenticity"
>do that and beat fusion mode
>"well why did you do all of that if you don't like the game?"

It's the exact same crap as Breath of the Wild's defense force, and how you get shouted out if you didn't spend 20 bucks extra on the season pass.

>>385781482
oh you're preaching to the choir m8. The counter is the biggest sin.

>>385781529
No one is going to defend Nutroid anon.
>MercurySteam
>Melee counters
>Teleporters
>Polygonal graphics over sprites
>Push a button to reveal everything

>>385780818
>assuming he wasn't just standing still to make sure he showed off the parry for the video
You don't have to sit there and wait to parry it could be something you do to increase your damage output instead of borringly jumping over the projectile. The parry would probably do quite a bit of damage as well, also wasting time to dodge is worse than parrying quicktime, it would be a waste of time if you used the parry on normal enemies though, thats when the gimmick becomes horrible. it seems to be on bosses and for specific attacks while there seems to be quite a lot of the boss battle that doesn't have that and has what you're wanting, the quick dodging. Both jumping and parrying is a reflex test, parrying being the harder option you could opt out of.

>Epic, epic ftw! Samus is so BAD-ASS!
You've jumped onto a bandwagon, you are following the meme. You know this. You have to know this right? How are you not aware you're being a fucking meme spouting faggot? So fucking embarrassing man.

>>385762217
>>385762618
>>385763161
>>385764275
>can teleport from save point to save point
>press X to awesome
>can parry while climbing
>tutorials in a fucking Metroid game
I'm going to kill myself

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>>385781909
All three Prime games had tutorials.

>>385781983
Prime 1 having tutorials is excusable because it was the first transition to 3D
2 and 3 having tutorials is indeed bullshit
Returns is the highest calibre of bullshit since sidescrolling has been around since 86

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>>385781983
>this game has a crippling bug that prevents you from beating it
>fix it? Haha no that's part of the nostalgia, let's do it for every game

>>385782161
Modern children have never touched a 2D game before.

>>385772648
Go h*ck yourself f*ggot

>>385783061
2D Mario is one of the best selling series out there it's why they pump so many out.

>>385783175
>>>/tumblr/

>>385781909

Fuck off nigger it looks sweet

>>385783248
The only 2D Mario games since New Super Mario Bros U in 2012 were Mario Maker and Super Mario Run. In the same time frame there's been 3D World and a dozen 3D spin-offs between Party, Kart, sports games, and the RPGs.

>>385781879
>You've jumped onto a bandwagon, you are following the meme
I'm using a meme not following it, learn the difference.
It's very disappointing that Nintendo still wants to hang on to aspects of Other M, the least liked Metroid of them all. Samus doesn't need any of those type of moves, it was never that kind of series, the moves she should be making are the ones that are at your disposal, not special kill cam for lack of a better word, type of maneuvers that only exist within those events.
Besides having someone shoot a gun at point blank range, just to try look cool is one of the stupidest looking moves even conceived, shows how the people making the game think.

This is already better than am2r for not using recycled sprites and backgrounds from previous metroid games and not adding anything note worthy to the fan mad remake.

>>385783808
But Samus Returns literally reuses Other M assets..........

>>385780290
I'm not even the guy you're quoting, dumbass. I'm
>>385775006
>>385776098
>>385779669
This whole shill accusation has been you assuming I'm someone else, hasn't it?

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>all these autistic fucks complaining about optional mechanics like teleporting and melee counters

Hey cuckbois you know you can still play Samus returns without using the melee and teleportation right? Jesus half of you keep crying like it's the end of the fucking franchise just because they add optional gameplay shit. I'll give it to you for being autistic about the amiibo locked content but that's it. If you gonna still cry about Samus returns go back to playing am2r since you're too fucking dense to appreciate a new traditional Metroid game after all these year holy fuck

Been playing some Hollow Knight lately. So I realize that the game is built around melee attacks and combat, with an equal amount of exploration and platforming. And you know what I realize? What makes the game so thrilling is that enemies that get close to you really get your heart pounding because you don't have a mechanic to stun them or push them back. You have to attack and kill them, or make a beeline in the opposite direction, especially when you have limited health and you have to stand still during an encounter to heal. The game would feel too easy if every attack instantly stopped every single enemy in the game. At most it pushes them a little, but they continue to aggress you until you kill them. I think that's why I dislike this parry mechanic. I want to feel like I just barely scraped by in a dangerous encounter. I don't want to feel like I watched a fancy cinematic where the character effortlessly kills them.

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>>385784196
>It's a good game if you set up arbitrary limitations

>>385784196
>YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT
I think the melee counter is the coolest shit to ever be added to this series but you still need to kill yourself. Not using things you don't like won't make them go away. Fucking retard.

>>385784196
>it's optional
Just like the fast travel in skyrim. If you don't use it, the game doesn't become better. It's still boring. I don't like them because they're smoke and mirrors designed to hide flaws in the game. The teleport system I'll at least give a pass to if it isn't just an excuse to bypass the entire overworld because it's too "videogamey" to actually backtrack and explore (something Sakamoto said he hated about the series when working on Other M).

>>385781731
I wouldn't mind a counter if it required precise timing and the penalty was taking double damage as a result.

>>385784196
fuck off m8. Its balanced around the melee counter.

>>385762217
It's like none of you learned from your nuDoom miscalculation.

Either that or this is an entire thread of memespewing contrarian cockslurpers trying to out-hipster each other in a vain attempt to convince others they're not going to buy/play a game they'll obviously buy/play.

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>>385784267
Where the fuck did I imply its gonna be a good game fuckboi? If the game releases and it's fucking shit I'll go back to playing am2r. Adding optional moves shouldn't affect how the game will turn out you twat

>>385784442
I don't think the idea fits 2D metroid at all. Making Physical contact with enemies is supposed to be the biggest fear.

>>385784551
Make the enemies more aggressive so you either have to keep on keeping distance or risk the counter to buy some time.

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>>385784546
>Adding optional moves shouldn't affect how the game will turn out
So if they were to add a button that you press and every enemy dies on the screen that wouldn't effect the game?

>>385784513
But nudoom benefits from glory kills because the basis of doom was ripping and tearing.

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>>385784658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6BbvCC0VI0

can we play as ZSS?

>>385784325
Was about to mention the Elder Scrolls too, you can choose not to use the fast travel system and quest markers but it was clearly designed with it in mind and the layout of the land changed to accommodate it, same with quest markers, the information the player is given and journal have been stripped and doesn't work properly without it.
I very much doubt that a game that is featuring game mechanics is not going to design and alter the game around said mechanics.
>>385784196
With the warp now in place you'll probably get a lot of empty useless space around the map that would have never been allowed before because it would have been a bad use of space but now can be excused because you are supposed to just warp past it, with the counter you'll get enemies that can only be defeated using it or a pain if you don't.

>>385784626
>So if they were to add a button that you press and every enemy dies on the screen that wouldn't effect the game?

Hey cunt did they add that to this game? I don't think so why are using an outrageous scenario where it doesn't apply to this game its like you want it to happen that badly. Please choke and die on any more fallicies you wanna throw at me cuck.

>>385784626
>what is a power bomb

>>385784612
I wanna say this could be worth experimenting with only if the larva metroids at the end of the game are super super numerous and agressive while being completely immune to the counter. Throwing players for a ride after they've gotten used to countering so many metroids.

>>385784658
Yeah, and can you imagine how this melee counter could be integrated into Metroid Prime 4?
RIP AND TEAR

>>385762217
>>385762618
Good thing we have AM2R

>>385784804
No, and thank fucking god.

>>385784963
A late game power up that is on a limited source.

>>385784804
No but you can play as Fusion Suit Samus.
Amiibo only.

>>385785080
Don't move the goalposts, please.

>>385785058
first of all fuck you
>>385785108
so I have to buy a new 2ds xl just for a fucking mode?

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>>385785135
>Answers the question
>Muh goalposts

>>385785203
You could buy that amiibo reader thing they sell, it would be cheaper.

>>385785350
I'll just wait for the .cia rip that contains the fusion stuff. Will still buy the game though but thats schemey as shit

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>>385781371
The power of Sakamoto. Her hips sway and swing way more when she walks and her body type is lankier.

>>385784963
An item that needs to be heavily restricted because of how damn powerful it is.

Even if they removed the counter and amiibo shit, Metroidfags will still be complaining about it.

>>385785985
The game could eclipse Super in every way and they would still complain. The Metroid fanbase makes the Souls and DMC community seem mild.

>>385762217
this looks terrible.People will defend the shit out of it because this fanbase is so content starved

>>385785985
well the counter shit specifically certainly isn't helping

>>385785203
Fuck you for wanting that shit in there, I'm glad Sakamoto finally did away with that garbage gameplay.

>>385781371
Why do you care? The game plays like a 2D Metroid and that's all that really matters.

>>385785985
After Other M, I reserve the right to complain. Maybe you shouldn't peddle snake oil next time, eh Sakamoto?

>>385784196
>hey man you don't have to heal in dark souls just don't get hit!
>hey man if you don't like the new story for game X just skip all the cutscenes!
>hey man if don't like guns in your games just play call of duty knife only!
>hey man you DON'T HAVE to save in prey if it can make your game crash, just leave it on all the time!
>hey man you don't have to fast travel in skyrim just walk 40 minutes to the other side of the map!

>Hey man I know the new game added a leveling system but you don't have to do it! Just don't kill the enemies and you won't get any xp!

>>385772060
Bullshit, there's only one that makes her death animation nude.

>>385785985
They're like the Halo fans, some on /v/ like the series still others will bitch just because the original creators are either dead or too shitty because they let a third party publisher rape them in the ass. Even if the game is incredible they would never like it because Sakamoto and 343 (no that they don't deserve the hate) but still when they actually do something good, that's when it's time to sit down and shut up.

>>385786369
Not an argument

>>385786485
*not

>>385786480
There's one that makes the under 3 hours ending nude as well.

>>385785246
The point was that what you described has existed since the '90s.

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>>385786485
Sakamoto has done plenty of good.

>>385784626
of course not dude! just choose not to use it haha!

>>385786702
And if it wasn't heavily controlled and limited, it was guaranteed to break the game. It's why most games have it as a late game unlock, like the screw attack.

Seems like the reception to this game is pretty mixed now. What happened, did more footage reveal it as being casualized/Sakamoto-ized?

>>385786203
Christ I remember btfoing you in like 2014 you fucking sperg. There is literally no reason that the zero suit, as an option, subtracts from gameplay.

>>385786964
Is it offering some good gameplay potential? no? Then it's wasted space. It ruined Zero mission with that retarded pseudo Metal gear garbage, it shouldn't ruin this.

>>385787024
>It ruined Zero Mission
>small part of the very end of the game
>>ruined
if that ruined it for you then the entire game must be shit

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>>385787024
>An incredibly short sequence at the end ruined the game

>>385786501
alright then can you explain to me on a purely objective level why someone would not use these features? don't say "because they might not like how they look" or "it will ruin their immersion" or some other stupid excuse.

Give me a purely game-play based perspective on why a player would not use a new feature to a game if it grants them a clear advantage.

>>385787123
Because they want the game to be harder.

as someone relatively optimistic about this game i still can't get over how the game looks

i know they only hired mercurysteam because of ther lords of shadows engine but you'd think that if they could spend money on sprite artists to shit up superstar saga for the 3ds, they might as well get someone to take a franchise back from the dead out of single digit poly count

and don't get me started on how faggy samus' proportions and movement are now

>>385787286
Metroid has never been hard outside of Echoes and Fusion, if there was ever a non argument it would be this one.

I feel like the metroid fanbase tends to forget that even if metroid is nintendos most mature franchise (Arguably), their main demographic is still children. Children who have probably never played a metroid game before and who would get lost or die in the first five minutes of the game because they're fucking children.
Nintendo doesn't make games for you, because if only metroid fans bought metroid games, they'd sell worse than they already do.

>>385787091
>>385787061
when you completely break pacing just so you can masturbate to your waifu, you're not doing your game a service. Even a romhack could do the section better without feeling like some old man's fap fiction.

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>>385787574
Should've known it was ACfag.

>>385786901
True, but Metroid fans like to ignore that, just like Halo fans like to ignore how good Halo 5's mp and Forge is and would put the pile shit that is Halo Reach above that even though that Halo game was Other M tier bad and was made by Bungie, well nuBungie.

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>>385787286
nope, I'm not asking about how the player wants to experience the game or their opinions of it.
I want a gameplay only perspective. We are assuming this person has no bias and just want to play the game the way it was intended.
Go on I'll wait.

>>385787421
>>385787421
I mean, the way people are talking about metroid, you'd think it was the hardest game nintendo ever put out, but metroid games have always been kinda easy. As long as you stand in the right place and press the fire button 3 or 4 times, you win. It never had intricate and excessively difficult combat because the main point of the game was actually exploring, not fighting.

>>385787646
Reach and other M are good though.

>>385787662
>Why would anyone ever not use this mechanic?
>Here's a reason why.
>No that doesn't count.

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>>385787705
Metroid games have always increasingly handed out resources the lower your are on them, in Super Metroid there are enemy spawns that will indefinitely spawn enemies specifically for this reason.
I was unaware people played these games for difficult combat/platforming, I thought people played them for exploration.

>>385786964
I had no issue with the Zero Suit, I had an issue with the Zero Suit's shitty gameplay. It's okay the first time but when I have to repeat that shit every time I replay the game, it gets boring, fast.

>>385787783
>Reach and other M are good though.
Boy

>>385787314
It looks great though

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>>385787974
>He thinks 2.5D polygonal graphics are better than spritework

>>385787974
not compared to fusion, zm or sm

>>385787850
it's 2017, some people would like a little more challenge. I always considered Nintendo the family friendly company, which meant everyone could enjoy their games. When you make your game too easy, you're marketing it only to children regardless of the exterior, kind of like how Call of Duty claims to be mature for mature audiences, but their difficulty levels are lower than the stone foundation that they've mined to death for the series. So ironically they're just pandering to the children more.

>>385787662
If this is how people played games then everyone would be using stuff like the invincibility mode from the later 3d mario games and DKCR. If all you want is to "Win" then sure you would use everything available, but you're trying to have a good time. If you don't like using this one mechanic, then you stop using it because you have more fun when you don't. And if the game is harder, then good! That's just more of a challenge you were probably looking for anyways.

>>385787951
No other arguments?

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>>385788173
>Game has to be hard to be good

>>385788173
Then play hard mode. Or if that still isn't good enough for your elitist ass, buy the amiibo. Or just play something else because a really difficult metroid game would actually kinda suck ass.

>>385788284
>>385788279
>difficulty is a bad thing

IE we want the Candy Crush audience.

>>385787974
It really does

>>385788206
Should there be?

>>385788370
Yes

>>385787837
you must have forgotten the original arguement let me help you retard:

>if you don't like this feature don't use it!
>okay well why wouldn't someone use it if it only helps them?
>because if they didn't use it the game would be harder! just like if you decided not to save in the game!
>okay so the only reason someone wouldn't use the feature is because they're choosing to make the game harder for no literal reason?
>exactly
>so then why would anyone in their right mind do that?
>(You)

Sorry, come back next thread with a less subjective argument and try one concreted in actual logic, you know the stuff the guy that built your computer used.

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>>385788358
>If a game is hard it's automatically good

>>385788358
Nice selective wording there. Nobody said difficulty was bad. We said that a lack of difficulty is not necessarily a bad thing. A challenge is nice, but it is not required to enjoy something.

>>385788493
nice joke post

>>385788453
>Making the game harder for no literal reason.
>So who in their right mind would do that.
If this thread is any proof, a lot of people actually.

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>want to get a new 2ds or 3ds
>my current 3ds (original 3ds xl) is perfectly fine and i cannot justify that purchase even a little
fuck lads

>>385788623
Why do enemies light up when they attack you?

>>385788453
>Complains about it being too easy
>Ok so don't use the thing that makes it easy
>Well yeah but why wouldn't I use it? That would just make the game harder.

>>385788493
Okay, and? That's a pretty good game. The Dark Souls audience could learn a thing or two.

>>385788515
A lack of difficulty is a bad thing, because at that point if the game is rolling over and giving you everything, you might as well watch a let's play. Can you say the feeling of exploration is gratifying when you didn't earn your way to the rewards?

>>385788358
Someone never played Halo 2 on Legendary.

>>385788623
This is giving people a bad idea about the game. This guy is obviously trying to show off the parry feature and isn't just shooting at enemies even when it would be way easier. But it makes it seem like the parry is all there is.

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>>385788707
>Telegraphing attacks is a bad thing

>>385788664
I just bought a 2ds yesterday
I simply can’t justify spending 230$ on a handheld
On the other hand, METROID, POKÉMON, FIRE EMBLEM AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

>>385788904
>Nutroid
>Nukemon
>Nu Emblem
Oh boy what a library.

>>385788761
If I figured out where to go and how to get there? Yeah, it is still gratifying. It was just as satisfying in super metroid exploring areas where the enemies died in one shot as it was in areas where they took 5. They don't pose a real challenge because you have so much health and so much firepower, so their only purpose is to slow you down.

>>385788409
Okay, they both suck

>>385788870
I don't think it's bad I just thought it was weird. Do they do this in other Metroid games? If so I just played ZM and Fusion back to back without noticing it.

I honestly wanna know, how many times did you die to regular enemies in super metroid. Not bosses, not minibosses, just regular ass enemies. Because I died, maybe twice to them? If that?

>>385788626
right and another small group will do morphball only runs, and some will do no save only runs, and some will do no missle runs.

you've still failed to explain why the average player would do any of this on their first (which is usually the only) play through, as opposed to using the features given to them in the game.

I've yet to hear a single reason except:
>they dun wanna!
>anecdotes!
see ya next thread when someone else calls out your stupid argument.

>>385788948
He obviously meant to say SMT and Etrian Odyssey, anon.

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>>385789039
Recently played the game for the first time and I only died once to the Ridley fight in Norfair.

>>385788989
Usually it would just be a sound effect and either stopping animation, or a quick animation.

>>385788712
argument isn't easy vs hard, I could just blindfold myself and tie one arm behind my back and make any game extremely hard.

I think you're having trouble keeping up with the different arguments on this thread buddy.

>>385788989
No, it's to indicate that you can melee counter them.

>>385789052
>Acting like the difference in difficulty for a no save run would be anywhere near the difference of just not using the counter all the time.

Yeah sure dude.

>>385789039
Maybe once after a boss fight when I was low on health?

>>385789039
Lost count. It was a lot.

>>385788953
Figuring out where to go is one thing, but getting there in one piece is another.

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>>385789182
>melee counter
>People are still defending this